"Daily Kos will not enable those who enable Third Way" By Markos at DKos. Names names.

[madfloridian]

Daily Kos will not enable those who enable Third Way

With Reps. Allyson Schwarz and Ron Kind speaking out against that nutso Third Way Wall Street Journal op-ed, it's clear that even the organization's "co-chairs" aren't happy with the explicit stating of their agenda. They apparently prefer Third Way keep operating in secret, with their Social Security-cutting agenda off the front pages.

But neither will quit the organization. For Schwartz, running in what will be a crowded Democratic gubernatorial primary in Pennsylvania, that's awesome. It'll make for a fun primary. It's not every day we get to electorally beat up on a Third Way stooge. For Kind, well, he's always been obnoxious, so the fact he said anything at all is surprising. Again, I think they're pissed having to defend being part of a corporatist Wall Street front group determined to destroy Social Security.

So who else is enabling Third Way's destructive agenda? Why, let's name names!
House members
James Clyburn (Southern South Carolina)
John Dingell (Ann Arbor, Detroit's western suburbs, Michigan)
Ron Kind (Southwestern Wisconsin, La Crosse, Eau Claire)
Joseph Crowley (NYC, Bronx, Queens)
Allyson Schwartz (Northeast Philly, eastern Montgomery County, Pennsylvania)
Jared Polis (Boulder, Colorado)

Senators
Thomas Carper (Delaware)
Claire McCaskill (Missouri)
Mark Udall (Colorado)
Jeanne Shaheen (New Hampshire)
Kay Hagan (North Carolina)
Chris Coons (Delaware)

Here is the chart he posts about the Board of Trustees.

[madfloridian]

1. One of my main gripes with DFA...

is that they have often enabled too many of them. Glad to see Markos take a stand.

[Luminous Animal]

2. At last. A Democratic board takes a stand.

[madfloridian]

3. Yes. I have noticed that quite often...

I will post something here that either drops or is filled with rude remarks toward me and others. That same post at DKos has gotten a huge number of recommends and many retweets on Twitter. Go figure.

[jsr]

5. Ironic, ain't it?

It's almost like there is a serious misnomer.

[truebrit71]

26. Right?

It's more than a little

[hootinholler]

25. Hmmmm

maybe I need to start hanging at KOS

[madfloridian]

71. Per Politico Markos is practicing "purity politics".

I guess I am also.

I hate that term.

[sabrina 1]

100. I am a member there, but left about six years ago because Kos had the exact opposite opinion of The

Third Way then, regularly expressed his disdain for 'Liberals', banned thousands of them, called women on his forum who wanted to push for equality, equal pay for equal work eg, 'members of the women's study set' who were interfering with getting 'Dino, I mean Democrats elected' among other things.

This total flip flop on his part is pretty stunning to anyone familiar with him. I'm wondering if he has had an 'awakening' after all these years, or if his funding from whoever was funding him, stopped for some reason.

Whatever the reason is, going by his past behavior, this may not last long. So, like you, I have considered taking advantage of it while it lasts.

It would be nice to be able speak about ISSUES rather than bicker over 'teams' and which one is right, and which 'authority figure' is on 'our side'. But that WAS DK for as long as I remember, liberals always viewed as the 'enemy' to the 'good' and all the other talking points we see here, 'purists' 'concern trolls' not 'members of the reality based community' etc.

I'll have to check the comment sections which is where you see the real DK. Should be interesting.

But if tomorrow, Kos changes his mind and decides that the Third Way are the hope of the Dem Party, no one should be surprised, based on past experience with him.

[BlueStreak]

7. Have to make them face consequences for going that route.

Giving them a free ride just makes the situation worse.

[madfloridian]

10. Yes, it does.

[jsr]

4. The banksters behind the Third Way Trojan

[Luminous Animal]

9. My severely addled alzheimers mom sez what?

[ProSense]

6. That may be true, but he

basically endorsed Hillary

The real primary fight of 2016 (and it's not an alternative to Hillary)

by kos

Some people have to come to terms. And I'm looking at you, people desperate to find an alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2016.

If Hillary runs, she's the nominee. I know it's in vogue to talk about how "inevitable" Hillary was in 2008. But it was a different world. I remember it because I was in the midst of that battle. People wanted an alternative, and alternatives existed. At her best, Hillary's poll numbers were in the 40s with Obama in the strong 20s. Look for yourself. Yes, she was the frontrunner, but there was a strong primary field within striking distance.

There is no alternative to Hillary this cycle. The last time anyone polled the Democratic primary field, Clinton had 73 percent of the vote, Biden 11, and Elizabeth Warren nine. That tells us a couple of things. One, 73 percent is A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. She is the consensus nominee, and if you disagree, you are objectively in the deep minority. Second of all, there is no one to provide even nominal challenge. Clinton (again, assuming she runs) will have some "challengers", but it'll be a bunch of people auditioning for her VP slot.

To reiterate, leads like 45-25 in 2007 didn't make Hillary "inevitable". Numbers like 73-11 in 2014 absolutely do. And you know what? Those are not irrational numbers. Hillary will be a great president.

Elizabeth Warren isn't running. I get why people persist with this fantasy, but it's nothing more than a fantasy. Warren had to be dragged in kicking and screaming into the Massachusetts Senate race, a geographically small state in which she could sleep in her own bed every night. If you barely have the fire to run for Senate, then you absolutely don't have the fire to mount a brutal presidential campaign. And even if she did, all she'd have to do is look at the polling (73-9!) to realize she'd have a million better things to do with her time and her donors' money. SHE. AIN'T. RUNNING.

But hey, we've had plenty of primary pie wars over the years, so who cares if there's another one? I'll tell you why.

It's a distraction. With Clinton's commanding general election trial heats, not to mention demographic shifts shoring up our electoral picture, we'll have the luxury to look beyond the presidential and take a more holistic approach to the cycle. And we've got a lot of work ahead of us:

- more -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/17/1278315/-The-real-primary-fight-of-2016-and-it-s-not-an-alternative-to-Hillary

[madfloridian]

8. Good grief.

Now I call that picking nits.

[ProSense]

12. Huh?

"Now I call that picking nits. "

What are you talking about?

I agree with him on not supporting Third Way Democrats, especially if they can be primaried.

I don't agree with his resignation on Hillary.

Do you agree with his position on Hillary?

[madfloridian]

13. Since the choice was between 2 New Dems (Third way)...it doesn't seem relevant.

[ProSense]

14. In 2016?

What?

[madfloridian]

21. "There is no alternative to Hillary this cycle"

Isn't that what you want someone to do? Vote for the inevitable Democrat? I will most likely though I disapprove of her 3rd way tendencies. Aren't you glad he is approving?

[ProSense]

31. No,

"Isn't that what you want someone to do? Vote for the inevitable Democrat?"

...I didn't in 2008, and I'm unlikely to do so in 2016. I see others expressing an interest in running. I'll wait to see the field.

[Luminous Animal]

11. Submit citizen.

[madfloridian]

68. ......

Not feeling very submissive lately.

[JDPriestly]

19. If only Hillary runs, the message is that only the DLC crowd have ideas, offer solutions to our

country's problems.

If for no other reasons, we need to have candidates who present ideas other than the dull, old Clinton ideas.

Clinton polls so high because people remember with nostalgia the Bill Clinton era. As we now know, the seeds for our economic disaster were laid during Clinton's presidency.

We need to at least hear about alternatives to the status quo. And that is all that Hillary Clinton represents.


If she runs and is elected, she will be a one term president. That is not good for the Democratic Party.

Why do I predict that if she runs and is elected, she will win only one term? Because she relies on the same old corporate funders, the same DLC ideas as Bill Clinton, and those ideas are from the past. They will not solve today's problems. They will not appeal to today's citizens --not for the long term, not for a second term.

I certainly hope that we can do better than Hillary Clinton. Really sad when a political party has so little creativity, so few innovative ideas that it has to rely on candidates from the past to bear its banner in elections. We can do better than Hillary Clinton.

[dreamnightwind]

20. Good point

That is the elephant in the room. Not surprising to me, disappointing though.

[quaker bill]

22. his read is correct.

It does not matter whether I agree with this outcome. The job is hers if she wants it, and there is nothing the other dems or the repugs can do about it. It will not be close.

She could very well have lost 2008 simply because she would not have mobilized the voters that put BHO in the Whitehouse. This time they are registered, the dems know where to find them, and they have come out for two cycles. Hillary will have no problem getting them out again. She will do a little better than BHO with the split Caucasian demo. Further the repugs will Benghazi and Obamacare themselves into oblivion. Hillary is an easy 7 to 10 point favorite all the way to the WH.

The question lies in how to best take advantage of the big margin she will have as you go down ticket. Done right, she has the House and Senate for at least two years, maybe all 4. If you can put real progressive legislation on her desk, she is unlikely to veto it just to burnish third way credentials that she no longer needs.

[Iggo]

28. That's endorsing?

Yeesh!

[ProSense]

32. Yes. n/t

[Iggo]

33. Except, No.

[ProSense]

34. Your opinion. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

37. Change the subject much?

nt

[ProSense]

39. How does pointing to support for a "Third Way" enabler "change the subject"? n/t

[AgingAmerican]

40. Is Barack Obama a 'Third Way' enabler?

nt

[ProSense]

44. Here's a clear and recent example of the difference

26 Senators Defy Obama, Back Iran Sanctions Bill
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/26-senators-defy-obama-back-iran-sanctions-bill-21279008

Hillary Clinton says she's "skeptical" of Iran nuclear deal
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-says-shes-skeptical-of-iran-nuclear-deal/

...a familiar issue from 2008.

[AgingAmerican]

93. Is that a yes

...or a no?

[PoliticAverse]

76. "There is no alternative to Hillary this cycle.". Gee I guess if she doesn't run the Democrats won't

even field a presidential candidate...

[madfloridian]

15. Markos post from the 18th of March. Another wow.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/18/1285726/-10-years-of-political-progress-And-yes-we-ve-made-progress

We still have to contend with that GOP gerrymander in the House and at the state level (2010 was a huge step backward), with a conservative Supreme Court, and a media and political establishment that still overly defers to increasingly fringe Republicans. And of course, our party can be infuriatingly slow to change. But political change happens gradually, over time. And we've dramatically improved the quality and ideological cohesiveness of our Congress and are the beneficiaries of demographic trends that will only accelerate those changes.

Ten years ago, Howard Dean was branded "unelectable" because he supported civil unions. We've evolved dramatically as a society. We're nowhere close to where we want to be. But every once in a while, it's worth taking a deep breath and appreciating just how far we've come. We really are making genuine progress.

And then the Third Way attacked him on Politico. Here's WillyT's post about that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024699039

[Maedhros]

16. Our elected officials don't like it when we tell them what to do. [n/t]

[truebluegreen]

17. So "pleased"--but not surprised--to see

both my Congresscritter and one of my Senators on that list. A little surprised not to see the other.

Colorado needs to do better! Especially the People's Republic of Boulder!

[Catherina]

18. What great news tht KOS is taking a stand against them. Rec n/t

[truebrit71]

29. +1

[madfloridian]

47. Agreed.

[idendoit]

23. Kudos to Moulitsas and the folks at Daily Kos.

Continue to wave that freak flag high, higher.

[Oilwellian]

24. Care for a Pretzel?

Exactly what "freak flag" are you referring to? Does it have rainbow colors?

[AgingAmerican]

36. Sorta like the one at FDL?

nt

[madfloridian]

41. Maybe "freak" refers to any who question powers that be and policy.

It is impossible to link now to so many sites without getting bombarded with insults. Sites that have many good posters.

[idendoit]

74. Lyrics from If Six Was Nine by Hendrix.

White collar conservative flashin' down the street
Pointin' their plastic finger at me, ha !
They're hopin' soon my kind will drop and die but uh
I'm gonna wave my freak flag high, high !
Oww !

Inspired by the Daily Kos logo.

[FiveGoodMen]

77. I thought you were quoting 'Almost Cut My Hair'

Almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day
It was gettin' kinda long
I could-a said it was in my way
But I didn't and I wonder why
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
I feel like I owe it to someone

Must be because I had the flu for Christmas
And I'm not feelin' up to par
It increases my paranoia
Like lookin' at my mirror and seein' a police car
But I'm not givin' in an inch to fear
'cause I promised myself this year
I feel like I owe it to someone

When I finally get myself together
I'm gonna get down in some sunny southern weather
Find a place inside to laugh
Separate the wheat from the chaff
I feel like I owe it to someone

[idendoit]

80. Another great tune that fits the sentiment!

[truebrit71]

27. Good to see someone finally stand up...

This 'third way' crap is PRECISELY why we are in a seemingly never-ending cycle of mediocre, middle-of-the-road DINO's getting on the ballot...

[Catherina]

79. 'zactly! n/t

[madfloridian]

30. Per WillyT's post. Is it an honor for Markos when Jon Cowan 3rd way attacks him in Politico?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/daily-kos-democrats-moderates-104817.html#.UytnRKhkSSr

I am inclined to think so.

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. Kick and nominate

politico is a rightwing front group with maybe one or two decent reporters but not that guy.


You had a very good post on him in December
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024150143

[madfloridian]

42. Now guess who will be blamed for any losses. That's right...Kos will be the fall guy.

Then the Third Way will have to use Politico to post more stuff about him and others who take stands.

[Ichingcarpenter]

46. Third Way Tim Kaine gave us the 2010 results

if progressives are nominated then the progressives activists will be motivated to work and independents will follow. Milktoast third way candidates cause voter apathy and lose elections.

[Zorra]

45. "No. It's been scientifically proven that only RW corporatist pseudo-Dems can win elections!"

[madfloridian]

53. That's because often liberal challengers kept out of primaries.

By the Democratic party leaders influenced by Third Way/DLC policy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024588159

So seldom are they given a chance to prove they could win.

[Zorra]

60. So true. nt

[Eleanors38]

96. Given the prominence Bennet & Kessler give the issue in their piece,

I believe "gun control" is primarily a 3rd Way doctrine. Such an "issue" is hardly the test of a purist progressive.

[JNelson6563]

38. Dingell's retiring but...

they are setting up a coronation of his wife in his place. There will be no change.

Julie

[madfloridian]

67. Not very familiar with Dingell, Julie.

Not aware of the political leanings there. I have heard the name I know. Your use of the word coronation makes me think that a choice is not being given?

[JNelson6563]

89. From what I heard a few years back

Dingell has been a touch out of it. Like staff worries when they can't find him...his wife has been pulling the strings for a while now and has gotten herself some power. I don't know that she's much loved, but a power base that is formidable.

Good to see you as always old friend!
Julie

[madfloridian]

90. Same to you, Julie.

Good to see you..

[proverbialwisdom]

43. Thank you for the info. (nt)

[woo me with science]

48. Another crack in the facade.

It feels like cracks are springing up all over the dam, more and more voices starting to talk honestly about what is being done to this country.

It's tempting to start feeling a tiny bit of hope.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Too cynical for hope

[woo me with science]

50. Damn it, nadine.

I keep trying to sustain even a glimmer of hope, and you keep shooting it down.

Must you keep talking about history and stuff? God, I need so much to believe we can change this.

Just kidding...but not really.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. I will try to do better

But I think all that hope and change talk, and covering local politics has really soured me.

[woo me with science]

56. I understand.

I really do.

[madfloridian]

55. Tiny rays of hope.

[woo me with science]

57. Straining toward them

like flowers in a cellar.

Thanks.

[theboss]

51. Let's replace McCaskill and Coons with Akin and O'Donnell

That will fix everything.

Kos is targeting the wrong people. If you want progressive change, you elect the most progressive candidate you can find where they can - MA, CA, IL, VT, etc. Get 25 extremely progressive senators and 36 moderate Dems and watch what happens.

Let's not follow a Tea Party model of losing seats for the sake of purity.

[madfloridian]

58. STOP comparing liberals who speak out to the Tea Party. That is destructive.

And it will damn sure keep some people from voting in the fall because of the blame and shame attached.

Most of us speaking out are good Democrats who have worked for the party and its candidates. We are concerned about policy.

[theboss]

65. I will not when they behave the same

Free Republic is determined to purge every RINO (whatever that is) in the Senate with some Tea Party maniac. And in some cases, I hope they succeed. It would be nice if they just decided to give us a seat in Kentucky for no apparent reason.

Turning our sites on the most vulnerable Democrats in the Senate is the same thing. I would rather have Coons than McDonnell. And, yes, it is a binary argument. Because he would have lost to a moderate Republican and she would have beaten a far-left Democrat.

Politics is the art of the possible. Dreaming of a Never-Never Senate with 60 Bernie Sanders is a path to irrelevancy.

[madfloridian]

66. Refusing to enable is NOT "purging" That's baloney. This is NOT Free Republic.

My post, Markos' post say nothing about "purging" anyone. He is saying he is not putting the support of his forum behind the Third Way Democrats. I say good for him.

I donated freely for years during and after the Dean Campaign. Since the DLC decided he would not be the candidate, and since they called all of his supporters "fringe".....I have not been donating because I feel it is a waste of good money.

Will I vote for those who support corporate ideals rather than those of the people? Probably. I will do so grudgingly and sadly because I believe they can stand up for the people and still win.

I can tell you one thing the name calling IS doing. It is angering the base of the party in many ways. And yes, there still is a "base" of the party waiting to be heard.

[tnlefty]

88. Good to see you mad!

I admire your tenacity!

[madfloridian]

91. That makes you one of a very few...

I have often heard it called far worse than tenacity...so I consider that a compliment.

Haven't seen you around in a while. This board moves so fast, hard to keep up.

Good to see you. back at you.

[Glitterati]

97. Same here. Good to see mad posting again

and, yes, your tenacity is an asset to us all.

You make DU a better place.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

78. Politics is the art of making the impossible possible.

Surrender to the status quo is the 'art of the possible'.

Sadly, we have too many politicians who must be dragged, kicking and screaming, to positions the general public already holds, mainly because so many people will continue to vote for them even when they espouse regressive policies that most Americans don't want.

Voting for someone, no matter how crappy, is a sure way to guarantee they stay crappy.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

85. Ironically, Kos is likely helping these people establish their centrist cred

If you imagine a "DailyKos" endorsement as a positive in Missouri or North Carolina, you're smoking something. And running against Delaware's business-friendly incorporation policies is also not smart for Democrats from that state. There are a lot of bank workers there.

Mr. Moulisas used to understand what you were saying. I think he's just POed because of the attacks that group is pushing, including the ones against him personally. The trouble for me is that I feel he has a right to be upset. Attacking Senator Warren was uncalled for. Still, politics is not only the art of the possible, it's also no place for unreasoning anger.

2014 is going to turn into a nail-biter - largely because Democrats don't show up. But I think it's likely that this particular spat won't have any effect, or perhaps a microscopic positive effect. We'll see, of course.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[sabrina 1]

102. What does what the morons on FR do have to do with US? Here's what you need to know, we don't care

WHAT THEY DO. So using them as a 'tool' to shut down liberal democrats will FAIL and only raise questions as to WHY their lunacy is being brought over here.

Focus, on what OUR goals are. And WHO best represents those goals. And who does not. And then focus on how to replace the Third Wayers who are beholden to Corporations and replace them with Reps who REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.

And enough with the Third Way Talking Points we have heard for years also. They are lame and childish and OLD. 'Purist' eg, and 'don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good' garbage. All are attacks on Liberal Dems inserted into any conversation about actual issues.

Interesting thing about those Third Way talking points, Kos was one of the first to use them against liberals.

I wonder what happened to change his mind about EVERYTHING, because this is a complete flip flop for him.

[colsohlibgal]

52. Third Way Is No Way To Go

Bush......Clinton.....Bush.....Clinton - see a trend there?

And, as has been astutely pointed out, Bill Clinton's run does not look so good in hindsight. He pushed through those trade deals and did away with Glass Steagall - letting banks be casinos again.

Then there is the fact that Hillary voted for the Iraq war, so how easily manipulated is she?

I would like to see a female president soon, but this third way stuff is no good for the middle and lower classes.

[madfloridian]

59. "no good for the middle and lower classes."

Very true. A lot of good for very rich.

[Catherina]

81. Hillary Clinton, Mar 2014: 'Let's Be Clear,' Military Option for Iran 'on the Table'

Clinton: 'Let's Be Clear,' Military Option for Iran 'on the Table'
Likely presidential candidate calls Israeli government policies exemplary as she receives lifetime achievement award from American Jewish Congress
- Jon Queally, staff writer


Former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks after receiving the American Jewish Congress' lifetime achievement award on Wednesday, March 19, 2014, in New York. Clinton spoke at the group’s gala and emphasized the longstanding relationship between the United States and Israel, and also spoke about the negotiations process with Iran. (Photo: Jin Lee, AP)

Commenting on the ongoing talks between Iran and the P5+1 nations over the nation's nuclear program and ongoing western sanctions, former Secretary of State and likely presidential candidate Hillary Clinton told a largely pro-Israel crowd on Wednesday that she is "personally skeptical" of Iran's stated commitments and that, in her eyes, "all options"—including military ones—should be part of U.S. policy towards Tehran if talks fail.

“Let’s be clear,” she said, “every other option does remain on the table.”

Two days of negotiations between Iran, the US, Russia, China, UK, France, and Germany concluded in Vienna on Wednesday with progress, but no final settlement as of yet. Some diplomats leaving the latest round expressed optimism about prospects for a final deal. But Clinton, from her vantage in New York, expressed her continued doubts that diplomatic efforts can succeed.

“The odds of reaching that comprehensive agreement are not good,” Clinton said. “I am also personally skeptical that the Iranians would follow through and deliver. I have seen their behavior over the years. But this is a development that is worth testing.”

According to the Washington Post:

In a 30-minute address at an American Jewish Congress gala — where she was honored with a lifetime achievement award by actress Julianna Margulies and serenaded at the dinner table by Israeli singer Liel Kolet — Clinton presented herself as a tough defender of Israel in the Senate and at the State Department.

“When Americans of all faiths look at Israel, we see a homeland for a people long oppressed and a democracy that has to defend itself at every turn,” Clinton said. “In Israel’s story, we see our own.”

Clinton described in detail her role in shaping the country’s policies with regard to Iran from the earliest days of the Obama administration. This is likely to be a focus of her forthcoming memoir, due out this spring, which she teased in a separate speech earlier Wednesday.

Citing the group's website, the Associated Press describes the the American Jewish Congress is "an association of Jewish Americans seeking to defend Jewish interests through public policy advocacy, using diplomacy, legislation and the court system."

Though undeclared, Clinton remains the likely frontrunner as the next presidential candidate for the Democratic party, holding commanding leads in all polling on the subject thus far.

Though she has largely demurred from speculation about her possible candidacy, the publication of her upcoming memoir is expected to begin the groundwork for her positioning.

Long known as a hawk on foreign policy issues, Clinton's vote in favor of the invasion of Iraq under President George W. Bush is largely credited as the issue that lost her the primary race against then Sen. Barack Obama in 2008, as he cast himself as the anti-war candidate in contrast to her record.

_______________________________________
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/03/20

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. Good.

[madfloridian]

69. Yes.

[prommie]

62. Third Way was invented by Clintons

And Obama has prosecuted how many banksters?

[madfloridian]

63. Bankers and war criminals basically ignored.

But minor offenses, esp by the poor or minorities, carry a high prison term.

Priorities out of whack.

[xchrom]

64. du rec.

[madfloridian]

70. From the Third Way website...the latest negative term toward "liberals"

"Purity politics = losing bet for Dems. See @POLITICOMag: Kos folds up the big tent: http://politi.co/NvSydA @ThirdWayKessler"

Purity Politics...that's degrading.

[woo me with science]

72. K&R

[FloriTexan]

73. K&R n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

75. We need to rid ourselves of this contagion

They are extremely distructive.

[YOHABLO]

82. I am all about a New Progressive Party .. why don't we just do it !!

Clintons and Obama were just hood-winking the progressive wing of the Democratic Party .. and most are too stupid to realize that nothing is going to change unless we make extraordinary strides in getting our message out there ... it's very hard to do so when you have a media and the money backers of right stacking the cards against us. But thank god for the internet and Daily Kos .. I am a big fan of Markos .. I may just have to make a contribution $ !!

[tea and oranges]

83. Let's. Let's elect people

who care about their constituents. It sounds so simple.

The DLC is the remnants of the old Republican party. That's what Republicans were like, more or less, before Reagan overturned all the rocks.

We've been hijacked again. We vote for a Democrat, we get a Republican. I could quote GWB about "fool me once" but I don't have the stomach. OK, shame on us.

[pragmatic_dem]

84. Let the conservatives go vote for their Republican brothers instead of taking refuge

in the more tolerant Democratic party.

It is the "economically conservative, socially liberal" Democrats (except when it comes to torture, war, spying, abortion, big oil, etc) who continue to enable the right wing in both parties.

Time to kick them out of the house and tell them to go cozy up to Ted Cruz and company. I'm sure he will welcome them.

The truth is, the rich can afford to take full advantage of a socially generous lifestyle, and that lifestyle is at risk if hard right wingers get their way. So the Democratic Party serves them well, you know, they play both sides against the middle class.

The so called "moderates" have not lost their way. They just prefer to be led around Washington with their lips velcro'd to Wall Street's ass.

[theboss]

86. So your name is, like, ironic then

Cool.

[pragmatic_dem]

99. conservative shills abuse the word pragmatic to cover their misdeeds,

we need to take it away from them. They can have it back when they learn how to use it properly.

[blackspade]

87. Yes.

Finally, some sanity.

[bl968]

92. I will not vote for Hillary

If this is true I will not vote for president in 2016. It's that simple. Bill and Hillary sold us out on healthcare, NAFTA, and a host of other issues. Both she and her husband were DLC core members aka corporatist democrats. She will promise the world to get elected, and then do exactly what Obama did; and that is sell out to the corporate interests that control our government.

A right wing democrat is no better than a left wing republican.

[locks]

94. From the Republic of Boulder

I appreciate the concerns of DU posters but being an active liberal/progressive for many, many years in many states I can tell you as a citizen of the Republic of Boulder there is very little chance we will ever be able to elect any Congresspersons or Senators more hardworking or progressive than Jared Polis and Mark Udall.

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95. K&R n/t

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98. Kick for good news

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101. Isn't part of any democratic process the formation of a new party when the one you brung to

the dance leaves you to be a wallflower? Are we doomed to be stuck with the corporate party just because they have all that money? If we keep electing the DNC picks, we will not end up with a congress and president who will magically become liberal when they have power.

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103. kick

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104. Interesting.