'DU is just DUmping ground for malcontents'

[Ichingcarpenter]

Well, I thought about that statement and realized

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4455534

I've always worked for a better world be it as a teacher, a labor organizer in the south, a special ed teacher ........hell I'm just a political dissident.

And didn't realize how good we got it.

[Pholus]

1. Fellow malcontent here. I figure when the pious complain....

you're probably doing something right!

Keep it up, we need ya!

[BainsBane]

2. Why not simply tell that poster what you think about that comment

Rather than starting a separate thread to talk about him/her?

[bluesbassman]

14. "Well, I thought about that statement and realized"...

Seems to me that the OP is about the statement, not the poster.

[BainsBane]

16. Then the link is an unnecessary callout. nt

[bluesbassman]

19. Not really. Provides a reference point. n/t

[bvar22]

100. ...and context

The comment is even more disgusting when viewed in the context of that thread.

[Capt. Obvious]

106. I had trouble figuring out the context

as it plopped me in the middle of ignores.

[bvar22]

108. Then you already know the context.

Ignore is helpful,
but there are some acts of hypocrisy and embarrassing failure that I don't want to miss.

I know...I know,
my mother told me that I should avert my eyes when clowns make fools of themselves in public.
Mom always said it is not their fault, and I should feel sorry for them,
but I can't help it.
I just have to look and laugh.

[Aerows]

126. When someone says something so heinous

It's time to point that out. It really isn't about the poster, though, it is about excusing people that post such bullcrap.

Three posters excused those comments. I don't.

[BainsBane]

133. Heinous?

Give me a break. You feel offended. DUers are not more important than the rest of humanity. We are a collection of human beings with strengths, weaknesses, and infallibilities like everyone else on the planet.

This is a mean-spirited witch hunt. There is a jury system for dealing with offensive comments. If the jury didn't hide it, the decision was made. Starting a thread is intended only to ostracize and scorn. I do not want to see every DUer of color driven off this site. We lack a diversity of worldviews and experiences here. Campaigns like this only make it worse.

Thinking food for the poor is more important than porn is not a crime against humanity. Observing that people care less about the former than the latter may make people uncomfortable, but it is not heinous.

[Aerows]

136. Well isn't this an interesting laundry list

I'm pleased you made a fleet of assumptions about me, and I won't sink your boats.

It is helpful to know exactly who you are disparaging, my friend. It's kind of a good idea to read their posts instead of jumping to conclusions in defense of someone that said something indefensible.

I'll leave you to it, however.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

36. Says one of the most prolific thread starters at DU.

I am impressed with the volume of posts you crank out. The content...not so much.

[Titonwan]

64. I am much of the same feeling.

Some think quantity is better than quality. No. Shit no.

[BainsBane]

66. That's what the ignore function is for

I suggest you use it.

[Titonwan]

69. Heavens no.

How can we repeat what you say at a later date to refute your facts or opinions? I much prefer to read it all. I'm a big boy now!

[BainsBane]

71. At a later date?

Why would you repeat it at a later date? Why not discuss the issue at the time?

[Titonwan]

74. It's called 'history'

So if I engage in an argument and I catch you contradicting yourself- I'll have informative links that destroy your recent and latest misdirections. Oh I do love archives. Almost as much as the NSA except I'm not tryin' to blackmail ya.
Now kindly hand me that mint julep

[BainsBane]

76. This is fascinating

because I don't recall ever seeing you before. What exactly have I contradicted myself about? And why, I have to wonder, is what I say so fascinating? Isn't the point of the site to discuss politics and issues?

I'm quite familiar with archives myself, and nineteenth-century manuscripts in particular. Exactly what sort of social history are you compiling that would draw upon me as a source?

[LanternWaste]

101. I though big boys avoided petulance...

"I'm a big boy now!"

I though big boys avoided petulance...

(insert rationalization here)

[Aerows]

139. Petulance?

Is that what we are calling anger about racism these days?

[sabrina 1]

83. I was surprised that the poster missed the hundreds of thousands of people who

were out marching and protesting and getting beaten up, brutalized, spied on, arrested and jailed for the poor. Many of them ARE the unemployed.

Too bad s/he missed the opportunity to get out their with them and help, they are still out there so there's still time for him/her to join them.

I am sure the protest over the massive violations of our rights, which were used against the people that poster was wishing for, is part of the effort to make this a better country.

[clarice]

88. I would be glad to"get out there with them" but I'm too busy working. nt

[sabrina 1]

91. That sounds like an excuse. Most of those out there protesting are working

some have two jobs but they make the sacrifice for those who have lost their jobs, and of course many of them have lost their jobs, or are college students with little or no hope of getting jobs.

I thought you cared about the unemployed?

[clarice]

92. I absolutely DO care. That's why I'm less than thrilled with the jobs report.

I think that we first need to create an environment that is conducive to job growth.

[NuclearDem]

94. Don't do that.

Yes, people are able to get out and protest and make the sacrifice, and some are making the choice to put a lot on the line. But shaming people who choose not to because they're worried about their job security and have families to take care of is just downright appalling.

We're supposed to be out there fighting for those people, not otherizing them and shaming them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. Protesting is all well and good....but the most effective effort...VOTING!

and not trashing every single democrat as a heretic because they don't measure up to some idealistic point of view.

[clarice]

105. Thanks NucDem.....nt

[sabrina 1]

112. Maybe you direct your comments to those who began the 'shaming' as you call it.

Those who claim that it's 'too bad we can't get people' to demonstrate for the unemployed while they supposedly have time for other things.

My comment was a RESPONSE to what you call 'shaming'. I'm not into shaming, which is what my comment was all about.

[Tarheel_Dem]

107. I was surprised when you claimed that "50 million US households watch Russia Today"! And I still am.

Link?????

[Doctor_J]

149. I think (s)he also missed all of the arrests in NC this past summer

it's as if the NSA overreach is the only thing that's ever been protested (and, by implication, a thinly veiled racists attack on our perfect president)

I think the BOG must have some sort of rapid response team that flocks to threads containing keywords like NSA, Snowden, Greenwald, Chained CPI, and so forth.

[davidpdx]

114. I know, you know the answer

But it is ridiculous that some on DU seem hell bent to get someone banned. People have a right within reason to say what they want about DU. I am frankly sick of the baiting posts that have happened the last few days. I was on a jury this morning where another person was baiting the same person and then turned around and alerted on them. It's such gutless behavior.

[treestar]

120. [phone]

[1000words]

3. Meh ... I've been called worse, by better people.

I'm not going to get "bogged" down in melodrama.

[Fumesucker]

4. If you have suffered from both BDS ~and~ ODS then you just might be a malcontent

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. Now is the winter of our discontent

But mine doesn't end in summer like Richard but maybe more like Stienbeck's use of it.




Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.





I think I'd rather think of the goodbye girl vs the BDS ~and~ ODS

[rhett o rick]

21. I think I was in the 6th grade when I first was told I was a malcontent.

And I havent changed much.

[Fumesucker]

49. Little rhett just isn't living up to his potential

[Titonwan]

65. Belly laugh!

[rhett o rick]

67. I really want to be liked, but damn if I will kiss the bully's ass.

I remember in the third grade getting my glasses broken so many times fighting the bullies that my parents gave up buying me any more.

[clarice]

93. If you suffer from....CIS (Chronically Indignant Syndrome)...

You may be a malcontent.

[villager]

5. That's what rightwingers have always called progressives!

The particular rightwinger who posted that being no exception!

[rhett o rick]

17. Shame on you. That's rude and I approve.

You said, "The particular rightwinger who posted that being no exception! "

Having had our fun, I dont think they are a rightwinger. It's worse. Blind loyalty means having no principles.

[quinnox]

6. That poster is one of the most devoted to their perfect

and divine "hero". Any who speak a disparaging word is a heretic. So that is not a surprising comment, its par for the course.

[rhett o rick]

12. .

[Loaded Liberal Dem]

7. Proud Malcontent

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

8. Unfortunately you'll find that sort of douchebag comment every now and again here. nt

[Scuba]

10. Card-carrying malcontent here.

Trying to make things better, despite my growing cynicism.

[rhett o rick]

11. Here's my response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024455099#post8

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Well many of our founders were also racist pricks

Why do so many worship at the feet of the founding fathers? Many of them had no issues with blacks being enslaved or denying women rights such as voting.

I refuse to lick their feet.

[rhett o rick]

22. Are you saying you dont respect the founders of this country? nm

[Cali_Democrat]

23. You expect me to have respect for racist people who enslaved blacks and denied women rights?

Fawk that.

If you wanna lick the feet of all those white men, you go right ahead.

Count me out.

[rhett o rick]

28. So would you consider yourself a "malcontent"?? nm

[Cali_Democrat]

31. Depends on the issue. nt

[rhett o rick]

33. Do you think our founders put together a decent government under the circumstances? nm

[Cali_Democrat]

79. No. The European parliamentary system is superior. nt

[Hippo_Tron]

165. Europe was still full of monarchies and oligarchies when this nation was formed...

The UK had a parliament that a tiny tiny fraction of its citizens were allowed to participate in. Even with our requirement that you be a white property owning male to vote, what we were doing in 1789 was pretty damn novel and had a huge impact on the rest of the world.

[1StrongBlackMan]

116. "under the circumstances?" ...

So now we are to take in account, "circumstances", i.e., political environment?

[rhett o rick]

123. I see you are back Just Asking Questions. No substance. Sorry, I dont play that game.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/JAQing_off

[1StrongBlackMan]

127. Then just ignore me ...

if you care not to answer, or address why we take circumstances into account for the founders; but not for this President.

See ... it really is that simple.

[NuclearDem]

58. Not many things you and I and agree on.

But +1000 to that.

[Number23]

80. You get a Gold Star for that

Well done, sir.

And I won't even mention how so many that do nothing but fawn over the Founding Fathers and presidents with absolutely abysmal records on civil rights/protecting minorities are some of the president's biggest detractors. No, I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Yeah.

The Founding Fathers did great things and awful things, just like every other person on the planet. But it's the WORSHIPING of those guys by people that do absolutely nothing but shit on this president that just makes my teeth itch. There is something going on there and I do believe that you have hit on it perfectly.

[Cali_Democrat]

82. Thanks for the gold star!

[mstinamotorcity2]

137. Any comment about the Founding

Fathers will bring out the constitutional cry babies.

[JI7]

13. that poster has dealt with racism their entire life

as the poster above said why didn't you just respond to them in that thread instead of trying to use it for some larger agenda ?

oh, i guess you want some recs from a certain crowd.

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. Another quote from your so called dealing with racism

Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3173564

Holy crap...... i should just shut up
my anus hurts.

[JI7]

27. the poster was wrong there and called out on it

doesn't change the fact of what they face in this country. not just them but others .

[tkmorris]

47. I don't give a fuck WHAT they face...

I care about how they handle it. That poster is failing in epic fashion.

[ProSense]

50. Speaking of "failing in epic fashion"

...this thread is pathetic. I love how people can do the shit they abhor, and then call out other people for doing the same.

No, it's not enough to call out the poster directly. It has to be done in grand self-righteous fashion so the public ridicule and stoning can commence.

The irony is that the people doing the public ridiculing and stoning are the first to climb on the same self-righteous perch to lecture others about grave dancing when it comes to trolls.

Forever...self-righteous.

[tkmorris]

60. *shrug* aint my thread

[NYC_SKP]

132. I agree and I'm very disappointed in this.

I like the poster well enough, but this business of starting a new thread to call out a reply in another is bullshit and makes DU suck.

[Aerows]

141. Considering that everyone wants to shut down all discussion of this very subject

I'd say that it is absolutely necessary to discuss it.

YMMV.

[NYC_SKP]

143. Discussing whether or not terms and phrases in their context is acceptable or not is one thing.

Creating a new thread to vilify and condemn a fellow community member is stalking, bullying, and unacceptable behavior, to me.

It just makes me very sad to see.

The discussion of the words is an important one, we agree, but it could be done without dragging down the other member.

[Aerows]

145. When the person who said it

acknowledges they said it, revels in saying it and doubles down on it, what is a good DUer to do, NYC_SKP? Agree with them? Then they say something worse and disparage this community and taunt members to report them to Skinner?

What would you have a good DUer do?

[Bluenorthwest]

48. The poster was rounded and repeatedly called out, but merely doubled down with insults

and random arch insinuations against those who did call her out. That poster claimed those bigoted right wing words, that racist bullshit and she claimed it again and again. Credit to those who called it out, but the poster herself has no credit coming.

[progressoid]

72. WTF?

"cyst on the anus of the world"

[Number23]

81. Are you this agitated with the groups and individuals here that do nothing but shit on Africa

the Middle East, the Caribbean, India and other parts of the world?? Help me understand why one nasty comment about Latin America is considered so much goddamned worse than what gets said here REGULARLY and with NO condemnation about other parts of the world?

[Bluenorthwest]

104. I note the lack of links to even one similar post on DU.

Never seen anyone here say anything like that about an entire region, not about a government or policy but about a geographic region and home location for a people.
To defend such a blatantly bigoted statement requires great specificity and care, not shouting that you see worse everyday. Nothing but a cyst on the anus of the world. Go and show us the equal to that. You claim it's regular and goes without comment. Prove your secret sauce is not just ketchup.

[Number23]

110. It's so funny that the one person that has been caught more times lying on this web site

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than anyone else is that one that jumps up demanding links to shit that EVERYONE here has seen. Only a few people have the decency to talk about it and an even smaller group have consistently called it out but it has been done frequently and regularly enough that the only people that have missed it have CHOSEN to do so. But it is so very fascinating that the one person that has sunk to the slimiest depths in order to slam this president including trying to MISQUOTE THE BIBLE (!!) is the ONE person on DU that has never seen any of this and needs links.

Go waste someone else's time. You fool no one. Absolutely NO ONE. And as for "sauce," whatever "sauce" you're pushing has been called out as the bullshit that it is so many times I am literally astounded that you not only have the unmitigated gall to still post here, but even have the nerve to try to call somebody out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=327867&mesg_id=334300

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8744335&mesg_id=8745863

BAM! http://betterment.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8716865&mesg_id=8717746

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7030643&mesg_id=7031589

Called out - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8736199&mesg_id=8736259

[Union Scribe]

119. What's wrong with any of those links?

Anyway weren't you asked to provide links showing a "group" here regularly "shitting on Africa" and other parts of the world?

edit: btw that was a really nasty post directed at Blue. You should apologize.

[Bluenorthwest]

138. Clearly that person is upset at my criticism of the religious arguments made

against my family having equal rights to his own. Some people are very offended when a gay people speaks freely and openly like an equal human being, because they have deep seated feelings that gay people are not their equals and that might be it.
The personal venom and utterly off topic links are so extremely dishonest that it is just laughable. 'Oh, that terrible homosexual objected to bigotry against his family by a politician who was so strongly influenced by those who objected to his bigotry that he made history by becoming the first President of the United States to speak up for equal rights.
Clearly the poster was unable to back up his crazed claims in defense of the 'Latin America is nothing but a cyst on the anus' poster and simply vomited forth a bunch of crap onto the board. It is a hard thing to defend, that 'cyst on the anus' comment. But they try.

[Number23]

154. PUT ME ON IGNORE

Or did you alert on that post like you have on others of mine to no avail? PUT ME ON IGNORE. This is EASILY the 10th time I've asked this of you and not only do you not do it, but you still feel the need to respond to me despite my REPEATED requests of you to leave me alone.

And I would also comment that it's astounding that you would be another person who has conveniently not seen any of the nastiness directed at India, Africa, the Middle East or any other part of the world here but that would imply that I am surprised by this type of blissfully clueless behavior coming from you or that I give a rat's ass about anything that you have to say or ever have.

[Bluenorthwest]

134. I have never lied on DU. You can not prove that because I never have.

You get all personal like that to defend a horrifically bigoted statement. What a shameful thing. Calling people a cyst on the anus of the world is bad, but 'nothing but a cyst' negates their very humanity.
You have no leg to stand on and nothing but empty accusations and personal insults.

[Aerows]

135. What I don't understand

Is why defend such a bigoted statement, AT ALL?

Can someone explain this one to me?

[Bluenorthwest]

140. The post to me contained nothing but false, malicoius crap about me.

The person was unable to even manage to support his own statement, much less construct any sort of actual defense for the 'cyst on the anus' post. Just lashed out with malicious crap.
It is a difficult task to defend such bigotry, but you'd think if one went to so much effort they could come up with something other than 'you advocated for equal rights in strong terms'.

[Aerows]

142. I'm as lost as you are, Bluenorthwest

"Make bigoted statement, get defended on DU" isn't anything I thought I'd be seeing here.

And how dare you advocate for equal rights in strong terms. You simply cannot do that!

[Number23]

155. "It is a difficult task to defend such bigotry" So sayeth the master

Well, if anyone would know... And the 1-2 cretins that pretend to not see or understand what you did are easily countered by the 10 or so in those threads I posted that saw right through you. Who saw that you were NOT defending yourself against bigotry but PERPETUATING it. You are the master of distortions and will use any slimy, deceitful way to do it including misquoting the president, misquoting his voting record, or misquoting the freaking BIBLE if that's what it takes. THAT'S what those threads showed and that was just a very small example.

Even in this thread you and your little friend are still shoveling. Pretending that I am defending Tarheel Dem's comment when on the day it was posted, I very plainly refuted it which the thread the comment was posted in shows. Tarheel's comment was unfair, unwise and disturbing, but at least honesty is not a foreign concept to her.

[Number23]

153. Like I said, you don't have a leg to stand on and never have. You've been called out on your

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lies and bullshit so many times it's not even funny which you are even trying to do now pretending that I am "defending" that person's statement when I did no such thing, not in this thread nor in the one that the comment was initially posted in where I CLEARLY refuted her comment.

This kind of crap is exactly why I have never had any interest in anything you have to say.

[rhett o rick]

25. You are trying to justify "that posters" behavior? There are lots of people that

have dealt with racism their entire life, in fact I think that most if not all in the black community have dealt with racism their entire lives. That's no excuse. "That poster" seems to think that if you dare speak your mind and you dont agree with their world view, then you're a malcontent or worse.

[quinnox]

26. That is no excuse to insult DU or duers.

So has every person of color or a minority on DU, they have dealt with racism all their life.

[JI7]

30. you attack DUers all the time on here with attacks on women and those who support Obama

[quinnox]

32. Nice try, but I have always said good things about DU

I have never said negative things about DU as a whole, or insulted it by calling it a dumping ground, like this poster did.

I can't believe you are defending these comments. Do you agree with them?

[JI7]

35. yes you do when you bring up HOF BOG in threads

[quinnox]

37. Those are particular small groups on DU, DU as a whole is a totally different story

The reason I have always praised DU as a whole, is because it is full of progressives. Yes, I have differences with those two groups, but they are both small minorities in terms of their numbers on DU.

Anyway, I understand if you don't want to answer my question, in that you might agree with that posters insulting comments about DU, but to me, saying "racism", is a pretty lame excuse for insulting DU like that poster did.

[JI7]

38. there are multiple people in those groups , really ? racism is a lame excuse ?

[quinnox]

40. Yes, saying anyone exposed to racism is a good enough excuse to attack DU

would mean DU would be over-run with attack posts on DU itself. Because many duers have experienced racism in their lives.

I don't think that is a good excuse for those posters comments at all, its a very flimsy one.

[JI7]

41. and you saying it's ok to attack groups of people because they may be small in number is pathetic

you are still attacking entire groups and often you just bring it up out of nowhere.

[quinnox]

44. I understand you trying to make it all about me, but I will make my position clear re: du smears

I totally disagree with this posters comments that "DU is a dumping ground for malcontents".

This is very offensive to DU. If you are OK with it, you have a right to that opinion.

But I think its insulting to DU and all of duers. And it is a very routine comment by this particular poster, as well. I know, because I have a elephants memory, and I remember these things. For example, I know you are a member of the BOG, which also explains much.

[JI7]

45. oh, so you can decide who it's ok to attack on DU ? just like you did here

[quinnox]

46. Nope, I am offering my opinion

just like everyone else.

[BainsBane]

77. I think I see the problem

The post tarheel dem was applauding was this:

I wish we could get that many to march against failure to renew UI and the slashing of SNAP.
They can't muster up enough fucks for the poor, but when the details of their porn habits are threatened... boy will they come out in droves.

It questioned the porn. Worse yet, it suggested food for the poor might be more important than the sacred porn. Clearly, that was an abomination. They can't possibly be real progressives.

[Aerows]

144. "It questioned the porn"

I think I just lost my mind. Of COURSE that's why people disagree. It all comes back to porn.

Holy hell, I probably have lost it, because to see a statement like that, made in all seriousness? Lunacy. I'm sorry, I just can't describe it any other way.

Did you REALLY just type "It questioned the porn"?

[BainsBane]

146. Did you read the post Tarheel dem was responding to?

Yes, I really just wrote it questioned the porn. I think we have learned that is sacrosanct.

[Aerows]

148. Did you miss

"Latin America is a cyst on the world's asshole" and how that could be offensive?

I kind of think that porn needs to take a backseat to the discussion on THAT particular observation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

164. I have heard similar said about the state of florida and didn't hear such an uproar...

[Titonwan]

68. It's like after awhile they think they're priests, here. Or something.

And you will be whipped back in line of conventional thinking... waht? OMFG, I thought I hit the DU tab!

[VanillaRhapsody]

163. I don't feel insulted by it...but I find it very interesting that you feel so insulted by it.

too close to home perhaps?

[BainsBane]

70. Not many

They are not many people of color on this site. Many have left because of how they've been treated here.

[LondonReign2]

96. People on DU have been treated badly because of the color of their skin?

Do you have some good examples of that? I'm genuinely curious as I would presume anyone on DU treating others badly based on the color of their skin would have been tombstoned quite quickly.

[BainsBane]

98. Read some posts in some of the ethnic groups

Like the African American group or the Muslim group. No need to take my word for it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

118. Well ...

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it depends how one defines "treated badly" ... No one has dropped the N-word (though many have argued that they should be allowed to) and no one has directly made racial comments; but when Black folks, consistently have their racial lived experiences, discounted in favor of someone's vicariously informed opinion, that is being treated badly.

When a white person feel perfectly entitled to tell a Black person what is, and what is not, racist or discrimination ... and the thread fills up with others supporting the white person's "right to hold an opinion"; that is being treated badly. When a Black person is constantly told "all you have to do (change) is ..." to deal with white folks' treatment of the; but very little is said about the white folks' treatment, that is being treated badly.

When Black folks come to a website called DEMOCRATICunderground and watch a DEMOCRATIC, but Black, President get dumped on for doing exactly what every President has done before him; when we watch his every accomplishment and effort denigrated or marginalized ... because "it's not about his race, but his policies", but the Senators that vote in support of those policies and efforts, go uncommented on AND when a Black person gets attacked for pointing out the double-standard ... that's being treated badly.

[BainsBane]

147. Oh, they've dropped it

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I've alerted on it. Most recently about two weeks ago. Thankfully it was hidden.

As you know, I see feminists (call us "radical feminists" if you will) treated in similar ways, which is why I think we end up agreeing on so many of these matters.

[Aerows]

150. I'm as radical and feminist as they come.

I stand by the assertion that calling Latin America a cyst on the ass of the world is racist.

I wonder why in the hell you are defending such a statement?

[BainsBane]

152. I'm not

I would call it ethnocentric and bigoted rather than racist (Latin Americans are not a race) much like the comments on India and Muslims that are often repeated around here. It is no different. I saw you yourself decided someone's comment about a salesperson must be because he was a Muslim. I found that offensive myself, yet I didn't start a thread about you.

I saw no comment about Latin America. I saw a comment calling Duers malcontents in response to a post noting how many more people turned out for a protest on internet privacy as opposed to SNAP, which the prior poster attributed to a fixation on porn. You remember something from a year or more ago and accuse me of defending a statement I did not see because I have said I do not like ugly witch hunts. I make no statements about ethnic groups or nations based on preconceptions. Your allegation is underhanded.

Everyone knows this has nothing to do with Latin America. If it did, the witch hunt would have been raised when she first made that statement. This is because some DUers feel insulted and think that one of the worst thing that could possibly be written is a negative comment about this website. Well guess what? It isn't. It doesn't compare to a lot of offense stuff that is commonplace around here. What is clear is that malcontents comment made a mark. Perhaps you should reflect on why it bothers you so much rather than lashing out at Tarheel Dem.

Lastly, I continue to find in bad form that people talk about someone rather than to them. This is my definition of making DU suck.

[1StrongBlackMan]

151. No doubt ...

Marginalization is the word of the day.

[Number23]

156. Well said, ISBM

go uncommented on AND when a Black person gets attacked for pointing out the double-standard ... that's being treated badly.

TarheelDem is being skewered in this thread for a comment she made LAST YEAR. A comment I thought was really unconscionable and disappointing and I told her that, but according to some, she must now wear a scarlet "B" on her shirt for having said something "BAD" that a small crew of people here will never forgive her for. The fact that she is an ardent Obama supporter I'm sure has absolutely NOTHING to do with that.

Never mind all of the other really nasty stuff that gets said here about other parts of the world here. A search on 'the American South' or 'Arizona' here will turn up a slew of really nasty negative things being said. A poster said something really nasty about India last month and 2/3 of the posts in his GBCW thread were begging him not to leave. This place has gone so far 'round the bend it is simply insane and you're right, those who dare to point out the double standard are the ones getting attacked by these lunatics.

[1StrongBlackMan]

157. Yeah ...

It's just a coincidence that she is a strong supporter of President Obama.

But on a different note ...

Some how, I ended up in your Journal and that lead me here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022802736

All I can say is well done!

[Aerows]

160. OMG, a person was skewered for making a racist comment last year.

Would it still be acceptable if it was made a few years ago, or made last week? You seem to think it would be. I disagree.

[1StrongBlackMan]

161. Maybe you posted to the wrong response ...

I have not commented (publically) one way or the other on the last year's post.

See ... I do not publically disagree with allies, as it only strengthens my opposition ... that is a lesson more "liberals" need to learn.

[Number23]

162. Hey, yeah I remember that thread. That was the last time I actually tried to communicate with

these people. And as you can see, it was AS USUAL an utter and complete exercise in time-wasting and blood pressure rising. I can't tell what's worse, the lack of knowledge of history or the smug superiority which appears to be BASED on that utter lack of historical knowledge.

They don't even have bad ideas. They have NO ideas beyond tearing down this present administration. And it's a damn shame that these folks have squatted in this web site so long that they have run everyone else away.

[LondonReign2]

166. You know, criticizing his policies isn't racism

"When Black folks come to a website called DEMOCRATICunderground and watch a DEMOCRATIC, but Black, President get dumped on for doing exactly what every President has done before him; when we watch his every accomplishment and effort denigrated or marginalized ... because "it's not about his race, but his policies", "

It IS about his policies (at least here; I agree wholeheartedly that many in GOP are simply racists and nothing a Black President could do would ever please them. I also think nothing a Democratic President could ever do would ever please them). Chalking up every criticism OF HIS POLICIES to racism is th easy way out but that doesn't make it true.

Criticizing every policy based on the color of his skin is as ridiculous as supporting every policy based on the color of his skin.

[1StrongBlackMan]

167. I think you cut off my post a bit too early ...

Here is what I wrote:

When Black folks come to a website called DEMOCRATICunderground and watch a DEMOCRATIC, but Black, President get dumped on for doing exactly what every President has done before him; when we watch his every accomplishment and effort denigrated or marginalized ... because "it's not about his race, but his policies", but the Senators that vote in support of those policies and efforts, go uncommented on AND when a Black person gets attacked for pointing out the double-standard ... that's being treated badly.{emphasis added}

Leaving that bolded part out, kind of changes the point of my post, No?

[LondonReign2]

169. I agree

...if you are attacked for simply pointing out a double standard, that's inappropriate. And Senators should be criticized for the same sort of policy issues.

It was the implication that all criticism of the President can be chalked up to racism that I was reacting to.

[1StrongBlackMan]

170. That's not what I said ...

It was the implication that all criticism of the President can be chalked up to racism that I was reacting to.

But, unfortunately, that is all people (want to) hear/argue against.

[Bobbie Jo]

53. Exactly.

The business of insulting DU'ers is clearly reserved for the almighty malcontents among us.

[dionysus]

43. +1000

[cui bono]

62. What does racism have to do with this?

You're saying that someone who has dealt with racism their entire life gets a pass to be rude?

That makes no sense what so ever and is absolutely not a valid excuse for leveling insults.

[LondonReign2]

95. Dealing with racism one's entire life

means that you should reflexively support everything the President does simply because he is also black? Emotionally I guess I can see how someone could take that stance, but logically it seems just as fucked up as a reflexively oppossing everything the President does simply because he is black. Can't we judge the President and his actions outside of his race and party identification?

[Autumn]

15. That makes me fucking proud that I am

a malcontent.

[ProSense]

18. I like this post

much better: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024449907

It looks much better in granite.

[Cali_Democrat]

78. LOL

Obvious right wing troll gets 36 recs....most from the usual suspects.

[WillyT]

29. Yep... Talk About "The Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations..."

[SaveOurDemocracy]

34. That poster lives on my ignore.

Just can't be bothered reading chronically abusive, insulting posts.

[Electric Monk]

39. I sort of miss the old Meta Forum, too. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

42. ***

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

51. You should just eat your peas and let those who are "better informed" decide what you should think

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

[jsr]

121. That's a reasonable sensible adult thing to do

[L0oniX]

52. That's emoprog leftbagger malcontent to you bud!

[zeemike]

54. I did not know I was one, but I guess I am.

So now I am a proud member of the malcontent based community.

[Phlem]

55. K&R!

-p

[Bluenorthwest]

56. “Like most others, I was a seeker, a mover, a malcontent, and at times a stupid hell-raiser."

Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

[Titonwan]

73. Hell yeah.

Count me on on the malcontent, big time. That tarheel fellow is as thick as a brick.

[adirondacker]

75. Post Rec! nt

[cui bono]

57. I don't know... to me is seems like a sandbox of smilies for apologists.

[Skittles]

59. you want I should kick some malcontented DU ass, Ichingcarpenter?

I COULD START WITH YOU IF YOU LIKE; yes INDEED

[davidpdx]

115. ROFL

Owch, that hurt!

[niyad]

61. but. . .the poster says that like it's a BAD thing!!

[blkmusclmachine]

63. CHANGE!

When does the good stuff start???

[jsr]

84. .

[MisterP]

86. I should hope so

brightsidedness only gets you Juche and chocolate rations

[CFLDem]

87. If you're not malcontented with our nation's status quo

you're part of the problem.

[Autumn]

89. ^^^^^ That's it ^^^^^

[jsr]

90. The only people content with the status quo are the 1% and their helpers

[jwirr]

97. Me to.

[Puzzledtraveller]

99. I come here for the laughs

[bvar22]

103. I certainly hope so.

Those who make unquestioning excuses for Status Quo are part of the problem!

[font size=3]CENTRISM.... because it is so damned EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who DO![/font]

[L0oniX]

128. +1

CENTRISM.... because it is so damned EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who DO!

Amen! (no worship implied)

[bvar22]

129. Go in Peace my son, do good acts,

and do not worship before the Golden Calf.

[yuiyoshida]

109. malcontents?

PRESENT!!!

[Egalitarian Thug]

111. Reading through this thread, it appears that the "malcontents" are much happier

people than the "contented".

Just an observation...

[Ellipsis]

113. Darrr!

[Fumesucker]

117. The contented are just angry that malcontents exist

They can't reach the apex, the apogee, the very pinnacle of nirvana when they have such a bunch of whiny, ungrateful malcontents to disturb their blissful contemplation of the precious.

[QC]

158. Bingo. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

122. Well anybody "contented" with the way things are........

pretty much is showing what they believe.

[Aerows]

124. Speaking up

is the first sign of being a malcontent.

[liberal_at_heart]

125. proud malcontent checking in.

[Rex]

130. There are a few here that WISH DU was a ground for malcontents

and they TRY every day to make it so. I have no idea why they post here, they obviously don't like DU. THAT ONE gets away with typing just about anything you can think of. SO boring and predictable.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

131. What's there to complain about?

I don't leave my suburban McMansion neighborhood often so I don't know what things are like in Poorsville, but I just got 0.9 percent financing on my new 7 Series BMW and my stock portfolio is doing great. Thank you Obama.

[PowerToThePeople]

159. It is easy to be a malcontent when most are oppressed. n/t

[marmar]

168. Wow, just wow.

Although I must say I'm not surprised, considering from whom it came.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

171. That's Showbiz