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tecelote

(5,122 posts)
4. Or those that send drones to weddings?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:27 PM
Sep 2014

No one hates us for our freedom anymore.

We hold more prisoners, by number, than China. More than any country in the world.

We spy on everyone, including our citizens.

We torture.

How many aircraft carriers do we have? No one else even has one. Our military is the largest organization in the world. Bigger than most countries.

We are not the land of the free anymore. But, we sure are the land of the brave.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
14. We are not the only country who uses brutality
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:42 PM
Sep 2014

or has aircraft carriers. I am not a supporter of brutality. But not being realistic is no help to anyone.
When I was in Vietnam we were brutal. So was the VC. The war should never have taken place I think but it is important to point out the truth no matter where it takes you.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. That would be those relatives and friends of the women and children we kill,
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:29 PM
Sep 2014

who then get so hopped up on hatred as a result of our butchery that extreme ideology seems to have the answers.

Killing more people generates more hate, which swells the ranks of ISIL. Simple concept, really.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
7. a wide swath of people across the middle east, unaffiliated with terror
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:29 PM
Sep 2014

hate us. That's what happens when you bomb people.

malaise

(268,997 posts)
10. The US killed more than a million Iraqis and you bawl when three Western journalists
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:31 PM
Sep 2014

are beheaded in the Middle East?

Ah well!

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
13. LOL Saudi Oilrabia (US buddy) beheads people all the time!
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:41 PM
Sep 2014

I know, I know...white, western heads are more important than those 'other' heads

pampango

(24,692 posts)
15. Good point. Most Sunnis just want peace, a decent job, some level of human rights and a degree of
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:49 PM
Sep 2014

democracy (some influence on how their government is run). IOW, they are surprisingly like us.

The violent minority may hate us because it leads to violence which gives them more power. (They don't aspire to take power through elections.) They may genuinely hate us for our liberated women, our relatively open gays, a relatively secular society - but they are a minority. We in the West also have our fundamentalist minority that hates our liberated women, our relatively open gays and our relatively secular society.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
16. there are probably more Americans who really do hate them
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:52 PM
Sep 2014

also the ones who join up terrorist groups are often those who have lived pretty good lives. rarely are they those who have actually been victimized by the US or anyone else.

look at how the worst terrorists in ISIS are British , many who have grown up in pretty well to do comfortable homes and whose parents are often moderates.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
19. I believe that
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:44 PM
Sep 2014

In honor our latest "must do" intervention, I'm just putting a little twist on that shit phrase.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
12. As Bill Maher said:
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:35 PM
Sep 2014

When you make the decision to live amongst "cutthroats", there is the possibility that you may get your throat cut...

It's not like they were standing in line to get the new I-phone and somebody cut their heads off....

I think his point may have been crude but it has some legitimacy.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
17. Arrogance
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:56 PM
Sep 2014

Though like someone else said, most don't hate us.

The ones that do, tend to be the ones directly aversely affected by US interventionist policy.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
18. Spent the day ....
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:09 PM
Sep 2014

on a boat on the Turkish coast with a Turkish citizen and his wife. They had lived in the US for fourteen years and realized that the US was not for them.

The US should not try and be the policeman of the world ... and I agree.

What a mess we have made and Repubs could not have done so without the Dems.




Autumn

(45,083 posts)
20. I watched the news tonight. I was wondering how many innocents died.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:48 PM
Sep 2014

nothing on that, it just doesn't matter does it.

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