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Maher, a late-night liberal comedian and political commentator, delivered scathing remarks to easily offended viewers Friday night, dubbing them “political correctness Nazis.”
The host of the HBO show “Real Time with Bill Maher” said liberals are often too easily offended and speculated that an overly politically correct society created more animosity between parties.
He went on to discuss several instances where he felt liberals took political correctness to the extreme.
“When Gwyneth Paltrow said her divorce was a ‘conscious uncoupling,’ even I wanted to jump in the truck, crank up the Lynyrd Skynyrd and shoot up a farmer’s market,” he joked.
Mr. Maher talked about his personal battles with viewers, saying that as a comedian he hates when “political correctness Nazis hound me to censor every joke and apologize for every single slight and when I have to learn how to pronounce words like ‘chai’ and ‘quinoa’ — I just want to shove a head of kale up their (expletive).”
He continued to talk about political correctness issues on social media.
“I also for example think it’s ridiculous that Facebook has now decided that we have to choose, in our profile, from 56 genders, including transgender, cisgender and, of course, brucegender,” Mr. Maher said.
He suggested that too much liberal political correctness is what spurs conservative arguments against big government, but ended the discussion by saying that Republicans need to accept that they can benefit from some government services.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/26/bill-maher-political-correctness-nazis-too-easily-/#ixzz302JWMh00
I totally agree with Maher regarding this! 
Another link, for those who don't want to give the Wash. Times any hits - http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-tackles-pc-nazis-on-the-left-yes-liberals-can-be-obnoxious/
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Makes sense when you think about what political correctness means to comedians.
alp227
(32,036 posts)Some lines you do NOT cross. Period. That's how a thinking person approaches the issue. Remember when Daniel Tosh remarked it'd be funny if a heckler would get raped?
William769
(55,147 posts)Response to William769 (Reply #2)
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)And goodbye. Don't let the door hit your transphobic ass on the way out.
William769
(55,147 posts)
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Oh, I meant the other thing.
William769
(55,147 posts)
Oh the irony here.
William769
(55,147 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)See ya!
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Way too much pantybunching over nothing.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Give me a fucking break.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)to complain about 'political correctness'.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)
onecaliberal
(32,865 posts)Why does he think he's the ultimate judge of what is deemed politically correct.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)That's about the long and short of it.
rumdude
(448 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)But also a germ theory-denying, false equivalence-pushing, Islamophobic self-entitled shit.
rumdude
(448 posts)I think he earned everything he's got. I like how you tossed out the Islamophobe thing at him, too.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Because if you think he's not, then you're lying to yourself.
rumdude
(448 posts)more than Islam. But hey, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)alp227
(32,036 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)perpetrated in the name of religion while consistently demonizing Palestinians or other Muslims.
About five or ten minutes of Religulous addresses Judaism at all, and none of it includes Israel.
alp227
(32,036 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)And the heinous acts committed in its name.
I know what you're trying to do, though. This has fuck all with him being Jewish and everything to do with him being one of the stereotypical Islamophobic atheists who's decided Israel is an ally because they kill Muslims.
rumdude
(448 posts)He self identifies as Irish. He has some Jewish in him but he was brought up in the Catholic Church.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)You really shouldn't refer to yourself in third person.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)When is the last time you saw a large precentage of xtians leave church and go out and smite anyone who is doing yard work on Sunday?
Fundies are fundies, luckily our fundies in the states are forced to live in the 21st century...Now, we can go back 300 years but that is another conversation
MADem
(135,425 posts)His father was Irish, his mother was an Hungarian Jew, something he didn't know until he was a teenager. His father disagreed with the RC policy on birth control so he stopped taking the children to church. He is critical of Islam.
Not that any of this matters much as he is an agnostic, as he describes himself. He's not an atheist, though they like to claim him.
Religion[edit]
See also: Religulous
Maher is highly critical of religion and views it as highly destructive. He is described as an agnostic, and refers to himself as one in his feature film Religulous.[63] As for labels, he has denied being an atheist, saying, "I'm not an atheist. There's a really big difference between an atheist and someone who just doesn't believe in religion. Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no."[64] Maher has also occasionally referred to himself as an "apatheist", saying "I don't know what happens when you die, and I don't care", adding, "there's atheist and there's agnostic, and I'm okay with us not splitting the difference on those; if you are just not a super-religious person, you are on my team".[64][65] He has reiterated his stance in subsequent interviews, rejecting both the certitude of the existence, as well as the certitude of nonexistence of deities, concluding, "I'm saying that doubt is the only appropriate response for human beings."[66] He is an advisory board member of author Sam Harris's Project Reason, a foundation that promotes scientific knowledge and secular values within society.
Maher and director Larry Charles teamed up to make the movie Religulous, described by trade publication Variety as a documentary "that spoofs religious extremism across the world." It was released on October 3, 2008.[67][68]
Maher is critical towards organized religion as a whole, but believes that "all religions are not alike." Maher says there is something different about Islam, in that "there is no other religion that is asking for the death" of people who dare to criticize it.[69][70] On October 29, 2010, during a Real Time segment, Maher commented on a news story that reported that the name Mohammed had become the most popular baby name in the United Kingdom. He asked, "Am I a racist to feel alarmed by that? Because I am. And it's not because of the race, it's because of the religion. I don’t have to apologize, do I, for not wanting the Western world to be taken over by Islam in 300 years? Sharia law is being institutionalized in England? Well, then I am right, I should be alarmed."[71] He later defended his comments on CNN, saying, "And when I say Westerner, I mean someone who believes in the values that Western people believe in that a lot of the Muslim world does not. Like separation of church and state. Like equality of the sexes. Like respect for minorities, free elections, free speech, freedom to gather. These things are not just different from cultures that don’t have them...It’s better...I would like to keep those values here."[72]
On Fox News in a televised debate with Bill O'Reilly, Maher said that "if Jesus was in charge of the country we’d probably have health care for everybody."[73]
Maher received the 2009 Richard Dawkins Award from Atheist Alliance International.[74]
Maher was ranked first by MormonVoices, a group associated with Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research, on its Top Ten Anti-Mormon Statements of 2011 list for saying "By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion".[75]
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)In fact, they don't even cover the same idea.
Theism/atheism is a statement of belief. Unless one's response to the claim of a god is "I accept this claim", that is atheism. Any measure of rejection of such a claim is atheism.
Gnosticism/agnosticism deals in knowledge, a far higher level of certainty than belief. Gnostic/agnostic and theist/atheist actually complement each other. One can be a gnostic theist, gnostic atheist, agnostic theist, or agnostic atheist.
I'm an agnostic atheist, and from what I can tell, Maher would fall under that category as well.
This article explains the topic really well.
http://www.atheistrev.com/2011/09/atheist-or-agnostic-i-both.html?m=1
MADem
(135,425 posts)He does not know, and he does not care--not even enough to claim to know/not know.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)Here in US Christianity is in your face way more than any other religion.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The two aren't mutually exclusive.
George Carlin was a great comedian... but I'd have killed myself if I ever had to spend a day with the nihilistic cynical old bastard.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)a very generous human being.
elias7
(4,011 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Always has been.
rumdude
(448 posts)Maybe one of the greatest to have ever lived.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)His last good work was in 'Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death'. His career as a tv 'comedy host' or whatever he self-describes as is pretty lame. He's sort of like a lefty mix of limbaugh and stern.
Mildly amusing at times, generally on the right side of a number of arguments, but totally narcissistic.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
Igel
(35,320 posts)Because, of course, it makes his point perfectly.
There is no ultimate judge in what is "deemed" or judged to be "politically correct."
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Who is "the ultimate judge of what is deemed politically correct"? Whom do we trust to be so enlightened?
alp227
(32,036 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you would think that would be the first clue in a dawning realization of their privilege. and yet.... totally over their head, in their praise about being able to throw a jab at a group for a laugh, or to feel superior or to insult with a chuckle.
bad pc, bad.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Talk about feeling superior!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)blacks and gay to not be offended by the offensive and to shut up.
why, me pointing out, that white hetero men are the ones cheering about being insulting to women, blacks and gays is condescending and superior?
do you not see the ridiculous, that all the posters cheering maher in this thread are white men, and maher is a white man, telling women and blacks to not be offended?
as a woman, i do.
AnalystInParadise
(1,832 posts)proves Maher's entire argument. PC Warrior is PC.............hahaha
Not a white man, so go peddle that crap somewhere else.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
Cha
(297,327 posts)
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)about a recent Supreme Court decision, or even the very public battle between Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Sotomayor. I'm not a Bill Maher fan; used to watch him. I see outtakes of his routine(s) on various sites, DU included.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,057 posts)If you're talking about the Michigan affirmative action decision that topic was brought up.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)People don't have the right to not be offended. For those who don't like it, those televisions come with remote controls that change channels and turn the power on and off.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)it is like oil and water.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)He doesn't seem to mind whining about that, though. Kind of hypocritical.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)He also has the right to call them out as he sees fit.
Don't get me wrong; I'm really not a big Bill Maher fan, but I agree with him about the word police.
alp227
(32,036 posts)If Bill Maher can be edgy because "he calls 'em like he sees it" so can his critics. When Maher is influencing people's worldviews, it's important to keep the man with the megaphone in check.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)Just sayin'. 
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)He's not a whacko Rand Paul supporter, but he's like a moderate Republican that likes sex and drugs and doesn't impinge his beliefs on others. He's only really moderately progressive.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)pro socialized medicine, civil rights, in favor of gun control, etc.
he hasn't sounded libertarian since before he kneeled down before Nader begging him not to run in 2004.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I lost count of how many times I watched people get browbeat because they refused to be dictated which words were "acceptable" by some purist of a particular POV on a mission. Happens almost constantly on the forum.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)order not to offend anyone, it shows a major "Big Brother" problem and mind set.
It's Orwellian as hell.
William769
(55,147 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Which makes it all the more relevant.
I'm a WASPM, see it wasn't hard.
Lasher
(27,602 posts)But his religion remains shrouded in mystery.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)directed at them>
irrelevant?
kinda like a rich man telling a poor man to pull himself up by his bootstraps. we should not mention easy for a rich man to say. right? irrelevant.
alp227
(32,036 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,057 posts)Some very good posts have been hidden because the writer made one comment or word that a slight majority of selected jurors didn't like.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)I remember the argument here over the word gal, very petty.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)You have been warned.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4676059
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... that the Outrage Junkies think that what they do is actually effective.
Talk about cognitive dissonance. Oh my.
rumdude
(448 posts)what the F?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Sexuality and identity are extremely complex.
Lancero
(3,004 posts)
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Nature has two versions of standard equipment.
I could care less how a person users it, what they identify with, or any aspect of their lifestyle. It's their life to lead as they wish.
But the hardware is obviously binary barring a hermaphrodite.
Or did fukashima have an effect I have not heard about?
Kilgore
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Or sexuality.
alp227
(32,036 posts)Unless you have Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS). Or an XO karyotype. Or XXY. Or XYY. Or 5-alpha-reductase deficiency. Or Swyer syndrome. Or genetic mosaicism. Or 17-?-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase III deficiency. Or Progestin-induced virilisation... etc...
You know, lots of community colleges these days have good intro to biology courses available.
Read more: 10 Things Transphobes Say That Make Me *Facepalm*
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Although related, they are not the same. Even in the age of political correctness, it's narrow-minded to assume that the way you look at things is the way all cultures do or should look at things. They don't, by the way: many other cultures have genders beyond the male/female duality that most of us were raised with.
For the record, my gender is whatever the technical term for "normal guy" is, but if other people want to be more specific in describing themselves, I lose nothing.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)In a variety of forms.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)
surrealAmerican
(11,362 posts)... and decided they're all the same. Euphemisms like ‘conscious uncoupling,’ not being able to throw around terms like 'Nazi' without offending people, and having a wide array of gender options on Facebook, are not all the same issue, and only one of them would be considered 'political correctness'.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's a rummage bin term that means different things to every cretin who whines about it - essentially making it a meaningless term (especially as it only exists for people who decide they need to complain about it, whatever they think it is)
Jasana
(490 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Why people so want to plant their flag on being able to use words that minority communities have judged to be offensive to them is beyond me.
Well, maybe not necessarily. It's just more comfortable to think people aren't actually such self-entitled shits they not only can't be bothered to remove a few offensive words from their vocabulary because they hurt people, but that they would actually turn around and make the people experiencing the misogyny, racism, homophobia, ageism, transphobia, et al the bad guys for daring to make the cis white man upset.
Also comforting to clearly know alleged liberals wouldn't actually defend such behavior just because the guy doing it makes good points from time to time. That would be especially shitty.
rumdude
(448 posts)You really really love that phrase.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)What about writing, painting, typing, thinking, etc.?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)telling people what they should write, type and think, ect????
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)but as Maher demonstrated, you can be called out for it. It goes both ways, like it or not.
Good to see you Seabeyond.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)hey to you, too
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Gee...maybe I really do need that PC training.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)are cheering for the ability to use it or others use it without censor.
but you know that. right? you cannot argue the actual point and this is really your only come back.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)If so, you are absolutely correct. I'm not in favor of censorship of any kind. Many of your opinions are absolutely abhorrent to me, but I believe absolutely in your right to express them.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)quinnox starts a thread to let all of du know, that he agrees. that people should be able to say offensive shit without people being offended. people said no. they would be offended by shit meant to offend and would speak out.
i see no problem her.
abhorrent? k. so?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)been that pc nazi and shut the fuck up.
right?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bad PC nazi's calling him out on his racism.
your post... saying people interpret differently.
ya. so? we still called his racist ass out
but, that was good pc nazi. maher, or those on du applauding him are calling out the "bad" pc nazi. how about some are consistent. some are hypocrites.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)if you can find any post of me defending Bundy in any way, please post it. I'll save you the trouble - you can't because I haven't, and for you to imply that I might support him in any way is dishonest.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ass out.
that is my point.
you said,
bundy does not think he is racist. of course people do not think they are being racist, sexist, homophobic, hence women gays and blacks continually telling people who are not women, gays and blacks, why what they said is offensive.
for a white man to tell women and blacks not to be too sensitive, not to be offensive to the offensive, is offensive.
ALL on du that i saw called out bundy.
yet, here we have a white hetero man, maher, telling non whites, women and gays not to be offended. that makes us pc nazi.
pc nazi was good calling out bundy. as you post right now... you were there calling him out. that would make you the very pcnazi maher is talking about.
or is it just some people, some parties, that we are allowed to call out, and not others?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I've been insulted by you and your friends before. Nothing new beneath the sun.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you have been the one to insult me in this little sub thread. not the other way around. i clarified for you, making clear that i did not say you defended bundy, the opposite. yet your ignore it. totally.
i really do not get that. so... bye.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)It seemed to me that the implication was clear. If I am mistaken, then I apologize.
AnalystInParadise
(1,832 posts)A PC warrior being dishonest? That's unpossible.............
Frankly, I like threads like this, it helps me sort out who likes free speech and is willing to let people be free and those who want to shut up anyone who says something they don't like. The PC crowd is always good for a laugh as they use bullying tactics to prove the point they are "progressive"......... In other words, Irony is someone who claims to be progressive using regressive tactics to shut down opposing opinions. Call it whatever you want, rational, reality based people see through the bullshit.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)offended by sexist and racist slurs. so meh.... how about if i do not put a whole hell of a lot of stock in what you think is .... dumb
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Different people who have had to put up with different forms of bigotry throughout their lives have stated that certain words are used in a hateful way against them, and have tried to educate the broader public as to why they're offensive. Some understand why, and don't tolerate the use of them.
When some people continue to use them in spite of how the people affected by them are hurt, they can expect a little fucking anger. The whining is just pathetic, tone deaf, and an attempt to further beat down and vilify those groups.
Given everything these groups have done to show how they hurt, do you think it's still just over sensitive PC to want to see words like (TRIGGER WARNING) r****d, b***h, h**o, t****y, or f****t completely erased from the discourse?
Igel
(35,320 posts)"Politically correct" is a very nice USSR-expression. Politicheski pravil'no, as a ComParty politruk would have said.
To combine that with the word "Nazi" is priceless.
For some reason, though, Putin comes to mind. Might I add that I find that even odd.
Obnoxious_One
(97 posts)He may be anti-republican. But he's certainly not liberal. He was threatening to leave California a while back. Complaining about have to pay too much tax on the millions of dollars he makes.
It was a sad tragic story, I wish I could have sympathized with him....
JI7
(89,252 posts)same with how to pronounce certain words. these things are not the same as issues like gender identity .
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Oh no! Facebook's gender options are too inclusive! 
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)What a load of horse shit
Lancero
(3,004 posts)Is to select custom gender.
M/F is still the only one listed on the registration page.
But still, a lot of these are redundant. Female to Male/FTM, Male to Female/MTF, A whole list of Cis and Cisgender, a list of Trans/Transgender/Trans*... The vast majority are completely redundant, and in the case of Trans* completely wrong. (Trans* is meant as a encompassing term. Tacking on male/female at the end in unnecessary, and against it's meaning.)
Edit - I'll admit, I haven't looked to deeply into issues like this, so my knowledge is a bit limited.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)offensive comments to other groups that have for ever dealt with insulting garbage, so the white man can have his chuckle at others expense.
i am so sure you agree. got that.
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(19,768 posts)So I join you in applauding him for speaking the truth.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to not assume that the only ones applauding this, on this thread, are white, hetero, male.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to know the answer to this.
Was it my accent? Maybe my naturally curly hair? Did you make an assumption from those things? Oh wait, you don't know those things...
Must have been something else that tipped you off.
Please, tell us all how you "KNEW" I, and everyone else who disagreed with you in this thread, is a "White hetro male."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the only question is hetero. but then, from previous posts i have seen you in threads that would lead me to believe you are hetero. but being white and man, pretty much puts you along with the other white men that dont want to be called out on using offensive language to other groups. hence cheering maher.
i have been on here forever too. people pretty much know i am a white woman. married. so, hetero. not a tough one. posting on public boards.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)You evidently did that based on my race and gender, since I don't believe I've ever expressed a preference here. Now, you may be able to go back and find something that might hint at it, but it wouldn't have been something you were aware of.
You malign my race and gender, regardless of sexual orientation, and make broad assumptions, for the simple fact that I, and some who supported Mahr's statements, are White and male, as if there is something wrong with being White and male. And hetro, should that be the case.
Do you not see the hypocrisy?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)man telling the rest of us not to be offended by purposeful offensive slurs and language?
do you not see the hypocrisy?
why would it be maligning you gender and race, by pointing out your gender and race. that is ALL i did. it is your gender and race that is stating, that those of us offended by the offensive, should shut the fuck up.
yet YOU feel maligned?
no. i do not get that.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)What you did is assume that anyone who agreed with Mahr and disagreed with you must be a "White hetro male."
StraightStory pretty much said it all in his post.
You still haven't told me how you know I'm not gay, or bi, or other than hetro.
It wasn't an assumption based on things I've said. I've rarely said anything of a sexual nature here, rarely, if ever, indicated a preference. Possibly once or twice, but I'm almost positive I've never posted defining my sexual preference(s). So you couldn't have known. You assumed. Even though you say you "KNEW it" up thread when the characteristically hit-and-run-and-hide Cali_Democrat made one of his characteristically bs assertions.
You're making assumptions based on assumed race, gender, and sexual preference, and that does not equal anything other than hypocrisy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And several men who disagree with Maher.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)all but ONE of those agreeing with maher are white men. better? wow.
ah. you are going with the tired ole, cause i said men, that is ALL men. even though i did not say ALL men. it has gotta mean ALL men. even though clearly it is not all men. men = ALL men. so another post i say there are men on this thread calling maher out, i MUST have meant ALL men are calling maher out. oooops. doesnt work that way, does it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Any chance you're being a little overreactive here? Perhaps people with an assortment of genders/sexual preferences/races agree and disagree with Maher?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)He said that *some* people need to shut the hell up.
Discussions might be more fruitful if you accurately characterized what people write.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)again. your point?
isnt that being a hypocrite. maher gets to say whatever. you disagree, shut the hell up. sounds like being a hypocrite to me.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)He might well have meant that people who go ballistic when they hear something that might conceivably be interpreted as racist, sexist etc., but could be interpreted in other ways, too, should shut the hell up.
Perhaps we should ask him what he meant. You think?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Are you keeping some sort of list of my transgressions? Or a list of people not in your good graces?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I dislike both of you for very similar reasons.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts) 
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Another thing which makes DU suck at times - people who clamor against X and then do X and wonder why people call them out on it.
if I were to say "I bet you are a gay black woman" to someone on a thread based on what they said how fast would that be alerted on and hidden and off to mirt?
The people who seem to most decry certain tactics are usually the ones who are out there doing them day after day.
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(19,768 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in calling others out? and now that we choose to call out the white man, that is calling us out.... we are the ones being unfair, making du suck?
bah hahahah
who started this thread? who was it that called anyone bothered by slurs PC nazi's? now we are the bad guys.
lm FUGGIN' ao
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)It is racist and sexist when other people say things like that. But not when you do?
You say 'we' are the bad guys. Who is this we you are referring to?
If all you want to bring to the discussing is 'white hetero males are bad' than I don't know what to tell you. That seems far more racists and sexist than anything anyone else is saying.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)defends being racist and sexist
and you do not think that point should be clarified? and that if the point is made that it is a man wanting to be able to be sexist, the women should not point out that it is a man that is insisting women not be offended?
this is the "intellectual" position you are coming from?
anyway
i know better. so i am gonna guess this is all about wasting time and i have too many other interesting things to spend my time on, than this.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I believe a person can hold an ideal/opinion and not have their race/sex be the determining factor in their ideals/opinion.
Why are the race/sex/orientation of people so important to you - unless you believe that they are somehow different because of their race/sex/orientation?
Isn't believing that the very definition of racist/sexist/etc ??
So when you apply that stream of thought to someone it is valid and ok, but when someone else does it is suddenly, magically, bad?
And what would you say to someone who was of a different race/sex who agreed with some 'white/male/hetero' person? That they are brainwashed, can't think for themselves, a victim, etc?
But yeah - from your posts over time it does seem to me you actually believe people are not the same. That people are different based on their race/sex/etc and that, just like those on the right, you judge people based on that over what they say.
Which is odd because you say you are always fighting for equality and seeing people from a different perspective and not to treat women/minorities/etc based on who they are but on what they say. Yet you suspend that train of thought when it comes to others and call out their race and such.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is significant. i have to wonder why you do not get that at all.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)What is significant is the core ideals and arguments. And how some apply the race/etc to a person to the validity of what they say over the words they speak.
What you are implying is that whites, men, and heterosexuals are only capable of replying a certain way and that others are superior in their responses. Which to me is just plain wrong - and I would think most liberals wouldn't use such labels and attach such meanings.
I am the evil white straight guy. I was molested when I was a kid, have been on the receiving end of domestic violence both physical and verbal and yet I can't relate to things because...well I am a straight white man.
I would never post in hof even though I can relate to some issues there and have my own insight to add - because here on DU I am pretty sure being a white male anything I said will be filtered through that lens by people in the group. I would be banned the second my opinion didn't agree with someone else's - even if someone else who was female stated the exact same thing.
You want people to be inclusive, not feel judged for who they are - and yet here you are basing everything you say on race/gender/orientation.
Something you would decry if anyone else was doing it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that simple.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)You are the one making race and such a part of this whole discussion and judging others based on race/sex/orientation - you are the one who is making that matter more than the topic and the replies.
Why not simply address the topic at hand and it's implications? The guy says things which offend some people - and those people might be of any race/religion/orientation/etc. There are people of all types who are not offended by it all and take it with a grain of salt - for you to imply that only one race/gender/orientation is capable of doing so is racist/sexist/etc all by itself.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Your arguments are one in the same with theirs.
I find it interesting. And no, I'm not calling you a right winger. I'm just stating that you sound just like one in this subthread.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)The kinds of groups that don't have to deal with the kind of speech that PC addresses.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It would still remain that most of this anti-PC nonsense comes from people who have never had to deal with it themselves.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Was your comment not doing that?
(And you've been plenty insulting in this thread)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)reading each others posts. we have been provided the info. people pretty much know i am a white woman. so? not a big deal. and if that is patting myself on the back, then, whatever.... i see it more as simple observation.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)From what I have seen we are not all equal and your gender and race play a big part in who you are and what you say.
Maybe people like bundy see it as a 'simple observation' when they mention race as well.
For a person who is really entrenched in feminism and having everyone treat people as equals based on the content of their characters/actions/words you seem to have no problem using race/gender in a way that defines others and fill it with all sorts of connotations that you decry on one hand and champion on the other.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what i was referring to about "so" had nothing to do with what you discussed.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You also said down thread that you yearn for women who are less revealing.
I apologize if I was wrong.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Post-diving to get something out of context to try to fit me into your definition of my sexuality?
Were I gay, could I not favor certain styles? Were I bi, could I not find a particular woman sexy?
You should apologize, and for a lot more than this.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Sounds like it was a hoot. I wish it would come back.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)It was full of self-proclaimed DU speech police (witch-hunters) urging others to go after this poster or that poster, assaulting people's characters, etc. It was a good idea, and it was hard to look away from, but posters (like the one I was replying to above) turned it into a cesspool of hate and intolerance against other DUers. It was pretty ugly.
You still get whiffs of it here in GD.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I wasn't a very prolific poster in Meta. I posted there on occasion, but not very often.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)The admin were right to pull the plug on it.
I have to admit that it was intriguing, though, like a Jerry Springer show, lol.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)One doesn't have to read Latest Threads page for long to stumble across that bullshit. 
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I usually consider that to be a good indication they are hetero.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Way to be inclusive and non-discriminatory, Cali_Democrat!
Tell me, have you put much thought into my sexual preference (hoping it would satisfy your prejudice against heterosexuals, evidently), or did you just ponder my sexual preference, and the broad assumptions you could make about me based on it, while you were post-diving into years-old posts of mine to find something, anything, that might justify your bigotry?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I know you're male and you said previously that you yearn for women. The fact remains that most people are heterosexual and if they yearn for the opposite sex, I would consider that to be a good indication of heterosexuality.
But of course there is the possibility of bisexuality and that's why I said that I apologize if I was mistaken.
If you're bisexual.....that's absolutely fine!
Be true to yourself!
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You asked me why I thought you were heterosexual and it was because you previously said you yearn for women.
Like I said, there are bisexual people in this world and that is absolutely fine!!
I don't think there's anything wrong with being bisexual. I am not prejudiced against LGBT people and I'm of the firm belief that people should be proud of their orientation.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)That's still there.
And you posted that to support another DUer's assumptions based on my (assumed) race, gender and sexual orientation.
You think that little smiley hides your hypocritical bigotry?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)That's not prejudgment. It's based on information PREVIOUSLY provided by YOU.
Like I said, I have no problem you're bisexual. I am not bigoted against bisexuals.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)that your prejudiced assumptions, and those of others, would have some illusory foundation, as if you could prove me hetro, then it is ok to make broad assumptions against me (since I'm also male and White).
And you come up with something I posted from three years ago, where I compliment the fashion sense of a bygone era? Does appreciating the style of Joan Crawford scream hetro to you? And so what if it does? Why assume my sexual identity based on some offhand remark? Why so concerned with my sexual preference(s)? Why do you need to know? Well, it is obvious, you need to know so you can make assumptions about me if I happen to be hetro.
Do you think no one else can see though, this, and your bs backpedaling now?
You're kinda exposed, Cali_Democrat, yet again.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You could be a black homosexual female instead of a white heterosexual male. How the hell would I actually know? This is an anonymous message board and we don't have the privilege of knowing who is actually on the other end. What we have is previous information and you previously said you yearn for women.
If a male yearns for women they are either heterosexual or bisexual. Because the majority of people in this world are heterosexual, I assumed you were heterosexual.
Apparently I was wrong. You're not heterosexual.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)That's the trouble with bullshit, it falls apart under even moderate examination.
No, you don't know. But you stated, unequivocally, that you did know.
You stated that to confirm what another poster assumed based on gender, race, and sexual orientation. It's still there. You, stating something about me that you now say you can't possibly know.
It isn't about me, though. My sexual preference(s) is my business, not yours. The only reason we're talking about it is because you tried to justify broad generalizations about me (and others) based on sexual orientation.
But you're not prejudiced...
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)...my bad.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Get to self-deletin' Cali_Democrat.
We both know that's next.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I will freely admit that I was wrong about you being heterosexual when you said you yearn for women.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Sunlight has an awesome effect on hypocrisy and prejudice.
Well, I'm done here, so you might want to find another DUer to judge based on your assumptions about him/her and his/her race, gender and/or sexual orientation.
In your non-prejudiced, non-bigoted, way, of course.
(wow)
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You're not heterosexual and that's just fine with me.
I have no problem with people who are bisexual.
I am of the firm belief that people should be true to themselves. Love knows no race, color, creed or sexual orientation.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Can you expound on why someone's race/etc are relevant here?
Maybe you don't think they are relevant (in which case, cool and thanks).
That you went back to an old thread to bring up a person's sexual orientation, as though it is relevant to who they are and their opinion matter, is interesting.
If we are to judge people based on their race, their gender, and their sexual orientation why would we call ourselves liberals and spout off that we are somehow better than those on the right?
If my race and such is all that people pay attention to when discussing something what does that say about DU?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)why I thought they were heterosexual.
That you went back to an old thread to bring up a person's sexual orientation, as though it is relevant to who they are and their opinion matter, is interesting.
Damn this thread is a hoot!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Why did you bother to reply at all about the sexual orientation of someone? Maybe it is important/relevant to what they say or something - like it either makes it more worthy or less worthy of consideration. Maybe some feel that people aren't the same as others so such information is important and will make what they say not true/invalid.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)...and it was because of what he previously posted. You're really not getting it, are you?
Another DUer asked a question and I posted what I knew based on previous posts. Skip then questioned my assumption that he was heterosexual and essentially asked me why I thought he was heterosexual....so then I provided an older post.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)You chose to reply to someone when you weren't even part of the conversation between them and bring up something that is not relevant to the whole conversation.
I really am getting it
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)offended. and i would suggest that it would be a white hetero man that would not see the relevance of his race, gender or sexual orientation being relevant to sexist, racist and homophobic slurs. but....
women, blacks and gays i assure you, see it as relevant.
do you see how that works.
a rich man does not see it as relevant that he is rich, when he tells a poor man to pull himself up by his bootstap. every poor man i know would see it relevant that a rich man is giving him that lecture.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Are they allowed to tell women, blacks and gays to not be offended?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
Uh oh...I said "his"
You are male, right? I mean...based on previous posts, I assumed you to be male.
Of course according to Skip, that makes me prejudiced....
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)"women, blacks and gays i assure you, see it as relevant. "
So, suddenly, people in those groups have you as their spokesperson? You know what everyone in those groups is thinking or should think about an issue? Really?
And I don't care what a rich 'man' says (note you used gender here as well - you didn't say rich person...why?) either what they said is wrong or right, it has nothing to do with their wealth. Can their experience color their views and cause them to see things in a distorted way? Yes - but that does not mean what they are saying is wrong just because they are rich. That would be class-ism and I don't like it when any class does that (and I am just as guilty at times of that).
You're biggest defense in any argument is race, gender, etc- which never addresses the issue at hand. And it doesn't take into consideration of those who belong to a group that may not see the same situation in a different way.
You don't seem to honestly believe that people are anything more than the sum of their gender/orientation/race/etc. Yet you expound often on how bad it is we treat people based on those things.
Either you take what people say on it's face an evaluate/judge it on that or you honestly believe that we are all different and can't related to each other.
In which case I ask - how can you judge white/males/straights on the one hand and condemn those who judge others based on their color/sex/orientation.?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)again. that is not an intellectually honest conversation.
i wasted more time with you, than i generally would allow myself. night.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)That life experience does mean a lot.
When you label someone based on they are a man, they are a race, they are an orientation, you are not looking at their life experience at all.
You are looking at what you think their life experience should be based on factors they cannot control.
When you treat anything I say from a gender/race/etc view you are dehumanizing me and others. You don't want a conversation on ideas, you only see certain things and then dismiss them.
Me? I am just a straight, white, male, who couldn't possibly understand or have an opinion worth discussing. So just dismiss me and move on.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)"What? I'm not allowed to go to the bank?"
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Dayum!!!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)As though race/gender/orientation of a poster was somehow relevant to the discussion.
Ok. Maybe you just did so because you think such things are relevant and you do so often. In which case, my bad.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)To pretend it never is supposes that these things never affect our viewpoint, which would be staggeringly naive.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)that might help.
oh, also ask about the "race card".
oh and ask whether or not Ron Paul is racist.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)wow
welcome to a progressive board.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)And I don't apologize for being any of those. Not one damn bit. And, I agree with quinnox and Maher, too.
When white heterosexual men criticize women, not just on this board, some of you go up in a mushroom cloud. We're constantly told we men don't have the right to criticize women. But then you have the absolute hypocrisy to lecture us men all day long about our manners, behavior and sensitivity, as if you were the arbiters of all that is correct and proper in our society. That is where the politically correct crap starts at. You have made one set of rules for yourself, and another set of rules for us. And we men are most assuredly going to push back at that every chance we get.
You want to criticize men, be prepared to get criticized in return.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what you did in this post was criticize.
i argued the point.
that is not exploding in a mushroom cloud. again, more of your criticism. please do not try and give me something, that is not mine. (that would be me arguing your point)
see how that works?
ya
i disagree with your assessment.
but
that really did not address the actual issue of a white hetero male telling women and blacks and gays to not be offended when the white hetero male throws out a bigoted slur for his own amusement.
it did not address the vast majority of people agreeing with maher are white hetero males. and how it should be an obvious clue in for you
it did not address the demand that when you all throw out the bigoted remark, YOU are demanding that blacks, gays and women not be offended or at the least, say nothing. which would be tromping on our freedom of speech position.
now... if this to you is doing something i am not allowed, cause you are man, and i am woman. then meh... move along. that is all.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 27, 2014, 06:06 AM - Edit history (1)
You choose what you want to say. Whether of not people like it is entirely up to them. And whether you care about those feelings in entirely up to you.
I guess what I'm saying is..if you're going to be an ass, own it. Don't blame others.
I find him funny. And a bit of a jackass.
alp227
(32,036 posts)THANK YOU for articulating that! I've thought this a hell of a lotta times. Funny how those right wingers preach "personal responsibility"...but as long as it doesn't inconvenience advancing their agenda via politically incorrect humor and all that BS. Look at the right wing online media (I say online media because Fox News & talk radio have scattered like rats) damage control for Cliven Bundy going on at Free Republic, The Blaze, Newsbusters, etc.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)remarks about African Americans? They are just a bunch of stupid, oversensitive Liberal PC nazis who don't understand that the natural order of human relationships is dictated by color, gender, and gender orientation/sexual orientation, and that's why straight white males are always at the top of the heap! If it weren't for liberal PC Nazis, we could still call blacks, latinos, Native Americans, women, and lgbt people, etc. all those old slurs we use to call 'em, and nobody would say nothin' about it! It's just the liberal PC nazis that have a problem with it, and they're messin' up our fun, and right to free speech!.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Is diversity of identity an attack on anyone? Is it simply a response to offense? Of course not. So it's not a matter of political correctness.
Bill Maher is, on this subject, a fucking clown.
alp227
(32,036 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I knew this thread would be interesting.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)oneofthe99
(712 posts)
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:28 AM - Edit history (1)
The shit-stirring continues in the familiar passive-aggressive style.
or whatever.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Only I can complain, dammit! So funny.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)race. it is such a fuggin hoot in hypocrisy. lol
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)You can still go too far in humor. Calling a major Democratic presidential candidate a "cunt" is probably a little bit over the top even for humor. Calling her a "bitch" would be ok in humor, but calling her a "bitch" on a political talk show or in a political forum populated by Democrats would be considered impolite. At least, I would consider it impolite and sexist. I am sure that some consider it appropriate.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The first choice on the list, and then have to slog through the other 86 choices, for no reason whatsoever.
gort
(687 posts)Bigots use political correctness as a way to strike back when their bigotry is exposed. Whenever a bigot is called out on their behavior they will always sneer back that they are a victim of the "P.C. police." Limbaugh attacks women by calling them femi-nazis. Nugent calls the president a mongrel. Maher is a misanthrope. An entertaining one, but sometimes I get tired of his rudeness and disdain he has for his audience when sometimes the meanness of his humor gets a shocked reaction or groan. He strikes me as a self-loathing narcissist if there could be such a thing.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Some people just need to shut the hell up. People on both sides of the political spectrum can be so goddamn annoying.
And before people cast stones and clutch their pearls at my post, I'm a half-white/half-black bisexual male.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts) The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Cause based on my race and gender mine apparently does not.
On DU.
*smh*
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Right over the internet.
It's amazing!
The logic here is that we must know the race and gender and bla bla bla of a person offering an opinion before we can know whether to consider or even allow that opinion. Wrong race, wrong gender? STFU.
Anyway, those in your race and gender group should probably just hush until those in different groups have finished their list of what will be allowed to be thought and said.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Yearn much?
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)That people wanted them to 'shut up' and keep their opinions to themselves based on gender and such.
Here, on a liberal board, I am defined by my race/gender/orientation - which seems rather odd.
I guess I am simply defined by that and my words mean nothing. Who I am, my life, experiences, are all basically nothing because of my skin color and such.
One cannot possibly understand/relate to others because I am 'not like them'. I am different.
I am *bad*. And if I complain about it I shouldn't because I am nothing more than my race/gender/orientation.
Wanna call me a 'cracker'? Sure - cause I am a white person and I am stronger than others and can't be offended (which means....you think others are weaker/etc). Tell me I can't get a concept or understand something because I am man? That's ok too - cause when you judge based on gender it is ok. Except when it is not.
I keep finding that those who cry sexism the most are the ones out there being the most sexist. They demean people and think that they only have an idea/view because they were born a certain way.
And I am, or I guess was, an advocate for the rights of women as much as I was for every other human out there. But here on DU I have learned that I hate women, I just want to play with myself while looking at pics of them, etc. Because. I am. a. Man. I am not a liberal looking for, and voting for, equality. I am defined by how I was born as a privileged male who hates everyone not like me and so any argument I use means nothing. Because. I am a. Male....
A nothing. Too dumb to see beyond my gender. Too stuck in my race to understand. I am just a 'thing'.
You want to know how some will reply to my comments I just made? "Oh, you poor privileged straight white male". And here on a liberal message board it will stand as 'good'. Because at the core some people are just plain racist and sexist but they puff up and think it is justified when applied to some.
And I will just smile cause in the end, I know I am right and called it out.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Killer post. I might reply again tomorrow, but its so late, and I"m done for the night.
I gotta say, though, that you are frequently a much needed breath of fresh air here. You tell it like it is without giving a damn what labels will be placed upon you for it. Truth over bullshit, reality over spin. I'm with you on that.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)what does that tell you?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)and tell you to go to the MRA forum. That's the usual tactic when someone doesn't want to actually address a post like yours.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)until someone pulls that card. Or they pull out some sort of 'bingo' card.
Here on DU some people are pigeonholed based on their race/gender. You have a view someone doesn't like? Out comes the label. You are a misogynist (ie, you hate women), mra, nra, racist, homophobe, etc.
You 'cannot understand' because you were born how you were born. And if you don't agree with the assessment someone has and they are of a different group than you are? You are a hater and just don't get it.
IE - some people use orientation/race/gender as a shield.
Heck - you can say anything you want, and I mean anything, about straight white males, and it is seen as not only ok but accepted...but if you were to replace those same things with any other race/gender/orientation it would be hidden with the quickness.
Because it all really comes down to what people here actually believe - racism and sexism/etc are just fine and dandy ideals so long as the folks here define it.
It all boils down to simply this: We expect straight, white, males to have no feelings, emotions, problems, etc and they cannot be offended because...well...they are somehow superior. Or something. They can't possibly have any issues because they are white guys. They are not like 'us'. They are different. We need to treat them different and talk about them in a different way. They have it made. And if they complain let's make fun of them for doing so (and yeah, that is not only accepted here but pretty well the norm).
I have never, ever, anywhere in my life felt so little and worthless as I have here. And all because of my race/gender/sexual orientation. I hate that others have been made to feel that way and were/are screwed over by assholes who use those things to judge them. That is why I am dem, why I speak out on such tactics.
You wanna know why this world is a mess? It is because the very people decrying hate and such are the ones most promoting it - they just feel all warm and fuzzy doing so. Hey, let's color all gun owners based on less than one percent of them. Let's make sure on DU we tell people that your race and gender define you and who you are --- but hey, don't you dare tell me I am defined by the same things or you are just plain sexist.
I get it. I am a bad man. Because I was born white. Born male. And straight. We are bad people you should not trust. We are haters. We will screw you over and won't care about you. Go ahead and judge me based on those things.
But if you do judge me based on those things - don't complain when someone else does exactly the same thing. Don't call it sexism or racism. Call it liberalism and feminism and applaud it. Because the tactics and methods don't look any different to me. But hey, I am nothing more than my race and gender and anything I say or do should only be seen in that light. So do what the right does and just chalk it up to how me and others I share a race and gender with act.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's just that women and people of color have different issues you are ignorant of. We're not allowing you- a self interested outsider- define (and negate) our issues the same fucking way outsiders have for the last century. Believe it or not, we have heard this crap for fifty years. It's regressive bullshit.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Too bad you'll get an ad hominem instead.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)You love to make excuses. You're so persecuted and "defined by your race and gender." Probably half of the members of this board are white males, and a good 90 percent white, yet very few of them claim they are persecuted for being in that majority.
You aren't defined by your race. You are defined by your arguments, which include hostility to many progressive issues
raised by feminists and people of color and your repeated insistance on making yourself the center of discussion. The fact is very few progressive white men whine about how oppressed they are. Very few mock feminists at every turn (like your constant doors meme) and then whine when people have the audacity to form opinions a result.
Your response here and in several others threads highlights perfectly what is at the root of Bill Maher's statement. He exemplifies those who think the only rights that matter are his. He should have an unrestricted right to speech, while no one should be allowed to criticize him. HIs assumption is clearly bound in his subject position because what he objects is the kind of speech that expresses concerns for anyone but white men. He is angry that Facebook accommodates something other than his mid-20th century view of sexual identity or that many people don't think racism is funny. Yet those same people who think Maher is so great on the issue of PC are the first to whine endlessly when they feel anyone has said anything against them. A joke about them as "malcontents" spawns an epic wtichunt in GD, but they feel those who are the butts of their so-called humor have no right to speak out. And here you are, supporting an argument against political correctness while exemplifying perfectly what the entire thing is all about.
You of course won't pay attention to any of this and will continue to whine about how persecuted you are for being white and male, despite the fact the majority of DU's white men disagree with you on this issue. You rely on cheap and lazy excuses because you are unwilling to acknowledge that people object to something far more fundamental, the values conveyed in the arguments you yourself make.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the hell up?
only some people get to speak. and others must shut the hell up. and that works for you? consistent much?
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Deal with it.
I noticed you have an opinion on everyone's post in this thread.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)In a thread you didn't start.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Perhaps he needs to shut up too.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Krugman mentioned in his most recent article how David Brooks' views wealth disparity seemed to be wholly confined to his tiny class; that Brooks sees it as soon-to-be-wealthy 1% teenagers being jealous of their already-wealthy parents.
I don't know who Maher is always complaining about on the left. They're no one I know. I mean really, Gwyneth Paltrow is only symptomatic of your tiny, tiny, pampered little circle, Bill.
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Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)The Most Annoying Gweneth Quotes
http://www.ibtimes.com/gwyneth-paltrow-annoying-quotes-conscious-uncoupling-9-5-parenting-1564142
"I am who I am. I can't pretend to be somebody who makes $25,000 a year." – Elle UK, March 2009
"I love the English way, which is not as capitalistic as it is in America. People don't talk about work and money; they talk about interesting things at dinner parties." – The Guardian, January 2006
"I'd rather smoke crack than eat cheese from a tin." – iTunes Festival, July 2011
"I would rather die than let my kid eat Cup-a-Soup." – New York Daily News, August 2005
"Apple says 'Mummy' instead of 'Mommy' -- I don't mind that. I will if she starts saying 'basil' and 'pasta' the English way, as that really drives me nuts." – Daily Star, February 2006
"Every woman can make time [to work out] -- every woman -- and you can do it with your baby in the room. There have been countless times where I've worked out with my kids crawling around all over the place. You just make it work." – Press Association, July 2010
"Taking care of yourself is being there for your kids, like how on a plane, they tell you to put on your oxygen mask first." – Self, May 2011
"When you go to Paris and your concierge sends you to some restaurant because they get a kickback, it's like, 'No. Where should I really be? Where is the great bar with organic wine? Where do I get a bikini wax in Paris?'" – Elle, September 20
"Even actresses that you really admire, like Reese Witherspoon, you think, 'Another romantic comedy?' You see her in something like ‘Walk the Line’ and think, 'God, you're so great!' And then you think, 'Why is she doing these stupid romantic comedies?' But of course, it's for money and status." – The Guardian, January 2006
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opiate69
(10,129 posts)
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)"Taking care of yourself is being there for your kids, like how on a plane, they tell you to put on your oxygen mask first." – Self, May 2011
I have often told numerous women that, especially women of my mother's age (including my mother), because they have been socialized to put everyone else ahead of themselves, that if they want to help others, the most important thing they do is make sure they take care of themselves first. Their needs and wants are at least as important as others' needs and wants, but when you use the oxygen mask analogy, they really get it.
In other words, I don't think that quote fits with the rest of your collection.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts) Jasana
(490 posts)Who says he's liberal? I thought he was a libertarian.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Neither is knowing how to pronounce quinoa.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)It's mostly just straight white men complaining that being bigoted has consequences. Meh.
And the things he cited don't even have anything to do with PC.
Maher's schtick doesn't encompass much more than "You're different! hahaha!" ... Even when dealing with Repubs, of which he practically is one, anyway, as most libertarians feel more at home on the right than on the left.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)which held the masses in awe. Since this descriptor seems to be a fool-proof means of labeling counter opinions as evil and worthless, without suffering rebuke or stigmata by DU in-charge types, I propose it be given a worthy acronym; challenging, I realize, given the consonates, but it would speed up the process of demonization. EXPs: NRA talking points™, MRA talking points™, Libertarian (still in development), Etc.™
As it is, I can only get "LESWORM." Surely, there's better.
rumdude
(448 posts)Love it!
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)
treestar
(82,383 posts)by "conscious uncoupling."
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I normally like to participate more than this in threads I post, but anyway, after I got home I read all the replies and am very impressed by some of the posts that I thought made really good points.
Specifically, duers NaturalHigh, HERVEPA, and The Straight Story. I applaud you all!
And I can't neglect to mention my thread was honored by the appearance of the very popular, "celebrity" duer, Manny Goldstein! Yep, I'm a fanboy.
Anyway, it made for good reading, thanks.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)I take it as being a good sign that said person is a bigot who's upset that they can't talk about minorities as though they were abstractions instead of actual people.
One of the examples he mentions in your link? "We don't want politicians telling is what we can name our football team"; I'm sorry, white man, but if a Native American tells you "Redskins" is offensive, it's offensive. That it's not offensive to you is not the point. (I wonder if he'd be defending a team called the Pickaninnies?)
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)rarely fail to be incensed when THEY and those like them are attacked. Complaining about political correctness is something a privileged few do out of resentment that can't express their disrespect for people of color, women, and LGBT Americans without the target of their contempt responding. Yet anyone makes a joke or comment about them, and they are up in arms. Mention the word white, or even post about white privilege or gender discrimination, and they pitch a fit. Make a joke about any them, and all hell breaks lose. We see it all the time. Witness the storm of poutrage about the joke that some DUers are malcontents. Suddenly folks who thinks it's hysterical to make racist, homophobic, and misogynistic jokes found saw nothing humorous in their being signaled out for ridicule. So let's just be honest about what this is: A few feel they should be able to make offensive "jokes" and have no one speak out in response. They insist their rights to speech trump those of the majority of the population, so much so that we are not allowed to voice any criticism whatsoever.
American enjoy freedom of speech. One can joke about gang rape of children and hate crimes against African Americans all he likes. But freedom of speech is not limited to them. The rest of us are also free to say what we think about it. There is no requirement that anyone be sensitive, compassionate, or politically aware. One is entitled to be every bit as self-absorbed and cruelly bigoted as he choses. The rest of us, however, are within our rights to call it out such bigotry. Railing about "political correctness" is an effort to silence the speech of those who see nothing funny in bigotry.
As for professional comedians, my fundamental requirement is that they be funny. The fact is, however, most are not. They rely on cheap bigotry as a substitute for thoughtful humor. On the internet, people who claim to be joking in making offensive comments rarely are even a little bit funny. When a joke falls flat, one gets no leeway for comedic license. In fact, in most cases they use the excuse of "just joking" to express contempt for the subaltern groups that make up the majority of the nation and the world.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Rat fuckers use when they've shown themselves to be the thoughtless entitled asses they truly are.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Who has a problem with people who don't look like him. He is an astute political commentator, but an angry white guy too. So many seem to long for the ability to be an asshole with impunity...must be a privilege thing If you cannot accept criticism, perhaps you should STFU.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)
thucythucy
(8,074 posts)calling the president a "mongrel" and Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a "slut" should just shut the fuck up and get on with their lives!
There are times when I find Maher funny, but there are other times he sounds like any Teabagger I know.
This is one of the latter.
Then too, there is the spectacle of someone offended by the word "de-coupling" defending HIS right to use whatever the fuck word he wants, without anyone else becoming offended.
Must have been an off week for his writers.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)His other complaint about atheists wanting crosses removed from buildings is ,I assume,about crosses on government buildings? What's wrong with atheists demanding seperation of church and state?? Everything else he denounces as PC is the typical straight white male lamenting for the good old days when he could throw his weight around without getting any grief for it. Maher is not a liberal,he's a libertarian with liberal tendencies.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Interesting to watch them gather round to cheer this on.....
Yet, totally unsurprising.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Did you have a point, or are we playing some kind of bizarre random thoughts game here?
How bout we just declare you the winner, and move along here. I have to go do my nails or something....
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the offended group to shut the fuck up so as not to hurt their feelers as they express their slurs. i mean. how obtuse does one have to be. even with all of it point by point having the dots connected.
this thread has taken me to flabbergasted, lol.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Is an effective defense mechanism.
The OP translates to....see, we're really right, Bill Maher says so!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)for speaking out against the minority and oppressed groups.
bobbie.... i am outta here. you have a good day.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts) 
rrneck
(17,671 posts)a historian will describe the decline and fall of the United States, a once proud beacon of hope for humanity, in terms of pity and sadness. That historian will describe how this country survived calamities and upheavals of nature and conflict only to succumb to its own petty affectations.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I'm certainly guilty of political correctness from time to time, but here, I think, is why:
Political correctness spawns from a person's ability to take a statement and guess what others might think about it. Come on, man! We've all done that shit! What that guy said does not offend me personally, but what about the &*%nikists that the statement singles out?
That is because liberals are capable of thinking outside of themselves and for other people whom they may not know or even fully understand. Because we care about all people, and our collective fate, while the cavemen among us care only for themselves and their own "kind," whatever the hell that is.
It's empathy (edit: maybe I should call it unconditional empathy), the thing we've got and they don't. So while Bill Maher can make fun of it all he wants, it's never going to go away, because it is a fundamental part of what we are!
quinnox
(20,600 posts)While I agree that liberals are more empathetic, I don't think liberals believe in limiting freedom of thought or ideas or speech. In fact, I would argue the core of liberalism is standing behind these freedoms.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Nobody is suggesting that the government force Bill Maher or anyone else to be politically correct.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)
bvar22
(39,909 posts)For economy, we gave up HBO and the premium Channels.
The only thing I really miss is Bill Maher on Friday night.
I count on DU to provide me with summaries,
and a link to the "New Rules" every week.
Thanks for this post.
lately on DU, i feel a bit like George Carlin felt when he ranted on the 7 words:
"Sometimes it is better to put on slippers
than to try to carpet The World."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and of course another white man on du applauding the two white men telling all us not to be so sensitive to the slurs and shut the fuck up.
no.
and i love carlin. does not mean he is right on, with all things.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)My wife has a TeeShirt.
Written on the front:
[font size=3]What is it about the word "BITCH"
that you fail to understand?"[/font]
Maybe you should move toward the Middle.
The Buddha says that that is where you find "Peace",
.
.
OR
you can keep doing what you are doing.
I don't care.
BTW: Can you update my list of forbidden words?
I have so much trouble keeping up.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I have a very good sense of humor, appreciate certain comedians style, and some of these guys are truly hilarious!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Ya. I get it. Your right to offend and the offended? Shut the fuck up
Is that really what you applaud quinnox? Is that really who you are. You can say whatever offensive you want and you demand the people that you intend to offend not call you on it?
Is that really how you see fairness?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Carlin ranted against obscenity laws and euphemisms because they detract. See his rant on PTSD and shell shock, or calling rape victims "unwilling sperm recipients."
Carlin had a point. Maher just wants to be able to say whatever he wants without consequences.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I don't buy it.
Do people take offense too easily? Sometimes, I guess that's true. But others go out of their way to use terms that they KNOW are capable of causing offense. They do it deliberately, just to cause a stir (see Jeremy Clarkson for a prime example, especially in regards to the most recent episode of Top Gear, in which the term "slope" was used.)
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Here's a little Wiki for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
Historically, the term was a colloquialism used in the early-to-mid 20th century by Communists and Socialists in political debates, referring pejoratively to the Communist "party line", which provided for "correct" positions on many matters of politics. The term was adopted in the later 20th century by the New Left, applied with a certain humour to condemn sexist or racist conduct as "not politically correct". By the early 1990s, the term was adopted by US conservatives as a pejorative term for all manner of attempts to promote multiculturalism and identity politics, particularly, attempts to introduce new terms that sought to leave behind discriminatory baggage attached to older ones, and conversely, to try to make older ones taboo. This phenomenon was driven by a combination of the linguistic turn in academia and the rise of identity politics both inside and outside it. These led to attempts to change social reality by changing language, with attempts at making language more culturally inclusive and gender-neutral. These attempts (associated with the political left) led to a backlash from the right, partly against the attempts to change language, and partly against the underlying identity politics itself.
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It went from the doctrinaire seriousness of communist ideologues to the semi-tongue-in-cheek usage of Vietnam-era American leftists, and was then picked up and turned against the left by the right.
That said, I don't think every protest against "PC" is a rightist thing. There is a dogmatic, doctrinaire element on the left, especially when it comes to identity politics. You see it here just about every day.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)communism and its authoritarianism.
Thanks for the history lesson!
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)how must it be perceived to those outside?
I agree with him.
it's the one thing I can't stand about 'liberalism'. buncha fuckin' whiny fucks.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)If you want to use the N word, fucking do it. If you want to call me a redskin, fucking do it. If you want to use the f word to refer to gay people, fucking do it. If you want to use racial, sexual, or gender based slurs: FUCK. ING. DO. IT. He should stop being such a goddamned coward and whining about how mean people are policing what he says.
People that snivel about how the PC Police keep them down are basically whining about how people are allowed to disagree with them and call them out for being entitled assholes. Entitled assholes that are too chickenshit to say what they want to say because the lesser races/genders/orientations get uppity if they do.
Shorter Bill Maher: Anything that doesn't directly benefit straight white guys is a distraction to be ignored.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)That is exactly what his "rant" was about. That he gets all these letters from the easily offended, and he completely disregards them. As he should. His comedy would be ruined if he had to tiptoe around these kinds of people.
He also is a very funny comedian, and has been a great asset to the progressive community in his slamming of the GOP and the republicans time and time again, but that is my opinion.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Any woman on the internet with a blog gets rape threats. If she objects she's just being PC? People in the public eye get letters about everything. If he if for free speech, why is he so determined to silence others' speech? No one forces him to read the letters. He can say what he wants, but the free speech of others means that they have a right to criticize him. Or is your point that only white men should be protected by the First Amendment? He has more freedom of speech than most because he has a national TV show. If he can't handle the criticism, he should find a lower key occupation.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)What demanding the "PC Nazis" leave him alone means is "I get to use whatever slur I want whenever I feel like it, and no one gets to call me a racist, sexist, or homophobe.". It's a wimpier, whinier version of the right-winger's "Free speech means I can say whatever I want and you can't criticize me!".
Your point fails in that he's not just defending the use of edgy comedy. He's defending things like the use of racial slurs for team names and whining about letting transgender people choose their own name for themselves because being a dick to people with less power than you is apparently hilarious. I see y'all keep citing Carlin, who was never 1/100th the asshole Maher is. Carlin understood that comedy isn't about punching down.
The "Redskins" thing:
Who's making the argument can usually give you a good idea about the purpose of the argument. If vegetarians are constantly making an argument, there's a good chance it's because the argument benefits vegetarians in some way. If people that eat crayons are the main ones seen constantly making an argument, there's a good chance it benefits people that eat crayons.
When you do a DuckDuckGo (Because fuck Google) search for PC left -behind -dead (To weed out all the left behind and left 4 dead results), the media sources left on the first page are Mediatite, The Blaze (Glenn Beck), Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Townhall (Teabaggers). All but one are right wingers, and that one is full of right wingers. So Bill Maher is in good company. With lots of other hateful asshats that are pissed off they can't use racial, misogynistic, or homophobic slurs without horrible people pointing out they're scumfucking racists, misogynists, or homophobes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)he does not get to decide that.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)i'll say this about it:
Bill Maher, usually, but not always is funny. And usually he is liberal, anti discrimination, against forms of white, straight, male privilege.
Many people here claiming to support him are neither funny, nor the other things.
And even though I think a lot of Maher's more offensive things are mostly said as a form of irony, I get that people are offended and I don't question that.
On balance I agree with seabeyond in that all the folks coming to Maher's defense actually don't have much time for his liberal politics and are just using Maher's non-pc statements to justify their own, which unlike Maher's, have few progressive, redeeming qualities.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)republican.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We certainly do find creative ways to rationalize our vulgarity and our enshrined, basic human right to be ugly to one another.
One may wish the corollary were also true...
Upton
(9,709 posts)the PC police are nothing but a pain. I wonder if they realize much of the rest of the country is laughing at them?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)They think that everyone is in awe of their enlightenment.
Paladin
(28,266 posts)Those evil "Political correctness Nazis" or the vast, continuous and escalating outrages of the radicalized right wing? Yeah, that's what I thought.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm sure he learned how to spin it that way over dinner with Coulter. It is exactly how the right wing spin machine works.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)is the trivialization of the word 'Nazi'. 'Nazi' doesn't just mean someone who annoys you or too bossy; it means someone prepared to support genocide, or at the very least deportation, of political opponents and those of the 'wrong' races.
There, that's MY bit of PC humourlessness. But with yesterday being Holocaust remembrance day, and there being every chance of the far right making gains in the forthcoming Euro-elections, my tolerance for the trivialization of 'Nazi' is pretty low at the moment.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)being overly sensitive
like wtf does bill maher care how many gender options there are on FB? why is he so sensitive about this? will a toke calm him the fuck down?
maher is funny but a real fucking douche.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)Tend the be those who get the most offended when others make fun of their particular group.
IMHO, political Correctness is simply about being courteous and not being an asshole to people. Obviously, many comedians are going to offend people so I usually give them a break if I see it as not being mean-spirited but done in the spirit of humor.
Beyond that, free speech does not mean you can say whatever you want with impunity. Free speech has consequences and if you say something offensive I am going to call you out on it.
Disagree with Maher on this.
