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By Rick Couri
The rule begins by saying, Foundational garments shall be worn and not visible with respect to color, style, and/or fabric.
It goes on to state, No see-through or sheer clothing shall be allowed, and no skin shall be visible between pants/trousers, skirts, and shirts/blouses at any time.
Female teachers are also required to wear a bra.
The letter describing the change was sent to teachers in Little Rock, Arkansas, last year, but the new standard takes effect this fall. With that deadline closing in, teachers are looking at ways to fight the ruling.
Outer garments also have to meet new requirements. Disallowed are slogans for beer, drugs, gangs, sex, or alcohol.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/education/teachers-upset-new-dress-code-requiring-underwear/nf77z/
Iggo
(47,603 posts)MissMillie
(38,616 posts)But it really doesn't seem all that draconian to me to expect professionals to show up for work dressed, well, professionally.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Most professional jobs have standards for appropriate attire.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)anything denim.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)on their right to wear flipflops, spandex, and beer slogans?
Or is it just the bra that they want to burn?
derby378
(30,252 posts)Bad enough he wears his gym shorts one or two sizes too small...
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Our gym teacher not only wore quasi-hot pants, but they were white. And he led us in stretches at the start of every class. I don't know if they teach that in gym teacher school or what.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)Any teacher who has a problem being asked to show some decorum in front of their students needs to look for another job.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Almost nothing that would violate these rules. They just don't seem at all onerous to me.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)I work in they better leave out the custodian who wheres Bermuda shorts all year long, Central New York.
If the district had to put this policy in place some teacher(s) must have violated it already.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,542 posts)professional workplaces should expect their workers to dress?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Initech
(100,155 posts)big_dog
(4,144 posts)yellowcanine
(35,707 posts)Starting with the use of the stilted term - "foundational garments" Is this the same as underwear?????
Does this mean I have to wear some type of undershirt? If it is not visible how the eff will you know?
Same goes for tighty whiteys. How the eff will you know?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)WOOT!
The teachers concerns had nothing to do with a requirement to wear underwear. They seem to be much more concerned with unclear standards open to interpretation from one principle to the next. That of course isnt nearly as sexy as them objecting to wearing underwear so I understand the silly headline.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)So I did a quick google and sure enough, it is. I don't understand why people take these articles at face value.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I dont get it either. It happens all the time though.
Sort of removes some of the mystery of why so many are so misinformed. Next week look for the posts that use teachers refusal to wear underwear as some sort of talking point.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)If you have something that negates, please post.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)"In 2012, teachers in the beachside hamlet of Hampton, N.H. called an attempt to prevent teachers from wearing jeans, tank-tops and flip-flops derogatory and condescending.
This year, in Lewis County, W. Va., teachers pitched a fit because the local board of education voted to prohibit them from wearing blue jeans, faded jeans and shorts to work."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/little-rock-school-district-will-now-make-teachers-wear-underwear/#ixzz332lOmO4t
lululu
(301 posts)next they'll have to wear girdles, which is what I think a "foundation garment" is.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I have no problem telling teachers to dress with some level of professionalism. They are role for the kids and should show them what to expect when they grow up.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)They are mildly annoying at best.
It is not like they are dictating how you dress when off the clock.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)If teachers can't have any portion visible, say like a bra strap, does that mean they'll be sent to the principal's office for a quick check?
The other requirements aren't so onerous (except for the cost of new wardrobe items, especially outer garments) but I wonder what the real deal is here. Is the district punishing them for some failed labor negotiation?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)when she already was wearing one.
Then there's thong underwear.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Even Sharon Stone wouldn't be able to get away with that now.
Or maybe she would. I guess in a world where Katy Perry can faux-lactate on stage as 'performance art' and Miley can twerk with abandon, anybody can do anything. I mean, in theory.
dogknob
(2,431 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)SevenSixtyTwo
(255 posts)were a good idea. Save the social sizing up for after school events and personal time.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)of outerwear, they'll know who is breaking the rule?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)How would they know if you are wearing undies or not? If all of your things are covered properly and modestly, what motivation would anyone have to search you for undergarments?
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Underpants. meh. Many dresses look better without them.
Whether the look of either is a scandalous is a meh.
Setting dress codes is the right of the employer though.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Yes, if you aren't wearing underwear.
Because you are wearing something so provocative that people with underwear on are suddenly prudes because they notice your behind hanging out.
That is my comment. I don't mind if you wish to wear a nice dress, but when it gets to the point of being stripping... I may be too conservative. I just care for the girls in the family, and again, I was concerned.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)whatever they'd like, so long as they wear a "Mister Chips" academic robe (zipped up, mind you) over their clothing. Mortarboard optional!
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)if they need to spend some money buying something other than college-acceptable clothing. That's what grown-up jobs require.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It is known as a false front group, so to speak.
Here you go.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/little-rock-school-district-will-now-make-teachers-wear-underwear/
http://eagnews.org/little-rock-dress-code-requires-teachers-to-wear-bras-and-underwear-next-year/
Here's more about EAG.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/8110
EAG isnt really a group. Its two very partisan men with ties to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy and Dick DeVos of Amway Corp. fame. Olsons brother is director of education policy at the Mackinac Center, another anti-union, pro-privatization group. The man who incorporated EAG, Eric Doster, is a Michigan Republican Party lawyer who has served on the board of the Great Lakes Education Project, a political action committee linked to DeVos. DeVos, of course, helped finance the failed 2000 vouchers initiative.
EAG bashes the collective bargaining process and school employees rights to inform the community and to work to elect leaders who value students and the employees who teach and help them at school.
Olson claims to be nonpartisan, but he is a partisan Republican Party activist and an officer in the state party.
Olson refuses to disclose his groups funding sources, making it difficult to discern whose agenda EAG is pushing.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)maybe i am misreading your intent with this post...
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madfloridian
(88,117 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)doesn't mean it isn't true.
http://www.katv.com/story/23421028/lrsd-new-dress-code-for-teacher-requires-undergarments-be-worn
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madfloridian
(88,117 posts)mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)when everybody will be wearing Nehru jackets.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)the bra thing is a joke. I have never owned one, and find the idea foreign and frankly none of your damn business. Don't push your damn manboobs in my face while wearing some polo t-shirt and talk to me about "foundational garments."
3catwoman3
(24,147 posts)...eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
I once saw a guy with more body mass that that wearing a mesh tank shirt with really lowcut arm holes. Totally gross.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)you really do need an undershirt to help wick away the sweat without getting nasty sweat stains on the dress shirt.
But I also know someone with fibromyalgia who has told me there are some days where it's incredibly painful to wear anything as constrictive as underwear and a bra.
So I can see both sides here.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)I thought teachers were grown ups...who knew how to present themselves in a professional manner..
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I don't know if these guys who set up their foundation for the purpose of supporting the "reform" movement and dissing public schools...are serious or if this is satire.
But it is stupid.
VANCOUVER, Wash. Two 9-year-old students in Vancouver, Washington were deeply embarrassed last week after a classroom policy led to them urinating on themselves.
The policy, implemented by a third-grade teacher at Mill Plain Elementary, forces children to pay $50 in Monopoly money in order to use the restroom. Children receive the fake cash for good behavior and can also choose to buy pizza, popcorn and toys.
Jasmine Al-Ayadhi, whose daughter Reem wet herself, says she supports children learning the value of money but argues that the bathroom policy goes too far.
When it comes to a bathroom issue, when a child has to pay money to use the bathroom, thats wrong, Al-Ayadhi told KATU News. Its inhumane. Thats a health issue.
Al-Ayadhi says Reem, who was down to her last $50, desperately wanted to buy popcorn with her friends and attempted to wait until after class to use the bathroom.
Here's another list of stories, and I swear they sound like satire. However having researched some of the group's idea, I think they are serious.
http://eagnews.org/topics/indoctrination/
Erose999
(5,624 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)In world full of lemmings the last thing the establishment wants is free thinking teachers who can figure out what is appropriate dress on their own