Please, just let us grieve...

[JFN1]

All this concern trolling, pointing out how Zimmerman is entitled to a fair trial, how we should not convict him before all the evidence is in, how he won't get justice because we are all upset and venting.

Tell you what - when people start talking about grabbing a pitchfork and a torch and going to hunt down Zimmerman, then your concern trolling will be justified.

Short of that - let the public vent it's pain. Let. Us. Grieve.

If Zimmerman is charged, his trial won't happen tomorrow, it will be months from now.

And believe it or not, there are people in this country who don't know a thing about this event.

And guess what? In a few months, when jury selection begins, there will still be people in this country who never heard of it - and the lawyers will aim to pick those folks for the jury.

Since it will be a high-visibility trial, the jury will likely be sequestered, so as not to be tainted by the renewed public awareness - this will be done to give Zimmerman as fair a trial as possible.

So please - stop telling us to remember Zimmerman's rights - those of us who are out of high school are well aware of his rights, and those of us who pay attention understand how these things work in America (this is not the first high-profile murder case in America, you know, we've unfortunately been here before), and those of us with any modicum of maturity take Zimmerman's justice just as seriously as we do Trayvon and his family's justice.

When the time comes (which is not at this moment) - to ensure Zimmerman gets a fair shake in court, the lawyers, judges, and jurists will do their best to see to it.

I never knew Trayvon, but man, does this hurt - it hurts lots and lots of people. So please, let us hurt. This is hard enough without your incessant nagging about how wrong we are to hurt, and how wrong our consequential need to talk with each other about it is...

[akbacchus_BC]

1. I agree with you, let us grieve, as the authorities will

not charge Zimmerman for any crime! I am so sorry for the family. And they say black males are not around to support their families, how could they when they are gunned down whilst walking and driving!

[unionworks]

2. Zimmermans Own Words

...on the phone during 911 call... "they always get away with it". Well, Zimmerman, YOU thought YOU got away with lynching a 17 year old kid. Till now. Don't expect any tears from me. Obamas presidency rides on how his justice department handles this case. Show me who I voted for and worked so hard campaigning for, Mr. President. Is there no justice for black Americans even under you?

[teddy51]

3. Please, just let us grieve... But as I understand it the family was involved in the NYC

march to protest there son's murder (30,000 people as I understand it! Yes, we should let the family grieve, but we also need to make certain that the person that killed this young man does not see the light of day any time soon as well.

[akbacchus_BC]

4. You know that Zimmerman will be seen as doing the right thing, even though he stalked a 17 year old.

Sorry, Zimmerman will not do time as the life of a kid of black origin is not important. America, the great!

[unionworks]

5. NO HE WON'T BE

Seen as doing anything right. Even right wingers are starting to come around on this. Honest men can only stomach so much.

[Trillo]

6. Grieving is different from applauding a University's extra-judicial expulsion.

Grieve all you want. Make as much noise as you can. Bring pressure upon authorities to prosecute leading to conviction.

But remember, Universities are part of the Academic Industrial Complex Inc., and to applaud them for enacting a bit of extrajudicial punishment, is the same as applauding a murderer who, so far at least, got away with what appears to be a severe crime.

[Th1onein]

7. They don't understand the concept of probable cause

Zimmerman needs to be jailed NOW. Not later, after more investigation. There is, now, NOW, probable cause to arrest him and he needs to be arrested and jailed.

[arthritisR_US]

14. Your point is one of the very things I

have not been able to quiet in my mind, since learning of this murder. They did not feel they had probable cause initially, to arrest him, but surely with the full light of the 911 tapes, witness testimony and his girlfriends' call, they could arrest him now

[JI7]

8. i don't think there is anyone on DU saying he shouldn't get a trial, should we not discuss Corporate

Crimes or say anyting about it unless/until they get a trial. should we not call them criminals etc until that happens.

the whole wait for trial crap is usually brought up to shut down any discussion. there is nothing to prevent people from discussing cases . and unless someone is saying he shouldn't get a trial at all don't know hwy it comes up.

[backscatter712]

9. The point of this exercise it to see to it that there's something resembling justice.

That means that the Sanford PD's strategy of letting a homicide slide just doesn't cut it.

Am I asking for Zimmerman to be lynched? No. I'm asking, as are millions of others, for a proper investigation into Trayvon's death, which should in all likelihood result in Zimmerman being charged with second-degree, if not first-degree murder. Then present the evidence at trial, and assuming he's guilty, send him to prison.

Excuse me for being pretty damned suspicious, as a citizen observing this story from halfway across the country, and being properly suspicious that Zimmerman is a damned murderer, and that he decided to become a damned murderer solely because of Trayvon's skin color. And that the Sanford PD decided to let this murder slide, again because of Trayvon's skin color, and Zimmerman's skin color.

It's not that hard, folks.

[hfojvt]

10. Why does this hurt so much to you?

I do not get this at all. Where does this pain come from?

I don't believe it is pain. I see it as a desire to hate. Zimmerman is now on the pillory and all of the public is venting their spleen on him, as a living, breathing example of what is wrong with everything. Zimmerman is so evil, that we can hate him - with God on our side. Oh sweet freedom. It is like Francis from the movie Stripes declaring "I finally get to kill somebody."

[JI7]

11. an innocent kid is dead

so try to understand why people might feel hate towards the person who shot him to death after hunting him down.

i don't believe in god.

[hfojvt]

12. lots of innocent kids are dead

as I have tried to point out a few times http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=449366

So why feel more hate towards Zimmerman than towards the murderers of Ranisha Jones or Jalisa Reed?

You may not believe in God, but perhaps you believe in justice. To "hate with God on your side" is basically saying "In all my years of judging I have never heard before, of someone MORE DESERVING of the full penalty of law." You don't have to hate Zimmrman alone. You get to hate Zimmerman along with every other decent person in the universe. In the words of Clinton "it is the right thing to do."

[JI7]

13. did they refuse to arrest the people who killed Ranisha Jones and Jalisa REed ?

[hfojvt]

15. Who knows?

Many times the shooter is never found. Or at least news of an arrest does not make as big a story as news of the death. Is the loss of an innocent life less painful when a guilty person is put behind bars? Curiously enough Jalisa's mother is not stirring up crowds demanding the arrest of her daughter's killer, who she seems to know. http://www.kctv5.com/story/17189295/mother-forgives-shooter-who-killed-her-teen-daughter?clienttype=printable

[JI7]

16. it mentions a person but doesn't say she knows who it is specifically

and it says to contact that line if you know who it is.

there is no comparison between the 2 cases.

[hfojvt]

17. so you mean

You do not care if Jalisa's killer is ever brought to justice?

The comparison between the two cases is that in each case, an innocent life was lost.

To me, Jalisa matters at least as much as Trayvon.

[JI7]

18. the issue with Trayvon's case is we know who shot him and how the cops have fucked up

the investigation or lack of.

if those things are involved in Jalisa's case post about it.

this is just like freepholes bringing up some white person who was attacked by a black person. but in every case they bring up the black person was arrested .

[moriah]

20. And sometimes the body is never identified.

http://www.doenetwork.org

Check it out.

But the failings in law enforcement that cannot be helped are not a reason to justify willful failure to investigate.

[JFN1]

22. It's called "empathy."

This hurts people because they can imagine the terror the victim felt, they can imagine the horror the parents are going through, and they can apply those things to their own lives. Empathy offers deep perspective about one's own life, and tradgedies such as this cut deep, for people can see themselves experiencing similar events.

It is not about a desire to hate; rather it is about the need to understand, and prevent, if possible, future tradgedies which could, in fact, hit closer to home.

It is about personal and social growth, maturity and wisdom.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

19. If a cop is involved in the shooting death

of a suspect, his gun is taken and he is immediately placed on administrative
leave regardless of how justified the shooting may first appear. It boggles the
mind what is standard procedure in every PD across the country was not even
considered by the Stanford PD after Zimmerman murdered Trayvon.

[cliffordu]

21. Just listen to the tape, Ya'll.

Fuck that stupid racist son of a bitch.

I figure genpop in any maximum security prison will be justice.

No administrative segregation for the weasel.

Let's see how tough he is when the lifers get their hands on him

and he doesn't have a 9mm on an unarmed kid.

A kid who saved his father's life at 9 years old.



I don't believe in the death penalty anymore,

But if you wanna act like a tough guy, go live with the really tough guys.

Unarmed.