If Israel is using the excuse of crude rockets from Gaza to slaughter thousands of Palestinians...

[whereisjustice]

does this mean if the Palestinians were given more accurate rockets which could accurately hit military targets in Israel, thus avoiding civilian areas, Israel would stop using precision weapons to bomb UN schools and children playing soccer on the beach?

EDIT: At the risk of being misunderstood, I believe Israel is has been successful at manipulating public opinion using "crude rockets" as an excuse to kill as many Palestinians as possible, similar to our weapons of mass destruction invasion of Iraq which killed hundreds of thousands and left nothing but destruction, instability and terror in its wake.

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. So how do you stand on Syria's excuse for slaughtering hundreds of thousands?

Or Libya, or Egypt, or ISIS.

Just wondering?

[malaise]

2. Who is financing that and arming the rebels in Syria?

The same folks who object to armed rebels in Ukraine?

Find a new meme - you emperors are now naked.

[DocwillCuNow]

3. I can't wait until I catch up to your post cound Malaise, and I hear you loud and clear

on this issue... (post count competition is a pun btw)

[Agnosticsherbet]

10. Actually, my emperors are well dressed because it is raining in my neighborhood.

Wet emperors can cause a cold, don't you know. Might try a different fable. That one has lost it's sting due to old age and over use.

The truth is that other nations across the region have been slaughtering people in the hundreds of thousands, and no one talks about that anymore. Egypt actually works actively and happily to maintain the blockade around Gaza. (No rockets have fallen in Egypt and they have not fallen under the scorn of the left.)

I just find the screams of concern about Gaza and not a whisper of concern about hundreds of thousands dead in other countries in the region a bit odd.

Why do you think that is?

[Maedhros]

14. Pro-Likud propaganda.

/Ignore list.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. If all the fake outrage we're seeing were sincere those who condemn Israel should have been

cheering Bush's adventure time in Iraq.

[G_j]

66. huh?

sorry, I didnt get that. What are you trying to say?

[whereisjustice]

4. another day, right now our taxes are paying Israel, our "friend", to bomb children on the beach

not that I don't have strong beliefs about Syria and the rest of the region. My balance of power assertion would be a logical way to stop the violence if Israel were truthful about its excuse for unrestrained destruction and violence.

[Spider Jerusalem]

5. ...

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/open-dictionary/entries/whataboutery.htm

[elleng]

7. THANKS for this.

[elleng]

6. There really is no need to conflate all of these awful situations.

[Hippo_Tron]

52. Syria, Libya, and Egypt aren't democracies

If you want to be part of the civilized world, you get held to a higher standard.

[backwoodsbob]

8. here's a thought

if those crude rockets don't work and bring a military response from a far superior power...QUIT FIRING THEM!!!

[Maedhros]

15. Here's a thought:

If systematically stealing and settling another people's land results in crude rockets being fired at you...stop stealing and settling their land.

[backwoodsbob]

18. Gaza was handed to The palistinians

Israel walked away from gaza...they left the greenhouses..the factories...they forced thousands of settlers out of Gaza...in exchange for peace

Within HOURS of the last Israeli leaving Gaza rockets were flying

What do you expect Israel to do?..Just take it?

[Maedhros]

25. There's a little more history to the conflict than what you mention.

But you know that.

[backwoodsbob]

28. and Hamas isn't the poor innocent defenders

but you know that

[Maedhros]

33. Of course Hamas is not innocent - I did not raise that straw man, you did.

The bottom line is that Israel has systematically pushed Palestinians off of the land they were granted by the 1947 treaty. To pretend that the source of hostility is simply irrational Palestinian hatred is, frankly, moronic. Likud apologists can claim that the Israelis are pure-hearted victims all they want, but the reality is that Israel is every bit as responsible for this nightmare as the various radical Palestinian factions.

[backwoodsbob]

36. and to make Hamas the victims is...moronic

Israel was ready to make peace....they left gaza and offered peace ....in exchange they were attacked.

I have zero sympathy for Hamas.

The blockade wasnt the cause of the rockets...the rockets was the cause of the blockade.

If the Hamas side would quit firing rockets and stop the violence they would have a UN recognized state within 5 years.

They dont want that...they want to kill jews

[Maedhros]

41. But the children are the victims.

You are an apologist for child murder.

/Ignore list.

[backwoodsbob]

43. no..I just recognize reality

If Hamas really wanted a state they would have one within 5 years

[Maedhros]

69. I expect Israel to behave like civilized human beings. [n/t]

[lumpy]

48. Thank you. The fact that Israel has been allowing it's settlers to ruin Palestinian

agriculture, take over their homes and land and wholly subjugate Palestinians by hemming them in from outside contact is certainly plenty of reason for Palestinians to try and fight back in anyway possible. The Israeli subjugation of Palestinians has been going on for a long long time.
Why? Because Israel wants control of land that they consider to be theirs to own and control.
Israel is the aggressor in this disturbing fight.
Many of us have lost respect that has turned into hatred for Israel's blatant aggressive behavior.

[oberliner]

49. There are no settlers in Gaza

Have not been for about ten years now.

[lumpy]

54. OK. So Israel has no aspirations to take over Gaza?

Or is it just to continue controlling a land locked prison camp for Palestinians?

[oberliner]

56. Definitely not

In fact, that is the last thing in the world they would want.

With respect to Gaza, what Israel wants is for Hamas and all similar organizations to cease to exist or to become something other than what they are.

The West Bank, however, is a whole different situation. Very different relationship there.

[whereisjustice]

16. or Israel can stop spreading the seeds of oppression and violence

we used the same strategy when we invaded Iraq on the lie of a nuclear weapons threat to America. But really, hateful people in Govt. just wanted to kill a bunch of people who had nothing to do with 9/11 but were different from us with a lot of oil, making them very dangerous to the easily frightened radical right wing.

Israel claims they are using indiscriminate slaughter because it views the rockets from Gaza as incapable of distinguishing between military and civilian threats.

Arming the Palestinians would be win-win. With precision weapons on both sides, there would no civilian casualties, right? Certainly Israel would no longer need to blow up an apartment building filled with elderly women and children without any evidence of a threat.

So the solution is simple, give the Palestinians precision weapons to restore a balance of power.

Don't you agree?

[backwoodsbob]

44. Or Hamas could stop trying to kill people

they would have a state within 5 years if they would pull their heads out of their asses and talk instead of trying to kill people

[lumpy]

50. And Israel would not be losing moral support from the bulk of humanity if they pulled in their

horns out of their asses by killing people to gain land they consider to be theirs and theirs alone.

[DanTex]

51. Or Israel could stop, you know, actually killing innocent people by the hundreds.

I'm always fascinated by the way right-wing Likud defenders manage to ignore the fact that Israel kills some 10 or 100 times as many innocent civilians as Hamas. Some feat of mental gymnastics.

[malaise]

62. Who just killed 1,600+

Not Hamas - Israelis

[onenote]

67. This is Hamas:

December 2, 2001: A suicide bombing on a No. 16 Egged bus in Haifa killed 15 people and injured about 40 people. Hamas claimed responsibility for the Haifa blast, while Hizbullah's radio and television stations expressed support for the attacks.

December 1, 2001: A double suicide bombing at the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem at 11:30 p.m. on a Saturday night killed 11 people, aged 12-21, and injured 188 people. A car bomb exploded 20 minutes later. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

March 9, 2002: Eleven people were killed and 54 injured, 10 of them seriously, when a suicide bomber exploded at in a crowded cafe at the corner of Aza and Ben-Maimon streets in the Rehavia neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

March 27, 2002: Twenty-two people were killed and 140 injured - 20 seriously - in a suicide bombing at the Park Hotel in the coastal city of Netanya, in the midst of the Passover holiday seder with 250 guests. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

March 31, 2002: Fourteen people were killed and more than 40 injured in a suicide bombing in Haifa, in the Matza gas station restaurant near a shopping mall. Several of the injured were in serious to critical condition. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

June 8, 2002: Three Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were killed, and five were injured when an armed terrorist inflitrated the community of Carmei Tzur, south of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsiblity for the attack.

June 18, 2002: Nineteen people were killed and more than 70 were injured, in a suicide bombing on a bus just outside of Jerusalem. The bus, which was completely destroyed, was traveling from Gilo to Jerusalem and had many students on board. In addition to the bus, at least two other vehicles were severely damaged in the attack. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

August 4, 2002: Nine people were killed and about 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus at the Meron junction in northern Israel. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

September 19, 2002: Six people were killed and 60 wounded when a terrorist detonated a bomb on one of Tel Aviv's busiest streets, in a bus opposite the Great Synagogue. Many of the wounded were in critical or serious condition. Both Islamic Jihad and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

November 21, 2002: Eleven people were killed and 47 injured when a Palestinian suicide bomber exploded on a bus filled with passengers, including schoolchildren, in the Kiryat Menahem neighborhood in Jerusalem. The bus was traveling toward the center of the city during the morning rush hour. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

March 5, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 30 wounded when a terrorist detonated a powerful bomb on a bus en route to Haifa University. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

January 5, 2003: Twenty two people were killed and about 120 wounded in a double suicide bombing near the old Central Bus Station in Tel Aviv. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Islamic Jihad and Hamas all claimed responsibility for the attacks.

May 18, 2003: Seven people were killed and more than 20 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus at the start of the Israeli work week. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Soon after, a suicide bomber carrying explosives and dressed in the garb of an ultra-orthodox Jew was stopped at a roadblock. The Palestinian detonated his explosives, killing only himself. Hamas claimed responsibility in both attacks.

May 17, 2003: A pregnant Israeli woman and her husband were killed when a suicide bomber detonated himself next to them in a public square in Hebron. Hamas claimed responsibility.

April 30, 2003: Three people were killed and dozens wounded in a suicide bombing at a beachfront pub in Tel Aviv. The Fatah Tanzim and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out as a joint operation.

June 11, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 80 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus during the afternoon rush hour. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

September 9, 2003: Hamas claimed responsibility for two suicide bombings, the first at an entrance to the Tzrifin army base near Rishon Lezion and the second at Café Hillel in the German colony neighborhood of Jerusalem, which killed a total of 15 people and wounded at least 80.

August 19, 2003: Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing of a bus in Jerusalem killing at least 18 people and wounding nearly 100.

January 14, 2004: A female suicide bomber killed four people and wounded 20 at the Erez Crossing in the Gaza Strip. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

March 14, 2004: Ten people were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing in the area of the Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

August 31, 2004: Sixteen people, including a 3 year old, were killed and about 100 injured when two buses in Beersheba were attacked within minutes of each other by suicide bombers. Hamas claimed responsibility.

January 13, 2005: Six Israelis were killed and five other civilians were wounded in a double suicide bombing at the Karni crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. The two suicide bombers used a very large explosive device to blast through a defensive wall that separates the Israeli and Palestinian sides at the crossing. Following the blast, the bombers crossed into the Israeli side, carrying explosives on their bodies, which they detonated. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack.

April 17, 2006: Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".

August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in Washington, D.C.

November 15, 2012, 13 Israelis were injured during the night by rocket attacks from Gaza. One rocket struck an apartment in Kiryat Malachi, killing 3 civilians, including a pregnant woman. T5 were injured in the same attack, including children and infants. A house in Ashdod and a school in Ofakim were also struck by rockets.

[oberliner]

9. "as an excuse to kill as many Palestinians as possible"

You can't really believe this, can you? You think Israel is killing as many Palestinians as possible? Why would they want to do that?

[TeeYiYi]

11. That's a good question...

re: "Why would they want to do that?"

...because they are doing exactly that. Short of dropping a nuke, they're systematically killing as many Palestinian men, women and children as they can get away with on a daily basis, without risking the tenuous support of their allies.

TYY

[oberliner]

13. Systematically killing as many Palestinians as they can get away with?

Again - if that is what you believe they are doing - why do you think they would engage in this behavior? How does it help them? What is the point from the Israeli perspective?

[TeeYiYi]

32. That's my question to you...

Your posts, the ones I've noticed, seem to be reasoned and thoughtful contributions to a difficult dialog. I have no earthly idea why Israel is proceeding in the way that it is.

I was hoping that you could shine a fresh light on it for me. Help me to understand why, in the name of "war," that Israel would continue with such a drawn out and lopsided 'battle' with Gaza.

I don't think it's helping Israel's standing from a global perspective and I haven't a clue what the goal might be from Israel's perspective. From my perspective, it appears to be a callous, murderous, expedited land grab.

The sheer horror of it reminds me of America's shame when they attacked Iraq with "Shock and Awe." Can you imagine the global reaction if America tried something like this with Mexico City?

TYY

[oberliner]

34. Here are my thoughts

Israel wants to destroy all the Hamas tunnels and rocket launchers because they threaten Israeli citizens. In doing so, they have a very callous attitude with respect to any Palestinian civilians who might get killed in the process. They also think they are justified in killing people they feel are active in Hamas and destroying buildings that are used by that group in any way. In doing so, they again are not particularly bothered if any civilians are killed while achieving those objectives. I think Israel should be whole-heartedly condemned for their clear lack of concern for Palestinian civilians, but I don't think it's fair to say that Israel is simply killing as many Palestinian civilians as they can indiscriminately for no particular reason. I also think Hamas bears some responsibility for continuing to shoot rockets at Israel which, in my view, does nothing to protect the Palestinians in Gaza, and, in fact, puts them at greater risk. Without question, though, the fact that so many Palestinian civilians (particularly children) have been killed by Israeli forces is thoroughly condemnable. The leadership of Israel and those who support the manner in which this attack has been carried out ought to be ashamed of themselves. As I said in an earlier post, the reality of what is happening is bad enough without exaggeration and false hyperbole.

[TeeYiYi]

40. Thank you for your reply...

Destroying the tunnels as a preemptive strike against the potential for future terrorism, directed toward Israel, is a legitimate Israeli military goal.

Israel/US has the most advanced and strategic weaponry and armed forces in the world. Not using more military precision in their effort to destroy tunnels and rocket launchers leaves Israel's motives open to interpretation.

Collateral damage; the indiscriminate killing of helpless, trapped civilians in the Gaza Strip invites well deserved global condemnation.

If it walks like a land grab and talks like a land grab, it's probably a land grab. A heartless, naked, cold and calculated land grab.

TYY

[oberliner]

42. And thanks for yours

It's clear we have some areas of agreement and some areas of disagreement.

I think your claim that "not using more military precision in their effort to destroy tunnels and rocket launchers leaves Israel's motives open to interpretation" is a reasonable one. The Israeli-side would counter by saying that Hamas is deliberately firing from areas where it knows return-fire would lead to civilian casualties. My own view is that Israel should not fire into areas where there are civilians even if Hamas attacks came from those areas. However I do not think that Israel's motives is to kill said civilians just to kill them. I think they feel it is an unavoidable consequence of the way Hamas fights them (which is why their "human shield" argument). That being said, they should not (in my view) fire at Hamas targets if they know there could be civilians (especially children) killed in the process.

I disagree with you on the "land grab" comment as I do not think there is any evidence to suggest that is the case with respect to Gaza. That is land that Israel really does not want anything to do with, as evidenced by the fact that they pulled out all settlements, troops, and infrastructure almost a decade ago. The "land grab" argument holds more weight with respect to the West Bank which is a different situation altogether.

[TeeYiYi]

46. They may not be...

...intentionally targeting civilians, per se, but they are definitely not exhibiting any discretion in trying to avoid them. It appears that they just don't really care about the killing and that's what makes the continued carnage so despicable.

Those tunnels could be drilled and filled from the Israel side without ever crossing the border above ground. I believe that Israel has more humanitarian military options available to them for border protection if they choose. For some inexplicable reason, they've chosen a path of destruction that pays no mind to the basic civil and human rights of their fellow human beings.

It's a humanitarian FAIL on an epic scale.

TYY

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

55. To maintain the Likud in power.

It ensures that Palestinians will turn to Hamas and creates future generations of wannabe rocket users. With that boogeyman in place, Netanyahu and the Likud are sitting pretty.

It's the same thing our RW warmongers/fearmongers do, creating boogeymen so that they can torture, kill, kidnap, funnel vast sums of money to war profiteers, and spy domestically on Americans.

Without the 'terraists', far more Americans would be against all of that.

It's not about helping Israel. It's about helping extreme RW politicians. And regular Israelis are being bamboozled just like regular Americans.

[oberliner]

57. Doubtful

With all due respect, I don't think you present an accurate depiction of the way politics works in Israel. They have a very different system than we do here in the US.

For example, did you know that Israels current government is made up of a coalition of four different political parties? And it's a very narrow one at that.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

58. I don't know the speicifics, but I did know it was a coalition gov't.

My vague assumption there is that it's similar to the way NZ does gov't, where National or Labour usually have to get one or more of the smaller parties like the Greens or NZ First to side with them to get the majority to form a government.

With so many Israelis on board, I doubt Netanyahu has to worry about a no confidence vote any time soon either.

[oberliner]

59. That's basically right

I would argue that Netanyahu actually believes that the attack of Gaza was necessary to protect Israel. I think that he thinks - Hamas is threatening Israel, they need to be preventing from doing so, this is the only way to accomplish that. I certainly don't agree with his POV and I condemn him wholeheartedly for the callous disregard for civilians (especially children) but I believe that is where he and Likud are coming from. I would point out that there have been incursions into Gaza led by Israeli governments that did not include Likud.

[whereisjustice]

17. Israel using flechette shells in Gaza

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israel-using-flechette-shells-in-gaza

[oberliner]

19. The munitions are not prohibited under international humanitarian law

That's from the link you provided.

[stranger81]

21. They do, however, undercut Israel's claim to be acting in such a way as to

minimize civilian casualties.

[oberliner]

23. Indeed it does

But there is a difference between calling BS on Israel's claim to be acting in a way to minimize civilian casualties and making the claim that Israel is trying to kill as many civilians as it possibly can.

[whereisjustice]

22. what you meant was, "the legality of flechette munitions was upheld by the Israeli supreme court"

B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation, describes a flechette shell as "an anti-personnel weapon that is generally fired from a tank. The shell explodes in the air and releases thousands of metal darts 37.5mm in length, which disperse in a conical arch 300 metres long and about 90 metres wide".

The munitions are not prohibited under international humanitarian law, but according to B'Tselem, "other rules of humanitarian law render their use in the Gaza Strip illegal. One of the most fundamental principles is the obligation to distinguish between those who are involved and those who are not involved in the fighting, and to avoid to the extent possible injury to those who are not involved. Deriving from this principle is the prohibition of the use of an imprecise weapon which is likely to result in civilian injuries."

From the link I provided.

[oberliner]

24. No, I wrote what I meant

"The munitions are not prohibited under international humanitarian law" is the first sentence of the second paragraph you excerpted above.

[whereisjustice]

29. "other rules of humanitarian law render their use in the Gaza Strip illegal"

from the link I posted.

[oberliner]

37. That is true

I'd support a call for Israel to stop using them in Gaza, certainly.

[whereisjustice]

31. nuclear weapons are not banned under humanitarian law

http://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-law/weapons/overview-weapons.htm

[oberliner]

38. They should be!

But that's another story. Anyway, I agree with you - Israel shouldn't use those munitions in Gaza.

[Rex]

12. Seriously, there is no moral equivalency to a body count.

It is just a potential body count to some, others see it as victory. There is not way to rationalized murder in the name of X.

[Nye Bevan]

20. If Hamas moved their rockets and weapons away from schools, hospitals, and areas with civilians,

that would probably be a better way to reduce the civilian casualties.

Better yet, of course, would be to stop the rocket attacks altogether.

[Maedhros]

27. Nothing that Hamas does justifies the killing of children by the Israelis.

Nothing.

[former9thward]

45. Nothing that Israel does justifies the Hamas rocket attacks into Israeli civilians.

(Including children). Nothing. Nothing justifies the terrorist tunnels into Israel. Nothing.

[DanTex]

53. True. Both Israel and Hamas are essentially engaged in terrorism and violence against civilians.

Neither one justifies the other. Both should be condemned. Of course, Israel has killed some 10 to 100 times more civilians as Hamas in this latest round of violence, but that doesn't make what Hamas did OK.

[ladjf]

30. Personally, I'm not convinced that Israel itself is behind the

rocket launches. I have no evidence to back up that belief. However, it just makes no sense that Hamas would continue to give Israel the exact excuse they need to continue with their murdering rampage.

[2naSalit]

35. I have the same

thought process going on. I distrust Israel to the point that I suspect them of firing the munitions from both sides to further their pogrom of inhabiting 100% of the landmass and forcibly removing all Palestinians one way or another... and with our government/MIC's blessing.

[onenote]

68. Baghdad Bob lives!!

I've read some bizarre things on DU over the years, but claiming that Israel is the one firing rockets at Israel, not Hamas takes the cake.

Really? Did Israel sneak into Gaza and plant the rockets that the UN found at one of their vacant schools (and turned over to the "local authorities" --i.e., Hamas)? Did Israel impersonate the spokesmen for Hamas who took credit for the long range rockets fired into Israel? Did Hamas refuse to agree to a ceasefire that would prevent them from firing rockets because they weren't really firing rockets?

I now have read it all.

[Fred Sanders]

39. 0 Recs., false equivalency is hilarious.

[oberliner]

47. "false equivalency is hilarious"

Wow - can I quote you on that?

[Vattel]

60. I don't believe that the Israeli government and military is trying to kill civilians.

But they are attacking military targets in a way that is murderous because of the number of civilians who are foreseeably killed. Their policy is to minimize the loss of Israeli life regardless of how many innocent Palestinian lives that might cost. They are mass murderers.

[Larkspur]

61. Hamas rockets are not a mortal threat to the state of Israel, but Arab and Palestinian

birthrates are.

Israeli propaganda, which has recently been influence by Republican media consultant Frank Luntz, tries to paint Hamas as an adversary with equal military capability as Israel. That is just plain fiction. Israeli political and military leaders publicly praise the technological marvel of the Iron Dome missile defense system, which has effectively stopped incoming missiles 86% of the time. Most of Hamas’ rockets, if not shot down by this system, land harmlessly in the desert.

Israeli military spokesman Avichay Adraee has publicly trumpeted to his 119,000 Arabic followers via Twitter that Hamas’ rockets are ‘weak,’ a ‘failure’ and that the threat these rockets pose to Israeli citizens is exaggerated by Hamas.

So contrary to what Israeli politicians publicly say in English, Hamas’ rockets aren’t a mortal threat to the state of Israel. However, an increasing number of Israeli Jews view Arab and Palestinian birthrates as a major threat to the security of the Jewish state. Maybe that is why we’re starting to hear justifications for genocide or “final solutions” for the Palestinians from Israelis and the cheer-leading of the slaughter of Palestinians from Israeli towns, like Sderot, which was once the home of some Gazans many years ago.

[whereisjustice]

63. Interesting... the same PR strategy worked as we slaughtered in Iraq, the US public worked into a

frothy blood-lust convinced of the lie that Iraq orchestrated the 9/11 attacks and was ready to bomb the US with nuclear weapons.

Just look at the fucking mess that giant well documented war crime created.

Israel has just given birth to 10,000 more fighters who will stop at nothing in pursuit of revenge.

[WinkyDink]

64. Iraq did nothing to the United States ever.

[whereisjustice]

65. And Israel has done nothing to the Palestinians ever?

Using your logic, we have an obligation to bomb Texas for harboring some of the most violent extremists in the country, real terrorists responsible for dozens of murders over the last decade. The same with Arizona, Florida, etc.