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bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 10:51 PM Mar 2012

If Zimmerman were dead, would Trayvon be walking free right now?

The info so far points to a view that Zimmerman was acting more threatening toward Trayvon Martin, so under the Stand Your Ground Law, the kid would have had a strong justification to protect himself. An older, larger man was overtly following a young man who was on his way home, who was the real threat here?

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If Zimmerman were dead, would Trayvon be walking free right now? (Original Post) bigbrother05 Mar 2012 OP
Obviously not. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #1
Interesting that the states with similar laws are also strong concealed carry states bigbrother05 Mar 2012 #3
Easily...but you have to be in reasonable fear of your life/GBI ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #9
Point.Set & Match. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #7
They drug tested Trayvon's body. They did not drug test zimmerman. What does that say? mucifer Mar 2012 #2
Seriously? Fridays Child Mar 2012 #4
Every single day there has been something mind-blowing to consider. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #8
That's a quote from Trayvon's lawyer. mucifer Mar 2012 #10
They also tried to corupt witnesses. Person said Trayvon screamed for help and police said No Justice wanted Mar 2012 #5
It does sound as if Trayvon would have been justified in using deadly force- X_Digger Mar 2012 #6
it's obvious that zimmerman was the real threat. barbtries Mar 2012 #11

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
3. Interesting that the states with similar laws are also strong concealed carry states
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 11:01 PM
Mar 2012

How could there be any problems where using a hidden gun to resolve a perceived threat is legally sanctioned?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
9. Easily...but you have to be in reasonable fear of your life/GBI
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:33 AM
Mar 2012

You also have that burden...not the state. That is the same in all 50 states, including Florida. It has nothing to do with Stand Your Ground.

Its black letter law for those who actually want to know what the law says...

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
4. Seriously?
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 11:02 PM
Mar 2012

Just when I thought that the facts of this case couldn't possibly be more messed up than they already were!

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
8. Every single day there has been something mind-blowing to consider.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 11:13 PM
Mar 2012

It makes it that more unacceptable that the Sanford Police tried to spin a completely different story, using the Orlando Sentinel as the messenger.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
5. They also tried to corupt witnesses. Person said Trayvon screamed for help and police said No
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 11:05 PM
Mar 2012

Zimmerman cried for help.


X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
6. It does sound as if Trayvon would have been justified in using deadly force-
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 11:06 PM
Mar 2012

at least assuming Zimmerman took the first swing or tried to detain him.

It's not about 'feeling threatened', much as some media have portrayed it. Here's the statute, for clarification-

[div class='excerpt']776.012 Use of force in defense of person.

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.


The 'forcible felony' here being aggravated assault, kidnapping, etc (again, assuming Zimmerman initiated physical contact.)

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
11. it's obvious that zimmerman was the real threat.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:39 AM
Mar 2012

witness Trayvon's dead body, with his skittles and his tea. and the big man who chased him down with the gun.

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