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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNate Silver is beginning to hedge.
If youre a regular reader of FiveThirtyEight youll know that our Senate forecast has said pretty much the same thing every day. When we officially launched our model in early September, it gave Republicans a 64 percent chance of winning a majority in the Senate. Today, the number is similar: 63 percent.
Republicans odds have never been higher than 66 percent a figure they reached late last week or lower than 53 percent. The informal model updates we published going as far back as March also had Republicans as 55 or 60 percent favorites.
To an extent, this stability reflects the noise-reducing features of the FiveThirtyEight model. Our program examines the polls for signs of statistical bias, and weighs them more heavily when they have larger sample sizes, better methodologies and better track records which can reduce the impact of outliers. The FiveThirtyEight model is also fairly conservative in estimating the uncertainty associated with each race and the disposition of the Senate overall. At times in the past, the polls in most swing states have been biased in the same direction (either toward Democrats or Republicans).
But this degree of stability is unusual. In pretty much every election weve covered, the polls have more clearly broken toward one or another party by this point.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/senate-update-the-republican-advantage-is-consistent-but-not-decisive/
unblock
(52,317 posts)i don't think 538's model really factors in the possibility the some nationwide event could influence many elections at once.
if each race is independent, then it would be quite a feat for several elections to all go in the democrats' favor. but if they are correlated, it's wouldn't be nearly as much of a surprise, as a single event could sway several elections our way.
for this reason, i think the 63% number seems to overstate the odds of a republican win overall. they may have more than 50%, but their chance might be a lot closer to, say, 54% if the model took this into account.
Cha
(297,618 posts)"The bottom line to remember is this: No one not Nate Silver, not Sam Wang and certainly not me can tell you with any great confidence at this point who is going to control the Senate in three weeks. Given the statistical uncertainty in the polling data, the closeness of several races and the possibility that unforeseen events can shift a small but decisive number of voters decisions, it would be foolish to suggest otherwise."
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/opinion-blog/2014/10/10/neither-nate-silver-nor-sam-wang-can-be-sure-of-2014-senate-predictions
Logical
(22,457 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)...his strange spat with whatever-that-other-polling-site-is puts a chink in his armor for me. I admit I want him to be wrong this time around when he has been saying that the GOP will take the Senate.
But I'm starting to think some of his magic is revealing itself to be what magic always is -part illusion. He may be as flawed as anyone and I'm prepared for that even as I'm prepared for him to be right.
And for someone who buoyed our hopes last time, it's a little odd that he has chosen to commit more fully to something as useless as sports statistics.
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Logical
(22,457 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)But the GOP votes.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)ALL the more reason to make sure that we all vote and drag folks, KICKING AND SCREAMING if you have to, to the polls.
Logical
(22,457 posts)brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Bottom line is that the result is going to be close, and could go either way. All Wang and Silver are doing is applying some different principles in their models.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)up for that with brevity, as he's done so few of them thus far in his career. 2010, underestimated GOP wins in the House by 9 seats, he was wrong about 3 in the Senate out of 37 seats up. 2012 he was correct in 31 out of 33 Senate States, in both cases he predicted for Republicans and Democrats won.
So he's done two, and been off by 2 or 3 each time.
Wounded Bear
(58,704 posts)A win in the east, say NC or GA, could influence late western votes in CO and AK.
I refuse to believe this is a slam dunk for the Pubbies.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)In fact, he's second to none. But there are other factors in play such as the voter suppression laws that remain intact. Readers may recall the miraculous 2002 midterm election when several states exhibited mysterious double-digit swings in polling overnight that handed the Senate to the Rs. Rs are slippery bastards that will stop at nothing to win.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)How true.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Unless you're arguing that Sam Wang is "hedging" as well...