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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHamas versus IDF military strength
IDF
Tanks - 3, 870
Armoured vehicles - 9,436
Self propelled guns (artillery) - 706
Towed artillery - 350
Multiple launch rocket systems - 88
Fighter-interceptors - 243
Fixed wing aircraft - 244
Helicopters - 143
Attack helicopters - 48
Lots of ships, lots of ammo, bombs, missiles, etc.
All proudly Made in America, paid for by YOU.
HAMAS
Home made rockets, number unknown
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=israel
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)on the powerful threat to his security,Hamas. Congress soon thereafter sends MILLIONS of our Tax Dollars to Israel as a reward.
Are we missing something BIG here?
Warn the POTUS about 'interference' in a Humanitarian Crisis, US Congress sends you money???
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Most were supplied by Iran, Syria, Lybia other non-state actors. A good deal made in Russia. Many, now, are longer range - capable of hitting Tel Aviv and other central Israeli cities. Hamas has actually bragged about their stock of Syrian M-302 missiles.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)To drop bombs on UN shelters. Anybody notice the influx of one agenda posters? I have.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the propaganda is massive and turning out to be quite useless contrasted with the cordwoods of telegenically dead, and
the lunar landscape of Gaza City and now Rafah.
Missing soldiers are much more useful in killing sprees than dead soldiers is another lesson I have
learned from the Propaganda Masters of Israel.
The most dangerous place to be in Gaza is near children.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We cannot use the word genocide. And you can kill as many kids as you want as long as you say there was a terrorist using them as shields. Oh, and you can get three billion dollars and then twll the guy who authorized it to fuck off and not ever second guess you again. And everybody who blames the guy pulling the trigger for the dead bodies is an antisemite or someone who "just doesn't get it'.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)And by the logic here, if Israel returned indiscriminate rocket fire with the same, you'd be fine with it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)provided 17 times by the school?
Twice.
Not to mention other schools, power plants, the only university, marketplaces, homes, places of worship, boys on beaches?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)How many Israeli civilians did Hamas murder since this mess started? How many Palestinians have the Israelis murdered--over 1000.
No one is agreeing with your propaganda point.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Um, yeah.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)have raided Osama bin Laden's compound armed with anything more than box cutters.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)"Wait, hang on! You shot and killed the guy who just shot at you but missed! How fair is that?"
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)(at the breakneck rate of a few dozen a day) are perfectly comfortable with providing cover for those who openly call for the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.
Their double standards betray them.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Israel knows Palestine's arsenal.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)you would think Hamas would have a better strategy than to take them on and provoke attacks
2naSalit
(86,636 posts)just how many of those Hamas rockets are really actually fired by Hamas...?
Just wondering.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)*rolls eyes*
Here's another thought so few are willing to consider: What if the ineptitude, disregard for their own people and shoddy weapons means a significant percentage of the civilian casualties come from Hamas rockets landing in Gaza?
onenote
(42,704 posts)And when it refuses to agree to a cease fire under which it would stop firing rockets into Israel, its because it doesn't do that?
Seriously -- are you related to Baghdad Bob?
IronGate
(2,186 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Actually no, they make most of their own weapons and are a major arms exporter.
Main battle tank, Israeli made Merkava (Chariot)
Small arms-main assault rifle: IMI Tavor TAR-21
Navy: Israeli built except for their subs which come from Germany.
We do supply them fighters and helicopters and some advanced munitions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Israel
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)They have largely been unsuccessful, but its clear that they are dedicated to trying.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Thanks.
delete_bush
(1,712 posts)Really?
Care to prove the rockets are "home made"?
I'm sure I'll hear back from you. NOT.
A completely worthless post, only confirming the desperation of those defending HAMAS.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe the poster should google "Fajr-5".
delete_bush
(1,712 posts)and is out of here by 10:40am, clearly not interested in any sort of discussion. If this were an independent forum where folks of all political persuasions could post I'd call him a troll.
LostInAnomie
(14,428 posts)Hamas must be a fine collection of idiots.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)LostInAnomie
(14,428 posts)... with an exhausted bear across the ocean. America also had another bear willing to help them. But, metaphor is running thin.
Getting back to the main point. If you are outmatched in every possible way with no actual plan for winning, it's probably not a good idea to lob rockets into the territory of one of the most powerful armies in the world. This is especially true if you are going to be lobbing these rockets from densely packed population centers.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)LostInAnomie
(14,428 posts)... and take a bunch of others with them, they can consider it a total success.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)onenote
(42,704 posts)Yeah. A bunch of guys sitting around in a basement have manufactured rockets out of old fourth of july fireworks and toilet paper rolls.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)All ya gotta do is count
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Just a few weeks ago they were claiming how those rockets threatened Israel's very existence. Even now, they want Hamas exterminated because they are such a big threat - "they want to kill all the Jews!".
If Hamas is so "weak and stupid" then why is Israel murdering over a thousand innocent civilians to get to them? How is this weak group considered a threat to all the Jews in Israel?
The apologists have to abandon all logic and morality to support the evil that Israel is doing in Gaza. It is a sad thing to behold.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)the terror org Hamas hides among the civilian population, hides their rockets in civilian areas, use civilians as human shields.
Maybe the terror org Hamas should think twice next time before taking on a military that's much better equipped than they are.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Your post contains more BS than a cattle ranch.
And you didn't address my post, you tried as usual to change the subject.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)The terror org Hamas hides among the civilian population.
The terror org Hamas hides it's munitions among the civilian population, including UN schools.
The terror org Hamas fires it's rockets into Israel from civilian areas.
Those are facts, no matter how much you want to ignore it .
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The kids the Israelis murdered on the beach weren't human shields. The people in the UN refugee shelters weren't human shields. They were murdered in cold blood by Israel.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)these are rockets supplied by Iran, Syria, etc.