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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:17 PM Sep 2014

Historian Tells CBS: Fox News Would Have ‘Loved’ To Show FDR With Polio ‘At His Most Helpless’

David Edwards
14 Sep 2014

Historian Geoffrey Ward told CBS News on Sunday that Franklin D. Roosevelt would have difficulty running for president with a disability like polio today because Fox News would have “loved” to show him “at his most helpless.”

During a panel discussion about the PBS documentary “The Roosevelts: An Intimate History,” CBS host Bob Schieffer noted that Roosevelt could have never hidden his inability to walk from the public today.

“Hopefully, the public today would be much more understanding and glad to have somebody that had overcome this kind of problem,” historian Doris Kearns Goodwin agreed.

“I differ with Doris a little,” Ward said. “I think if he were running now, sadly, I think TV crews would compete with each other to see who could get the footage that showed him at his most helpless. He had to be carried in and out of buildings. He had to be helped to remove his braces and so on.”

“And I think Fox News would have loved that,” he pointed out.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/blog/2014/09/14/historian-tells-cbs-fox-news-would-have-loved-to-show-fdr-with-polio-at-his-most-helpless/

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Historian Tells CBS: Fox News Would Have ‘Loved’ To Show FDR With Polio ‘At His Most Helpless’ (Original Post) Purveyor Sep 2014 OP
And the film would be run every couple of minutes Gman Sep 2014 #1
And Kanye West wouldn't perform until he stood up Blue Owl Sep 2014 #2
that would likely win FDR votes dsc Sep 2014 #4
HAAAAAAA! 7962 Sep 2014 #14
I can see Steve Doocy playing a clip and then making a face for the camera. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #3
...followed by an idiotic douchebag comment.... lastlib Sep 2014 #5
Doocy comment lobodons Sep 2014 #13
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #6
Good thing we didn't have Faux then! n/t deafskeptic Sep 2014 #7
If Fox News existed then... Frank Cannon Sep 2014 #29
k&r... spanone Sep 2014 #8
Fox News would have had a chart ... JEFF9K Sep 2014 #9
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #10
The GOP did NOT have total control in 1931, the Democratic Party held the House. happyslug Sep 2014 #18
Okay, Democrats had total control ... JEFF9K Sep 2014 #20
Just pointing out a minor error in your statement, an error I have seen right wingers jump on happyslug Sep 2014 #21
Good point, but ... JEFF9K Sep 2014 #27
I am a amatuer historian of the Great Depression, but it takes only one to cause problems, happyslug Sep 2014 #34
But 1930's Democrats would be republicans now LittleGirl Sep 2014 #25
America has a love affair with the notion of getting rich by voting rich.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #28
No, they're never surprised. Frank Cannon Sep 2014 #30
True. A right winger that's poor blames other poor people for dragging down the economy. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #32
As the saying goes... Frank Cannon Sep 2014 #33
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #11
K&R. nt lunamagica Sep 2014 #12
If Fox News were around during colonial times... Initech Sep 2014 #15
Which actually might be a plus for us SoCalDem Sep 2014 #19
Actually now that I think about it. .. Initech Sep 2014 #24
I can see that, sadly. LittleGirl Sep 2014 #26
He's right...knr joeybee12 Sep 2014 #16
And Rush Limbaugh would make light of his disability rustydog Sep 2014 #17
If Reagan was in a wheelchair they'd compare him to Iron Man. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2014 #22
R#33 & k n/t UTUSN Sep 2014 #23
I have to agree tartan2 Sep 2014 #31
They would constantly complain about why Roosevelt wasn't out golfing Johonny Sep 2014 #35

Gman

(24,780 posts)
1. And the film would be run every couple of minutes
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:37 PM
Sep 2014

While "experts" blabbed about what it all means with such a weak prez.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
29. If Fox News existed then...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:42 AM
Sep 2014

We'd all be saluting the Twisted Cross and Der Fuhrer every morning today. And we'd be loving every minute of it.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
9. Fox News would have had a chart ...
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

"disproving" that Republicans had total control in 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, and 1931, and that therefore they weren't responsible for the Great Depression.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
18. The GOP did NOT have total control in 1931, the Democratic Party held the House.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:00 PM
Sep 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/72nd_United_States_Congress

In the 1930 election, the Senate ended up 48-47-1, 48 GOP, 47 Democrats, 1 Labor-Farmer (Who voted with the Democrats).

Technically, since the GOP had the Vice President who could break a tie it remain GOP, but just barely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1930

The House went DEMOCRATIC in 1930, thus the Democratic Party controlled the HOUSE in 1931:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_1930

Technically the Democratic Party won only 216 seats (and Minnesota's Labor-Farmers won one seat, who voted with the Democrats), while the GOP won 218 seats, the problem was before Congress convened in March 1931, the GOP had lost another four seats in special elections, thus the Democrats were in control from March 1931 onward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/72nd_United_States_Congress

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
20. Okay, Democrats had total control ...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:48 PM
Sep 2014

through 1930. However, THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN FACTS AND DATES, by Gorton Carruth, says that the Democrats took a 220-214 lead in the House because of the 11/4/1930 election.

The POINT is that Republicans had TOTAL control for many years leading up to the Great Depression, and that nobody seems to be aware of it.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
21. Just pointing out a minor error in your statement, an error I have seen right wingers jump on
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

And when they jump on such an error, they ignore the whole point you are trying to make and by citing the "Error" over and over again, they call into question your premise. This is typical GOP tactics and you have to be prepared to address them, first by saying it was a minor error, and then correcting the error. On the other hand, when we are discussing things among ourselves we should point out errors by others, so that if you get attack by the Right Wing you are prepared.

Just a comment to be careful with facts, just because the GOP ignores facts does not mean we should.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
27. Good point, but ...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:52 PM
Sep 2014

I put this together. I have never seen it anywhere else. I have posted it in various versions about a dozen times and you are the first person to notice the error.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
34. I am a amatuer historian of the Great Depression, but it takes only one to cause problems,
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:12 AM
Sep 2014

If I know it, others know it, but they are NOT talking for it is minor (and that would be my opinion, except I have been caught by such "minor" errors by people who jump on such "errors" rather then dismiss them as minor).

Thus double check your data, Wikipedia is a good place to double check data (Wikipedia has errors, some of them are huge, but it is a good place to start).

Just remember housing prices dropped 90% from 1927 to 1938, a fact no one wants to even address today. In some ways it is worse then 90% for in 1934 FDR devalued the Dollar from $20 to an ounce of gold to $35 to an ounce of gold (a value the dollar would retain till Nixon).

On the other hand, houses in 1927 tended to be America Four Square (With Bungalow a distant #2), a large home, not a McMansion but a large home. In 1938 what was building built were bungalow and Ranch style homes (With Ranches replacing the Four Square as the most popular style, it was more compatible with the automobile and cheaper to build).

Most popular were Ranch Style homes (through some four square were also built). Ranch provided about 1/2 to 1/4 the internal space of a Four Square. Thus the 90% price drop also reflected a downsizing of homes by 50-75%.

Using the devaluation of the Dollar, you can claim housing prices drop 95% (the additional 5% attributed to the 40% cut in the value of the dollar with the devaluation to $35 a ounce of gold).

On the other hand, you can say the devaluation was only 25% for people were buying Ranches that were 1/4 the size of the Four Square, thus most of the 90% drop in price reflected a change in housing that was wanted, the Four Square were old Fashioned the Ranch was the design of the future. The problem with that argument is people were buying Ranches for that is all they could afford, where four square were available and people could afford them, they still sold as late as WWII (The problem is the ability to PAY was so reduced that no one had money to buy a four square, so they stopped being built post WWII).

I bring up how housing type change to show how bad the Great Depression was AND how the far right do they best to make it appear less bad then it was.

Would you perfer to live in a Four Square, which can run from a small four square:



To a large four Square:



or a Ranch?



Remember housing resumed in 1938 (housing died in 1927, and did NOT pick up till the Giant Stimulus package FDR did in 1938, you be surprised what was built under the program, it was the program that got the US out of the Great Depression NOT WWII).

I tend to like Four Square, it provides the most internal space, at the lowest cost with the smallest imprint on the land. For those reason it was the most popular housing design from the 1890s till WWII (It derived from Frank Lloyd Wright's Prairie style home, which looks a lot like a Four Square for that reason, the Four Square tends to be a Square unlike the rectangular Prairie and Ranch style homes).

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
25. But 1930's Democrats would be republicans now
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 10:17 PM
Sep 2014

And that's how it switched as far as I can remember about that political time. The democrats split with the republicans during the depression and during the race riots in the 60s. Those democrats were their own breed back then. Not today's democrats. Good and bad alike.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
28. America has a love affair with the notion of getting rich by voting rich....
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:36 AM
Sep 2014

Then when the rich fuck them they're ALWAYS surprised.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
30. No, they're never surprised.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 06:45 AM
Sep 2014

They just blame it on the poor people.

They never, ever connect the fucking dots.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
33. As the saying goes...
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:23 PM
Sep 2014

There are no poor or even middle-class right-wingers, just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
15. If Fox News were around during colonial times...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:19 PM
Sep 2014

They would have painted George Washington and James Madison as radical left wing extremists and we'd still be under British rule.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
19. Which actually might be a plus for us
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:03 PM
Sep 2014

We would have universal health care and might actually be a more civilized society

Initech

(100,070 posts)
24. Actually now that I think about it. ..
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:36 PM
Sep 2014

If Fox News were around during colonial times, they probably would have been complaining that King Henry VIII wasn't conservative enough. And our founding fathers would have been painted as brown shirts.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
17. And Rush Limbaugh would make light of his disability
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:19 PM
Sep 2014

like he did with Michael J Fox.

No honor, no integrity, no humanity...sad

Johonny

(20,849 posts)
35. They would constantly complain about why Roosevelt wasn't out golfing
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:20 AM
Sep 2014

Roosevelt doesn't golf enough next on Fox.

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