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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe we need a DU "white persons' group".
That way we can discuss the unique challenges facing white people in America. The pain and anger of being reminded of one's white privilege. The n-word double standard. The presumed inability to jump.
Yes, I'm sure non-white people care about all these issues, but it would be nice for us white folk to be able to discuss in a dedicated forum, with people who share the same experiences. Somewhere we can talk about how we're totally so not at all racist, we're just saying...
We could also consider merging the white persons' group with the men's group. That way we cover the two most repressed elements of the US population at once. Billionaires who feel threatened by discussions of income inequality, y'all are welcome too. As are straight people marginalized by the "gay agenda". And throw in the gungeon for good measure.
Of course, we'll need a name for this new forum. Maybe something about "freedom". Or we could go with the "storm" metaphor...
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)And I cheered when he suggested combining the White People's Group with the Men's Group and the Straight People Oppressed by Gays Group. One big amalgam of whining, clueless, PRIVILEGED stupidity in one group for the whole world to see. They could name it the "WAAAANNHHH!" forum.
This OP sums up the hysteria, moaning and whining over all this better than anything anyone could have typed. The responses to the white privilege threads are why so many black posters have left and the rest of us don't even bother anymore.
Hekate
(90,667 posts)I feel your pain -- in the ass!
It actually is a brilliant OP.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)you da best!
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)so have fun trashing most of the forum...
sP
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)firearms hobbyists.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Could be a good name..
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Do it. I will laugh all day long and never post in their protected group.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)"How come they get to say the n-word?"
bravenak
(34,648 posts)People still ask me that question to this day. Why?
It's one word.
White dude used it here, and i used it back. I got alerted. So I guess they can say it if they want to. I can't though.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's a sickness.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I can tell you, I was raised in a very white middle-class family during the virtual height of the "self-esteem for everyone" era (that is, the 90's) and even I am frankly astonished at the petty self-centeredness of some of these folks.
And adding insult to injury, they give folks who look like me a bad name. Which I fucking hate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Classic. They're a multi racial group. Mouths hanging open, shocked at his little tirade.
I wasn't going to talk to him again after the roots thing, but they made him apologize, so he did.
Worst apology ever!!!!!!
You blacks can stay and work for us?? Wtf? Like he was doing me a solid. I'm going wherever 'he' ships the undesirables off to. Not staying here with him. To serve.
This is why i hate when people get all nostalgic about the past. Fun for them, drudgery for me. Yay!!!
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)because, that's like bad or something.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thats the worst thing you could do.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)talking skin color, I'm talking who they are. I mean, really, plenty of white people are "Ns" just like there are plenty of black "N"s. The shiftless, lazy, brutish, pickaninnies, Uncle Toms, mammies, and the lazy whites all get that title. It's who you are not the color of your skin. I'm so tired of being lumped in with racists!
:snarkasm:
I think it's time white folks band together to cast off the oppression. I mean, it's the only way to exercise power. White Power!
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I had this conversation a few days ago with a Ragnar Lodbrok dude. He was serious.
Except he want to keep the blacks ( so we can work for him wtf) and get rid of latinos.
He says that the white man was here first. His wife is Athabaskan. Her eyes constantly roll around in her head. Drives her nuts.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)He probably thought he was paying you a heartfelt compliment. Honoring you with the concession that your people make for good slaves.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He literally gave me the ol' nudge nudge wink wink. I laughed so hard, i almost peed.
He said, 'at least you're the right type of colored" big smile. ' you know english' big grin.
I had to just go inside. Too much for me right there. I felt sorry for him.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I had already gone a round with him a few days before when he called my husband white and told him to make me watch roots. I knew what time it was.
That was his apology for the roots thing.
Never feel sorry for what dumbasses do. I am strong. Ich bin stark. You have to admit, it was funny that he was so serious.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)caricature.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It was super funny.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Gotta give the guy marks for sheer chutzpah, I guess, if nothing else...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bold as hell, full of privilege. I wish i had recorded it.
His wife....... I feel for her. She is a battered woman, so i give her a break.
Once he mooned me, i had to go., though.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Unless you mean racism against white people...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I think that is the very definition of "uppity" don't you think?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)has a ring to it
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Just look at the discussions about white privilege. For example:
"1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
...
"
Notice how that is ALL about the white person, and many are the same. Not about the black kid who is arrested for the same behavior as the white kid who gets mostly nothing, not about the black folk who are preyed on with a higher interest rate while the President appoints people who see no need to investigate, while black people are assumed to be perpetrators and shot for things that white people do all the time...
Yet when it is discussed here, as above, it is almost always from the "I" viewpoint, from the eyes and about the feelings of the white person, never about the two-faced lie they live in not getting completely enraged as they would be if the same things happened to their family or children.
One may not like it, but it is so. Perhaps we need a completely different solution that doesn't focus, like most of our lives, on white people.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)sarcasm is all about the white person\people.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)to most people
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)We've got one for the poor oppressed men who insist that US and global trends regarding gender inequality be shouted down, because their personal feelings get hurt when we try to talk about sexism issues in the aggregate, and/or from women's life experiences.
Definitely a similar group for white people is only fair-- so they can, likewise, fume about the uppity blacks who dare insist that there are such things as statistics and shared experience.
Is there a racial equivalent of "Hawt Babes" that could also be a popular topic for OP's?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)*ducks*
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I'm actually stumped, though...I can't think of a strictly racial equivalent, separate from the "<ethnic> babes are hawt to f***" angle.
Hrmmmmmm. uh......oh, wait!....err.....nope. No ideas coming to mind.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)two quite different things.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thanks!
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)has gotten the recognition is deserves. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4951636
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)For the Plessy Ferguson Champagne Suite of Caucasian Corner.
Only the best will do for DU.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thats good. The Champagne will go good with all the caviar they'll be eating.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)We might have to make the John C. Calhoun Caucasian Corner a VIP area.
CTyankee
(63,911 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Last edited Thu May 15, 2014, 02:20 PM - Edit history (1)
Mr. slavery as a positive good has a college at Yale named for him?
CTyankee
(63,911 posts)held slaves. It was revealed a few years ago by a Yalie who did some research and dropped that bombshell. Kinda embarrassing. We haven't heard any more about since then...but I remember being stunned.
Here is a list of all the 12 residential colleges:
Residential colleges are named for important figures or places in university history or notable alumni; they are deliberately not named for benefactors.
Berkeley College named for the Rt. Rev. George Berkeley (16851753), early benefactor of Yale.
Branford College named for Branford, Connecticut, the town in which Yale was founded.
Calhoun College named for John C. Calhoun, vice-president of the United States. The smallest college.
Davenport College named for Rev. John Davenport, the founder of New Haven. Often called "D'port".
Ezra Stiles College named for the Rev. Ezra Stiles, a president of Yale. Generally called "Stiles," despite an early-1990s crusade by then-master Traugott Lawler to preserve the use of the full name in everyday speech. Its buildings were designed by Eero Saarinen.
Jonathan Edwards College named for theologian, Yale alumnus, and Princeton University co-founder Jonathan Edwards. Generally called "J.E." The oldest of the residential colleges, J.E. is the only college with an independent endowment, the Jonathan Edwards Trust.
Morse College named for Samuel Morse, inventor of Morse Code. Also designed by Eero Saarinen.
Pierson College named for Yale's first rector, Abraham Pierson.
Saybrook College named for Old Saybrook, Connecticut, where Yale was briefly located.
Silliman College named for noted scientist and Yale professor Benjamin Silliman. About half of its structures were originally part of the Sheffield Scientific School,
Timothy Dwight College named for the two Yale presidents of that name, Timothy Dwight IV and Timothy Dwight V. Usually called "T.D."
Trumbull College named for Jonathan Trumbull, 18th-century governor of Connecticut.
Gotta love that Jonathan "sinners in the hands of an angry God" Edwards!
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)I'm a direct descendent, on my dad's side, of Jonathan Edwards, which somehow a US history prof I TAed for knew meant I was related to Eleanor Roosevelt, though I'm not sure exactly how that family tree works. They stuck me with the Edwards as one of my middle names.
CTyankee
(63,911 posts)My former boss was a Silliman, a direct descendent of Benjamin Silliman for whom Silliman College is named.
Cool about you being related to Eleanor Roosevelt! Kinda cancels out that grouchy old Puritan.
Here's trivia for you: Paul Krugman was a "'hounie," so not all is bad with Calhoun College...
kwassa
(23,340 posts)A long-awaited report on Brown Universitys 18th-century links to slavery should dispel any lingering smugness among Northerners that slavery was essentially a Southern problem.
The report establishes that Brown did indeed benefit in its early years from money generated by the slave trade and by industries dependent on slavery. It did so in an era when slavery permeated the social and economic life of Rhode Island. Slaves accounted for 10 percent of the states population in the mid-18th century, when Brown was founded, and Rhode Island served as a northern hub of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, mounting at least 1,000 voyages that carried more than 100,000 Africans into slavery over the course of a century.
The Brown report is the latest revelation that Northern businesses and institutions benefited from slavery. Countless other institutions might be surprised, and ashamed, if they dug deeply into their pasts as Brown has over the past three years.
The Committee on Slavery and Justice, composed of faculty, students and administrators, found that some 30 members of Browns governing board owned or captained slave ships, and donors sometimes contributed slave labor to help in construction. The Brown family owned slaves and engaged in the slave trade, although one family member became a leading abolitionist and had his own brother prosecuted for illegal slave trading. The college did not own or trade slaves.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/23/opinion/23mon3.html?_r=0
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)I apologize for posting face pictures rather than showing them in bikinis. I'm still suffering from my Dworkonite indoctrination, which has left with me the false illusion that women are human beings. Perhaps with time and exposure to a group like the OP describes, I can overcome that brainwashing. Already the men's group has taught me that George Clooney's fiancé significance is not as a human rights attorney but rather as just another one of thousands of hawt, bikini babes. See, I am learning.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I mean, it is womEN isn't it and not all the same person???
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)They all look alike, kind of like those blondes Hugh Hefner used to live with.
Hekate
(90,667 posts)Godot51
(239 posts)... would be my recommendation.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)- that bearded dude from Nazareth (no, not the Scottish one!)
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)caraher
(6,278 posts)"I don't see race online, but people tell me I'm white and I believe them, because when I read the words "white privilege" I get uncomfortable and feel the need to explain why I'm a good person."
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Thank you Thank you Thank you for that huge belly laugh!
You got it...
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Or leave some sort of obvious clue. Anything else is just a lucky guess if right.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)"the music moves me but it moves me ugly"
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and I'm both.
maybe it's what one posts that gets them bashed.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Orrex
(63,207 posts)Tomato, tomato.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And I concur with CreekDog, I'm a (very) straight white dude and I've never once been "bashed" by anyone here.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Quite the opposite.
But I guess that makes it all too complicated.
Go ahead and hate me for my skin color.
In the name of equality, and the effort to end racism, of course.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Got it.
Here's a fun thing to do -
Substitute the word "White" for "Black" and see how non-racist it is.
Then maybe look up the word "hypocrite."
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Don't like being reminded of unpleasant realities (past and present)? Tough shit!
Number23
(24,544 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)As long as that color is White.
Racist hypocrisy?
Yes, you're soaking in it.
And you're quite a poor debater, now throwing the horrible plight of slaves up to hide behind.
Pretty disgusting move, but not surprising at this point.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)If anything, they're being criticized for their blindness to the lingering effects of racism. That's not the same thing no matter how badly you want it to be.
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(19,768 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Being born White and male in the U.S. is a DISTINCT advantage:
as of 2010 compared to White male's salaries in the U.S. (at 100%)
Black men 74.5% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic men 65.9% (of White males salaries)
White women 80.5% (of White males salaries)
Black women 69.6% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic women 59.8% (of White males salaries)
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)In the last five years I have gone hungry for lack of food, finally going on food stamps. Have pawned my only car, a 98 Ford Escort with ~ 170,000 miles on it, to pay the electricity bill. Have had foreclosure proceedings started on my home twice, been sued by a hospital for non-payment of charges from an emergency visit, and continue to struggle to make ends meet. I've sold my tv, my bedroom furniture, even two sago palms from my back yard to get by. And that's just a glimpse.
Neither the grocery store, nor the electric company, nor the water company, nor the trash collectors, nor the hospital, etc., none of them offered to help me because I'm White. Not a single one.
Where was my White privilege?!
Another little bit of info for you. I grew up in a poor, predominantly Black neighborhood. Life was hard for everyone there. And nobody ever came down the street offering to liberate me and my family from poverty because we were White.
Where was my White privilege?!
Maybe my life experience compels me to point out the hypocritically racist ridicule and maligning of Whites (and heterosexuals and males and Christians, etc), like that found in the OP. Or maybe it's just that I abhor hypocrisy and hypocrites.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)+1
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(19,768 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I'm really into women (both sexually and as people).
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)My mistake.
I guess.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)A Freudian slip, also called parapraxis, is an error in speech, memory, or physical action that is interpreted as occurring due to the interference of an unconscious ("dynamically repressed" subdued wish, conflict, or train of thought guided by the ego and the rules of correct behaviour. They reveal a "source outside the speech". The concept is thus part of classical psychoanalysis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)While at the same time implying that white males are somehow oppressed.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)That doesn't back up what you accused me of. No defense of bigotry there. Apparent to anyone who can read.
Next.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I really do enjoy the crosses you've constructed for yourself... they're quite imaginative and creative.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)And we can include our oppressed Ukranian brothers and sisters in the CC group.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)cutting satire perhaps?
naw. Truth.
hunter
(38,311 posts)It started in middle school when I got the nickname "queerbait."
I quit high school for college (I was good at taking tests) and I threw away the childhood social baggage to be my own eccentric self.
Quitting high school for college was one of my best decisions EVER.
I look back in time and all the other paths would have been hell.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)male privilege. I support it so much I've become an advocate for conferring it upon everyone. If I wanted to both divide and generate resentment within the progressive movement though, I'd beat the topic of white male privilege like a drum.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Old white Men ,,,,,,,, we can call it the ,,,,,,,,,,
fbc
(1,668 posts)I think white males are the only ethnic/gender group that voted in favor of Romney, so maybe we could discuss why such a high percentage of us are assholes.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)K&R
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)This OP is bang on brilliant. Spotless.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Good, I got that out of my system, it's been bugging me for years like the flu. And it popped up again and made me sneeze...
Number23
(24,544 posts)Oh, yeah. That's a keeper!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Banana Republic ran out of khakis?
(To quote Carlin.)
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...of both Swiss and Irish slavemasters who like to hang-out in the slave quarters after dark, I suppose I'm white enough. I'm a possessor of XY chromosomes I inherited from my parents (and slavemaster ancestors) so that makes me man enough. I am an official 1/100000000th Billionaire, so I have some money and therefore can at least throw that into the Wall Street pile and lose it like any red-blooded American can. So I'm monied enough, for a micro-second anyway. I'm at least a 3.1 on the Kinsey, so that makes me officially ''straight.''
- And everyone at DU knows there's no one more gungeony here, than DeSwiss!
K&R
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Black History Month and BET, and all those other institutions that make life such for white people.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Or anything. What about white history month?
I swear to God I saw the first one on DU. It won't be long until we hear that about being persecuted by not having White History month.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)they really hate that one!
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,571 posts)oneofthe99
(712 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)than poorer whites.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)In all seriousness, though, I doubt you'll find anyone on DU who actually believes that.....other than the occasional troll.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)The fact DU is 98% white isn't enough. We definitely need our own group. Having to deal with all this color is just bumming me out, man.
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Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)by calling it "racism" or "racial discrimination" instead of using a useless, divisive and alienating new "white privilege" term that very clearly has done nothing but spawn hundreds of posts of people screaming at each other comparing everyone's various privileges and non-privileges they deal with in various situations while forgetting all about talking about the very real problem of racism.
Seems to me the term "racism" or "racial discrimination" always worked out just fine here before (not to mention anywhere else we've been when the subject is discussed), and people of all hues discussed the very real problem of racism without anyone's hair going up in flames or getting totally off the subject of the very real problem of racism by instead making up lists of everyone's various privileges and non-privileges and mapping them onto any random situation.
Here's what I learned about the term "white privilege". It's bogus. And it is because though racism is a very real problem no white person is always going to be privileged over every person of color in every situation because there's a HUGE list of other privileges or non-privileges both of those people have that are going to make one more fortunate than the other depending on every single different situation and person and how much is known about them. I've been reading that 'well, all other things being equal other than race the person of color is the non-privileged one every time.' Really? You'd have to be dense as a huge ball of lead to believe that and for two reasons:
1) There ARE no two people of different races where everything else is going to be equal - EVER - because we're all extremely individual people with a plethora of both privileges and non-privileges depending upon the situation, and how much is known about us, AND...
2) There are numerous situations where being a person of color IS the one privileged by their race as in many situations where the white person is the one who is of the minority race. And there likely isn't a white person here who hasn't been in such a situation at least once in their life and learned first hand what it was like to be discriminated against because of their race. And believe it or not us white folk that have been in such situations DO have something positive to contribute about racism being a very real problem because of those situations teaching us what it FEELS like to be discriminated against for no other reason than the color of their skin.
Now, here's and idea: how about we dump this useless "white privilege" term that is CLEARLY not working to further the cause of eradicating racism much less even being able to get into that discussion at ALL and get back to discussing the very real problem of racism by talking about the very real problem of racism.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)on racism therefore is owned by those on the other side of the aisle, dust off their hands and move on. Secure in the knowledge that if there are any lingering issues invving racism, it's the conservatives who are the problem.
But that isn't so. And that is why the term "white privilege" exists and why it is necessary.
There have been so many posts explaining this already on this site. There are many more on other sites. Just in case you're interested
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It doesn't work the other way 'round.
You can not get people to see privilege without first seeing others disadvantage. Attempting to put the cart before the horse prevents the people in question from seeing either disadvantage or privilege.
And yes, even among people who accept the concept, discussion leads to a huge matrix math problem for which no one can agree on the values placed in each cell. I envision it as playing the pokemon card game with no defined point system.
Unproductive conversations ensue; "My neurotypical privilege is negated by your skinny privilege!"
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)BTW, I get the sarcasm here......but if anything at all, perhaps we could build a safe haven for those people who believe in "white privilege", or any other type of "privilege" really; IMHO, that would likely solve many of our problems. Maybe we could call it the "Privilege Discussion Corner" or something? Just a thought.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)since most people at DU believe in it, according to polls there have been and how many recs the threads for vs against get. It would be weird to have a corner that occupied more people than the rest of the room.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)(Especially for literal "white privilege" Honestly, I didn't really start hearing about white privilege on this site until just last year, and I'd been a member since June of 2011(was lurking for a bit before that). (of course, I'd known about the concept since 2008-09 as you may have heard, and even adhered to it once.....even if I no longer do these days)
And do notice, too, that DU has 180,000+ members these days, but with only maybe a few thousand active posters. More than likely, it honestly seems that many of those people who DO believe in white privilege(especially the literalist version) are willing to be rather open about it, and in the reverse, most who don't believe don't really seem to care one way or the other. So take that as you will.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Unless your "silent majority" are actually trolls (certainly possible), they most likely fall in line with the rest of DU. The white privilege deniers seem to be a small group of vocal conservatives -- not surprisingly, a lot of them come from the gungeon.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Please proceed, Governor.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)They tell the story. The silent "majority" can still rec threads, you know.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)The silent "majority" can still rec threads, you know.They could. But they don't.....because they simply don't really care all that much, compared to myself and some others. And, well, I'm okay with that. However, though, I'm afraid some others are still in complete denial about how the cards are really stacked in this regard.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Why do you assume most people agree with you? I think there's some denial going on here but it isn't everyone but you.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)If he doesn't believe something, he can't imagine the possibility that the view could have any validity or popularity.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)What you think is right. If anyone disagrees with you, they must not really exist. Even if there are only a handful of recs supporting your view and 100 on the other side, it doesn't count because the only reality is your view of the world.
That Joe, is why you don't understand people. You aren't alone. There are some others like you, and it is the best demonstration of white privilege and entitlement that exists.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)But then again, it's no surprise, as you seem to have a real problem with context.....
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)No where.
Why do you assume my posts need to repeat what you say? You do that all the time with everyone. It gets no where. How about try to think about what I actually said for a change? Okay. It's a lost cause. I know. Never mind. Carry on talking to yourself. I won't interrupt.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I'm afraid that it's becoming rather clear to me that you aren't just willfully blind. You seem to doing some of this stuff deliberately. Why? I dunno. But it's too obvious not to notice that something's off.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)there is a majority of people too intimidated to as a much as recommend a thread?
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)That's not what I said or implied, at all. See? You're taking my words outta context, again.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Okay, Joe. You're right about everything. I'm wrong about everything. Nothing matters other than exactly what you say.
That's not what I said or implied, at all. See? You're taking my words outta context, again.
Happy now?
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)The silent "majority" can still rec threads, you know.
They could. But they don't.....because they simply don't really care all that much, compared to myself and some others. And, well, I'm okay with that. However, though, I'm afraid some others are still in complete denial about how the cards are really stacked in this regard.
Why don't you explain how you know that.
Why do you assume it is the people who have gotten hundreds of recs who are in denial, as opposed to the side that has gotten only a few?
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)You ASSUME more people think like you, EVEN when all evidence shows the contrary. You do so BECAUSE you can't conceive of a world in which you are not at it's center. There must be thousands of DUers terrified to leave a simple rec because your views are the only ones that could possibly be accurate.
The idea that you could be wrong about anything or that another point of view could predominate is something that doesn't occur to you. That is why you post and post without ever communicating. What we say is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is you.
Dealing with you is like talking to a climate change denier. Even numerical evidence means nothing to you. You don't care that you have no evidence to support your contention that more people agree with you. Evidence means nothing. That you believe it means it must be the majority view because it's the only view that matters.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Because it seems to irk you so bad that someone who happens to be a (guy) feminist disagreeing with you on some of your pet topics, or whatever.
That is why you post and post without ever communicating.
That's bullshit. I'm sorry, but that's what it is. I actually have tried communicating. And that hasn't worked.....because you won't consider what I have to say, even though I've done what I can to do consider *your* viewpoints.
What we say is irrelevant
Pot, meet kettle. In all honesty, I'd like to kindly suggest that you please take a moment to reflect and gain some introspection; IMO, I think you could use some.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)The point is a simple one: numbers of recs give a general idea of how prevalent a view is on the site.
You say you don't care about numbers of recs. Even though very few people rec threads that support your view (the threads you rec) you continue to assume your view is more popular.
Therefore it is you who are ignoring the numbers.
My view is of one person. Yours is of one person. The recs show roughly how many people support those views.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The idea that you could be wrong about anything or that another point of view could predominate is something that doesn't occur to you. That is why you post and post without ever communicating. What we say is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is you.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)No offense meant, but it seems you've become so blinded by your wishful thinking that you can't see the forest for the trees.
In many cases, polls really only mean something to those who invest the intellectual and emotional energy to participate in them; this is no exception. In other words, many people don't really care all that much, even those who would outright agree with me & others of the like mind; in all honesty, I guess I would be grateful if more people were active on my side of the debate, but I realize that I am one of only a small number who actually cares enough(though in my case, I was kind of forced to make a stand, by circumstance) to make their voices heard. And I'm fine with that. But you guys don't have a lot in the way of numbers either, though.....oh, and by the way, don't confuse understanding that People of Color, women, LGBTs, etc. do still face extra stumbling blocks(something I would imagine that most people on here get), with believing that this is because white people have literal collective "privilege", because they really and truly are not quite the same thing.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Look at the threads about privilege. Many people agree with the concept, and only a handful don't. Thread after thread after thread. Why do you assume you're right about everything, with smug things like "to be honest" and "actually, the truth is" added to every post. You are really arrogant. If you read the threads, it's really clear that most people at DU agree that privilege exists, and with it being called privilege. And I've found the same with progressive groups of people IRL.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)If you count those, then it's nearly unanimous that privilege is a myth and white people are the real victims!
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)can't bring themselves to click the rec button a thread.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)How about a forum simply for those who deny it exists, and place it in the Creative Speculation area? Which would then solve many more problems...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but some refuse to accept the facts....like these
Being born White and male is a DISTINCT advantage:
as of 2010 compared to White male's salaries in the U.S. (at 100%)
Black men 74.5% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic men 65.9% (of White males salaries)
White women 80.5% (of White males salaries)
Black women 69.6% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic women 59.8% (of White males salaries)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)White men with prison records receive far more offers for entry-level jobs in New York City than black men with identical records, and are offered jobs just as often - if not more so - than black men who have never been arrested, according to a new study by two Princeton professors.
The study, the first to assess the effect of race on job searches by ex-convicts, also found that black men who had never been in trouble with the law were about half as likely as whites with similar backgrounds to get a job offer or a callback.
Black men whose job applications stated that they had spent time in prison were only about one-third as likely as white men with similar applications to get a positive response.
For every 10 white men without convictions who got a job offer or callback, more than 7 white men with prison records also did, the study found. But the difference grew far larger for black applicants: For every 10 black men without criminal convictions, only about 3 with records got offers or callbacks.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)If there is even one poor White dude....then White privilege doesn't exist......or something!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You rawk, DanTex
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Last edited Sun May 18, 2014, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)
aggregate. But one aspect of privilege that I haven't seen discussed is physical beauty and health. Maybe this has been covered, but I missed it.
I was born scrawny and homely, with a spine and chest deformity that left me hunched over my entire life. I was teased, bullied and beaten quite regularly as a kid for being small, bent and odd.
I was defecated on by a bunch of kids when I was about 10 years old. Think about that. A bunch of guys held me down while one big old white fat ass took a fucking shit right in my face, and then rubbed it in so that it went into my eyes and mouth.
Just think about that.
Teenage years weren't much better. Girls pitied me, at least those who even noticed me. I couldn't play any sports, even though I tried. I was too slow, weak and small. I was clever, smart and funny, but no one knew or cared.
Dad was a raging alcoholic who hated me for how I looked and compared to other kids. He beat the shit out of me regularly, too.
It wasn't all bad - because I was pretty smart, I was able to get into a top notch engineering school and had an excellent career and made a fuck-ton of money, and no doubt being a white male didn't hurt. But in the workplace, my managers were always 6' tall, handsome white guys, except for one 6' tall handsome black guy. (You can research this yourself - leadership positions almost always go to tall, attractive folk.). I knew I'd never leave the dark cubicle for an office with a window.
So yeah, white/male privilege exists, but you know what? I don't give one single solitary iota of a fuck, because at the end of the day, life really is a beauty contest, no matter what color or gender or orientation you are.
And just like white, male or any other kind of innate privilege, it is absolutely impossible for the beneficiaries to recognize it, because it's all they've known their entire lives.
I'm retired now, disabled because of my spine deformity, and I can barely walk, and finally I've reached equality with my peers. But the first 20 or so years of my life were pure hell.