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http://www.alternet.org/story/87665/worse_than_fascists%3A_christian_political_group_'the_family'_openly_reveres_hitler Worse Than Fascists: Christian Political Group 'The Family' Openly Reveres Hitler The roster of current and former Family members includes senators, congressmen, Fortune 500 CEOs, generals and at least one Supreme Court justice. The Family does not publish membership lists, and its members are sworn to secrecy, so a full accounting is impossible. Sen. Hillary Clinton has been involved with the Family since 1993 when, as first lady, she joined a White House prayer circle for political wives. Clinton has also sought spiritual counseling from the current head of the Family, Doug Coe. Sharlet argues that Clinton's longtime association with the Family has helped her forge working relationships with powerful religious conservatives such as Family member and anti-abortion crusader Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas. The Family nurtures the next generation of prayer warriors in suburban dormitories. Sharlet spent nearly a month living at Ivanwald, a dormitory in Virginia where sons of the Family are sent to immerse themselves in Jesus and clean the toilets of congressmen and senators. The Family also runs a house on C Street in Washington, D.C. The C Street Center has housed a number of federal legislators, including Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. Residents allege that the center is just a cheap place to live, but as an Ivanwald brother, Sharlet saw firsthand that the center is a religious community. As far as the IRS is concerned, the C Street Center is a church. Members will tell you that the Family is just a group of friends. As Sharlet discovered, 600 boxes of documents at the Billy Graham Center Archives tell a different story... And yes they openly revere Hitler, Mao and Stalin. And they are a huge supporter of dictators in African countries that hunt down, prosecute, and kill LGBTQ human beings and those that support them. Despicable.

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k&r (&ibtl?) Electric Monk Jun 2014 #1

It is was it is. If I get a lock, then so be it. And I will see you in two months. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #3

I knew that a Clinton/Hitler post was coming. Congratulations!!! Next, can you do an msanthrope Jun 2014 #2

It Is Getting A Bit Thick, Ma'am... The Magistrate Jun 2014 #4

Can the Dan Burton melon threads be far behind? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #8

Are you saying that she doesn't pray with The Fellowship? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #13

I'm recalling an attack from the 90's...repeated during the Senate campaign in 2000, and then msanthrope Jun 2014 #15

I've an inkling that you are an intelligent person, have you heard of The Family? It is not a benign Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #10

Quite Familiar With It, Sir, And In Regard To Mrs. Clinton Running For President.... The Magistrate Jun 2014 #21

Luminous Animal is a she, Sir. joshcryer Jun 2014 #26

Never equated Clinton with Hitler. Only pointed out the fact that she prays with a religious group Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #7

Can you do an expose of Mena Airport next? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #9

I wonder why the trashers spend so much time on trashing, does the world treat them Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #5

So , you support the goals of The Family. Please tell me what those goals are and why. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #12

I don't support them, don't know what they are about and do not have a desire to Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #14

If you've no desire to explore the fascist group that Clinton regularly prays with... Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #20

Look...this canard came out in the 90s...seriously..are we back to this ancient shit? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #24

Canard? You mean she did not pray with them? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #27

Who the fuck knows or cares? Seriously...I give a shit who she might have prayed with two decades msanthrope Jun 2014 #29

The difference being Jeremiah Wright taken out of context by the Fox News Right. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #33

They pray to the Golden Calf that is Wall St. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #6

Uh oh President Obama you shouldn't have. William769 Jun 2014 #11

As far as I can tell, Obama isn't a member of The Fellowship. That is to his credit. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #16

If it's secret how do you know for sure? William769 Jun 2014 #18

In a way, that might be true, but I've not even seen an inkling that Obama associates with these Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #25

Oh noes!!! nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #17

I seem to be a wet noodle for several this evening. William769 Jun 2014 #19

Doing it quite well I might add. msanthrope Jun 2014 #22

Thats because I'm always William769 Jun 2014 #28

Stealing.....nt. msanthrope Jun 2014 #30

If you are a wet noodle, William, then so am I. I do not. I repeat, I do not accept Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #32

I can't find anything saying she is still involved with them. joshcryer Jun 2014 #23

she has a lot of support among gays JI7 Jun 2014 #31

Electric Monk

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1. k&r (&ibtl?)

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:14 PM

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Luminous Animal

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3. It is was it is. If I get a lock, then so be it. And I will see you in two months.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:18 PM

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msanthrope

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2. I knew that a Clinton/Hitler post was coming. Congratulations!!! Next, can you do an

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:17 PM

Jun 2014

expose of Mena Airport????

The Magistrate

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4. It Is Getting A Bit Thick, Ma'am...

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:20 PM

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msanthrope

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8. Can the Dan Burton melon threads be far behind? nt

Reply to The Magistrate (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:24 PM

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Luminous Animal

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13. Are you saying that she doesn't pray with The Fellowship?

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:30 PM

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msanthrope

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15. I'm recalling an attack from the 90's...repeated during the Senate campaign in 2000, and then

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:34 PM

Jun 2014

rehashed in 2008. Now trotted out in 2016.

Again.....can you do an expose of Mena Airport???

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

10. I've an inkling that you are an intelligent person, have you heard of The Family? It is not a benign

Reply to The Magistrate (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:28 PM

Jun 2014

organization. Perhaps you can convince me otherwise.

The Magistrate

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21. Quite Familiar With It, Sir, And In Regard To Mrs. Clinton Running For President....

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:37 PM

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joshcryer

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26. Luminous Animal is a she, Sir.

Reply to The Magistrate (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:42 PM

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But I agree wholeheartedly with your other comments here, just informing.

Luminous Animal

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7. Never equated Clinton with Hitler. Only pointed out the fact that she prays with a religious group

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:23 PM

Jun 2014

that touts Hitler's organizational skills as a plus. Also, Mao and Stalin.

msanthrope

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9. Can you do an expose of Mena Airport next? nt

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:25 PM

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Thinkingabout

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5. I wonder why the trashers spend so much time on trashing, does the world treat them

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:21 PM

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So badly they are unable to see the sun every day or are they on Rush's payroll?

Laugh a little.

Luminous Animal

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12. So , you support the goals of The Family. Please tell me what those goals are and why.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:29 PM

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Thinkingabout

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14. I don't support them, don't know what they are about and do not have a desire to

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:32 PM

Jun 2014

Find out. Are you a member,maybe you could inform the world.

Luminous Animal

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20. If you've no desire to explore the fascist group that Clinton regularly prays with...

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:37 PM

Jun 2014

than that is on you.

msanthrope

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24. Look...this canard came out in the 90s...seriously..are we back to this ancient shit? nt

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:41 PM

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Luminous Animal

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27. Canard? You mean she did not pray with them?

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:44 PM

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msanthrope

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29. Who the fuck knows or cares? Seriously...I give a shit who she might have prayed with two decades

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:47 PM

Jun 2014

ago? Jumping Jeremiah Wright!!

Luminous Animal

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33. The difference being Jeremiah Wright taken out of context by the Fox News Right.

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:56 PM

Jun 2014

(Which weak kneed liberals ate up with a spoon.)

Ms Clinton freely associated herself with the fascist right. Praying with an org that was well known, for decades, of being associated with the fascist right.

Weekly. Prayer cell meetings. With the fascist right.

Weekly.

HooptieWagon

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6. They pray to the Golden Calf that is Wall St.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:21 PM

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Pretty scarey group, and there's no way I can vote for any member. Shouldn't even be a consideration for any real democrat.

William769

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11. Uh oh President Obama you shouldn't have.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:28 PM

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Luminous Animal

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16. As far as I can tell, Obama isn't a member of The Fellowship. That is to his credit.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:34 PM

Jun 2014

Yes. He has addressed the prayer breakfast. And yes. I wish he hadn't. But, he's not a member.

William769

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18. If it's secret how do you know for sure?

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:36 PM

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Luminous Animal

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25. In a way, that might be true, but I've not even seen an inkling that Obama associates with these

Reply to William769 (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:42 PM

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fascists.

msanthrope

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17. Oh noes!!! nt

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:36 PM

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William769

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19. I seem to be a wet noodle for several this evening.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:37 PM

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msanthrope

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22. Doing it quite well I might add.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:40 PM

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William769

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28. Thats because I'm always

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:45 PM

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msanthrope

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30. Stealing.....nt.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:49 PM

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Luminous Animal

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32. If you are a wet noodle, William, then so am I. I do not. I repeat, I do not accept

Reply to William769 (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:50 PM

Jun 2014

Ms Clintons intimate association with The Family.

joshcryer

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23. I can't find anything saying she is still involved with them.

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:40 PM

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If the causality is because Clinton went to the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, so did Obama. If it's because they got Clinton to sponsor the "Workplace Religious Freedom Act," so did Kerry. As far as I can tell her association was purely tactical.

JI7

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31. she has a lot of support among gays

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Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:49 PM

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