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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:18 PM

Snowden Defends Questioning Putin: I Want To Hold Him Accountable, Too

Snowden Defends Questioning Putin: I Want To Hold Him Accountable, Too

Edward Snowden says his host Vladimir Putin should also be held accountable on matters of domestic surveillance, and calling in to Russian television to question the president on Thursday was his way of doing so.

"I was surprised that people who witnessed me risk my life to expose the surveillance practices of my own country could not believe that I might also criticise the surveillance policies of Russia, a country to which I have sworn no allegiance, without ulterior motive," the former NSA contractor turned leaker wrote in an op-ed published by the Guardian on Friday. "I regret that my question could be misinterpreted, and that it enabled many to ignore the substance of the question – and Putin's evasive response – in order to speculate, wildly and incorrectly, about my motives for asking it."

Snowden said he intended to mirror a notable exchange with Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, in which the latter gave an "erroneous" statement about the degree to which the United States collects and stores domestic phone data...Snowden said Putin's answer was "remarkably similar" to that of President Barack Obama.

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"I understand the concerns of critics," he continued, "but there is a more obvious explanation for my question than a secret desire to defend the kind of policies I sacrificed a comfortable life to challenge: if we are to test the truth of officials' claims, we must first give them an opportunity to make those claims."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/edward-snowden-putin-question

So after all the excuses, including the claim that he can't speak freely, his own excuse is that he really is trying to hold Putin accountable by asking a lame-ass question, a "test"? He envisioned himself as "Wyden" and Putin as "Clapper" in framing the question? That's beyond bizarre.

Snowden had a choice: play Putin's fool or not. If he did it volutarily he's a fool for taking the opportunity to ask a lame-ass question that everyone knows the answer to. If he participated in a staged event, he's a tool.

Putin's answer was "remarkably similar" to President Obama's? WTF?

Equivalent would be Obama announcing a press conference, and you calling in (voluntarily or involuntarily, meaning the WH stage this) and asking if the NSA exists. Obama responds, no.

Snowden made a friggin fool of himself, and the lame attempts to spin it any other way are telling. Greenwald's, though, is classic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024833461#post29

I mean, clearly that has been the goal all along. Initially praising Russia was just part of the plan?

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

http://wikileaks.org/Statement-by-Edward-Snowden-to.html

I think it was clear to many people that, despite that nonsense, Snowden wasn't going to enjoy life in Russia.

Tool.

Putin Tells NSA Leaker Snowden There’s No Mass Surveillance In Russia (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024833461

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Reply Snowden Defends Questioning Putin: I Want To Hold Him Accountable, Too (Original post)
ProSense Apr 2014 OP
Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #1
Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #4
grasswire Apr 2014 #2
hack89 Apr 2014 #3
ProSense Apr 2014 #5
ucrdem Apr 2014 #7
Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #13
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #30
Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #63
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #64
Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #65
Cha Apr 2014 #47
BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #26
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #52
totodeinhere Apr 2014 #6
ProSense Apr 2014 #9
totodeinhere Apr 2014 #10
ProSense Apr 2014 #12
arely staircase Apr 2014 #42
karynnj Apr 2014 #8
ProSense Apr 2014 #15
Spazito Apr 2014 #11
ProSense Apr 2014 #27
Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #14
Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #16
kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #17
Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #18
ProSense Apr 2014 #19
Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #22
ProSense Apr 2014 #23
BenzoDia Apr 2014 #20
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #32
BenzoDia Apr 2014 #44
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #48
BenzoDia Apr 2014 #50
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #51
BenzoDia Apr 2014 #58
treestar Apr 2014 #54
mylye2222 Apr 2014 #21
UTUSN Apr 2014 #24
daligirl519 Apr 2014 #25
arely staircase Apr 2014 #28
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #31
arely staircase Apr 2014 #33
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #34
arely staircase Apr 2014 #35
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #36
arely staircase Apr 2014 #37
Number23 Apr 2014 #38
arely staircase Apr 2014 #39
Hissyspit Apr 2014 #40
arely staircase Apr 2014 #43
Cha Apr 2014 #49
Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #29
Number23 Apr 2014 #41
Cha Apr 2014 #46
Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #62
cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #66
Cha Apr 2014 #45
ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #53
treestar Apr 2014 #55
Marr Apr 2014 #56
Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #57
ProSense Apr 2014 #59
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ProSense Apr 2014 #61

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:29 PM

1. No better way to hold him accountable than by participating in his yearly PR circus!

Imagine the reaction if Snowden would have called in to Obama's SOTU address and Obama would have given the same answer...

Ah, Snowden, way to go to give credence to the worst shit people have been saying about you.

Is he really stupid enough to fall for this false binary shit? I didn't think that way before, but I'm starting to. He really isn't helping.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:38 PM

4. How is that quote again

'If You've Dug Yourself Into A Hole, You Should Stop Digging' ?

Might be good advice for Snowden.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:34 PM

2. Gutsy.

He got Putin on record, just as he got Clapper on record.

The enemy of the people is surveillance, no matter the political affiliations of the overseers.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:36 PM

3. And I am sure the Russian parliament will start investigations immediately.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:39 PM

5. Silly

"He got Putin on record, just as he got Clapper on record. "

Beyond silly. Putin is already on record denying every human rights abuse in Russia. I mean, he's on record denying Russian troops are in Ukraine.

This was a dumb-ass question that produced a non-surprising response in a Putin propaganda venue.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:40 PM

7. Right.

Did you watch the video? A more carefully orchestrated performance would be hard to imagine.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:06 PM

13. hahahahaha. nt

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:18 PM

30. Ha, ha, ha.

NSA stuff is out and you can't put it back.

Ha.

And if Snowden hadn't done it, somebody else probably would have. And you'd be figuring out tactics to shit on them, too.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #30)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 04:19 PM

63. Didn't you essentially accuse me of wasting your time and attention?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4525956

Yet you always seem to be the one that replies to me first when we have an exchange.

Out of the five replies to grasswire, why did you seek mine out when I was just laughing?

Please leave me alone.

Thanks.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #63)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 04:53 PM

64. Then quit posting bad arguments and illogic.

It's a discussion board.

Your arguments are just the most egregiously bad arguments (or lack of arguments) and deserving of being countered.

If you have any counter arguments, feel free to make them, isn't of making a lazy accusations of "stalking." You post all the time and are often the first to post in a thread. You are going to get responded to... I reply to ucrdem's dishonest arguments and lack of arguments all the time, time. I've called out ProSense on many an occasion, too.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #64)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 04:59 PM

65. Writing "hahahaha" is a bad argument that needs to be countered?

Again...you decided to seek my post out when there were 5 replies to grasswire. All I did was laugh and you felt the need to reply.

Anytime we have an exchange, it's you who makes the initial reply to me, yet you essentially accused me of wasting your time in the past.

A simple laugh of mine can apparently set you off.

I'm actually quite flattered.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:47 AM

47. But this is Series!!111!!! eddie "risked his life"!!11

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:42 PM

26. Next stop, North Korea no doubt

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:25 PM

52. Why not?

Dennis Rodman says Kim Jog Un is a good guy.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:39 PM

6. His enjoyment of life in Russia is relative.

I think it was clear to many people that, despite that nonsense, Snowden wasn't going to enjoy life in Russia.

I doubt if he ever expected to "enjoy" life in Russia. But he was willing to sacrifice his own personal comfort in order to open a discussion that was sorely needed. And as difficult as his like in Russia may be, it's better than coming back to this country to be tortured as what happened to Chelsea Manning.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:44 PM

9. It also

"I doubt if he ever expected to 'enjoy' lie in Russia. But he was willing to sacrifice his own personal comfort in order to open a discussion that was sorely needed."

...opened the door to his being used as Putin's tool.

"And as difficult as his like in Russia may be, it's better than coming back to this country to be tortured as what happened to Chelsea Manning. "

OK, he's better off. He can avoid being held accountable, and enjoy life as best he can in Russia. He's happy, and Putin has a tool for life.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:47 PM

10. I hope you're not suggesting that torture is a legitimate form of being held accountable.

And as far as being a tool goes, I suspect that he realized from day one that he would be accused of that. But the issues that he brought forward were important enough that he was willing to take that risk.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:00 PM

12. I said no such thing.

"I hope you're not suggesting that torture is a legitimate form of being held accountable."

The implication that Snowden would be subject to "torture" is silly.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:57 PM

42. he is making fascist propaganda for freedom! nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:42 PM

8. The Wyden/Clapper analogy is beyond silly

Wyden, as a Senator on an oversight committee can ask questions - as well as followup questions. He also has access to significant information that he can use to make the case if Clapper lied -- which Clapper did -- and Wyden then called him on it.

A better analogy would be a Democratic activist, a some stature, calling into Rush Limbaugh and asking a soft ball question. The "microphone" is controlled by Limbaugh, who can offer any lie or half truth he wants without allowing the activist to respond. This was the situation with Putin. (That Snowden then can speak to the media is no different than the case of the activist having the ability to speak in the left blogosphere.) However, Putin had far more people listening in.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:50 PM

15. More absurd is

"A better analogy would be a Democratic activist, a some stature, calling into Rush Limbaugh and asking a soft ball question. The "microphone" is controlled by Limbaugh, who can offer any lie or half truth he wants without allowing the activist to respond. This was the situation with Putin. (That Snowden then can speak to the media is no different than the case of the activist having the ability to speak in the left blogosphere.) However, Putin had far more people listening in. "

...that this was for a Russian audience, which amplifies the propaganda aspect of this scripted event (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024839105). Russia is actively silencing dissent, and Snowden's question was basically an act of complicity.

His allies are attempting to spin his current op-ed as something it's not. It's simply another ass-covering attempt for another humiliating event. Also, if the goal is holding Putin accountable, a lame-ass question at a Putin propaganda show isn't the way to do it. What's preventing Snowden from doing so via any of his media allies or in a statement...you know, like his Christmas message. (LOL!)

Putin's show promoted his propaganda to its intended audience, Russians. Snowden's op-ed attempts to spin it to the rest of the world.

He's a tool.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:50 PM

11. LOL!

He really is a joke, a sad, pathetic joke.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:24 PM

27. It's this

"He really is a joke, a sad, pathetic joke."

..."pathetic": In his op-ed, Snowden tries to hype the importance of his question by linking to a Daily Beast piece that calls him out for being a tool. From his op-ed:

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The investigative journalist Andrei Soldatov, perhaps the single most prominent critic of Russia's surveillance apparatus (and someone who has repeatedly criticised me in the past year), described my question as "extremely important for Russia". It could, he said, "lift a de facto ban on public conversations about state eavesdropping."

From the piece linked to in that paragaph:

“I think it was ridiculous,” says Mark Galeotti, an expert on Russia’s security services who is also a professor at New York University. Andrei Soldatov, a Russian journalist who has broken major stories on the Russian intelligence service, the FSB, and is a Daily Beast contributor, was only slightly more charitable. “Putin never directly lies, he just tells half truths and his answer was a half truth,” he said. “In terms of what is going on inside the country, he was not correct. We have all signs of mass surveillance. My view is Russian surveillance is much more intrusive than what you have in the United States.”

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Galeotti says he found the display of Snowden’s question for Putin on eavesdropping to be depressing. “I believed he was an honest man who made some stupid choices,” says Galeotti. “But in this case he was doing what was in his handler’s interests.”

“We have to think of two Snowdens,” Galeotti tells The Daily Beast. “There was the original whistleblower who thought he was doing something good for the world. Now there is the Snowden—to put it crassly—who is bought and paid for entirely by the Russians. The Russians are not altruistic, if they are protecting him they are doing so because there are things he can do to repay them.”

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Soldatov said Snowden’s question could lift a de facto ban in Russia on public conversations about the state’s eavesdropping. “Before this question both Snowden and Greenwald refused to talk about surveillance in Russia,” he said. “Now we can ask Greenwald about this. Now we can start the debate. This is extremely important for Russia. I suspect Kremlin propaganda wanted to play Snowden, nevertheless this was a positive thing because it helps us to start the debate about the mass surveillance in Russia.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/17/sorry-snowden-putin-lied-to-you-about-his-surveillance-state-and-made-you-a-pawn-of-it.htm

Soldatov was being generous. He basically said, yeah, Snowden was used, but people are talking about what happened.

The fact is that nothing came out of that except a debate about Putin's and Snowden's character.

A more direct question (which likely couldn't happen) mentioning a specific program or incident would have sparked a debate inside Russia. As it stands, even Soldatov admits there is no debate in Russian. I could understand why, as a journalist, he would want to use this as an opportunity to spark a debate, but a staged event and a lame-ass question isn't going to do it.

Neither is Snowden's op-ed which is just another lame attempt to cover his ass after a humiliating event.

In summary: Putin's show promoted his propaganda to its intended audience, Russians. Snowden's op-ed attempts to spin it to the rest of the world.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:49 PM

14. The Guardian is really going down the drain

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it's clear that right or wrong, Snowden is going to be the hill they die on

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/edward-snowden-defends-decision-question-vladimir-putin-on-surveillance


EDIT: Nevermind -- Evidently there is more than one Edward Lucas...And then there's this nugget:

But in his article, which was given to the Guardian via the Freedom of the Press Foundation, on whose board Snowden sits, Snowden says such criticism was a simple misinterpretation of what he had been trying to do. He emphasises that he has sworn no allegiance to Russia and has no ulterior motive.

Are the Guardian just a bunch of stenographers now?

And they STILL haven't run any correction or retraction for this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/obama-cia-senate-intelligence-committee-torture

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4639869



And why didn't Snowden just give his PR statement to Greenwald at the Intercept? Oh, right -- They aren't getting any web traffic because they haven't been producing content...Aside from the shout-out for the Pulitzer, Greenwald has been slowly but steadily putting some distance between himself and Snowden -- I'm curious to know why...

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:00 PM

16. Now Snowden needs to be accountable for his actions. He has lied and deceived.

He can talk about Clapper, he needs to look at himself and say he lied. He acting job with Putin was kindergarten at best, there was only few they convinced and two of them are Putin and Snowden. He has a shallow mind in setting this up. A legend in his own mind.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:05 PM

17. Really, for me, the less we hear from or about Snowden the better. nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:45 PM

18. Update: Greenwald is clearly in on the con

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Glenn GreenwaldVerified account‏@ggreenwald ·
Writing an op-ed criticizing Putin's response while needing asylum is as brave an act as the initial whistleblowing, & shows same integrity

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/457128579076476928

Seriously?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:52 PM

19. He should write for the Onion.

LOL!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:33 PM

22. That's actually related to another trick Greenwald never gets called out on

He doesn't have the stones to publicly commit to a firm opinion or stance on some issue, so he'll frequently tweet the link to some other person's story or column or tweet in a "This person speaks for me" sort of way...

But you see the deft touch with how Greenwald re-directs the issue and subsequent discussion -- The real issue of course isn't about Snowden writing some column criticizing (LOL) Putin's response; it SHOULD be about why Greenwald *isn't* writing any kind of op-ed or story, since he's supposedly the professional with complete autonomy over a $250 million media outlet...Of course that's the kind of question that never gets asked in these threads, and when I ask it, DUers put me on ignore, lolz...

The ultimate truth of it is Greenwald is a decent investigator, but he has always been a shitty writer (and his quality has gotten even worse without the old-school editorial oversight he had at the Guardian and Salon); which is why he's finding it harder and harder to leave the tailor-made comfort zone of twitter...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:01 PM

23. That's

"He doesn't have the stones to publicly commit to a firm opinion or stance on some issue, so he'll frequently tweet the link to some other person's story or column or tweet in a "This person speaks for me" sort of way...

But you see the deft touch with how Greenwald re-directs the issue and subsequent discussion -- The real issue of course isn't about Snowden writing some column criticizing (LOL) Putin's response; it SHOULD be about why Greenwald *isn't* writing any kind of op-ed or story, since he's supposedly the professional with complete autonomy over a $250 million media outlet..."

...related to the point I made here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024839623#post15).

Snowden's allies are attempting to spin his current op-ed as something it's not. It's simply another ass-covering attempt for another humiliating event. Also, if the goal is holding Putin accountable, a lame-ass question at a Putin propaganda show isn't the way to do it. What's preventing Snowden from doing so via any of his media allies or in a statement...you know, like his Christmas message. (LOL!)

Putin's show promoted his propaganda to its intended audience, Russians. Snowden's op-ed attempts to spin it to the rest of the world.

As you implied, what's preventing Greenwald from calling out Putin in a big way?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:15 PM

20. Rubbish. Snowden has the NSA docs detailing what's known about Russian surveillance.

Just release them.

What a silly attempt to appear fair and balanced.

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Response to BenzoDia (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:22 PM

32. Does he?

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:49 PM

44. Absolutely. The NSA would have intel on another country's surveillance programs.

He already knows the answer to the question he asked Putin and didn't take him to task.

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Response to BenzoDia (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:56 AM

48. I know they do. That wasn't the question.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:21 PM

50. Yes, he obviously had access to the intelligence capabilities of other countries.

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Response to BenzoDia (Reply #50)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:23 PM

51. You said he HAS it.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #51)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:34 PM

58. Why wouldn't he? He'd be a complete dope to run around the world without it.

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Response to BenzoDia (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:29 PM

54. True and he is not going to be holding Russia accountable

until he hacks into their system! Which is probably far easier to do.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:21 PM

21. Snowden's first choices for refuge was not RUSSIA

as said on another topic.

He was granted asylum there because, IMHO, Putin wanted to make a provacation to USA by welcoming him. He applied for asylum seeking in many other western countries, and was denied everywhere. He's right to question Putin.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:17 PM

24. R#8 for, bwah-HAH let's see how accountable Pooty will be when SNOWjob is in a dungeon n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:34 PM

25. I guess Snowden is playing

50-dimensional chess now!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:31 PM

28. the greenwald meltdown was priceless. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:20 PM

31. What meltdown?

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:22 PM

33. his teenager like twitter self humiliation nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:24 PM

34. I don't see anything like that.

Seems like he raised several valid points to me. Did I miss something?

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:30 PM

35. apparantly you did nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:33 PM

36. O.k. Enlighten me. Post it.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:49 PM

38. The responses to that Tweet are a must read

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Response to Number23 (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:52 PM

39. i know

Probably not what Glenn and his ego were trolling for.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:53 PM

40. That's a meltdown?

Come on...

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:24 PM

43. juvenile tantrum is probably more accurate nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:56 AM

49. thanks arely.. a few..

Ken Gude ‏@KenGude · Apr 17
No @ggreenwald but maybe its not such a good idea for a civil liberties hero to be a tool of a leader like Putin in a country like Russia

Laurent Ruseckas ‏@LaurentRuseckas · Apr 17
@ggreenwald I don't understand your tweet but he really, really should not have done that.

Pradheep Shanker MD ‏@Neoavatara · Apr 17
@ggreenwald How about simply stop being a shill for Putin?

Patterico ‏@Patterico · Apr 17
.@ggreenwald This argument is a "false choice." http://is.gd/falsechoice




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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:59 PM

29. Update 2: That journalist Snowden cited in the Guardian piece?

He's never even spoken to him! Or any other Russian investigative journalists, for that matter!! How can that be? Unless Snowden was never serious about trying to address the issue...


Andrei Soldatov ‏@AndreiSoldatov · 14h
Great that Snowden and I may comment on each other's comments, hope one day he'll be ready to talk to Rus journalists
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/18/vladimir-putin-surveillance-us-leaders-snowden

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:54 PM

41. Washington Post nails Snowden to the bleeding wall

Edward Snowden’s cowardice on Russian TV
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/17/edward-snowdens-cowardice-on-russian-tv/

The bottom line is that Snowden helped Putin manipulate his Russian audience, most of whom will never see the sort of follow-up accountability journalism on Putin’s answer that one would expect in a liberal democracy. He did not ask Putin a tough question. His explanation — that he first needed to establish Putin’s position before criticizing it — does not make sense, given that there is already plenty of information available on the Russian government’s surveillance capabilities and on the wide-ranging abuse of its people’s various rights. Subsequently calling Russia’s ruler to account in a Western newspaper does not change any of that.


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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:41 AM

46. Eddie's a big fat liar.

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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:48 PM

62. He's more of a Forrest Gump getting his strings pulled by nefarious people...

First by his friends, and now by Putin...All his heavily coached and filtered interviews and public statements have not been able to mask the fact that he is of average intelligence at best...

Years from now the real story will probably come out about how some of Snowden's "friends" approached him and said he'd be a famous hero and manipulated him into lifting the files and going public (because he's tailor-made for the role -- right age, camera-friendly looks, clean background, and smart but not too smart)...So Snowden is the one with his bacon in the fire while his "friends" sit back in the shadows and reap the benefit of the revelations...

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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 05:03 PM

66. And a poopyhead!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:40 AM

45. Sooooo, eddie has no fucking clue he's pimping for putin?!

Shocking!

Snowden celebrates Pulitzer by turning into Putin’s propaganda tool,” former NSA general counsel Stewart Baker said in a comment posted on Twitter, referring to the Pulitzer Prizes awarded to The Post and the Guardian US this week for their Snowden coverage."

thank you, PS

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:29 PM

53. You post a lot about Snowden. It's clear where you stand regarding him and that's fine. But...

Where are your blockquote, blue link posts about the crimes that were committed by the NSA?

Links please. I, for one, appreciate your contribution.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #53)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:39 PM

55. Snowden has made himself the story

He's much more interesting than the alleged "crimes" of the NSA. The NSA had a warrant for what they were doing, and in fact when Bush left office they went back to standards. Now the issued has been addressed. It's Eddie that keeps up the dog and pony show and he is simply getting the attention he wants.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:47 PM

56. "I don't give a shit about Snowden."- Prosense

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4641649

I couldn't be bothered to process the OP, so could you summarize the new talking point in a sentence? I remember it *used* to be 'why doesn't he say anything about Russia's domestic spying'-- but what is it now?

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Response to Marr (Reply #56)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:54 PM

57. he didn't use the right words.

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Response to Marr (Reply #56)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:54 PM

59. "I really don't care what you post about Snowden." - Marr

I really don't care what you post about Snowden.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024640825#post112

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024640825#post109

Aren't you tired of using this tactic because you don't like Snowden being criticized?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:03 PM

60. Hmm... how many Snowden posts do you think you made in between my two posts there?

I'm guessing hundreds.

I really don't care about your criticisms of Snowden, Prosense. They're so constant and up-to-the-minute, talking-point-consistent that they seem like commercial breaks. But I have to be honest-- I haven't actually read them for a long time. It'd be like reading an ad banner.

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Response to Marr (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:12 PM

61. "I really don't care about your criticisms of Snowden, Prosense."

LOL!

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