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Ferguson flash mob interrupts St. Louis Symphony with Requiem for Michael Brown (Original Post) Skidmore Oct 2014 OP
Awesome! Suich Oct 2014 #1
Here is what some of the musicians thought JimDandy Oct 2014 #107
Go viral NOW! BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #2
Everyone Should Do This billhicks76 Oct 2014 #96
That is a most excellent idea BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #108
that is incredibly moving. BRAVO! cali Oct 2014 #3
Love it! Brigid Oct 2014 #4
A gentle disruption to create a bit of cognitive dissonance JimDandy Oct 2014 #89
I want to do this!!! duhneece Oct 2014 #105
Is this a "flash mob"? surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #5
All flash mobs are organized events. Skidmore Oct 2014 #6
What's the defining characteristic then? surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #10
Done suddenly - appears out of the blue - in a public place without warning gollygee Oct 2014 #17
Did someone say "He's a thug: at around :37? wheniwasincongress Oct 2014 #7
It appeared to me that some clapped in support; others remained clueless. freshwest Oct 2014 #28
yeah i heard that too... druidity33 Oct 2014 #50
The person filming is a female. JimDandy Oct 2014 #97
looks like they started clapping strawberries Oct 2014 #52
Yes, someone did say "he was a thug." No matter what one may think he was murdered in cold kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #103
kick Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #8
The shock on some of the faces malaise Oct 2014 #9
:O wheniwasincongress Oct 2014 #11
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahaha malaise Oct 2014 #13
She doesn't get Brahms, either. pangaia Oct 2014 #22
Lol! nt Euphoria Oct 2014 #32
The 'beauty' only goes skin deep with that one... Just sayin' freshwest Oct 2014 #26
Oh, the outrage! freshwest Oct 2014 #27
Brava! brava! rhett o rick Oct 2014 #12
that is so, so cool barbtries Oct 2014 #14
That was BEAUTIFUL! And for those who never heard the original: JaneyVee Oct 2014 #15
Yes, a song written by and for the very same people... theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #41
Wow. cwydro Oct 2014 #16
I loved this, too! Thanks, Skidmore! pnwmom Oct 2014 #18
bravo! hopemountain Oct 2014 #19
The expression on the face of the "uptown" looking white woman dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #20
The women in that audience are almost all 'uptown' white women. pangaia Oct 2014 #23
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #21
K&R marions ghost Oct 2014 #24
I'd have jumped up and clapped right away. Some of that audience needs a reality check. Great song. freshwest Oct 2014 #25
Well done! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #29
Orchestra was clapping! freshwest Oct 2014 #30
UNREC brooklynite Oct 2014 #31
It seemed to me no harm was done and some of the orchestra approved. nolabear Oct 2014 #33
I would have loved it ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #62
Exactly what I was thinking. panader0 Oct 2014 #81
yes, for a second there I thought one of them was going to sing along too. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #86
Yes! This was not an intrusion JimDandy Oct 2014 #78
If it was done at the intermission, hifiguy Oct 2014 #87
Never mind JimDandy Oct 2014 #98
My point was only that if it was at the intermission no one has hifiguy Oct 2014 #99
Seriously? Number23 Oct 2014 #35
Please enlighten me... brooklynite Oct 2014 #36
How do you know that they haven't or aren't going to? Number23 Oct 2014 #38
Never mind bringing any logic into this theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #39
Symphony tickets are NOT cheap. hifiguy Oct 2014 #76
Tickets to the StLS start at around 25-30 bucks theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #85
That is incorrect. R.Quinn Oct 2014 #104
These same protest organizers DID protest at a St Louis Cardinals game JimDandy Oct 2014 #69
These are the "upper crust", jen63 Oct 2014 #71
I'm sure those of us who enjoy classical music appreciate those comments, Jen theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #84
I would be upset at the symphony warrant46 Oct 2014 #95
I don't know -- a lot of them were clapping. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #106
Haven't you heard? theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #37
This. A thousand times this. hifiguy Oct 2014 #77
Oh... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #40
WOOHOO! RandiFan1290 Oct 2014 #51
Ahhh . . . you're on a progressive site brush Oct 2014 #59
I guess those that improve of this act of political speech ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #63
Your not so tacit disdain for the protesters Puglover Oct 2014 #70
Really? I thought it was pretty great! calimary Oct 2014 #82
LAUGHABLE noiretextatique Oct 2014 #83
I wouldn't have considered it an intrusion... truth2power Oct 2014 #100
that was awesome n/t riverwalker Oct 2014 #34
Wow! treestar Oct 2014 #42
Rude, annoying and counterproductive. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #43
no offense CatWoman Oct 2014 #44
None taken. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #46
Not as rude as getting shot in cold blood for no reason, and being left to rot whereisjustice Oct 2014 #45
I get things like the lunch counter sit-ins Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #47
lol - you are joking right? Just in case you're not... whereisjustice Oct 2014 #49
+1 Scuba Oct 2014 #93
I assume you missed the applause at the end, FourScore Oct 2014 #58
Ticket prices go up, wages are going down. The orchestra/opera is a luxury few can afford.... whereisjustice Oct 2014 #64
I don't know what market you're in, but our symphony tix start at $19 and opera starts at $25 Coventina Oct 2014 #65
Not to mention the free concerts and community outreach done by the SLS... theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #72
That's the way this thread reads. tammywammy Oct 2014 #73
I'm saying that for a family of four, $80 is a lot of money to see a performance whereisjustice Oct 2014 #110
Again, I'm not sure what market you're reporting on, but our symphony has set new attendance records Coventina Oct 2014 #111
I would be afraid that there will be more copycat performances TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #109
You don't understand solidarity do ya? marions ghost Oct 2014 #113
Perfect - exactly what we need, civil disobedience. We are being ignored by BOTH parties. whereisjustice Oct 2014 #48
Applause! Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #53
LOL, she reminded me of Barbara Bush & "her beautiful mind" comment catbyte Oct 2014 #55
Of course they vote red Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #56
"Mike Brown is a thug" is what the creepy smile guy sang JimDandy Oct 2014 #80
Oh, yuck. It just figures. catbyte Oct 2014 #91
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2014 #54
They didn't interrupt the symphony if they sang during the intermission... Nitram Oct 2014 #57
. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #60
How do you "Interrupt" an intermission? malthaussen Oct 2014 #61
The flash mob waited until the intermission was over, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #67
Bigger audience, I'd guess. malthaussen Oct 2014 #68
I'm sure they called those who conducted sit-ins rude, too. Tatiana Oct 2014 #66
If the owners of the concert hall were discriminating against black people, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #74
the organizer riverwalker Oct 2014 #75
Thanks go out to Sarah. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #88
Thank you Sarah Griesbach. Yes, we need more people like Ms. Griesbach. Scuba Oct 2014 #94
Very nice. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #79
I Go To The Orchestra RobinA Oct 2014 #90
Great protest, very polite and respectful, but they make their point with the attendees ... Scuba Oct 2014 #92
Just awesome! Horse with no Name Oct 2014 #101
Wow. I had no idea St. Louis was so... unresponsive. TygrBright Oct 2014 #102
A lot of them clapped marions ghost Oct 2014 #112

Suich

(10,642 posts)
1. Awesome!
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 06:25 PM
Oct 2014

Hard to tell what the audience thought. Quite a few seemed to support it but the woman in the black strapless dress didn't seem very happy.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
107. Here is what some of the musicians thought
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 05:48 PM
Oct 2014

as reported on the symphony's blog:

STL Symphony Blog

Posted on October 6, 2014 by Eddie Silva

A Human Requiem

...You no doubt have heard of the protest at Powell Hall Saturday night, just before Markus Stenz turned to give the downbeat to the orchestra and chorus to begin Ein deutsches Requiem. You no doubt have your own thoughts and feelings about it.

Among the orchestra and staff of the St. Louis Symphony the thoughts and feelings are as diverse as can be found anywhere outside of Powell Hall. In response to the protest, some were inspired, some were afraid, some were appalled, some were angry, some were puzzled.

Some members of the audience booed, some applauded. Some members of the orchestra and chorus applauded. Others did not.

I’ve seen the word “surreal” used more than once on individual musician and chorus member Facebook accounts. And for some, there remain unresolved, conflicting thoughts. One chorus member wrote: “As for me, I added Michael Brown and his family to my private list of those for whom I was singing the great German Requiem.”

“Behold, I show you a mystery:/ we shall not all sleep,/ but we shall all be changed….”


http://www.stlsymphony.org/blog/index.php/2014/10/a-human-requiem/

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
108. That is a most excellent idea
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:51 PM
Oct 2014

I can't sing, but I can stand in the background and play the tambourine or cow bell

But seriously, it's a great way to protest. Because cops cracking heads of people singing is not good optics. And it forced even the snooty people in the audience to listen and be shamed. I was very happy to see applause from the stage. It's too important to let Mike Brown's murder disappear.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
89. A gentle disruption to create a bit of cognitive dissonance
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:06 PM
Oct 2014

during some down time at an upscale event.

All 50 protesters who sang their Requiem for Mike Brown bought pricey tickets ($55-$150 each) to the symphony to point out that "Racism Lives Here". I applaud them for, in one-fell swoop: honoring Mike Brown; effectively raising awareness of racial injustice in a venue frequented by the upper crust in St Louis; and financially supporting the arts and symphony members.



duhneece

(4,118 posts)
105. I want to do this!!!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:32 PM
Oct 2014

Somehow, somewhere. I love that these folks bought tickets for the symphony, organized. I love these folks and all who participated by clapping whether musicians or other (non 'organized') audience members. Sigh, smiling.

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
10. What's the defining characteristic then?
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:15 PM
Oct 2014

I had thought it was a group who had only "met" on the Internet. This group obviously got together in person to make signs at least.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
17. Done suddenly - appears out of the blue - in a public place without warning
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:43 PM
Oct 2014

the people who are part of the flash mob can be completely rehearsed in person over and over again - and usually are if they're going to put on a good performance. The only defining characteristics are that the people they're performing for can't be prepared and know it's coming, and it has to be done in public (which is part of the first I guess since the whole point of being in public is catching their audience unaware.)

wheniwasincongress

(1,307 posts)
7. Did someone say "He's a thug: at around :37?
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:11 PM
Oct 2014

And are the people clapping in support of the flash mob and their message?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
97. The person filming is a female.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:08 PM
Oct 2014

It's a male voice very close to her that is singing '(Mike Brown) is a thug'. A bit later in the video, the videographer captures the face of a male attendee with a creepy smile who is sitting next to her. She asks him something pointed and he doesn't answer. That's probably the man who made the idiotic remark.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
103. Yes, someone did say "he was a thug." No matter what one may think he was murdered in cold
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:58 PM
Oct 2014

blood. "Thugs" are people too...but some thugs are more favored than others (militias, some bikers, etc.) I still watch in my super market as kids from the high school next door flood the place at lunchtime and proceed to pilfer and steal as much as they can put in their pockets and no one bats an eye (mostly white, mostly upper class families live in my area...the few minorities around are watched with frowns and suspected of every wrong doing. I watched two black teens enter the store and immediately picked up the produce manager as an eye on as the white kids just pocketed chips, cookies, and gum and no one even glanced except me. I told the store manager on the way out what I saw and he said thanks, "I'll pay more attention at lunch time." That was it..
Nothing surprises me any more. A young black teen gets killed carrying a pack of skittles and the children of the elite get away with murder...or at least stealing.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
13. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahaha
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:21 PM
Oct 2014

That was the best of the lot - Ms totally disconnected from reality must be saying "How dare you!"

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
41. Yes, a song written by and for the very same people...
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:18 PM
Oct 2014

... some on DU have called ignorant, toothless fucks.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
19. bravo!
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:47 PM
Oct 2014


good grief, lady in the black strapless dress - just think if it were her loved one lying dead on the street for 41/2 hours after being unjustly shot by a policeman...what type of expression would she have under those circumstances?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
20. The expression on the face of the "uptown" looking white woman
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 07:55 PM
Oct 2014

was priceless.
And the cowardice of the man next to her who made some comment but refused to say it again when the camera was on him.

Bravo to the flash mob people.

brooklynite

(94,737 posts)
31. UNREC
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 09:49 PM
Oct 2014

I support Freedom of Speech, except when it intrudes on someone else's. I see no legitimate goal in interrupting an unrelated cultural event, other than the unsupported allegation that "the 1%" in some way support the actions of the Ferguson Police Dept.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
33. It seemed to me no harm was done and some of the orchestra approved.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:02 PM
Oct 2014

They'll all talk about it for years.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
78. Yes! This was not an intrusion
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:11 PM
Oct 2014

according to the symphony's VP, Adam Crane. He stated that the protest occurred during the intermission and that all fifty protesters paid for tickets.

I don't have the disposable income for symphony tickets, so I appreciate all of those protesters that could afford to "put their money where their mouth is". The total ticket purchase for 50 tickets for a Saturday night performance was somewhere between $2750 ($55 cheapest seats) and $7,000 ($150 seats). The protest had the nice side affect of financially supporting the orchestra members too!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
98. Never mind
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:16 PM
Oct 2014

as in 'this is not worthy of attention, even if it is during intermission' or 'no one should mind such a worthy effort, especially since it's during intermission? What are you trying to say?

Do you disapprove of their protest?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
99. My point was only that if it was at the intermission no one has
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:32 PM
Oct 2014

anything to beef about. The issue is a very important one, and IMO the entire Ferguson PD should be disbanded, but there's a time and a place for everything. I love going to the symphony but can't afford it all that often. I would be mightily cheesed off at something like this interrupting a concert I paid a significant amount of money to see despite my agreement with the cause.

brooklynite

(94,737 posts)
36. Please enlighten me...
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:09 PM
Oct 2014

Protestors could have interrupted a St. Louis Cardinal's game, the Missouri State Legislature or any number of other events. Explain the relevance.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
38. How do you know that they haven't or aren't going to?
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:12 PM
Oct 2014

And why in your opinion is a baseball game seemingly more fitting for a protest against racism than a symphony performance?

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
39. Never mind bringing any logic into this
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:13 PM
Oct 2014

Tickets for that symphony are probably a lot cheaper than tickets to a rock concert and the performers make a helluva lot less. But let's not burst any preconceived notions around here.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
76. Symphony tickets are NOT cheap.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:06 PM
Oct 2014

I was at a press event a couple of weeks ago and part of the package was a trip to see the Dallas Symphony, which was wonderful. The ticket said $95.00. And the musicians in any decent full-time orchestra make high-five to lower-six figures.

Such a protest would actually be more effective at a baseball or football game. Bigger crowds, more exposure.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
85. Tickets to the StLS start at around 25-30 bucks
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:58 PM
Oct 2014

Tickets to see the Rams, about 100 bucks and up. Guess which one I'd rather see.

 

R.Quinn

(122 posts)
104. That is incorrect.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:25 PM
Oct 2014

I'm a diehard Rams fan and have been to many games, including primetime Rams games, such last year's Thursday night game against the 49ers ($45) and Monday night game against the Seahawks ($14). I'm about to purchase tickets for next week's Monday night game against the 49ers, which start at $9 on StubHub as of this post.

If you are paying anywhere near $100 for a ticket to a Rams regular season home game, either:

1) The Chicago Bears are in town (they aren't)

2) You are well-off and can afford great seats

3) You have been ripped-off beyond belief

Just sayin'.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
69. These same protest organizers DID protest at a St Louis Cardinals game
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:18 AM
Oct 2014

2 weeks ago and were escorted out in handcuffs for hanging banners there protesting Brown's senseless death.

The relevance is the word "cultural". Micheal Brown's death and the unfair targeting of blacks by police is a cultural problem in the St Louis area and other places in the US. Venues hosting large cultural events, whether baseball, music, or political, are all appropriate places to focus on cultural injustices.

jen63

(813 posts)
71. These are the "upper crust",
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:34 AM
Oct 2014

who don't give a rat's ass about Michael Brown and all of those gunned down by our militarized police force. They are under the the mistaken illusion that we are living in a post racial society. I say bring on more protests where these entitled people go to hide from the real world.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
84. I'm sure those of us who enjoy classical music appreciate those comments, Jen
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:55 PM
Oct 2014

I'll leave it at that.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
95. I would be upset at the symphony
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:08 PM
Oct 2014

It's like having a commercial for the Koch bros shouted between the acts of a play.

We are there to hear the music and besides that who is next to push their agenda the Anti Abortion crowd with their fetuses in jars etc.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
106. I don't know -- a lot of them were clapping.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:55 PM
Oct 2014

I don't think you can categorize them all that way.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
63. I guess those that improve of this act of political speech ...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:48 AM
Oct 2014

should apologize for intruding on this cultural event.

Wait! Doesn't all political speech interrupt someone's peace and calm?

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
70. Your not so tacit disdain for the protesters
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:20 AM
Oct 2014

supports the action of the Ferguson Police Dept. Whether you mean to or not.

So I assume you support "protest zones" so those nasty protesters don't ruin someone's beautiful experience?

calimary

(81,500 posts)
82. Really? I thought it was pretty great!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:48 PM
Oct 2014

And it was orderly, well-behaved - and rather elegant. I also like that it happened in an unexpected place - one as buttoned-down as an event like this. I would hope to see these random demonstrations popping up all over the place, in all kinds of circumstances. Some people need to be reminded. Repetition dontchaknow. Especially if they don't otherwise live it every day or have any taste of it in their own lives.

It always pleases me when I see demonstrations of multiculturalism. When I see white faces popping up in the marches against racism (where you'd expect to see mostly black faces). Where you see other races joining in to protest an injustice done to one race. I like seeing that. It gives me hope.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
100. I wouldn't have considered it an intrusion...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:36 PM
Oct 2014

I would have been wondering why I didn't think of it.

Good on them!!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
43. Rude, annoying and counterproductive.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 10:58 PM
Oct 2014

It certainly looked as though several of the protestors were practically bursting with smug self-importance, but are such antics really likely to win people over to the cause?

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
44. no offense
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:28 PM
Oct 2014

but reading your response, i couldn't help imagining your words via Lindsey Graham's voice.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
45. Not as rude as getting shot in cold blood for no reason, and being left to rot
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:37 PM
Oct 2014

in the streets while protesters arrested and placed under martial law. Civil disobedience, we need it more than ever before.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
47. I get things like the lunch counter sit-ins
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:44 PM
Oct 2014

because the lunch counters were discriminating against blacks.

But did MLK ever do stuff like randomly disrupt concerts or symphonies?

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
49. lol - you are joking right? Just in case you're not...
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:50 PM
Oct 2014

I'm betting the symphony was disrupted. What do you think?


FourScore

(9,704 posts)
58. I assume you missed the applause at the end,
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:58 AM
Oct 2014

with most of the members of the symphony applauding as well.

The only thing I found sad was the fact that the auditorium had so many empty seats. Maybe some press like this will help boost sales.



whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
64. Ticket prices go up, wages are going down. The orchestra/opera is a luxury few can afford....
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:49 AM
Oct 2014

and they are not appealing to the working class. The opera productions are getting more and more lavish to attract big donors pricing out anyone but the elite. It's a tragedy but mirrors the standard trajectory of our widening disparity between rich and poor.

It also bothers many musicians that the classical arts are becoming inaccessible to all but the richest among us.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
65. I don't know what market you're in, but our symphony tix start at $19 and opera starts at $25
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:03 AM
Oct 2014

which is WAYYYYY less than the average rock concert ticket.

I am working class, and I have season subscriptions to both.
Are you suggesting that working class people can't appreciate the symphony or opera?

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
72. Not to mention the free concerts and community outreach done by the SLS...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:45 AM
Oct 2014

One might assume from some of the comments that only 1%ers enjoy the symphony or opera. It costs more to go to a ballgame than to the symphony, not to mention other types of music concerts.

Don't worry about some of the stereotyping going on around here, my wife and I both love classical music and opera.

As for the folks in attendance, I found it odd that of the hundreds in the audience, when the protest started the camera managed to be focused solely upon the one woman who acted like a fool. What a coincidence! It seems that not only did the rest of the folks sit quietly during the protest, some actually applauded as did some in the orchestra. I must have missed the part where the alternate audience came in dressed in evening gowns and pearls.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
73. That's the way this thread reads.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:53 AM
Oct 2014

That only the 1%ers and upper crust go to the symphony. I grew up middle class and played the cello for 8 years. My parents also took me to the ballet and symphony multiple times a year, because they knew I liked it. We were neither 1%ers or upper crust.

I still like the symphony and you can get tickets cheap. I'm still not a 1%er.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
110. I'm saying that for a family of four, $80 is a lot of money to see a performance
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:22 PM
Oct 2014

and that performance has to be on a weekend. Music is something that should be shared and it is difficult to manage $80 3/4 times a year.

Our $20 seats are far right/left upper balcony behind obstructions.

For a mid-market show, reasonable seats generally start at $50 and go to $100+.

I'm sorry, but it is a fact that the classical arts are hemorrhaging audiences. Few can afford subscriptions (I did not renew mine local arts subscription this year due price hikes).

Ballet is yet another problem with pricing.

As far as rock concerts, there too, I am seeing older crowds. It's going to catch up with them as well.

The ticket prices are going up far faster than my wages. Service fees are up to $6.00 a ticket. Free concerts are not enough to sustain a vibrant arts community, it's nice but can only be afforded if there is a sustaining subsidy.

The market is pricing out the middle class and below for these performances. I am middle-class and have seen hundreds of performances.

I understand your frustration, I don't have a answer to the problem, but that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. I am also of the opinion that cities should invest in the arts community at proportional level as their sports investments. But when I bring that up, I am shouted down.






Coventina

(27,172 posts)
111. Again, I'm not sure what market you're reporting on, but our symphony has set new attendance records
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 10:49 AM
Oct 2014

each of the last three years.

Children and students get deeply discounted or even free tickets, they don't pay anywhere near full price.

We also have a special family series on Saturday afternoons specifically for families with small children with very cheap pricing.

Service fees in our market are $2 a ticket - both the symphony & opera.
Or, if you buy a package, it's $10, no matter many tickets you buy.

Again, that's wayyyyyy less than what the average rock show is going to cost you.

I'm sorry to hear that your symphony, opera, and ballet are suffering so badly. All the arts organizations took a big hit with the "great recession." But, ours seem to have recovered well and are back to growing and flourishing again.

It sounds as if there is a disconnect between your arts organizations and your community.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
109. I would be afraid that there will be more copycat performances
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:01 PM
Oct 2014

by people who can't sing.

The protesters had nice voices and sang during intermission, so it doesn't seem like a big deal, but - oh! - how I can imagine some really horrible singing!

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
113. You don't understand solidarity do ya?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:09 AM
Oct 2014

This well-organized protest would not have affected my enjoyment of the symphony one bit. In fact I would have been HAPPY to see the spontaneous expression of solidarity--the clapping of many in the audience.

I'd call it the best symphony experience ever. Because it would indicate to me that SOME people are truly alive, actively doing what they can to awaken others--not just passive consumers dozing in their chairs. A lot of people go to the concert just to sleep, y'know.

I would find it incredibly uplifting and enjoy the rest of the symphony even more!

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
48. Perfect - exactly what we need, civil disobedience. We are being ignored by BOTH parties.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:45 PM
Oct 2014

Justice is not for us, it is only for the rich.

catbyte

(34,454 posts)
55. LOL, she reminded me of Barbara Bush & "her beautiful mind" comment
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:03 AM
Oct 2014

after Katrina. That white woman was so clueless--I'll just bet this is the first time in her obviously sheltered. privileged life that she was confronted with someone else's reality. I hope she opens her eyes, but I fear she will just complain about "the rabble rousers" who got into the symphony. I'm cynical, though. The guy she was with said a smart ass comment to the camera operator that he wouldn't repeat then smiled that creepy smile. I suspect they vote red.

Catherine Vincent

(34,491 posts)
56. Of course they vote red
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:09 AM
Oct 2014

I'd be shocked if they didn't. I'll have to go back and listen to the guy next to her.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
80. "Mike Brown is a thug" is what the creepy smile guy sang
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:38 PM
Oct 2014

while the protesters were singing. No video of him singing it, but he was the closest male to the camera operator when the audio was captured. Hope the camera operator definitively IDs the idiot at some point.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
61. How do you "Interrupt" an intermission?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:43 AM
Oct 2014

The use of that word in the headlines of the reported stories seems to me designed to create a mild sense of offense in the reader. I've seen a few disgruntled remarks made to these threads which indicate that the poster is offended that the performance was disrupted by the flash mob, which is of course not the case. Interesting how subtly reactions can be influenced by word choices, isn't it?

-- Mal

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
67. The flash mob waited until the intermission was over,
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:10 AM
Oct 2014

and then started their protest just as the performance was about to restart.

Which does raise the question, why not just do the protest during the intermission?

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
68. Bigger audience, I'd guess.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:15 AM
Oct 2014

After all the smoking and head visits were done. The video doesn't show the exact timing: had the conductor (who looks pissed to me) already called the orchestra to attention? If so, one could argue it was poor timing, but if not, no problem.

-- Mal

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
66. I'm sure they called those who conducted sit-ins rude, too.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:07 AM
Oct 2014

I thought this was a very thoughtful and effective way of conducting a protest. If I'm not mistaken, it was done at intermission.

It also sends an important message to the 1%ers -- this issue of sanctioned murder of African-American males must be addressed.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
74. If the owners of the concert hall were discriminating against black people,
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:00 PM
Oct 2014

then by all means, have sit-ins, do flash mobs, and interrupt concerts. But I don't think this was the case here.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
75. the organizer
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:03 PM
Oct 2014

was Sarah Griesbach. The world needs more people like her.

http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_d3d4e0b0-4c48-11e4-bc55-275aa0a96f33.html
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The St. Louis American tracked down and interviewed the organizer of the event – Sarah Griesbach, 42, a white woman who lives in the Central West End. She said that the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed teen who was shot and killed by a police officer in Ferguson, has opened her eyes to the inequalities that exist in St. Louis. She has been protesting since Brown was shot on Aug. 9.
“It is my duty and desire to try to reach out and raise that awareness peacefully but also to disrupt the blind state of white St. Louis, particularly among the people who are secure in their blindness,” Griesbach said.
Two weeks ago, she and another “middle-aged woman who wear our mom jeans pulled up way too high” held up a sign at a Cardinals game that said, “Racism lives here.” A pivotal moment for her was when people around them started chanting in response, “Hands up, don’t loot.”
She and her fellow protester Elizabeth Vega decided to try again at the symphony, which received a much warmer response. She believes that is because the audience was fairly diverse in ethnicity and age.
“There is an inclusivity that comes with that intellectual culture,” she said.
The group of demonstrators was also a mix of African Americans, Latino and white residents – from college kids to college professors, she said. There were “representatives” from Clayton, Webster Groves, South St. Louis, Central West End and Ferguson. Although she lives in the Central West End, her children attend school in Clayton. As a mother, she has been deeply affected by Brown’s death.
“This cannot be just a Ferguson issue,” she said.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
90. I Go To The Orchestra
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:09 PM
Oct 2014

and I am not upper crust. Just saying.

That being said, I'm probably one of the few people, I guess on the planet, who hates flash mobs. I find it intrusive, presumptive and manipulative. It's the same as standing up on a table in a restaurant and preaching whatever, which would never fly, but it gets a pass because it's usually something that would be considered entertaining. Then there's the peer pressure to ENJOY IT DAMNIT! or you're a churlish sourpuss who hates everything. Much like this lady at the orchestra who gets chastised because she didn't applaud wildly when her show was disrupted. We WILL interrupt what you were doing with our singing and/or dancing, and you WILL like it or face public ridicule.

Stand back, the herd is coming through.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
92. Great protest, very polite and respectful, but they make their point with the attendees ...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:59 PM
Oct 2014

... not all of whom are members of the 1%, but all of whom need to be reminded that many of us still care about unjustices in this world.

By the way, I agree the woman in the strapless dress looked appalled, and maybe that was her reaction to her date's hateful comment, but probably not.

TygrBright

(20,767 posts)
102. Wow. I had no idea St. Louis was so... unresponsive.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:47 PM
Oct 2014

Remembering the days I had season tickets to both Symphony and Chamber orchestras in Minnesota, I can tell you *exactly* what would have happened had they done this in Minneapolis or St. Paul:

At about :30-:45 a couple of members of the audience would have stood, in solidarity.

By 2:00 a majority of the audience would have been on their feet.

By 3:00 they'd be trying to sing along.

By 3:30, some of the musicians would be playing along.

And when the flashmob finished, they'd have a standing ovation on their way out the door, from audience and orchestra alike.

Because that's what orchestra audiences in the Twin Cities used to be like, lo those many years ago. I don't know if they still are. But I'd take a flyer on at least some of that happening there even today.

St. Louis orchestra fans just sit there and look around uncomfortably?

Wow.

amazedly,
Bright

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
112. A lot of them clapped
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:01 AM
Oct 2014

...some were stunned and paralyzed.

Not everybody lives in a liberal Utopia. Obviously St Louis is not one.

But this IS progress....



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