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GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:46 PM Apr 2012

Dear American Tax Payer: I am grateful for the meals you provide. Thank you.

Ah, hello there reader. I was hoping you would stop by. I wanted to thank you for my dinner last night. You didn't know you kept me from going hungry, did you? Well, you did.

You see, I'm a North Carolina Food and Nutritions Benefits recipient. Read Foodstamps. I depend on Foodstamps to get by. If it were not for that I would have literally nothing to eat.

You might say "Don't you mean dear 'government'?" No. I don't The Government set up the Food and Nutrition Benefits through the Department of Social Services. But it's taxpayer money that funds it. As far as I no no politician spends a single dime of his or her own private money to fund EBT benefits. (If you happen to know impirically that one of them does I urge you not to hesitate to post a link so I can post a thread thanking him or her as well.)

I'm very serious about my gratitude to those who pay their taxes and provide me with meals. This is not a joke or some tongue in cheek slight. Were it not for you ladies and gentlemen I would practically starve as would untold other Americans who are out of work or do not have enough work, or can't pay for enough food for themselves or their dependents.

I know paying taxes is a bitter pill to swallow. And I know in this country the taxpayer has little to no control over where their tax dollars go. But if it were up to me and I had the say over the little bit of taxes I pay, being unemployed, go- I'd put most of it into programs like the EBT program.

Some people reading this might be cynical enough to call people like myself that live off the public purse leechers or parasites. I'm not saying that in some cases people are not receiving public benefits who shouldn't be. It was the same with the food bundles that my church used to give out every Wednesday, which I participated in. Many of the people getting those bundles had plenty to eat. Many more did NOT. In most cases people like myself receiving public food and nutrition benefits aren't looking for a handout, just a hand up. The real parasites are the ones on Wall Street who make it necessary for American Tax dollars to feed the unemployed. Their destructive and self serving financial and economic policies have led to declines in employments for years now.

So I say to you, Sir or Madam Tax Payer: Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I appreciate the fact that because of your sacrifice, I have a little to eat each month. Please don't be uptset at myself and those like us. We're trying. In the meantime we thank you. In fact, reader-if you benefit from Foodstamps or another public service provided by the taxpayer purse and you want to express your gratitude please leave a reply with a thumbs up emote in it so everyone who reads this can see that you're grateful as I am.

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Dear American Tax Payer: I am grateful for the meals you provide. Thank you. (Original Post) GopperStopper2680 Apr 2012 OP
Much rather have my tax dollars go to people who are hungry than war in Iraq, that's for sure. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #1
+1 tanyev Apr 2012 #18
Amen to that! The Genealogist Apr 2012 #20
Me Three Blue Owl Apr 2012 #36
For my part, you are most welcome The Traveler Apr 2012 #2
Thank you my friend. I appreciate it. GopperStopper2680 Apr 2012 #3
Thank you for your replies so far. GopperStopper2680 Apr 2012 #4
I don't care if anyone games the system. tkmorris Apr 2012 #5
I will support these programs with a song in my heart. Smilo Apr 2012 #11
Someone gets a few extra dollars, big deal nxylas Apr 2012 #49
.... ceile Apr 2012 #6
There is no reason for anybody to go hungry in the wealthiest nation on Earth. Chan790 Apr 2012 #7
I believe your's and handmade34 Apr 2012 #8
I never though of Gov. assistance this way before. Thanks for opening my eyes! Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #61
no easy answers, well... JOBS! handmade34 Apr 2012 #62
i'm more than happy to do my part.. frylock Apr 2012 #9
I know lots of people don't like anything that sounds like a biblical quote, "there but by the grace sad sally Apr 2012 #10
That is a lovely quote........... sad Smilo Apr 2012 #12
They're too worried about being right, and making a big deal about their being "Good Christians" The Genealogist Apr 2012 #22
The greatest shame in this country of vast wealth is that there are *any* hungry people.. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #13
No one need ever thank me for that, it is my pleasure and my privilege davidthegnome Apr 2012 #14
I'm so sorry to hear about your job renate Apr 2012 #28
Thank you all for your replies and Recs. GopperStopper2680 Apr 2012 #15
I'd like to thank the taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania liberaltrucker Apr 2012 #16
I am most grateful that I am able to help out. meti57b Apr 2012 #17
Same here. Thanks to all. My wife and I get food stamps, only 40 a month but it helps BoWanZi Apr 2012 #19
I am on the verge of filing for food stamps. RebelOne Apr 2012 #45
me, too... whoopingcrone Apr 2012 #21
Some of us NEED that help The Genealogist Apr 2012 #23
You're welcome but go easy on the fries. rug Apr 2012 #24
rec Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #25
I never begrudged anybody a meal and never felt bitter about paying taxes magical thyme Apr 2012 #26
I don't have a problem with paying taxes varelse Apr 2012 #27
I wish you good luck in getting back on your feet badtoworse Apr 2012 #29
GopperStopper, you just gave me a reason to feel good about paying my taxes. THANK YOU and BIG HUG!! DesertDiamond Apr 2012 #30
When I was thirteen OnionPatch Apr 2012 #31
I get food benefits. But I don`t consider it Flying Squirrel Apr 2012 #32
I have never thought those that receive help were "sponging off the system." unapatriciated Apr 2012 #57
You're very welcome, Grasshopper ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2012 #33
K & R, Royal Sloan 09 Apr 2012 #34
Thank you. lupinella Apr 2012 #35
I DON'T want to spend my tax money on drones and bombs, food, good! joanbarnes Apr 2012 #37
See, this is what's wrong with America WoodyD Apr 2012 #38
To which I say.... Turbineguy Apr 2012 #39
You are not alone in this thank you. I am eternally grateful to US taxpayers who have helped me jwirr Apr 2012 #40
K&R! DocMac Apr 2012 #41
Your welcome bpositive Apr 2012 #42
No thanks needed - I know you will do the same for others when circumstances improve bawieland Apr 2012 #43
Glad we still have a safety net to help you. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #44
Maybe the feds should add EC Apr 2012 #46
Or donate $1 to programs to help fund the "Food Stamp" budget! gateley Apr 2012 #54
Well, I figured EC Apr 2012 #59
That's a nice post. Need more public education as to what taxes do. jtuck004 Apr 2012 #47
Very Timely for me! AnnieK401 Apr 2012 #48
Good morning. K&R Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #50
You're welcome lunatica Apr 2012 #51
It is my pleasure. I mean that. lapislzi Apr 2012 #52
Here's a little vignette that fully supports your OP chervilant Apr 2012 #53
I would rather fund social programs than wars any day with my taxes emsimon33 Apr 2012 #55
You are welcome. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #56
K&R...and you are more than welcome. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #58
My honor and privilege. nolabear Apr 2012 #60
k&r nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #63
K&R Tarheel_Dem Apr 2012 #64

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
1. Much rather have my tax dollars go to people who are hungry than war in Iraq, that's for sure.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:51 PM
Apr 2012

Or to oil subsidies.

Best wishes.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
20. Amen to that!
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:09 PM
Apr 2012

I'd rather money be spent on sustaining life than ending it. And I'd rather see those who need food get it than rich people further enriched when they do NOT need it.

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
2. For my part, you are most welcome
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:52 PM
Apr 2012

Any of us can get knocked down. That's why we need to pool some of our resources, thereby to help our fellows stand back up. And while I appreciate your expression of gratitude to tax payers like myself, I have to observe it does not sound like you are having a wonderful time, a nice relaxing vacation, or anything. Sounds to me like things are pretty rough, and you would much rather be on your feet, making your way, and chipping into that pool of resources for the next guy.

Hoping it is that way for you soon, friend. Until then, and after ... solidarity.

Trav

 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
3. Thank you my friend. I appreciate it.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:58 PM
Apr 2012

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them completely. And I was utterly honest in the meaning behind my message.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
5. I don't care if anyone games the system.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:59 PM
Apr 2012

I really don't. Oh if I happen to see one doing so in person I will be the first person to step up and shame them for it. Loudly. Relentlessly. Mercilessly.

In general though as long as programs like this exist, there will be scammers. Scammers are ubiquitous. It doesn't matter. As long as there are people out there who need the assistance (and where has there ever not been) I will support these programs with a song in my heart.

K&R

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
11. I will support these programs with a song in my heart.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:11 PM
Apr 2012

You and me both tk.

Growing up we relied on the equivalent of food stamps - and we (8 of us children) all turned out fine and are all productive members of our respective communities.

I wish these naysayers would walk a mile in another's shoes - but they just go on thinking they are untouchable and nothing will ever happen to them.

As for the scammers - yes they are everywhere, but seem to be quite prevalent in Congress and among the 1%.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
49. Someone gets a few extra dollars, big deal
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:16 AM
Apr 2012

Even if every single welfare recipient gets twice as much as they're entitled to, it's still a drop in the ocean compared to the trillions in corporate welfare scammed by the 1%.

ceile

(8,692 posts)
6. ....
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:00 PM
Apr 2012

You are right- there are those that take advantage of the system. And you know what? I.Don't.Care. That money is there for those that need it. There are always going to be those who work the system, but in the long run it doesn't matter because of the good it will do for those in true need.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
7. There is no reason for anybody to go hungry in the wealthiest nation on Earth.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:02 PM
Apr 2012

I'd much rather feed EBT recipients than subsidize industry.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
8. I believe your's and
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:03 PM
Apr 2012

the greater point here is that "government" is not some obscure boogeyman... our United States government is our collective will and actions as we direct them.

I have never for a second thought anything other than that my taxes go to benefit(?) the whole. I do not agree with many of the programs that my tax money goes to but there are many that I am very supportive of. This is what community is about: give and take, cooperation and sometimes sacrifice and sometimes needed assistance.

I have been both on the receiving end, and the giving end, of our government programs. I don't believe the people of DU are the citizens deriding the use of food stamps. ...my complaint is that many people don't truly understand what transfer payments and other assistance programs do for our money system as a whole... just imagine what would happen to both local and chain grocery stores if no one had foodstamps to buy food anymore???? I would suggest that many businesses (including farmers) would suffer greatly. The same with Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and others...

GS2680... enjoy your meal tonight and no need to thank me or anyone else... just pass it on by giving someone you pass a big smile!

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
61. I never though of Gov. assistance this way before. Thanks for opening my eyes!
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:40 PM
Apr 2012

"just imagine what would happen to both local and chain grocery stores if no one had foodstamps to buy food anymore???? I would suggest that many businesses (including farmers) would suffer greatly. The same with Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and others... "

Obama should mention this to everyone. Dems and for sure Repubs. It would be an eye/heart opener.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
62. no easy answers, well... JOBS!
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:07 PM
Apr 2012

"...We know that every dollar spent in food stamps actually generates $1.50 spent in the community. In other words, as families use their food stamps they spent more in the community and help the economy..."

"...What are automatic stabilizers? Automatic stabilizers are taxes and transfers such as unemployment compensation and food stamps that automatically change with changes in economic conditions in a way that dampens economic cycles. For example, when the economy turns downward, the amount spent on food stamps automatically goes up as more people apply or eligibility rules are eased. The extra spending the food stamps generates helps to soften the downturn for the individuals receiving the help, and also benefits the businesses and employees where the money is spent (and the multiplier process spreads the benefits more widely). Similarly, unemployment compensation, which obviously rises as jobs are eliminated, goes up when conditions deteriorate and this also provides a boost to demand..."

also...



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-39740408/the-importance-of-automatic-stabilizers-to-the-economy/
http://business380.com/2012/03/11/spending-and-the-local-economy/

frylock

(34,825 posts)
9. i'm more than happy to do my part..
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:03 PM
Apr 2012

i'd rather my tax dollars went to help and benefit more people such as yourself.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
10. I know lots of people don't like anything that sounds like a biblical quote, "there but by the grace
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:08 PM
Apr 2012

of God go I." So many people need a helping hand, so many of us would like more of the taxes we pay to go to help those in need rather than on weapons.

You have my Father's blessing! Inherit
the kingdom prepared for you. For

I was hungry and you gave me food;
I was thirsty and you gave me a drink;
I was a stranger and you welcomed me;
I was naked and you clothed me;
I was ill and you comforted me;
I was in prison and you came to visit me."

Then the just will ask Him,
"Lord, when did we do such things to you?"
And the Son of Man will answer them:
"I assure you, as often you did any of these things
for the least of your brothers, you did it for me."

(Matthew 25:31-46)

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
12. That is a lovely quote........... sad
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:12 PM
Apr 2012

that so many "religious fundies" forget about that part of Jesus.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
22. They're too worried about being right, and making a big deal about their being "Good Christians"
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:12 PM
Apr 2012

They don't have time for Hippie Liberal Jesus, just for Supply Side Jesus.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
13. The greatest shame in this country of vast wealth is that there are *any* hungry people..
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:36 PM
Apr 2012

If we ever live up to the great promise that is America, someone please tell me when it happens, because it hasn't happened yet.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
14. No one need ever thank me for that, it is my pleasure and my privilege
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:39 PM
Apr 2012

Though I suppose since I recently lost my job I haven't been a tax payer for... two weeks. We are all in this together, I've needed help before myself, if we can't lean on each other when we need it than what the hell kind of people are we anyway? I was on food stamps in my late teens, with two children to support.. I know how it is. I too, am grateful that the program was in place to keep me and my family from going hungry every day. I too, am grateful to the American tax payers for having funded this program.

I wish we spent less of our tax money on huge military budgets, absurd congress salaries, hand outs for corporations and so on. Rather, we should be focused on taking care of our people - our greatest asset. Your post is inspiring and heart warming, gracious as well as grateful. I thank you, for sharing your gratitude and touching my heart today.

renate

(13,776 posts)
28. I'm so sorry to hear about your job
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:49 PM
Apr 2012

I hope this state of affairs doesn't last long... I know that losing your job really sucks, but from everything I've been reading lately, the job market is looking better and better. I wish you tons of good luck!

 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
15. Thank you all for your replies and Recs.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:47 PM
Apr 2012

I don't have the time honestly, to post a reply to each person individually but I thank you all for your support of this thread. Again, it was completely heartfelt and I'm glad to know that there are so many good people here. It makes my heart sing to know that I finally found a place where I can stand with people who believe like I do. Thank you all.

liberaltrucker

(9,129 posts)
16. I'd like to thank the taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 05:48 PM
Apr 2012

for their help from June 2009 to Jan 2010.

Like the OP, I would have been in bad shape without it.

BoWanZi

(558 posts)
19. Same here. Thanks to all. My wife and I get food stamps, only 40 a month but it helps
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 06:59 PM
Apr 2012

She also gets meals on wheels due to having a bad brain injury. The meals really help out since she has a very hard time cooking anymore.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
45. I am on the verge of filing for food stamps.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:36 PM
Apr 2012

I was laid off my job in 2010. I was already collecting social security, but losing that salary put a halt on any extra spending. I was hoping to work a little longer to get more money into my 401K. There was not much left after the big Wall Street fiasco. Fortunately, my expenses are low, but the savings account is also becoming low. Luckily, I am a vegetarian, so my food costs are low, but food prices now are going through the roof. So I am seriously considering applying for food stamps.

whoopingcrone

(98 posts)
21. me, too...
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:12 PM
Apr 2012

grateful, that is, to all of you who've responded with such kind words
to GS2680 and therefore, to me as well, since I, too, use food stamps.


The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
23. Some of us NEED that help
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:15 PM
Apr 2012

and you deserve it. Members of a society should edify one another: edify emotionally, edify financially, edify intellectually, etc. I'm glad you and others have food, and that this society has, for the time being, enough decency to see to it that you get it.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
26. I never begrudged anybody a meal and never felt bitter about paying taxes
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:34 PM
Apr 2012

until W started the endless wars on terrah.

I'm happy you have some food on your table. I'd rather pay for that, knowing that I could easily be in your shoes, than pay for war, oil subsidies, etc.

varelse

(4,062 posts)
27. I don't have a problem with paying taxes
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 07:42 PM
Apr 2012

I'd be happy to pay twice as much in income tax, if doing that gave me the option of allocating more to programs that provide the basics (health care, food, shelter, education, transportation) to everyone.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
29. I wish you good luck in getting back on your feet
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 08:33 PM
Apr 2012

When that happens, I'm sure you will be generous in helping those that still need assistance.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
31. When I was thirteen
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 10:04 PM
Apr 2012

My father abandoned our family and my mother had to get food stamps to feed us. (Even though she worked FULL TIME at a factory.) When he left, I knew that we were in dire straights and was worried sick that we wouldn't have enough to eat. My mother said, "We'll apply for food stamps, don't worry." When she explained to me that our country would not let us starve to death, I was so relieved and grateful and my main thought was "This is a big part of why America is the best country in the world! Our fellow citizens will not let any of us fall through the cracks and starve."

I did think we were the best country in the world at the time. (Sadly, not so much anymore.....Little did I know at the time how many Americans (Republicans) would have been fine to see us starve on the streets.)

I'm heading toward retirement now with many years of hard work and taxes paid behind me. I'm still grateful that America's taxpayers chose not to let us starve to death in those hard days and I don't begrudge a single penny of my tax dollars that go to help others.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
32. I get food benefits. But I don`t consider it
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 10:05 PM
Apr 2012

to be "sponging off the system." Why not? Because I paid those taxes myself for years before landing in my present predicament. And God willing, I`ll be paying those taxes again someday when I find work. So it`s kinda like, say, unemployment insurance or Social Security. I paid into the system and now I`m receiving benefits from the system. And so can any one of those who are currently fortunate enough to be employed - who heap their scorn on those less fortunate because they have not (yet) had that experience - if their situation happens to change in the future.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
57. I have never thought those that receive help were "sponging off the system."
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:49 PM
Apr 2012

Anyone who would say that hasn't got a clue as to why social programs were put into place or how they benefit all of us.They help to create a healthy society and that is beneficial to all of us. So many are worried that a few are gaming the system or buying something too expensive considering their circumstances. I'm a checker in a grocery store and have never once questioned what someone purchases with their EBT card, frankly it is not my business. Nor do I treat them any different than my other customers (it is no one else's business how you pay for your purchase). I have had EBT customers apologize for having to use that card and my response is there is nothing to apologize for. This tells me some asshole in the past has made a comment that made them feel bad.

Good Luck finding a job.

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
33. You're very welcome, Grasshopper
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:53 AM
Apr 2012

Happy to do my part and don't have a problem with it. I know some abuse the system but may more do not and like yourself, truly need help. None of us ever know when we might need the same help.

lupinella

(365 posts)
35. Thank you.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:39 PM
Apr 2012

Thank you for reminding people there is a human face to those who need help.

I grew up missing meals because my father had 'too much pride' to get public assistance. Pride is useless when you are hungry. As an adult I've been privileged enough not to require help, but, as a member of the working poor with no health care, I know that need is no more than just an accident away.
This is the reason I gladly pay my share of taxes. Food for those who need it.

WoodyD

(215 posts)
38. See, this is what's wrong with America
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 02:27 PM
Apr 2012

We spend a few dollars providing much-needed assistance so people who are down on their luck don't go hungry. Why aren't we spending more on helping those whose fault it is that people are going hungry? We need to help the uptrodden! Some of them are dangerously close to being second-homeless.

"Not a handout - just a hand up." That's exactly what I want my government to do. Bread, not bombs. And maybe stop blaming people who can't find jobs, and start blaming the people who ship those jobs overseas. Or as they're known on Faux News, "job creators." Just, you know, not in this country.

To those assholes who vilify people in need - you (or I) may not have needed assistance in the past. We may not need it today. But any of us may need it tomorrow. I'm glad help is there for you today, and I hope it will still be there if I need it tomorrow.

bpositive

(423 posts)
42. Your welcome
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:52 PM
Apr 2012

When i was a child my mother received food stamps that put food on our table. I am fortunate as an adult that i do not have to use them. I am more than happy that part of my tax dollars pay for others to get the much needed benefit.

bawieland

(17 posts)
43. No thanks needed - I know you will do the same for others when circumstances improve
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:02 PM
Apr 2012

I have heard stories that when some people have had shameful experiences using their Bridge card - the debit card used for food assistance in Michigan. By shameful, I don't mean that they have a card to use. I mean shameful in the sense that other shoppers or even the cashiers judge them for having a card and critique their purchases, as though it were anybody else's business.

I've never felt that way. I always felt good, in a sense, when I see one of those cards taken from a wallet. Not good because someone needs the help, but good that the help is there, and good that I contributed to it. I suppose I feel privileged to see something good I contributed to in action. I'm glad the help is there. I want people to use it.

I never had to think about food assistance in any other way than this until last year, when I was laid off from my job and had to apply for help myself. I got it - a whole $16 a month, which I lost because the state then asked me to prove I didn't have $5,000 holed away in a bank account, and to do that would have cost me $50 in bank fees, the cost of faxing documents and gasoline - and I only had $100 in my bank account to last the week. But those $16, when I had them, were the most valuable $16 I ever had.

I was lucky enough to find a job after six months, and luckier still that my new job lets me join the fight to restore and improve assistance to people who need it.

I don't need food assistance anymore, but I've held on to my Bridge card, and I keep it in my wallet in a prominent position in my wallet. When I go to pay for groceries, there it is, in plain view with all its peachy orangeness. Why do I keep that? Party, to remind myself what it was like to rely on one of them to survive, and so that I never forget that feeling which is shared by so many around me who are still in that position. But also, I suppose, I'm hoping someone sees and comments on it, so I can tell them exactly what it was like to be so desperate, and how very much I relied on that help, and just how important it is that the program is there for our neighbors in need.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
44. Glad we still have a safety net to help you.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:24 PM
Apr 2012

If Ryan and his band of "rich thieves of baby's candy" get their way all of us will be without.

WE NEED A LIVING WAGE PLUS HEALTH AND RETIREMENT BENEFITS! And continued safety nets for those who are sick or having a hard time.

It's time to REALLY level out the playing field, redistribute the wealth to all. Income/resource eqality now!

EC

(12,287 posts)
46. Maybe the feds should add
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:53 PM
Apr 2012

another option on our taxes. Like the check box to donate $1.00 to the campaign fund, maybe they should add a space where we can designate where we would like 20% or so of our taxes to be spent. I'll bet the social programs would get more support than the Pentagon...

I'm glad my taxes help people.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
54. Or donate $1 to programs to help fund the "Food Stamp" budget!
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 02:14 PM
Apr 2012

Like PayPal always offers "do you want to donate to..." and you can
choose $1 or more, for whatever cause they're highlighting that day.

At grocery stores they have a screen that asks the same type of thing -- would you like to donate to.....
That's another place where we could utilize that, although I don't know how much hassle it would be to have the recipient be the government.

But wow, you've suggested something that is SO do-able! Contact Obama -- NOW!

EC

(12,287 posts)
59. Well, I figured
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:38 PM
Apr 2012

people may feel better about paying taxes if they knew what they were paying for at least in part.. or felt they had some say.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
47. That's a nice post. Need more public education as to what taxes do.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:03 PM
Apr 2012

Now I don't know your condition, don't know your capabilities, and I am not marginalizing your need. I know how important these resources are. Know that.

But just out of curiosity, I assume you would be better served with a job where you can buy your own food, or at least a path that leads to something other than hoping like hell the EBT card gets filled on time. Do you agree? Maybe a government-sponsored training and a little info about cooperative businesses, entrepreneurship, organizing with interested people, gardening. I don't mean throw you in 9 weeks of training then nothing because there are no jobs, but something that might make you more self-sufficient, not reliant on what has become a political ping-pong ball of tragedy. Maybe funded outside the government because of their self-interest in keeping their corporate buddies fed. Just ask JP Morgan what they make from these.

The reason I ask is that we have moved to dispensing cash to people as opposed to invigorating opportunities for them to go after, something corporations WILDY favor, because they can tap streams of revenue for tax preparation, payday loans, bank fees, all sorts of fees that with all these total up to billions a year. They could not profit like that if people weren't sent EIC and other payments, and grocery stores and food manufacturers couldn't manipulate food for profit nearly as easily. Without opportunity to grow, this is a sustainable fountain of cash from the taxpayer for businesses big and small, with the lever of "how can you hurt those "poor people" to make sure it keeps coming. (Note: There's not a god damn thing poor about "those people" - I dislike that terminology).

After having watched this for several decades, I am quite sure that these newer philosophies are not there to help people, they are there to keep them in their place.

Just wondered what you thought, and what you think might be a solution, or is none needed?


AnnieK401

(541 posts)
48. Very Timely for me!
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:51 PM
Apr 2012

I have been feeling very guilty today because I was just accepted for SS disability due to what is being called moderate to severe arthritis in both knees and hands, a left elbow that has advanced arthritic activity with bone on bone and a bone spur, moderate to severe hearing loss, and a genetic condition that contributed to all this. I am 54 and have worked since 1980. I worked at any menial job I could find, even though have a BA (OK it's in Sociology) but I worked! I was accepted for disability the first time, which I understand is somewhat rare. Believe me, they don't take your word for aches and pains, all this was all supported by Dr.'s reports and x-rays. I tried running a small business, but I underestimated the physical requirements and ended up selling it for pennies on the dollar for what I spent on it. The money I will get is not a lot, but it will help. And, I understand I can still earn a small amount, if I can find something, Hard to believe but I would much rather be gainfully employed and paying taxes, but the chances of someone, other than myself, hiring me are slim to none (actually closer to none.) As for self employment, I've tried that, it can be physically and mentally harder than working for an employer and 9 out of 10 start ups fail. I guess the Republicans see me as a drag on the economy who should be eliminated. After all, I'm interfering with some millionaire being even wealthier. But I believe I still have worth I appreciate all the comments I saw on this thread. Thank you for the post.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
51. You're welcome
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:13 AM
Apr 2012

It's good to know my taxes are spent on people who need them, instead of going to the military budget.

Glad to help out.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
53. Here's a little vignette that fully supports your OP
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 12:44 PM
Apr 2012

While participating in a fund raiser for our non-profit (hoping to create a safe, home-like environment within which to complete a single interview of sexually assaulted children), I was made aware of how different is the level of compassion in those who have little or nothing, and those who have extreme wealth.

We were sacking groceries in exchange for donations to our agency. To a one, individuals with little or nothing to give would hand us a donation--often just the change from their EBT purchase. Many of these individuals could ill afford to donate anything to our cause.

Then, one of my colleagues excitedly whispered, "There's Mr. So-and-So! He's the richest man in town! He might give us a BIG donation!"

We carefully sacked his groceries, and watched as he pulled out his money clip, literally stuffed with Ben Franklins. Without looking at us, he pocketed his money and mumbled, "I already give to area charities."

During my multiple decades of activism, I've seen this happen all too often.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
56. You are welcome.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:27 PM
Apr 2012

I have never had a problem with any of our social programs and gladly support them.
These programs benefit all of us because they help to make for a healthy society.

Yes there are a few who game the system but that will always be the case. That is just pennies compared with what corporate and MIC waste on a daily basis. Corporate welfare thieves and the MIC are who we should be concerned about not someone getting a little food or help with their medical bills.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
60. My honor and privilege.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 05:19 PM
Apr 2012

You are my fellow American. To me that means when you need, I help and when I need, you help. I probably don't do enough, but I am comfortable and hope what I pay in taxes benefits US. I believe that U.S. means US.

Take care of yourself.

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