looks like russia could be invading the ukraine

[leftyohiolib]

wolf just got done talking to christiane amanpour. potus might cancel his trip to russia. wolf is talking about this now on cnn

[applegrove]

1. Oh ****!

[morningfog]

2. Russia loves to invade nations during and/or after the Olympics.

[elehhhhna]

4. whereas we do it whenever the fuck we want

MERICA!

[newfie11]

5. +infinity!!!! Nt

[morningfog]

7. We never stop doing it. Waronterra foreva!

[L0oniX]

37. ...especially when we are being lied to by our glorious dear leaders.

Buck Fush and his owner ...Mr Go Fuck Your Self ...and their crime syndicate pals.

[polly7]

16. The truth about South Ossetia

After the west heaped blame on Russia for the conflict, it ignores new evidence of Georgia's crimes of aggression

Seumas Milne
theguardian.com, Friday 31 October 2008 16.15 GM

So now they tell us. Two months after the brief but bloody war in the Caucasus which was overwhelmingly blamed on Russia by western politicians and media at the time, a serious investigation by the BBC has uncovered a very different story.

Not only does the report by Tim Whewell – aired this week on Newsnight and on Radio 4's File on Four - find strong evidence confirming western-backed Georgia as the aggressor on the night of August 7. It also assembles powerful testimony of wide-ranging war crimes carried out by the Georgian army in its attack on the contested region of South Ossetia.

They include the targeting of apartment block basements – where civilians were taking refuge – with tank shells and Grad rockets, the indiscriminate bombardment of residential districts and the deliberate killing of civilians, including those fleeing the South Ossetian capital of Tskinvali.
The carefully balanced report – which also details evidence of ethnic cleansing by South Ossetian paramilitaries – cuts the ground from beneath later Georgian claims that its attack on South Ossetia followed the start of a Russian invasion the previous night.

At the time, the Georgian government said its assault on Tskinvali was intended to "restore constitutional order" in an area it has never ruled, as well as to counter South Ossetian paramilitary provocations. Georgian intelligence subsequently claimed to have found the tape of an intercepted phone call backing up its Russian invasion story – but even Georgia's allies balk at a claim transparently intended to bolster its shaky international legal position .

Full article: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/oct/31/russia-georgia


McCain tried his hardest to ramp that one up, too.

BY SATYAM KHANNA ON AUGUST 15, 2008 AT 9:51 AM

"McCain: Georgia conflict is the ‘first serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War.’"

Speaking at the Aspen Institute in Colorado yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said that recent Russian aggression in Georgia is the “first…serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War.” McCain seemingly ignored the Gulf War, 9/11, and the Iraq War, to name a few:

My friends, we have reached a crisis, the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War. This is an act of aggression."

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/08/15/27592/mccain-russia/


Senator John McCain: “We Are All Ukrainians”

In an interview with TIME, the Arizona Senator said Obama is “naïve” about Putin’s ambitions “to restore the Russian empire”

In response to reports of a Russian takeover in parts of Crimea, Arizona Senator John McCain said on Friday, “We are all Ukrainians,” before calling for swift U.S. economic aid to Ukraine, condemnation of Russia at the United Nations, sanctions against Russian officials and the installation of U.S. missiles in the nearby Czech Republic.

Russian President Vladimir Putin believes “this is a chess match reminiscent of the Cold War and we need to realize that and act accordingly,” McCain said, in an exclusive interview with TIME. “That does not mean I envision a conflict with Russia, but we need to take certain measures that would convince Putin that there is a very high cost to actions that he is taking now.”

McCain made his declaration in response to a question from TIME about his famous 2008 statement, “We are all Georgians,” issued when he was a Republican presidential candidate after Russia invaded Georgia. Asked whether he feels the same way about the plight of Ukraine six years later, he agreed. “We are all Ukrainians in the respect that we have a sovereign nation that is again with international boundaries… that is again being taken in as part of Russia,” he said in an interview in his Senate office. “That is not acceptable to an America that stands up for the rights of human beings. We are Georgians. And we are Ukrainians.”

Read more: John McCain Says We Are All Ukrainians, Takes On Putin | TIME.com http://swampland.time.com/2014/02/28/ukraine-john-mccain-putin-crimea/#ixzz2ufG28LBP

[elehhhhna]

3. THANK GOD we totally have a shitload of moral authority to tell them not to do that.

Mmm hmmm.

[L0oniX]

38. ^^^^this^^^^ yes really ^^^^this^^^^

[Cleita]

6. They are reporting it on MSNBC too.

Yikes. Some have suggested it could trigger another world war like ww1 was triggered. Don't know enough about it but it's a scary idea.

[JVS]

8. That's not going to happen. Russia has too many nuclear weapons to be involved in another world war

[Cleita]

9. I hope so. n/t

[leftyohiolib]

11. but i could mean an escalation to troops on the ground. theyll come home from Afghanistan

and go to the ukraine

[BKH70041]

13. Are you talking about American troops?

I don't want to jump the gun and have you saying something you aren't, so that's why I'm asking.

[leftyohiolib]

17. not american they are russian troops but rhetoric is escalating

[BKH70041]

22. Just so I'll understand...

When you said " theyll come home from Afghanistan and go to the Ukraine" you were speaking of Russian troops?

[leftyohiolib]

26. no i was speaking of us troops and that was speculation. i probably should have kept that to

myself

[BKH70041]

35. No biggie

American troops won't be sent there.

[AverageJoe90]

29. And they know they'd get their asses kicked.

Putin may be Russia's Reagan but he's not so extremely foolish as to start a nuclear war......not even Stalin would go that far.

[JVS]

42. They'd give as good as they get in a nuclear war.

[AverageJoe90]

43. Wouldn't really matter now, would it?

A lot of their stuff is outdated and rickety.....at least we've still got adequately updated equipment.

[AverageJoe90]

27. I'd chock it up to fearmongering, TBH.

There's already been a lot of that utter bullshit going around anyway.

[Drale]

10. Not really a suprise

Putin's stuck in the Cold War and will do anything to try and rebuild the former Soviet Union.

[leftyohiolib]

12. im watching a video of russian helicopter flying into ukraine

[Pretzel_Warrior]

14. nothing a hot cup of polonium won't cure. Putin loves the stuff.

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. It would be helpful to describe *why* someone thinks "russia could be invading the ukraine"

rather than who is talking to whom on the TV. A headline like that needs explaining.

[leftyohiolib]

18. put on cnn or msnbc . im not a reporter , well now there are tanks moving in

when i posted this there were troops on the gruond then video of helicopters flying in now tanks moving in

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. I don't have CNN or MSNBC. 'Tanks' is a useful thing to say, though

That's the kind of thing I was after. Thanks.

[leftyohiolib]

21. oh sorry there is video of troops on the ground a video on utube of helicopters flying in

now a video on cnn of tanks

[dipsydoodle]

24. More likely Crimea will ask Russia to take it

after a majority vote referendum of course.

Czechoslovakia split - what's the difference

[Cleita]

31. What they said is that there were reports of Russian troops

seizing two airports in the Ukraine. Which airports they didn't say. The Russians are denying it so it's speculation right now. Up till now there are no pictures.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Well, that's about 20 hours old now, if it's the 2 in Crimea

so I hope CNN or MSNBC aren't painting that as "Russia could be invading the Ukraine". I've just watched the BBC, Sky, Al Jazeera and RT, and none of them are talking about a possible 'invasion'. Some did show some daytime pictures (so at least 8 hours old) of Russian armoured personnel carriers parked by a Crimean road. That is probably this:

Russian troops have moved into Crimea in what Moscow is calling a mission to “protect Black Sea Fleet’s positions” but which the Ukrainian government has denounced as an “armed intervention.”

The Russian foreign ministry said Friday that it had informed the Ukrainian government that armoured units from the Black Sea Fleet base near Sevastopol had entered Crimea in order to protect fleet positions.

“The Ukrainian side was also passed a note regarding the movement of armoured vehicles of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, which is happening in full accordance with the foundation Russian-Ukrainian agreement on the Black Sea Fleet,” the ministry said in a statement posted on its website on Friday afternoon.

In the same note the Russian foreign ministry said it had declined a Ukrainian request for “bilateral consultations” on events in Crimea because they are “the result of recent internal political processes in Ukraine.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=741586

The vehicles were, I think, already in Crimea; it's provocative to send them out onto the roads at a time like this, but, not, I'd say, an 'invasion' (a commentator on RT was denying any Russian troops had been seen in Crimea, however - I suppose if they remained inside the vehicles, that would be technically true, but it's pretty outrageous denial of facts, really).

[Cleita]

36. Well you know more than me and MSNBC is talking about the

2016 Pres. race now.

[LittleBlue]

19. We need to stay out of it

We aren't the world police.

[leftyohiolib]

23. no we are not but u know the us will stick it's nose in it

[LittleBlue]

25. Yep

And we thought conflict with Syria was unpopular. Conflict with Russia... fighting over Ukraine... no thanks.

[Cleita]

32. Which side would we take? I guess it would depend on what treaties

we have with both countries.

[Democracyinkind]

28. Well, the status of the crimea is not as clear cut as some would have us believe.

There are no easy answers here.

[polly7]

30. Carnival in Crimea

by Pepe Escobar / February 28th, 2014

Time waits for no one, but apparently will wait for Crimea. The speaker of the Crimean parliament, Vladimir Konstantinov, has confirmed there will be a referendum on greater autonomy from Ukraine on May 25.

Until then, Crimea will be as hot and steamy as carnival in Rio because Crimea is all about Sevastopol, the port of call for the Russian Black Sea fleet.

If the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is a bull, this is the red flag to end all red flags. Even if you’re deep in alcohol nirvana dancin’ your troubles away at carnival in Rio — or New Orleans, or Venice, or Trinidad and Tobago — your brain will have registered that NATO’s ultimate wet dream is to command a Western puppet Ukrainian government to kick the Russian navy out of its base in Sevastopol. The negotiated lease applies until 2042. Threats and rumors of reneging it have already emerged.

The absolute majority of the Crimean peninsula is populated by Russian speakers. Very few Ukrainians live there. In 1954, it took only 15 minutes for Ukrainian Nikita Krushchev — he of the banging shoe at the UN floor — to give Crimea as a free gift to Ukraine (then part of the USSR). In Russia, Crimea is perceived as Russian. Nothing will change that fact.


Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/02/carnival-in-crimea/#more-53152

[Democracyinkind]

33. the last paragraph can not be repeated enough. nt

[RebelOne]

39. It is not "the Ukraine". It is just Ukraine. n/t

[Cleita]

40. The Ukraine means border and that's what it was once called so I heard. I'm sure

many of us have not caught up with the new designation I presume.

[customerserviceguy]

41. Thank you

Reporting here from The New York.