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20score

(4,769 posts)
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:06 PM May 2014

Today’s INCREDIBLY Easy to Make Predictions

(Not afraid to put this in writing due to my natural ability to see the future. John Edward - the psychic - has nothin’ on me!)

Future generations will look back at our time and the conventional wisdom will hold the following positions - or your money back.

1. The Iraq War was a moral and moronic failure.
2. Global warming should have been dealt with decades ago and the deniers of yesteryear sucked as humans.
3. Over-population is a very, very big problem. Biggest really.
4. George Bush was a humorous, criminal, embarrassment.
5. Edward Snowden was a hero. So was Glen Greenwald.
6. Taking care of the middle and working classes was a damned good idea. We should have kept up with it.
7. Making the ultra-wealthy and corporations pay their fair share of taxes should have been carried on through the 21st century.
8. Mountaintop removal was just plain evil.
9. Solar and hydrogen power are far better than fossil fuels.
10. People attracted to the same sex are able to marry whomever they choose and the world kept spinning.
11. A few extremely wealthy people in a land filled with a majority that find it hard to take care of basic needs - does not a great country make.
12. Our ancestors gave up our rights far too easily. What was wrong with them?

My crystal ball needs to recharge its aura… or something. May be back later to add to this list.

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Today’s INCREDIBLY Easy to Make Predictions (Original Post) 20score May 2014 OP
That is an all-time DU post underpants May 2014 #1
Thanks! 20score May 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author mokawanis May 2014 #2
And some of us in our generation will be judged accordingly. God help them... CTyankee May 2014 #3
Could not agree more. 20score May 2014 #4
+1 a whole fucking bunch. Enthusiast May 2014 #56
We should have kept the Fairness Doctrine. Or at least an updated version of it. punkin87 May 2014 #5
That would shut down Fox. 20score May 2014 #45
Ain't that the damned truth! Enthusiast May 2014 #57
Number 4? George Bush was a humorous, criminal, embarrassment? A Simple Game May 2014 #6
I have a book and calendar of Bushisms. I was thinking of those. 20score May 2014 #8
Think of every time he opened his mouth smallcat88 May 2014 #12
The day he was selected.... AlbertCat May 2014 #13
I think back marym625 May 2014 #19
I stumbled over "humorous" as well...I think "laughable" or "ridiculous" are more accurate deutsey May 2014 #47
Here's another. Oakenshield May 2014 #7
ACES!!! Should be up near the top! calimary May 2014 #43
F'ing SPOT ON !!! alittlelark May 2014 #9
Thanks! 20score May 2014 #29
Just remember one thing. zeemike May 2014 #10
They planned this marym625 May 2014 #14
With very little to no opposition. Boomerproud May 2014 #24
so sadly marym625 May 2014 #60
When they selected an actor to play the role of president... Blanks May 2014 #50
yep. marym625 May 2014 #61
Already think this. marym625 May 2014 #11
Only one I can't figure out is the marriage equality. There's so much money in that. AlbertCat May 2014 #15
True. marym625 May 2014 #18
Thanks! 20score May 2014 #32
13. Our new robot overlords have proved to be surprisingly wise and capable. Ken Burch May 2014 #16
Spot On! smallcat88 May 2014 #17
Thanks! 20score May 2014 #38
Inconceivably INCREDIBLE!!!! n/t xocet May 2014 #20
A mixed bag.....I dunno about number 5, TBH. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #21
The Supreme Court Committed Sedition in 2000 Wolf Frankula May 2014 #22
Along with other awful rulings that were horrible sakabatou May 2014 #26
Bravo!!! Duppers May 2014 #23
Hello Duppers! 20score May 2014 #25
Hello, my friend. Duppers May 2014 #30
It has been a long time. Great to see you as always. 20score May 2014 #31
Private prisons are a huge ugly stain on American history. Scuba May 2014 #27
Hell yes they are. 20score May 2014 #28
Agree with all but one Separation May 2014 #33
Land is not the issue. Resources are. randome May 2014 #39
Water, food, and fuel use... the 3 big problems with spreading the population. nt Bigmack May 2014 #53
You're charging that crystal ball with a solar panel, right? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #34
Of course. 20score May 2014 #35
I recently built a portable solar power system... ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #36
Very cool! 20score May 2014 #37
5. Snowden will voluntarily give up his exile in Russia and return to face charges. randome May 2014 #40
Unbelievable. Your take on both is extremely depressing. 20score May 2014 #41
Not trying to be prescient. Just calling it as I see it. randome May 2014 #42
5 has already been proven dead ass'd wrong... Hero != put peoples lives in greater danger uponit7771 May 2014 #46
Take a number from our other hero, Julian Assange. randome May 2014 #48
wow, the more I hear about these guys from people who are leaning against their actions the uponit7771 May 2014 #49
Overpopulation? grahampuba May 2014 #51
It's both of course. They are not mutually exclusive. 20score May 2014 #52
I think it's fear of a dying world. Dawgs May 2014 #55
On number 9 - I disagree. Blanks May 2014 #54
Your list is right thus far ... In_The_Wind May 2014 #58
Wr should have stopped the formation of the ONE BIG CORPORATION when we had a chance Armstead May 2014 #59

Response to 20score (Original post)

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
6. Number 4? George Bush was a humorous, criminal, embarrassment?
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:48 PM
May 2014

If he was fictional maybe he would have been humorous but what did he do in real life that I am to view as humorous?

Otherwise an excellent start on the reaction of future generations, and some not so future generations.

20score

(4,769 posts)
8. I have a book and calendar of Bushisms. I was thinking of those.
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:56 PM
May 2014

Don't get me wrong, the millions of lives he either ended or made worse are in no way humorous.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
13. The day he was selected....
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:26 PM
May 2014

..... was the epicenter... everyone should have seen the end of America then. I mean Dick Cheney was undisclosed location president afterward! C'mon! So Halliburton wouldn't go under. Remember? It's scary to think that you lived in the thick of that mess. Ta-ta America. But remember there was hope when Sarah Palin was rejected...and Romney. Not perfect, but.... look at the mess we're in the thick of now...

which brings us back to the original post....

marym625

(17,997 posts)
19. I think back
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:47 PM
May 2014

To that time and am angered at so many things. It is still unbelievable. Slowly they have torn the constitution, our country and the world apart. Roe v wade is a joke now. Affirmative action, VRA, etc. god damn they allowed prayer in school the other day.

We are fucked.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
43. ACES!!! Should be up near the top!
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:39 AM
May 2014

That so-called "American Exceptionalism" died the day we turned our backs on NASA as a priority.

Besides, I'm one of those who believes that the only way our species can hope to survive through the next centuries - is to find a way to get off our planet. Space colonization is the only long-range answer. We need several space stations, a colony on the moon, a colony on Mars, and that's only for starters. We need to figure out gravity differentials and velocity issues and other challenges .

I keep thinking about what Stephen Hawking said when somebody asked him about the fabled warp drive we only enjoy when watching "Star Trek" and other sci-fi. His answer: "we're working on it." I feel like Princess Leia in that holographic SOS - "help me Obi-wan Hawking! You're our only hope!"

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
9. F'ing SPOT ON !!!
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:05 PM
May 2014

Your post is one of the 20 or so best I have read here. I talk to my teens about this issue....

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
10. Just remember one thing.
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:23 PM
May 2014

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

― George Orwell, 1984

And they are counting on controlling the present.
And if they do then all of those points will be flipped and George Bush will be a great figure in our history...and that is what will be taught in school.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
14. They planned this
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:27 PM
May 2014

Decades ago. Slow, tirelessly laid out and brought to fruition. Very little deviation.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
50. When they selected an actor to play the role of president...
Mon May 19, 2014, 01:29 PM
May 2014

If they'd had an actor instead of McCain or Romney - they would control all three branches.

Did you notice how McCain tried to sound like Reagan on the campaign trail and how Romney looked like Reagan.

Reagan used to be a democrat - until they offered him the opportunity to become president. He studied the role and when he spoke he seemed to actually believe what he was saying.

He was just acting. Pretending that he was the most powerful man in the world.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. Already think this.
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:23 PM
May 2014

Each one is correct and each problem should have been dealt with a long time ago.

Biggest issue is, the people causing the problems don't give a damn. Most are not stupid, just filled with greed. Only one I can't figure out is the marriage equality. There's so much money in that. The only thing I can figure is it is a way to keep the stupid religious fanatics buying the rest of the bullshit. They have to do something to keep them lapping up the talking points and idiocy.

There's a philosophy that says everything will eventually right itself (I can't think of the name of it.) it basically says that doing nothing or doing everything won't make a difference in the long run. Personally, I think the horrors have gone on so long, it's already too late. We're screwed. Not just as a country but as a species (#3 particularly )

Nice article. Looking forward to more predictions.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. Only one I can't figure out is the marriage equality. There's so much money in that.
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:28 PM
May 2014

The church has more.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
17. Spot On!
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:33 PM
May 2014

Add this one: They will wonder how stupid we had to be to elect a president who believes the Earth is 6000 years old and that a book pieced together from a lot of manuscripts floating around in the third century is more accurate than provable science.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
21. A mixed bag.....I dunno about number 5, TBH.
Sun May 18, 2014, 08:12 PM
May 2014

I'd probably replace it with something like, "Literal 'White privilege' was such a dumb & outdated meme. Why did we run with it?", or "We should have given the pragmatic Democrats a chance when we still could".....and add "....but the doomers weren't much better" to number 2.

OTOH, number 10 in particular was fantastic.

Wolf Frankula

(3,600 posts)
22. The Supreme Court Committed Sedition in 2000
Sun May 18, 2014, 08:40 PM
May 2014

usurping the power of the House of Representatives.

The media was corporate and government controlled in the late 20th, early 21st centuries. The free individual media we have now is much better.

People then actually believed in a minor Hebrew deity who ruled the whole universe.

Countries had standing armies then, what fools.

Wolf

sakabatou

(42,152 posts)
26. Along with other awful rulings that were horrible
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:17 PM
May 2014

mostly dealing with campaign finance, banks, among others

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
30. Hello, my friend.
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:30 PM
May 2014

You're not posting a lot lately but when you do, they're doozies.

You even mentioned over-population here which is a touchy subject for some DUers. I recently had yet another dispute with a person here regarding this subject. My hat's off to you, sir! Well done per usual.



20score

(4,769 posts)
31. It has been a long time. Great to see you as always.
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:39 PM
May 2014

As for the ignorant, they're not to be feared, just educated. Glad you are still fighting the good fight.

Thanks Duppers!

Separation

(1,975 posts)
33. Agree with all but one
Sun May 18, 2014, 11:21 PM
May 2014

The whole overpopulation thing. There is so much land not being used just here in the US. I don't have any neighbors for at least 2 miles. The transit time to the closest town, Cookeville, is about 45 minutes away. That's about the average commute time for workers.

I just think that if we got out of the cities and moved into a more rural area, started growing our on food, using the local coops or farmers markets things would be better.

In Oct I will have been here for a year. My last station was in Tampa. I dread of even thinking of ever having to go back. Thankfully I don't.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. Land is not the issue. Resources are.
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:13 AM
May 2014

The damage to the environment by massive farming to feed the vast numbers of people and to provide them with shelter, transportation, technology, etc.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
36. I recently built a portable solar power system...
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:22 AM
May 2014

...based on the video below (and a couple of others) using this solar panel kit and a couple of deep cycle marine batteries and Cobra inverter from the dreaded Walmart. It was a fun DIY solar project and I've already taken it camping and it powered all our lights, ran the radio and laptop, charged mobile devices including cell phones and tablets and, most importantly, it powered the blender to make mixed drinks .

I love it because it charges (even with clouds) the batteries back up during the day and you can turn it toward the Sun as it progresses through the day. At night, it's charged up and ready for the lights, the radio, AND the blender!

*Hiccup!*

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
40. 5. Snowden will voluntarily give up his exile in Russia and return to face charges.
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:15 AM
May 2014

Greenwald will be A. Forgotten or B. Given a Fox News panelist position.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
42. Not trying to be prescient. Just calling it as I see it.
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:30 AM
May 2014

I agree with everything else you posted except for the last one. I think most people are coming to terms with the Information Age and how it intrudes into our lives. I don't think we'll ever have that fine-tuned. The Internet wants to be open to the world and yet secure, two diametrically opposed ideals.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
48. Take a number from our other hero, Julian Assange.
Mon May 19, 2014, 12:01 PM
May 2014

When he was asked about the danger to informants: "Fuck 'em. They deserve to die."

Which is eerily similar to Snowden's remarks about leakers: "They should be shot in the balls."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
49. wow, the more I hear about these guys from people who are leaning against their actions the
Mon May 19, 2014, 12:04 PM
May 2014

... more the seem to be a slimy, self centered bunch of people

grahampuba

(169 posts)
51. Overpopulation?
Mon May 19, 2014, 01:40 PM
May 2014

Is overpopulation or over-consumption the problem.

The little info-graphic showing the world population concentrated relative to major urban areas kinda makes you question the overpopulation issue.

http://persquaremile.com/2011/01/18/if-the-worlds-population-lived-in-one-city/

20score

(4,769 posts)
52. It's both of course. They are not mutually exclusive.
Mon May 19, 2014, 01:48 PM
May 2014

If consumption were cut by 60 percent, the rate of destruction of wilderness, wildlife and oceans would far exceed what should be allowed. And since the population is exploding exponentially, we would be in the same place as we are now - very soon.

I really don't understand why people can't see something this obvious.Is it religion? What?

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
55. I think it's fear of a dying world.
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:09 PM
May 2014

They don't want to believe that their children's futures will be affected so they pretend that certain things don't exist.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
54. On number 9 - I disagree.
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:05 PM
May 2014

Hydrogen isn't the answer. Unless you're talking about the hydrogen in methane gas.

Harnessing the methane gas in our waste is the way to go. The folks fighting for a 'hydrogen economy' are fighting to keep the people who are in control of our energy supply in control of our future energy supply.

The technology is available for converting waste to methane - the only thing missing is storage. Methane is also a greenhouse gas, and even if we cut CO2 emissions and did nothing about methane we'd still find ourselves in trouble - because unlike CO2 methane is lighter than air. As far as I know the technology for the hydrogen economy is still in development whereas countries like India have been using methane gas for quite a while.

That's just my 2 cents worth. Of course you're right on solar, but I'd rather see more CSP (concentrated solar power) -as well as solar panels because I think we could use more readily available materials to create CSP and it could be used on a small scale system where something like methane gas was used in hours of darkness to generate electricity and CSP during the daytime. It's basically evaporated water driving turbines - just needs a heat source.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
59. Wr should have stopped the formation of the ONE BIG CORPORATION when we had a chance
Sun May 25, 2014, 08:02 AM
May 2014

"Dammit I hate the fact that WALMARTKOCHSACHSCOMCASTUNITEDHEALTHGEDISNEYMURDOCH CORP. has us by the short and curlies because they own everything."

"They now own the whole economy and political system, and have them so wrapped up that it has prevented the possibility of anyone ever forming a new business to compete with them."

"Why didn't those idiots back in the 20th and 21st Century see that coming? Why did they sit on their fat asses inseatd of actually preventing the mergers that and political surrnder that led to this?"

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