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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPartial list of racist college sports teams names; racism is a cultural message hammered home daily.
This is just the Native American racist names:
Amateur and school teamsEdit
Colleges and universities
Current Usage
Alcorn State University Lorman, Mississippi (Braves) Logo is a large A, no indication of Native American imagery being used.
Bacone College Muskogee, Oklahoma (Warriors) was founded as a Cherokee Baptist Mission school and retains a connection to several tribes.[5]
Bradley University Peoria, Illinois (Braves)
Central Michigan University Mount Pleasant, Michigan (Chippewas)
Chowan University Murfreesboro, North Carolina (Braves)
Florida State University Tallahassee, Florida (Seminoles) Use of the Seminole name and imagery is supported by representatives of the Seminole Tribe of Florida and some members of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, two of three federally recognized Seminole tribes.[6]
University of Hawaii at Manoa (Hawaiʻi Rainbow Warriors) and (Rainbow Wahine) Since 2000, each team has been allowed to select its own mascot name; most notably, the football team has been simply known as "The Warriors".
Mississippi College Clinton, Mississippi (Choctaws)
Ottawa University Ottawa, Kansas (Braves)
San Diego State University San Diego, California (Aztecs)
University of North Carolina at Pembroke (Braves) representing a college originally created to educate American Indians
University of Utah Salt Lake City, Utah (Utes)
Prior Usage
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign have removed all official university sanction of Native American imagery, but unofficially, still widely used by students and fans there is considerable controversy over whether the term "Illini" as originally used at the university was directly related to Native American culture at all, or whether the imagery was added after the fact; documentation tends to indicate that "Illini" refers to the state of Illinois itself and not its indigenous peoples.[7]
Eastern Michigan University Hurons changed to Eagles in 1991.
Texas Tech University Red Raiders have never used Native American imagery.
University of North Dakota dropped its Fighting Sioux nickname in 2012.
William & Mary Tribe no longer uses any imagery related to indigenous peoples
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_team_names_and_mascots_derived_from_indigenous_peoples
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"Reparation" would include getting rid of these cultural ghosts of hate and colonization, otherwise it is all still being subtly encouraged. Repairing the damage of the past is not reverse discrimination, it is just and it costs nothing but a change in attitude.
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"Many teams and fans support the continued use of these names as a long-standing tradition, and citing public opinion polls indicating the names are not offensive to a majority, including Native Americans. The usual statement is that "We are honoring Indians with our mascot", which is disputed for many reasons:[3]
Why, if the intention is to "honor," are non-Indian schools themselves not named, more often, after an Indian leader? Why is it just the schools' mascots?
If having an "Indian" mascot is a way of "honoring" Indians, why are not other entire racial groups scrambling to be so honored?
Is it possible that there's a subconscious cultural pathology involved in White people who decimated Indian culture turning around and making them and their culture a mascot for sporting events?
Is making Indians into one-dimensional mascots a not-so-subtle way of further humiliating Indians while using the language of "honor" to hide that fact, even from ourselves?
Why, if the intention is to "honor" Indian heritage is that same heritage put into the position of being dishonored by the opposing team and fans at a sporting event?
Isn't the premise upon which a mascot is chosen based more on expressing one's power to defeat the opponent than to 'honor' the mascot itself.
Is it possible that the use of the term "honoring" is simply a way to delude oneself into thinking that taking someone else's culture and trivializing it at a sporting event is acceptable?
Do your students integrate into the school's life and curriculum the study of Indian sovereignty issues, US abrogation of treaty obligations, forced removals, Wounded Knee, or the long trail of suffering we who make them our mascots exacted on American Indians?
Is it possible that the fact that "Indians" are used so often as mascots while other racial groups are not, is simply a reflection of modern day White privilege exercising its majority power over a small, relatively powerless minority?
If one is truly "honoring" Indians by using their imagery as a sport mascot, why does that "honoring" not extend to hearing the representative Indian organizations express the desire not to be stereotyped as violent and "savage" and not to have their sacred culture used for fun and games? Where is the "honoring" in turning a deaf ear to these concerns?
Is not the real purpose of a mascot to put fear in the opponent, provide the fans with a means for smashing the opponent's team? Does placing Indian culture in that position "honor" that culture or perpetuate TV Western's stereotype of American Indians?
How is it not paternalistic to say one is "honoring" Indians by using "Indian" mascots when it has stated clearly that such use of Indian imagery and logos in public school mascots is offensive and harmful to Indian students?
How can one defend using an "Indian" mascot by pointing to approval by a single Indian student or a single Indian teacher when the Congress of American Indians, the National Indian Education Association, the Society of Indian Psychologists, and many other Tribal organizations have urged educators to re-think and retire these images?"
Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)If having an "Indian" mascot is a way of "honoring" Indians, why are not other entire racial groups scrambling to be so honored?
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You left these off the list:
Vikings
Fighting Irish
Steelers
Yankees
Padres
Berke Breathed came up with a word that fits this debate. Offensitivity. How some people can be offended by an honor amazes me. I stand with all the Native Americans who don't give a shit about this. I am offended by Redskins and that grinning mascot of the Cleveland team, however. Still, I can easily live with the dropping of these names. Just make it universal. In other words, assign numbers to teams, otherwise someone somewhere will be offended.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)it simply that white Americans do not care? You are not standing with anyone but yourself, I would argue.
Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)Use of the Seminole name and imagery is supported by representatives of the Seminole Tribe of Florida and some members of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, two of three federally recognized Seminole tribes.
alp227
(32,020 posts)"Steelers" a racial group? Could it be that Pittsburgh is part of the industrial belt (well, since NAFTA not really).
From what I've read, Notre Dame adopted "Fighting Irish" based on the Irish-American heritage of the university student body.
The San Diego Padres are named after the Spanish Catholic missionaries in CA.
Seriously, comparing "Yankees" to the Native American mascots? That's a paddlin'.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)They used to be called the Pirates! Should we add Pirates to that list?
Here is a little bit about the history of the Steelers logo: from Wikipedia.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Native American team names are considered an honor by most Native Americans.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)Pete Rose, who got sliced diced and jullianed by the media for gambling.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)Assuming this is the right guy, I don't see what his crimes are.
treestar
(82,383 posts)All cultures have them.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)a race, so.......
Igel
(35,300 posts)They were an empire. A few different tribes under a mythical banner, but the grouping varied over time. The language "Aztec" was an exonym, it's Nahuatl spoken by the Nahua.
In San Diego to a large extent the name is like calling the Houston Texans the "Texans." That's sort of the population. A lot of Mexicans, not just Mexica, tend to view that particular bloody empire as their patrimony--even if their ancestors were members of tribes subjugated by the Aztec empire. Rather like Irish Anglophiles or Algerian Francophiles, if you ask me, a search for current dignity in a vision of some sort of anachronistic historical greatness.
In the same way the descendants of the Vikings and Vandals are still around. They call themselves Swedes or Danes or Irish or English (remember the Danelaw?). The Normans are the same, an "extinct" "race" that still has a lot of descendants.
Personally can't think of the Irish or Highlanders as insulting names. Even if I don't believe in leprechauns, I'm not prickly enough to personalize everything. If I were, I'd be outraged at the representation of the US as "Uncle Sam," obviously an intent by foreign agents to mock the average American and whose true origins obviously can't possibly be as usually taught.
In other words, it's pretty much a tried and true observation that you always find what you look for, even if you're the only one that thinks so.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They are trying to sound frightening and strong.
Our favorite baseball team is the Philadelphia Phillies. Who could be scared of a team of Phillies? What are Phillies? They sound cute and furry. And Cardinals, Blue Jays and Orioles.
I like the ones named after their area - Packers and Steelers. Mariners is cool. Or the Rockies.
The Dodgers sound like they would be avoiding the game.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The cultural substitute for actual Hunger Games would not put up with it.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Way to go, Oregon.
Igel
(35,300 posts)Chess as a simulacrum of war. And we think video games that are war-surrogates are new.
The pugilistic art. Even Mesoamerican ball games were ritualized combat. Gladiators. Ways to show prowess, virtue/virility, stamina, skill and bravery.
Rather a long ways from Hannibal to Jeopardy, or even "Weakest Link." Still, as we've moved from physical to mental competition, we've gone from Hannibal to football and soccer, and from strategy and real mental competition to "The Price is Right" and other such banalities. Showing our true prowess, stamina, skill, and bravery.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)College hangs to as much of 1840 as it can -- guys in suits, lecturing to big rooms, writing on white boards (or blackboards), everyone taking notes, frat and sorority stuff, funny hats with tassels, choir robes, etc etc. They are selling a brand (often tied to their basketball or football operation) and nostalgia for the time when a college degree made a big difference.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And so do most Native Americans I know, as polls continue to suggest.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I always thought the Texas Tech Red Raiders were cowboys too long in the sun. Anyway, they are always wearing masks and wearing guns, so who knows?