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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:50 PM Nov 2014

Man charged with breaking a trooper’s fist with his face



http://thinksquad.tumblr.com/post/103207592381/laliberty-man-charged-with-breaking-a-troopers

A motorist was viciously beaten, tasered, and maced repeatedly, then charged with 24 separate crimes and maliciously prosecuted for every one of them. He was beaten four (4) times over the course of 11-hours, and not once had he acted maliciously. The incident stemmed from his driving while on an unusually high dosage of legally-prescribed bipolar medication and a subsequent fender bender. Dash-cam footage revealed the extraordinary exaggerations made about the case — 2 years after it took place.

The Traffic Stop
Around 8:20 p.m. on March 8th, 2010, police received a 9-1-1 call regarding a car that had failed to stop after a minor traffic collision. The accident resulted in no injuries and no damage, but one of the drivers did not stop to exchange information. Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) dispatched troopers to investigate this alleged hit-and-run.

A car driven by Robert Leone, 31 at the time, matched the basic description of the car in question. Mr. Leone was driving just across the Pennsylvania border from his home in Vestal, NY. He had just finished star gazing at the Kopernick Observatory and Science Center and decided to go for a ride in the country while listening to his favorite music. He had consumed no alcohol or illegal substances, but it seems that his decision-making abilities may have been affected by his legally-prescribed medication used to treat his bipolar disorder.

PSP attempted to pull over Mr. Leone, who was traveling at a speed significantly UNDER the posted speed limit — 10 to 30 mph under. Leone stated at first he did not think the trooper was trying to stop him as he believed that he had done nothing wrong prior to the encounter. Police dash-cam video clearly showed Mr. Leone driving very slowly and in a very controlled manner. The only vehicles ever seen crossing the center line or driving erratically were the state police cars that were involved in this low speed following — contrary to sworn statements later given by the troopers.

The five marked cruisers following Mr. Leone could have easily boxed in Mr. Leone at low speed and caused him to stop. Instead, the troopers deployed stop-sticks and rammed his vehicle. A “PIT maneuver” was used to smash Leone into a rock wall, while still at low speed.

Once his car was immobilized, the senior trooper on scene, Corporal Roger Stipcak, stood on top of Mr. Leone’s hood and ordered him out of his car while aiming a taser at him. Mr. Leone COULD NOT comply with the trooper’s order because a state police car was intentionally blocking Leone’s driver-side door.

Mr. Leone was then tasered through his open sunroof and forcibly dragged to the ground through the passenger-side door and beaten by fellow troopers. The senior trooper who was standing on the hood of Leone’s car was then seen jumping directly onto Leone’s back from the hood of the car.

“You’ve got a long f***ing night ahead,” the officer menaced. “Do ya hear me?? Do ya f***ing hear me?!”

This was but the first threat of many Mr. Leone was going to receive over the next 11 hours. It was also the mildest. At no time was Leone videoed resisting or attempting to strike the officers.

After his first beating he was handcuffed and questioned. At that point Leone was arrested and placed in the back of a patrol car. Without advising Mr. Leone of his constitutional rights he was questioned a second time and responded with respectful answers of “yes sir,” and “no sir.”

During the questioning, the trooper accused Leone of intentionally spitting in the trooper’s face and used that alleged behavior as a reason to beat Mr. Leone — who was still handcuffed. The trooper then hog-tied the victim.

“Who do you think you’re messing with?” one officer challenged. “We’re the Pennsylvania State Police… it’s not just some chumps.”

After analyzing the audio portion of the dash-cam it appears that the trooper fabricated the spitting incident in order to justify the beating, even though spitting does not allow an officer to beat a prisoner.

An ambulance had initially been called to transport Mr. Leone, who had suffered multiple injuries. Instead, the trooper who had broken his hand while punching Leone received medical attention, and Mr. Leone — who was handcuffed and hog-tied — was transported to the hospital in the back of a patrol car.

Beaten Again in the Hospital
Robert Leone was still hog-tied when he was brought into the Towanda Hospital; a fact documented in his medical records. Mr. Leone attempted to quietly tell the attending nurse what happened to him and begged her for help.

Unfortunately for him, one of the troopers overheard his plea. The exam room was ordered cleared of all medical personnel and a third round of beatings and taserings occurred while Mr. Leone was handcuffed to his gurney.

Police alleged that Leone “reached” at an officer — all the justification they needed for beating him with batons and using tasers multiple times.

The trooper later admitted at Leone’s trial that he was never hit by the defendant. But that did not stop Mr. Leone from being found guilty of assault for what took place in that room.

Mr Leone was discharged from the Towanda General Hospital in worse condition than he had arrived in.

Beaten Again at Police Barracks
After his treatment at the hospital, Mr. Leone was taken to the PSP Barracks Towanda for processing. While at the barracks, an arraignment was set up with an on-call judge who was located remotely and used a video-feed to connect with the police.

Mr. Leone was instructed not to look into the video camera during this arraignment and to only answer questions that he was asked. As soon as the video link was established, Mr. Leone looked directly into the camera and begged the judge for help. The trooper immediately disconnected the video link, claiming that a malfunction had occurred. With no cameras recording, Mr. Leone was severely beaten for a third time.

Beaten Again During Transport
While at the barracks, Leone stated that troopers told him that they could make it look like he committed suicide while in custody or they could throw him off of a bridge and state that somehow he got the rear door of the patrol car open and then jumped off of the bridge himself.

The prisoner was so sure the troopers were going to kill him that night, he tried to shuffle away when he was being escorted to the patrol car for transportation to the county jail, even though he was handcuffed and his feet were shackled.

His pathetic escape attempt gave police an opportunity to beat him once again, and this time douse him with pepper spray. His injuries were so severe at that point that he wasunconscious when he was delivered to the hospital for his second evaluation.

According to the hospital report, all of the injuries on Mr. Leone’s body were on his back and none were frontal, indicating that his injuries were not caused while being subdued because of any aggressive behavior. Apparently, the hospital staff themselves were so fearful of these troopers that they released Mr. Leone back into police custody only 26 minutes later — without treatment and while Mr. Leone was still semi-conscious. Mr Leone’s vital signs at this point showed him to be in serious physical distress.

Arrival in Jail
Mr. Leone was transported via patrol car in a semi-conscious state to the Bradford County Correctional Facility. He was received in such poor condition that the jail called their on-call staff physician to the jail to evaluate Mr. Leone.

“They put him on the phone and he starts screaming that he has been beaten within an inch of his life,” Robert’s mother, Joan Leone told WBNG. “They tried to kill him through the night. He has been threatened that they are going to kill him and make it look like a suicide or an accident.”

Numerous pictures of Leone’s injuries were taken by the prison staff in order to defend the prison — should it later be accused of mishandling the already-ravaged prisoner. (Subsequently, when the photographs were requested, the prison claimed that these pictures do not exist.)

A prison guard [name withheld] who befriended Leone told him that the jail administrators were lying because the guard saw the pictures for himself. The picture featured in this article is a copy of the actual booking photo taken by the prison.

Mr. Leone laid in a jail cell for days without proper treatment and probably should have died from his injuries. The prison would not release any information to Mr. Leone’s family about his condition for over 5 days. His family was not allowed to speak to him in person or on the phone nor would the prison allow any other visitors or legal counsel to visit him.

Since Robert Leone could not pay his outrageous $250,000.00 bail, he remained incarcerated for six months until his trial. While he languished in jail, he was denied any additional medical treatment — particularly for his head injuries — even though he had excellent private heath insurance to pay for it if necessary.

“The corruption in PA is so widespread that they’re going to keep him in for four years. Because they have no intention of letting him out because he’s going to be speaking about what’s happened to him,”Joan Leone said.

Railroaded With Charges
Robert Leone’s traumatic physical experience was followed by being charged with twenty-four (24) separate crimes: aggravated assault; driving while under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance; escape; simple assault; reckless endangering another person; resisting arrest; fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer; disorderly conduct; failure to stop at the scene of an accident; harassment; failure to provide the proper information following an accident; and failure to notify the authorities after an accident had occurred.

To go with his black eye and brutal beating,Mr. Leone was literally charged with breaking a trooper’s fist with his face— “aggravated assault” on a police officer. The 2 dozen charges included four serious felonies for which he could feasibly be spending the rest of his natural life in prison.

It appears that the cover-up of Leone’s beatings became so important that the Bradford County District Attorney personally took up the task of prosecuting the case. Despite having dash-cam video evidence in his possession — the same dash-cam video of which I made a documentary — DA Daniel Barrett attempted to prosecute all 24 counts against Robert Leone.


There's more: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/robert-leone/


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Man charged with breaking a trooper’s fist with his face (Original Post) MrScorpio Nov 2014 OP
Funny that throughout all of this there wasn't a single officer RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #1
That always kills me when the cop apologists show up. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #29
yeah - and an "isolated incident" nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #40
I'm glad you posted this. Yes, that is both striking and somewhat predictable 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #31
Such a travesty. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #41
I guess the whole damned bunch has started to spoil. paper boy Nov 2014 #46
Actually that's true. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #51
There's no selection bias when you're looking at an entire department RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #53
We're both right. Therein lies the challenge. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #54
Yes, a very hard job, filled with danger. Lancero Nov 2014 #69
You rely too much on internet coverage for your view of police. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #70
If their was someone good at that department... Lancero Nov 2014 #71
THAT department should be abolished and reconstituted, absolutely. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #83
Welll now! Feral Child Nov 2014 #81
I would amend you last sentence: allow and encourage them to act like scum... yurbud Nov 2014 #72
Taking a fraction of a second too long to follow orders Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #79
On cue. Feral Child Nov 2014 #80
There once was a time..... daleanime Nov 2014 #2
Exactly. "Adam 12" doesnt seem to exist anymore. 7962 Nov 2014 #61
Shit like this VScott Nov 2014 #3
Same d_b Nov 2014 #4
It's enough to push me to jury nullifcation every time no matter what MohRokTah Nov 2014 #8
They're trained to lie under oath. (NT) The Wizard Nov 2014 #12
No. The police should NOT police themselves. They should go before a civilian review board on 1monster Nov 2014 #23
Until one current cop comes out critical of Darren Wilson MohRokTah Nov 2014 #30
BINGO!!!!! valerief Nov 2014 #26
wtff? mopinko Nov 2014 #5
True hero's. nt Logical Nov 2014 #6
No cop is worth my respect, let alone my trust. MohRokTah Nov 2014 #7
+1 RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #10
Former cop is the author of the story. Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #17
Why do you think they are called "pigs" walkingman Nov 2014 #42
Personally I think that term is strong enough. olegramps Nov 2014 #60
Thanks for posting Gothmog Nov 2014 #9
Where was the ACLU? Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #11
domestic terrorism (NT) The Wizard Nov 2014 #13
Pieces of filth like this are the reason we don't trust cops. EEO Nov 2014 #14
If you can stomach it, here's the dashcam video and Larry Hohol's commentary on the case. bluesbassman Nov 2014 #15
Horrible, and disgusting. I'm completely outraged riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #25
wow angrychair Nov 2014 #16
if there wasnt video i wouldnt belive this rafeh1 Nov 2014 #18
I used to think that. F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #43
droog cops 0rganism Nov 2014 #19
"Well well well well!" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #34
It was so fitting and appropriate that those two became cops. nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2014 #62
Monstrous. Unforgivable. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2014 #20
The difference between the Pennsylvania State Police and the Geheime Staatspolizei? liberaltrucker Nov 2014 #21
The world would be a better place without these pigs occupying it. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #22
Tort lawyers all over PA will be salivating over this. Brigid Nov 2014 #24
No justice whatsoever sakabatou Nov 2014 #27
Absolutely disgusting. TxDemChem Nov 2014 #28
something like that helpmetohelpyou Nov 2014 #38
Disgusting and angering Veilex Nov 2014 #32
Who does something like this? How does one Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #33
"I think I'll watch the star show at the observatory, and then drive out in the country with my moon NBachers Nov 2014 #35
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2014 #36
No words. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2014 #37
So where is Robert Leone today? ReRe Nov 2014 #39
I Googled Robert Leone and found among other things this a FB page dedicated to him azurnoir Nov 2014 #48
Googled this, but can't find anything on Ilsa Nov 2014 #44
It leaves me bewildered old man 76 Nov 2014 #45
That's a consistent issue with conservatives, in my experience. RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #49
this sounds horrible and a complete travesty. that said I really dislike the way this is written cali Nov 2014 #47
Do you have a link to a better article? RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #50
I do not find this credible bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #52
Sorry to break it to you... MrScorpio Nov 2014 #56
I guess you didn't read my post bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #59
I would recommend you fully watch the video and pay particular attention go west young man Nov 2014 #75
This is almost 5 years old - gets posted every few months since then. maced666 Nov 2014 #55
If you're looking for something a little more current, here you go: MrScorpio Nov 2014 #57
Your point? bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #63
First Time I've Seen This otohara Nov 2014 #66
Me too. I don't remember ever seeing this. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2014 #67
Yeah if only the victims would stop resisting and just lay down and die, we wouldn't hear about it. Rex Nov 2014 #73
Oh well, if it's just a few bad apples from five years ago. Savannahmann Nov 2014 #85
:( sad kick&rec BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #58
This reminds me of the time cntrygrl Nov 2014 #64
Every time I think it couldn't get any worse.... PatSeg Nov 2014 #65
Granted it was 5 years ago, but what puzzles me is what hedgehog Nov 2014 #68
police heaven05 Nov 2014 #74
Flame me all you want but we live in a police state. Yes I Lint Head Nov 2014 #76
We absolutely live in a police state. woo me with science Nov 2014 #84
Criminal Injustice System, and the Courts protect their own. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #77
Evil fuckers! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #78
K&R...Thanks for posting, MrScorpio red dog 1 Nov 2014 #82
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #86
Wonder if Innocence project would take this? Their website says no DUI cases but this isnt really a stevenleser Nov 2014 #87

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
1. Funny that throughout all of this there wasn't a single officer
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:56 PM
Nov 2014

who wasn't a bad apple to put an end to this attempted fucking murder.


Good think they're really just outliers though and this doesn't happen often.. right???

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
29. That always kills me when the cop apologists show up.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:12 PM
Nov 2014

They swear up and down it is just a few bad apples.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
31. I'm glad you posted this. Yes, that is both striking and somewhat predictable
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:14 PM
Nov 2014

...how many cops were involved in this horrid criminal behavior, and NOT ONE OF THEM
came forward to tell the truth about what happened.

As I've posted elsewhere, I'll begin to believe there are good cops when they
stop covering up this shit, and start turning in the baddest apples.

I'm still waiting.

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
41. Such a travesty.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:15 AM
Nov 2014

I hate pigs. They need to rip down tje national leo memorial in DC and replace it with a monument to police brutality victims.

 

paper boy

(52 posts)
46. I guess the whole damned bunch has started to spoil.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:22 AM
Nov 2014

So I guess we better give them some more surplus armored personnel carriers and machine guns.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
51. Actually that's true.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:33 AM
Nov 2014

Just because the internet selects for outrageous behavior doesn't mean it's commonplace.

That's called a selection bias.

Police are people. Treat them like scum, and you'll simply perpetrate a self-fulfilling prophecy.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
53. There's no selection bias when you're looking at an entire department
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:38 AM
Nov 2014

that failed to do anything about a blatant attempted murder.

This is consistently the case when it comes to police brutality. Not every officer may be an active participant, but you can be damn sure almost everyone is going to try to cover it up, justify, or excuse it.

You're absolutely right they're people. That's exactly why they need to be held to a higher standard. Too often people act like they're above reproach simply because they have a tough job.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
54. We're both right. Therein lies the challenge.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:42 AM
Nov 2014

We need police, their job is hard, and they use both facts to get away with horrors.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
69. Yes, a very hard job, filled with danger.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

I mean, look at the poor cop who busted his hand while trying to beat a man to death.

We need police, I can agree on that. Sadly, we don't have police - We just have monsters wearing finely tailored people-suits.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
70. You rely too much on internet coverage for your view of police.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:58 PM
Nov 2014

To say what you just said, you have to believe that there are no violent criminals who don't wear badges.

The fact is, most of them don't. Most criminals don't wear suits or badges. You are very privileged if you are able to believe otherwise.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
71. If their was someone good at that department...
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:59 PM
Nov 2014

Why did no officers speak out, or try to prevent what happened?

I'd be saying diffrient if a police officer attempted to prevent this savage beating, but none of them did.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
83. THAT department should be abolished and reconstituted, absolutely.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:14 AM
Nov 2014

But the context changes when you talk about police in general.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
72. I would amend you last sentence: allow and encourage them to act like scum...
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:52 PM
Nov 2014

and eventually, that's what the job will start to attract.

I don't think this stuff is true of all cops, but it's enough that people should be concerned, and if they are black, they should be taping every interaction with cops.

 
79. Taking a fraction of a second too long to follow orders
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:48 PM
Nov 2014

Is not treating them like scum.

When the cops proceed to beat and taze you for "resisting arrest" THEY are the scum.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
80. On cue.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:55 PM
Nov 2014

The first Apologist arrives and tries to deflect discussion into a side issue.

I'm not concerned with the reason this article was printed. What concerns me is that the article appears to be valid and that this victim, who already suffers fom a recognized mental illness, now also suffers from PTSD and whatever lingering effects of trauma that severe inevitably leaves.

You're more about agenda than compassion and that certainly labels you.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
8. It's enough to push me to jury nullifcation every time no matter what
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:23 PM
Nov 2014

Until they can police themselves, I cannot trust a word any of them say.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
23. No. The police should NOT police themselves. They should go before a civilian review board on
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:20 PM
Nov 2014

all brutality and leathal force cases; hopefully one that has not been corrupted too.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
30. Until one current cop comes out critical of Darren Wilson
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:14 PM
Nov 2014

Every last one of them are murderous bastards that must be shunned.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
7. No cop is worth my respect, let alone my trust.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:22 PM
Nov 2014

They don't police their own, how can they police the rest of us?

Criminals all, they just have the power of the state and badges to keep from being prosecuted as the criminals they are.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
10. +1
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:27 PM
Nov 2014

I concede that there may be individual cops who, incidentally, have my respect. But that's not because they're cops.. it's in spite of that fact. Would likely lose respect for those individuals if I knew what they were up to on a daily basis with their interactions with the public.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
60. Personally I think that term is strong enough.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 10:53 AM
Nov 2014

They are cancerous vermin and a plague. I can't help from wondering just what type of scum wants to be associated with these jackals.

bluesbassman

(19,373 posts)
15. If you can stomach it, here's the dashcam video and Larry Hohol's commentary on the case.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:03 PM
Nov 2014

Absolutely a fucking outrage.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
43. I used to think that.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:48 AM
Nov 2014

Sadly, I don't anymore. I've pretty much accepted that I will never trust a police officer's testimony again.

liberaltrucker

(9,129 posts)
21. The difference between the Pennsylvania State Police and the Geheime Staatspolizei?
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:15 PM
Nov 2014

The Gestapo had nicer uniforms.

/Fucking pigs

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
33. Who does something like this? How does one
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:36 PM
Nov 2014

live with themselves knowing they caused somebody do much pain? I just can't fathom how stuff like this happens.

NBachers

(17,110 posts)
35. "I think I'll watch the star show at the observatory, and then drive out in the country with my moon
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:41 PM
Nov 2014

roof open and some music playing."

The poor guy had no idea of the brutal torture hell that would rain down upon him during his innocent night out.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
39. So where is Robert Leone today?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:09 AM
Nov 2014

And are those State Cops still loosed on the people of Pennsylvania? I was so maddened while reading and listening to the video, I don't remember any of the trooper's names being mentioned.

Robert Leone looks allot like one of my boys. Let me tell you, if Robert Leone was my son, I would either be in prison right now or dead as a doornail. The mug shot tears my heart out.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
44. Googled this, but can't find anything on
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:13 AM
Nov 2014

the police brutality trial, just other media picking up the story. Can anyone determine the if there's been a trial yet?

old man 76

(228 posts)
45. It leaves me bewildered
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:15 AM
Nov 2014

A lot of the good conservative people feel police are the great protectors of society. That notion prevails until they are on the receiving end of the law. Funny how quick that notion changes.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
49. That's a consistent issue with conservatives, in my experience.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:25 AM
Nov 2014

Their lack of empathy prevents them from understanding that social problems are social problems until they're directly impacted in some way.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
47. this sounds horrible and a complete travesty. that said I really dislike the way this is written
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:27 AM
Nov 2014

and adderall which is the medication found, should never be used to treat bi-polar disorder. It can cause terrible mania.
not saying it wasn't legally prescribed.

I went and read better articles about this. I hope Mr. Leone prevails. Still don't like the article in the op.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
50. Do you have a link to a better article?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:28 AM
Nov 2014

I didn't particularly like the one in the OP either. Would like to share something a bit more credible.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
52. I do not find this credible
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:37 AM
Nov 2014

For one thing, the incident in which one of the troopers broke his hand - which one must assume from the story resulted from punching the man in the face, since it says that man was charged with breaking troopers hand with his face - occurs before the hospitalization which gave a report that "all the injuries were on his back." For another, I find it near impossible to believe that all the staff at the hospital behaved in such an unethical manner without objection - or calling someone, or going to the press, or filing some kind of report - in both instances.

I am not defending the police. We know from stories practically every day that they routinely violate rights, fabricate evidence, lie, commit abuses - crimes - of every sort up to and including what would be called torture and murder did anyone else do it. They are out of control and I simply would not believe a word they said without objective proof. That incidences like those of Abner Louima and Eric Garner happen and then just disappear into the background - and nothing changes - tells us everything we need to know about the police and the power structure in this country. And I think it quite possible that some version of the above account occurred.

I could be wrong - goddess knows, what we know for sure goes on is unbelievable - but I just don't find the account above believable as written.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
59. I guess you didn't read my post
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 10:27 AM
Nov 2014

I am quite aware that not only do "people like this exist" but - to me more importantly - systems exist that not only enable but encourage such behaviors. And on a larger scale, I maintain that anyone who has "power over" will inevitably abuse that power. Nor is there the political will or sufficient public awareness (most people are not news junkies like so many of us here) to enact the necessary changes to at the least put effective accountability measures in place.

And in no way did anything I wrote indicate some sort of naivete about or any sort of defense of the culture and behavior of the police. Although irrelevant to my critique, I also live only a few miles from the location of this story - and have no illusions that our police forces are any better than anywhere else. It was not that many years ago that there was a huge scandal about the State Police in this part of the world fabricating evidence. Among other instances that have been reported and that I know of anecdotally.

But that does not mean that we should suspend all critical thinking or analysis. I do not find this particular account credible as written.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
75. I would recommend you fully watch the video and pay particular attention
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:20 PM
Nov 2014

after the 12:45 mark to what is going on in the back of that cop car.

#t=1079
 

maced666

(771 posts)
55. This is almost 5 years old - gets posted every few months since then.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:43 AM
Nov 2014

Oldie but a goodie. Whenever you need to do some police bashing, over the last 5 years at least, you can count on seeing this posted.
And around and around we go, same stories, same responses condemning all police.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
63. Your point?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:14 PM
Nov 2014

Whatever the merits of this particular account, no one has to look very far to find examples of egregious violations of individuals' rights, their own codes of conduct, and out and out crimes committed by the police.

No one "needs" to do any "police bashing." All one has to do is read and post the news practically daily.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
73. Yeah if only the victims would stop resisting and just lay down and die, we wouldn't hear about it.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

Nice try but total fail.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
85. Oh well, if it's just a few bad apples from five years ago.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:54 AM
Nov 2014

Then let's talk about what's going on just this week shall we?

Former Deputy indicted in the death of his wife. It seems the investigating officer modified, changed, and amended the witness statements to support the conclusion of suicide. So a cop, lied to cover up a murder committed by another cop? Wow, what are the chances that two bad apples would both be involved in the same case? I mean, talk about astronomical right?

A police officer pulled over a school bus. Why you might ask? Well his son was on board and had forgotten his lunch. So the cop pulled the bus over to give his child the lunch. Why this is being investigated? Well the school bus was outside of the jurisdiction of the officer. Like that is the biggest problem with this story.

While the department was running a campaign to end Domestic Violence, one would assume it would include training to the officers for how to recognize and prevent it. An officer apparently threw a beating on his wife.

A officer was convicted of using a stun gun on a suspect who was handcuffed.

I could go on, and on, and on. These are not a years worth of events, nor even a months. This is a fraction of the events reported on one day, one day, on this site.

There are more, a dozen a week, sometimes more, rarely less, every single week. Event after event. Incident after incident. Lies, brutality, obfuscation, entitled mentality. The police departments would rather eat a raw turd than tell you the truth about how corrupt the cops are.

Video recordings are making more likely that the cops will be caught, but those events are still only a fraction, not even a significant fraction of the misconduct and wrong doing that is happening every single day.

So am I just bashing the police? Look at that site. 196 pages. Each with at least fifty links. Police shoot bankrobbers, and the hostage. Oh well, they have a tough job. The cops fired three hundred rounds. At what point does it become ludacris overkill? Or is excessive force only a problem if the victim survives?

The cops are not your friends. They are at least as dangerous, and in my opinion far more criminal than the people they arrest.

cntrygrl

(356 posts)
64. This reminds me of the time
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:16 PM
Nov 2014


the city police in a town in Indiana attacked me while I was leaving a bar to walk to my car. They threw me in to the back seat of the patrol car, one officer got in with me, cuffed me and began beating me with his bully club. All the while telling me "so you are a lesbo? I'll show you what we think of your kind. I ram this (bully club) up your ass and show you," Luckily he didn't carry out his threat and when they booked me in the city jail the report said I was DUI and resisted arrest. During the 60s gays were treated much worse in NY. I witnessed it myself. Give some people a badge and they think they are god. It makes me so sick. I'm in my mid-60s now and thankfully my wife and I are not being harassed but we always watch our backs and here in FL we carry protection where ever we go. It's frightening. I wish Mr Leone luck but it doesn't sound like he will have a fair chance. Can't someone help him? Who can we contact? I would like to know.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention, MrScorpio!

PatSeg

(47,468 posts)
65. Every time I think it couldn't get any worse....
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:23 PM
Nov 2014

If I saw this in a movie, I'd think it was over-the-top.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
68. Granted it was 5 years ago, but what puzzles me is what
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:26 PM
Nov 2014

trigger/excuse there was for this behavior? Was it all solely based on the fact that he didn't stop for the police cars, and was therefore defying their authority?


Edited to add - I don't think the victim did anything wrong, just wondering how he became the chosen target even before he was stopped.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
74. police
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:18 PM
Nov 2014

are out of control. There is something going on with all this out of bounds police behavior, nationwide. It seems there has been some kind of message nationwide, to fuck up as many people as possible.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
76. Flame me all you want but we live in a police state. Yes I
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:37 PM
Nov 2014

know what a police state is. This is the modern version. The new model for brutal power in the name of service to the people. If it's just a few bad apples then why do the "good apples" just stand around and let it happen? Are cops too cowardly to defend a citizen against unconstitutional beatings or outright assault and battery by one of their own? I know some policemen who would have and have personally and privately told me they can hardly wait to be put in that situation. As to have a video of them protecting a citizen against this travesty.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
87. Wonder if Innocence project would take this? Their website says no DUI cases but this isnt really a
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:34 PM
Nov 2014

DUI case.

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