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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums50 year old on life support after being beaten with hammer.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-two-arrested-seminole-beating-20120402_1_victim-arrest-affidavits-crimeline<snip>The victim, a 50-year-old Winter Springs man whose name has not been released, is on life-support at Orlando Regional Medical Center.
<snip>According to arrest affidavits: A witness told deputies he heard someone screaming for help and saw two men pull the victim from his vehicle. He said he watched as one man held the victim and the other beat him in the head with a hammer.
<more, including photos of the assailants, at link>
Hardware stores that sell hammers should face a boycott.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)the gungeon.
I suppose we'll have to ban tire irons and crowbars and baseball bats as well, to go along with your laced comments.
Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)time about boycotts.
Boycott Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Starbucks (except when we are told to support them), WalMart, and the list goes on.
Boycott, IMO, is not a universal cure for every ailment that afflicts society.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)And they behaved accordingly.
Boycotting may not be a "universal" cure, but you tell me or anyone else that boycotting the bus line that didn't let Rosa Parks have a seat didn't do a little something-something back in the day.
That was a boycott that totally did the trick.
I didn't really take "boycott" from your "Hammers don't kill people" theme--I took it as more like a gun rant. Whatever...
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)How . . . socialist of you. Liberals never go that far abridging freedom. Even the strawman-liberal the conservatives always refer to doesn't say you aren't free to make the choice on how you spend your own money, as long as the goods and services are legal, and you've paid taxes.
So, which do you object to? Free speech? Or free enterprise. Because that's all a boycott is, a combination of free speech or free enterprise. A boycott is the market working exactly the way it should, with people making rational decisions on how they spend money according to their perceived interests. There's no way around this. Despising boycotts as a strategy is resenting freedom itself.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)really? we read a horrific story, and this is your comment? geeezus, listening to the lack of empathy here on du is amazing.
marsis
(301 posts)has no empathy and they use it well. Sometimes ya gotta fight them with their own game, or play nice and lose. Seems we are so used to that.
I myself alomost posted that God must really hate Texas because of drought, tornados, douchebags You know, like that upstanding man of God Pat Robertson would probably do.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to recognize a wrong then turn around and do the same, and then.... justify. i dont know how people can rationalize that in their mind.
marsis
(301 posts)losing to those thugs who actually only represent about 10% of the populace. They cheat, lie, and windle their way into office and you want to play nice with a perceived notion of fair play.
Maybe that's we are fighting the 10% who get 50% +/- of the vote.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am not a believer i have to give up being a half way decent person to stand up for what i believe in, to speak out and to fight. and your numbers are off. sitting in reality helps a bit, too.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)How can a mythical being hate? It's just a story? 
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #5)
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Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)"...There is no penalty for using the self-delete function..."
It is a feature of DU3. If one does not like that feature, then lobby to have it changed.
sudopod
(5,019 posts)Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)like links?
Hate to think you don't have a full collection.
sudopod
(5,019 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"then lobby to have it changed..."
Or make the obvious inference as to why one may feel compelled to use it both excessively and consistently... 
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Was inching dangerously close to pissing off one too many of the wrong people.
Sly, that one.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)If you know what I mean.
spin
(17,493 posts)but if the victim had a Florida Concealed Weapon permit and a concealed handgun, he might not be in the hospital today.
In fact in Florida a person can carry a loaded handgun in his car without a license. It has to be securely encased, therefore the victim could have had a handgun in his glove box or console. He might have been able to grab his car gun and defend himself.
Most likely if he would have shown the young thugs that he was armed, they would have ran. However it is possible that he would have been charged with brandishing a firearm if the thugs called the cops before he did.
But firearms are not for everybody. I've always thought that pepper spray was an excellent item to carry for self defense. It has limitations but it is non lethal. I went looking for a link to show an example of a good pepper spray and I ran across what looks like an excellent pepper spray device called the Tornado. It not only allows you to use pepper spray but it has a strobe light and a extremely load alarm. I was so impressed with the video I decided to order one.
You can view a video of the device at: http://www.gettornado.com/videos.html?vidID=001010 click on the link for the Tornado 5-in-one.
Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:18 PM - Edit history (1)
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)And would have shot a few more people.
spin
(17,493 posts)but I feel it is more likely that the thugs would be unaware of the fact that their victim was armed and when they were pulling him out of his car, he could have drawn his handgun.
Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)be filled with hate to bludgeon someone over a car).
No, just comments on sarcasm and smelly posts. And screencaps.
Pity.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Looks like there was an investigation in this case, unlike Trayvon's where it was dropped from higher ups.
Maybe you miss the point of the outrage. It isn't just about a person getting killed but the aftermath, what happened or in his case didn't happen afterwards.
sudopod
(5,019 posts)People get murdered every day. What doesn't happen every day is a cover-up caught red-handed. I'm sure OP will continue to miss that point, though.
People are just too concerned about little things like case of Mr. Martin; thank Xenu that the OP is here to point it out!
dkf
(37,305 posts)to prosecute Zimmerman compared to these fellas.
We are a nation of laws and we prosecute people based on our laws.
sudopod
(5,019 posts)But they didn't even begin to try to put together an investigation.
SYG is an excuse. It does not say not to investigate, not to take pictures, to look over the crime scene with the suspect's retired-judge father, to remain incommunicado with the victims family, and on and on.
TL;DR, it's not about SYG.
OP's victim, however, will get some justice.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Do you have a credible source?
sudopod
(5,019 posts)God knows where to find it; the search terms I can come up with can't help Google narrow down the results beyond a dozen pages of conservative blogs quoting Zimmerman Sr about this, that, and the other.
I'll edit if I see it pop up again, but if anyone else remembers, I'd appreciate an assist.
The point still stands for the other three examples and the etc's, regardless.
dkf
(37,305 posts)
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Follow the links from this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002512438
It will lead to a long New York Times article; to save you the trouble of actually reading an in-depth piece, here is the relevant portion:
The day after the shooting, George Zimmerman, according to his father, returned with at least three police officers to the Retreat at Twin Lakes, back to that grassy area where plaintive cries for help had gone unanswered. The investigators, accompanied by someone with a video camera, wanted him to re-enact the events of the night when the two strangers had stood their ground.
Mr. Zimmerman’s father watched from nearby. “They started where his vehicle was,” he recalled. “They walked him down the sidewalk and to the end of the sidewalk, to the street where he got an address and then walked him back towards his vehicle, near where the incident occurred.”
dkf
(37,305 posts)But no he was not allowed to be with them but watch from a distance like any other bystander I imagine.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Mr. Martin's people were not.
The appearance of partiality is quite striking.
dkf
(37,305 posts)That sounds like a situation ripe for trouble. On TV it's when the family member goes berserk and offs the suspect.
And is there any evidence that Robert Zimmerman got official permission to be there? I bet George told him what was going to happen and he stayed far enough away.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)No one from either family ought to have been present. That one was, and the other not, gives the appearance of partiality by the authorities. Indeed, there have been sufficient such indications that it is quite reasonable to conclude it is not mere appearance, but substance, that the local authorities are partial to the Zimmermans in this matter.
dkf
(37,305 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Do you suppose he showed up separately from his son?
Do you suppose police then told him he could stay, rather than telling him to find somewhere else to be for the next half hour or so?
dkf
(37,305 posts)All I am saying is I need more to prove it was Zimmerman Sr pulling in favors from friends.
Some of the assumptions are getting out of hand.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)The Zimmermans are receiving preferential treatment from the police: that is readily observable fact. The only question is why....
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Did you expect honestly and sincerity? Seriously? Just more 'apples to oranges' garbage, that we see from people that like to pretend the truth isn't real.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Everyone else did their own research and didn't just guess at what was going on like you are right now.
dkf
(37,305 posts)The jury pool has been tainted irretrievably.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)but not for Martin.
you've been posting these thoughts throughout DU for days, and that's the pattern.
what gives?
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Rex
(65,616 posts)to compare apples to oranges, but you didn't know that at all I am sure...
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)the fact. the murders are the real issue.
dkf
(37,305 posts)This looks easier to prove than proving that Zimmerman was lying about feeling his life was in danger.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and as you are well aware, Zimmerman has not been arrested for a crime. But keep pretending these are the same thing, everyone else in this thread knows they are not. Funny, you and the OP are the ONLY ones that 'don't get it'.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Is that guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing people, while hammers are designed for the purpose of pounding nails.
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)Can you just delete this one too?
Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)of the two young black men who beat a middle-aged man with a hammer, a man who is in critical condition now?
One wonders where the outrage is for this victim. Where are the celebrities coming down to visit with the family of the victim, and the media too of course.
One wonders why every fourth thread on page one of GD is not about this incident.
That is what it is about. Wonder.
But I'm not going to delete it. You can hide it if you like.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)One wonders why every fourth thread on page one of GD is not about this incident.
That is what it is about. Wonder.
Lemme think.... I don't suppose it's because these two men were arrested, charged and will subsequently face a jury of their peers - as is their right - which will ultimately (one would hope) deliver a just verdict, whilst Mr. Zimmerman has not been arrested, nor charged, in connection with the death of young Mssr Martin, and in fact, would have been relatively free to live the rest of his days in relative peace and comfort if not for the "outrage" and "celebrities coming down to visit with the family of the victim" which raised the issue to such a degree that the media, and eventually the authorities could no longer ignore the case?
Nah.... of course not... it's just some of that damned reverse racism.. silly me... us white folk just can't seem to catch a break, can we?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It was a shock to see this OP here, considering that it makes the same false comparison that is being made throughout RW media and white supremacist websites. 
Thanks for your post! 
opiate69
(10,129 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Which I don't regret.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=71360
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)I'm tempted to get my own post hidden over this.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Bragged about it.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)She does it all the time. But in this case, look who she's siding with...
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)In other words: Ha ha, I got ya.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)LoZoccolo
(29,393 posts)I posted something later this morning, but at the time you posted this response, I don't believe that I had.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)
(Corny but I laughed.)
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)This reverse racism crap is bullshit.
sudopod
(5,019 posts)
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Yup Yup
muriel_volestrangler
(101,312 posts)because, like yours, they get many replies from everyone except Obamanaut, who has got no decent reply, and indeed is not even interested in getting the real answer to an OP like the piece of crap which starts this thread.
Whisp
(24,096 posts) well said!
I see we have our own brand of maroons here.
good lawd almighty - the daft among us!
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Whatever gave you that idea?
caseymoz
(5,763 posts). . . and it isn't the fact that the victim was white and the perps were black
Here it is: the guys who assaulted him have been arrested, they will be prosecuted. In court, they will face punishment. There doesn't have to be any protests for that to happen.
In other words, in their case, you could expect the justice system to work pretty much as it should, without any extra attention, that is, without anybody marching, without any media attention, without any debate.
Contrast that with George Zimmerman, who is not even arrested, and it is not even certain yet if he will be. He probably won't face prosecution, and if he's prosecuted, he will probably beat the rap on a SYG technicality.
Moreover, if it weren't for the protests and the attention, it looked like Zimmerman would've gotten away with it, with only the flimsiest excuse for an investigation.
Now, I'm trying not to jump to any conclusions, but I ask you: how do you not notice this is the difference? How do you, instead, come to the conclusion that there's unfairness to white people here?
If these guys of color were using self-defense as their story looked like they were immune to arrest, civil action or prosecution, then you have the right to say that there's a comparison. Then people should be protesting it, and likely would be. Otherwise, there's no discrimination or neglect of white people's interests here.
So, quit whining about it. Your complaint misses the whole point so badly it's embarrassing.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)there's your answer
Rex
(65,616 posts)TSd for doing so! This should cut WAY down on some of the RWing bullshit we see here. Yet I have to give it to Obamanut...you trolled very well on DU2, DU3...not so. You cannot hide your shit on DU3...just for lurking trolls, you will get caught there is no way to be 'cute' on DU3 and not get noticed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and it looks like everyone caught it and laughed at the OP for doing so.
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)It is likely that at some point the victim wished he had a gun.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Seems just as "certain" to believe he had wished he stayed home and not gone for candy and soda... :shru:
Rex
(65,616 posts)Why would you even ponder something like that? The kid is dead, we will never know what his final thoughts were.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)stupid, and definitely disconnected.
Obamanaut
(10,125 posts)fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)But it'd be less damning if it were.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)
jillan
(39,451 posts)I seriously hope you weren't making a joke about this by your sarcasm.
This is horrid.
polly7
(20,582 posts)
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)just think, it might not have happened if private citizens weren't allowed to own hammers.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Just, across the board fucked up.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Why?
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Closed by an arrest with charges preferred.
You will not have heard of an incident recently in my local paper's police blotter, where six or seven people surrounded another, and shot him several times, even though it has not yet been cleared by an arrest.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)be newsworthy in the sense of the suspects still being at large.
One thing I have noticed is since the Trayvon Martin incident Florida
is getting a lot more attention as the murder/mayhem State of the US.
There are other Stand Your Ground States that deserve attention.
But as you say when the perpetrators are arrested let the courts decide
from then on. Leave the news to report the news.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)The racial element enters the matter by way of being the most likely explanation both for this inaction by the authorities, and the most likely motivation of the killer in chasing and bearding the youth, and feeling he was in the right to kill him.
It is not, as the O.P. here seems to be alleging, simply because a white person killed someone black.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)arrest upon the reasonable assertion that a crime or indictable offense has occurred.
The stand your ground law 'standard' renders probable cause and reasonable defense completely
subjective. Hence there is no rule of law in Florida or any other state that sanctions
nebulous notions of self defense such as 'stand your ground'
Stand Your Ground is the title of a cowboy movie not the basis of rational law.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts) 
Lost-in-FL
(7,093 posts)you are currently on a low oxygen area.
It think I'm in the wrong forum. 
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)not your priority when you are thinking about guns.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Anything can be used to kill.
Guns just have little other use. And they can kill a lot faster. To use something else the killer has to be stronger than the victim and can kill one person at a time. A gun can be used by a weaker person against a stronger and can kill several people - from a longer distance.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)I think this one takes the cake:
Obamanaut
21. Actually, not about guns at all. Did you go to the link for the article? Did you see the photos
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of the two young black men who beat a middle-aged man with a hammer, a man who is in critical condition now?
One wonders where the outrage is for this victim. Where are the celebrities coming down to visit with the family of the victim, and the media too of course.
One wonders why every fourth thread on page one of GD is not about this incident.
That is what it is about. Wonder.
But I'm not going to delete it. You can hide it if you like.
Rex
(65,616 posts)YAKNOW WHY!?!?! Check his/her posting privileges. Looks like when one goes out of their way to compare 'apples to oranges' in order to piss off everyone...well it pissed off everyone! Including the owners of the site!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)We certainly don't need to see Stormfront's talking points brought here.
Thanks for the update. 
Rex
(65,616 posts)posted here and then defended.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)There's not another Obamanaut...there's another poster with a similar (but different) name. I'm sorry for adding confusion to the issue, and I'm sorry to that other poster for making the mistake in identification.
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