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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo tea-publican terrorists carried out a suicide attack in Las Vegas.
Will the teaparty be declared a terrorist organization? Will all of those providing "material support" be subject to the Patriot Act?
Fuck No. This is the second tea-publican attack on the government in a week, and these attacks follow on the heels of the announced but failed "American Spring" armed uprising and the actual armed uprising in BundyLand.
Why are we coddling terrorists?
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malaise
(269,022 posts)The shooters then ransacked the dying cops' bodies for ammunition and weapons before covering them with the famous 'Don't Tread On Me' flag from the American Revolutionary war.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)So I want to know when the administration is going to declare them a terrorist organization.
malaise
(269,022 posts)If the two were Muslims there would be non-stop coverage on every media outlet
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)blm
(113,063 posts)Not a damn one of them has any understanding of Ben Franklin and Christopher Gadsden and the progressiveness of their views of governance.
I will NOT give that flag to those morons. Take it back for OUR history.
One of the ultimate "elites" from our past, he represents everything they hate. BF spoke French for Christ's sake.
blm
(113,063 posts)Why, that is outright 'Socialism' just like that troublemaker, Jesus Christ.
And Christopher Gadsden would be considered a union thug. He advocated for the common workers against the excesses of the privileged elite.
Real history has never been big in this current Republican party.
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lastlib
(23,239 posts)eom
calimary
(81,298 posts)Glad you're here! Oh man if he were around today, especially as the science and scholastic advocate and man of letters that he was, they'd call him un-American, a "cheese-eating surrender-monkey" (for the French, that is), and every derisive slam against gays, and then try to shoot him.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)one explaining the origin of the flag.
So people can use it as a reference when teabaggers start waving it around.
Just an idea.
HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)Supposedly they were the first to use the Coiled Serpent and the Motto
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)The Gadsden flag and other rattlesnake flags were widely used during the American Revolution. There was no standard American flag at the time, not even Betsy Ross's stars and stripes.
People were free to choose their own banners.
The Minutemen of Culpeper County, Virginia, chose a flag that looks generally like the Gadsden flag, but also includes the famous words of the man who organized the Virginia militia, Patrick Henry: "Liberty or Death."
By the way, there's a fair amount of confusion about the spelling of Culpeper. You often see it spelled Culpepper, with three p's. These are both, legitimate alternate spellings of an English surname. But the flag should definitely be spelled Culpeper, since that's the official spelling of Culpeper, Virginia.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)This scenario is repeated over and over and over again.
Take away the guns and they have shit. Literally.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)He was thrown out of the Bundy mess because of it.
randys1
(16,286 posts)who use these people for their end...
Mitt Romney made a big deal out of Benghazi and these idiots were mad that there were no answers to that.
NEVER before in AMERICAN political history did a presidential candidate use real time american deaths on foreign soil against a sitting president, any Dem that would do that would never be allowed to show his or her face again anywhere on the MSM
7962
(11,841 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)And they were there that day and wanted violence at the Bundy ranch.These people should have been arrested along with every single person who was there that day.They should have been picked up as soon as they were identified.
Will the FBI please do their job?
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tblue37
(65,391 posts)will get picked up and charged. In the meantime, the feds will be building a strong enough case against each one to put him or her away for decades.
The feds will not stand for being threated by armed people while doing their jobs. They didn't want a Waco there, but those idiots won't get away without serious penalties, but the hammer won't fall until they are separated.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)He has been strong in some areas such as the civil rights act but in other areas such as arresting criminal bankers and domestic terrorists he seems to be impotent.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Not any more.
Now if they were unarmed leftists...
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Which was an explicitly nonviolent movement.
It is fucked up for sure.
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)The militia jackasses they perceive as useful tools.
It will come back to bite them in the ass but not before many innocent people are hurt.
tea and oranges
(396 posts)'Sides those non-violent Occupy protestors (AKA our children) are anti-capitalist. Whereas the dumbasses just want more of that there capitalism (guns aren't free unless you steal 'em from the dead cops you murder) & less for black, gummint, & other undeserving entities.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts).
IronLionZion
(45,447 posts)they go after law enforcement officers and innocent civilian bystanders instead, for some reason.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)If armed white supremacists started attacking the cocktail parties of Republican donors in posh suburbs, they would be eradicated from the face of this planet inside a month.
Cha
(297,275 posts)people sit up and take notice.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)since the media is already trying to paint these two as a very fringe subset that were mentally deranged.
Cha
(297,275 posts)![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bptgm4aIMAE5cZ3.png)
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025072557
I think it would be important to have law enforcement on our side to see how outta control this is crashing.
Like the DOJ..
Right Wing Freaks Out With DOJ Announcement to Crackdown on Domestic Terrorists (June 4
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"After letting a special unit devoted to monitoring domestic terrorism fall dormant following the Al Qaeda attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Department of Justice (DOJ) announced this week that it was reviving the group. The Domestic Terrorism Executive Committee will focus on extremists motivated by antigovernment and racial hatred, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement Tuesday.
Predictably, pundits from the extreme conspiracist right, particularly antigovernment Patriot groups, worked themselves into a frenzy over the announcement, warning their followers that a war on the white man was about to come down from the Obama administration. A similar reaction greeted the 2009 leak of a report from the Department of Homeland Security that focused on the domestic radical right, with right-wing groups describing it as an attack on the political conservatives."
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AAO
(3,300 posts)Sovereign Citizen = criminal moron
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)malaise
(269,022 posts)Well said
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)I can see it now "If only he had taken action at Bundy's ranch and arrested all the militia members there this would have never happened.".
RoverSuswade
(641 posts)Mr. Snerdley is working on it right now.
AAO
(3,300 posts)Get it? Get the joke?
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)damned if he do, damned if he don't.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Imagine if brown-skinned people tried to exercise their rights to open carry.
If you distribute white supremacy fliers and advocate violent overthrow of the government--we're OK with that.
If you have brown skin and suggest America could treat people with a little more tolerance--well, how dare you criticize our country, you traitor.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)spanone
(135,841 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)just saying
IronLionZion
(45,447 posts)then no. Everyone knows what terrorists look like, and they certainly don't look like Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Ted Kaczynski, Elliott Rodger, or Tamarlain Tsaernav.
randys1
(16,286 posts)They are physical enemies of not just the USA and the people and the government but of all life on the planet as they are willing tools for the Koch Bros and climate change denial.
So whether they are shooting people at a pizzeria or denying climate change, they are killing people.
Whether they are obstructing legislation that would employ people, feed people and provide healthcare for people, or just outright attacking people on the street, they are indeed terrorists.
this is what Obama has been dealing with since 2010
hello.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)No property taxes, no public school funding, all roads toll, and the list goes on and on where they shift the building and maintenance of society, on to the dwindling middle class and the rising number of poor.
randys1
(16,286 posts)will be on their knees BEGGING us liberals to bail their stupid asses out when they have no roads, no infrastructure, no safe workplace or foods or anything and they are dependent on corps for everything with no regs, when they find out what a HORROR SHOW that will be in real life, they will beg us to save them
will we?
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Guess Fake news theory fell flat. Jerks.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Connect the dots.
Take that element out of the equation and you're left with lone wolfs without a cause and far fewer widows.
Takket
(21,573 posts)this will be quickly swept under the rug with little to no comments from our nations leaders. the tea party/militias being declared terrorist organizations is about as likely as the NRA supporting sensible gun control
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the killers being "Mentally Ill" narrative launch in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
AAO
(3,300 posts)because they've spent the last 15 years being indoctrinated, and brainwashed by right wing media - radio, Fox, and websites. If you are predisposed, that could easily brainwash you and make you a different person than the one you started out as. But they knew what they were doing - it was planned - the mental illness claim will not work - they need to have been judged as not competent due to mental insanity - temporary insanity. Their history makes that defense null and void.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)which tells me that they were planning to get away and only had a suicide pack if they could not escape the street revolution. They were planning on doing it again as in a revolution. Time to do something about Bundyland.
malaise
(269,022 posts)and Dean Heller called them patriots. Don't forget Fiore's interview with Chris Hayes -her email today is freaking hilarious,
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/19/msnbc-host-debates-michele-fiore-on-bundy-ranch-does-not-fare-well/
brewens
(13,589 posts)before the facts are in he'll be speculating it's some kind of jihadists. He believes they have terrorist training camps all over the country.
Last night. Not a freakin' word about this incident and I know damn well he knows all about it. I would suspect his information (or lack thereof) sources were speculating Muslim terrorists at the start.
What's the closest I've seen of a terrorist training camp in this country? Bundys bunch of some of the other militia/white supremacist type compounds.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)It's not just now, but going back over a decade, I've heard a few say that they think all mass or high-profile shootings were orchestrated by some leftist cabal to demonize guns and push hard for mass bans.
I'll bet those nuts do indeed squirm knowing the latest shooter was a right winger.
brewens
(13,589 posts)good I suppose, but mainly to see a chance that the debate would go in the right direction. If it wasn't those two it would have been some other bagger assholes before long.
tblue37
(65,391 posts)Well, he is partially correct. "They" do. But he is wrong about who "they" are.
Takket
(21,573 posts)and when do rish, hannity, fox news, etc accept responsibility for whipping these people into a frenzy? They act like people having access to affordable healthcare is equivalent to the government hog tieing people and leaving them to die in prison (i.e. no freedom), and now their words have come home to roost.
Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)information to the police. Why the heck weren't they notified? They should have recorded them. With a recording I think these people could have been brought up on terrorist threat charges.
exactly. As soon as they were out of sight I would have been on the phone to the police telling them what they said to me.
blue neen
(12,321 posts)It seems that these two gave way more than just hints as to their intentions.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Seriously.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)the tea party.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Two individuals committed a terrorist act. Those two individuals shared a number of common ideals with Tea Party members, but one cannot then claim that all Tea Party members are terrorists. It's a formal syllogistic fallacy (Illicit Minor):
The crazy Las Vegas couple are Terrorists
The crazy Las Vegas couple are Tea Party members
Therefore, all Tea Party members are Terrorists
It doesn't work, just like this doesn't work:
All cats are felines.
All cats are mammals.
Therefore, all mammals are felines.
Look, I know it feels good to vent one's spleen at the Tea Party, but if the term "terrorist" is to have any real meaning we can't just use it as a pejorative to insult our opponents.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)you are absolutely correct.
There is a wider issue concerning those with whom they had an association, those with whom they share anti-American ideologies that include insurrection and the critical feature of terrorist guerrilla warfare. Those are issues that concern all of us and are also the most mixed and confused. There is danger in confusing actual acts of violence and concern for actual threats of violence which can evolve into undeserved responses toward people or groups even if they are misguided or guilty by promotion of violent hate.
I think none of the opinions expressed in these comment have expanded to the point of irrational response necessarily. But the increasing threat and bravado of people who share similar anti-government sentiments to the suicide murderers even if they would not/could not act upon it, increases the likelihood that extremists who would commit such atrocities may gain a level of mania where they would act.
There are too many outward threats being thrown about and they must be taken seriously. But it's too human even if mistaken to broad brush. People including myself are becoming very concerned and aware of a nature in this country that is dangerous and based on ignorance. If there is anything to fear it's ignorance.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)When a Muslim person kills people because of political ideology, they're branded a terrorist.
When white members of the tea party (redundant I know) kill two officers and an innocent bystander because of political ideology, we can't brand them terrorists and we need to stop overusing the term?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Until either the patriot act is repealed or it is applied with an even hand, I will demand that white rightwing nutjobs get the same treatment handed out to other people and groups.
We had an armed insurrection at BundyLand. WTF happened to those people? Oh right nothing, and now two of them just killed three people in Vegas.
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malaise
(269,022 posts)Two in three days
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Too funny...
MerryBlooms
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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)is loaded with Right Wing garbage. There is no ambiguity this time about the shooter's politics.
What's weird is at least one of his friends that is pictured with him doesn't even acknowledge on his FaceBook page that his buddy is dead:
Just continued with his knife themes postings as if nothing happened.
Edit: Never mind that's not his Facebook friend. Linked removed to protect the innocent.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)they are. Why? I don't know. I agree something needs to be done though. They are domestic terrorists committing acts of domestic terrorism. It is long past time to start disciplining them before they reach the point where they do these things. Usually, these types and the militia types have multiple charges and convictions on their records. Why they don't find a way to stop them before they go on a rampage, I still don't know. It makes no sense.
Rebl
(149 posts)media would start calling them domestic terrorists-which they are-the government would not be reluctant to call them what they are-terrorists. I seem to remember they called Timothy McVeigh a domestic terrorist.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Remember, Clinton was president when they called McVeigh the domestic terrorist he was in MSM. Because of Waco, though, I think both the MSM and the government (which I think are pretty much in it together) avoid bringing up much about the fact that they are terrorists. It is not good for the country that they refuse to address the problem of domestic terrorism.
Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)It really is time the tea party extremists are declared domestic terrorists.
HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)....they would be fun to watch, floating around their Fox News Bubble.
Beartracks
(12,814 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)and semi-fascist in its orientation towards its citizens, so it has always looked upon the right-wing radicals sympathetically. This is why the Klan (which is so obviously a terrorist organization), militia groups, and neo-Nazi groups are allowed to exist while groups allied with the Left have been infiltrated, disrupted and in many cases, murdered in cold blood.
These crazy people are itching for a war (they hoped the Bundy incident would provide an opportunity), and the US government better take them seriously and stop letting them do what the hell they want.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)teabagger terrorists get a pass
valerief
(53,235 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Nothing too cute, just the truth - Tea Party Killers.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Amonester
(11,541 posts)Cowards, like all tearorists are.