Timeline on Zimmerman

[nadinbrzezinski]

Did cops change report? (There are valid reasons, but god the questions)

So we have a scene bloody photo taken by bystander on iPhone. But the police report has dispatch and arrival time as this happened and at the same time? People dispatch and arrival times in an E-911 system are automated...so did anybody frack with a police report? It is within the three minutes witness A took that photo with an iPhone. The same minutes the arriving officer was already on scene.

I don't know how many of you have been at an actual crime scene, but cops usually do not let somebody take a close up photo of a scene...why newsies carry telephotos. Take my word, an iPhone does not have one.

In fact, I'd better carry the zoom today.

Don't you love questions? I sure hope the prosecutor asks that question.

Oh and we're not in the dark ages were we did not use computers, let alone care for silly shit like response times and times on scene.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. That did not surprise me

But that photo...let's assume no photoshop...it violates crime scene management or the police report has issues with time.

[kctim]

3. If the police notified

on scene as they were pulling up to the scene of the crime, as is normally done, there was plenty of time to take a pic with a phone before direct contact with police.

Enforcement of 'no photos' at a crime scene is mainly applied to the victim, which in this case would have been the dead body of Martin.

You also have to verify phone and 911 recorder are in sync with each other.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Encorcement of no photos

in a homicide case is done on all involved... at least where I live and where I worked, two countries.

As to arrival it is a button cop, or EMS presses on the console, that is fully automated. Dispatch no longer has anything to do with it.

Radio code to dispatch is just to let everybody in the 'net know you are on scene.

As I said, there is a reason I carry a 50-300 tele... and there is a reason why other journalists carry it. Also you want to PRESERVE your scene integrity, which means you do not let any tom or harry step on it, remember that tape, crime scene tape, they did NOT use per witnesses, and were supposed to? I mean that tape is like standard.

It's been already established that SPD did a bang up job of NOT following procedure... just one more little piece of it.

Oh and as to photographing victims, that is a cultural thing really...

[kctim]

7. Wasn't saying SPD didn't mess up

Just telling you that 'on scene' times are not always when contact is made with those involved.
Just telling you that photos not involving a dead body are not that big of a deal, especially when first arriving on scene.
Just telling you that the station equipment and the phone used must be in sync for your questions to validate further investigation.

I wasn't saying you were wrong, just that there is more to it than just timestamps.

I have no idea why they didn't cordone off the scene of a shooting, I would have.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. As a former emergency responder I know there is more to time stamps

but the police record was fracked with, or damn it they were right there. You do have, rarely, same dispatch and arrival times on a report. They are so rare that they jump at people. In my ten years of EMS work I had ONE... only because the major wreck happened in front of the rescue squad and two ambulances as we were fueling at the gas station. Crew went to victims while drivers finished fueling.

So yes, our report of accident, dispatch and arrival were the same.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

6. The 911 tapes --

can help tell that story. Several witnesses were on with operators reporting seeing a flashlight almost right after the shot -- doesn't sound like there was a heck of a lot of time for someone to step in and take shots before the first office to respond was on scene.

[kctim]

14. Now that is a good point

If I had to guess, I would say that pic was taken while the officers were surveying the scene or was taken by an officer.

But, just as with 99% of this case so far, that is only a guess.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

5. That jumped out at me too -

There should have been no way anyone was taking a picture of Zimmerman's head if there were cops on the scene. Could the shot have been from an officer's iPhonee? I have personally seen that happen here with the SFPD.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. If they are police issued

SDPD carries better cameras at all times.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. I was kind of shocked --

to see the SFPD pull out an iPhone to take evidence shots -- there was an incident at the crack house across the street from me one evening and saw it happening.

I think the 911 tapes/time line can answer a lot about how much time there was for anyone else to be taking shots of Zimmerman.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. They will be primary in creating a time line

but things like this will jump. If the photo was taken by a cop... no issue in what I raised, except it should not be released, as all material was sealed. If it was taken by witness A... that is a problem

[cr8tvlde]

12. Other than the obvious Balding Head...which Zimmerman's is not ...

what also struck me was the clothing ... the collar is clean/new in perfect order, no grass stains, certainly no blood. Hard to imagine the individual in the photo has just been through a sprinting pursuit, life-threatening assault, a struggle in the grass, and is calmly seated, bowed his head, and allowed someone (even a cop) to photograph it...besides, the blood has clearly been smudged at the top. All while being witnessed by 6 people.

Third attempt for a one-frame "enhanced" injury, weeks later, I don't think so.

As to the Police Report, somehow the original summoned the SA and the Police Chief to a meeting that night. Perhaps a bit biased?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. The balding head is the flash effect.

But ths adds more to the at the very least keystone cop imitation.