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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:19 PM Jan 2014

YAY! We Win. Reid Deals Body Blow to Obama on Trade

WASHINGTON—Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid broke publicly with the White House Wednesday on trade policy, instantly imperiling two major international trade deals and punching a hole in one piece of the economic agenda the president outlined in his State of the Union address a day earlier.

Mr. Reid told reporters he opposed legislation aimed at smoothing the passage of free-trade agreements, a vital component to negotiating any deal, and pointedly said supporters should back down.

"I'm against fast track," Mr. Reid (D., Nev.) said, using the shorthand term for legislation that prevents overseas trade agreements from being amended during the congressional approval process. "I think everyone would be well-advised just not to push this right now."

The move spells trouble for two sets of complicated talks, one with the European Union and the other with countries in the Asia-Pacific region. Both deals likely would have required such a "fast track" approval to clear the Congress. The U.S.'s negotiating partners wouldn't likely commit to a final agreement that could be unpopular back home without assurances that it couldn't be modified by U.S. lawmakers.

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YAY! We Win. Reid Deals Body Blow to Obama on Trade (Original Post) cali Jan 2014 OP
*applauds* Spoken like a real man of the people Harry Reid. ZM90 Jan 2014 #1
I pray two times a day that people wake up and assert their integrity. I cannot tell roguevalley Jan 2014 #52
Give em h*ll Harry..... a kennedy Jan 2014 #2
Thanks, Harry. jsr Jan 2014 #3
TPP is bad for Democratic candidates. pscot Jan 2014 #4
Interesting! DirkGently Jan 2014 #5
But everyone gets to keep all the political donations in the run up to this moment, right? Coyotl Jan 2014 #6
Good. k&r n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #7
This makes my day Oilwellian Jan 2014 #8
Phew! Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #9
I hope he isnt just kicking the can down the road past the elections. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #10
I wouldn't rule out that possibility. arcane1 Jan 2014 #16
Me too. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #22
Me too..... Plucketeer Jan 2014 #23
well, he's kicking the *fight* over it down the road past the elections, magical thyme Jan 2014 #29
He did say: "...just not to push this right now." KoKo Jan 2014 #44
Yeah, after my first reading of this, I was singing "Oh Happy Day"! lark Jan 2014 #48
of course, this kind of shit isn't dead dead, but this is damn good news. cali Jan 2014 #49
I agree it's good news but disappointed over what little we get for "good news". nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #84
That's MY bet. nt clarice Jan 2014 #46
He is no stranger to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #83
Cali - truth2power Jan 2014 #11
Trade promotion authority (TPA) = “fast track” jsr Jan 2014 #14
Obama "needs to work the phone and spend time on Capitol Hill every week until it’s done" jsr Jan 2014 #12
What do they think he is, a dictator?? Marr Jan 2014 #15
DUzy! ^^^ MsLeopard Jan 2014 #18
Hope, Change bobduca Jan 2014 #25
He doesn't have a magic wand!!! QC Jan 2014 #32
someone wailed the wand meme to me just yesterday Skittles Jan 2014 #90
That's a classic! QC Jan 2014 #94
Bwahahahaha! Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #79
Well, he did find his magic pen AND phone... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2014 #24
And we can keep right on winning... Zoonart Jan 2014 #13
^^^This^^^^ riqster Jan 2014 #31
Excellent point dragonlady Jan 2014 #40
Right on the money Zoonart Jan 2014 #47
Well there's a bit of "washing my hands of this...let them do it" KoKo Jan 2014 #50
That's right.. Democracy is a VERB! n/t ReRe Jan 2014 #92
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #17
Applauds as well... Harry Reid refused to capitulate on the debt ceiling... nenagh Jan 2014 #19
K & R grantcart Jan 2014 #20
A breath of sanity in my crazy day. Thank you Harry. Thanks for posting this. WCLinolVir Jan 2014 #21
Good. knr nt livingwagenow Jan 2014 #26
Between this, the shutdown, and the nuclear option, Reid may be our MVP. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #27
Who knew Reid had it in him? ProSense Jan 2014 #28
I love agreeing with you:) grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #36
I did. Reid is one of the smartest men in government... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #80
I like Reid. Yeah, he's not perfect, but who is? I actually think he's a pretty effective cali Jan 2014 #30
Especially given some of the characters he's had to deal with. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #57
Woohoo! Will call with praise:) grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #33
Thank You Harry! G_j Jan 2014 #34
Nice Job Senator Reid Liberalynn Jan 2014 #35
Ed Schultz at MSNBC Whoopdedoo Jan 2014 #37
BURY THEM WITH CONTACTS FROM US! THe war with Iran freaks are backing off too. :D roguevalley Jan 2014 #53
Good Job Harry blu3hotsauc3 Jan 2014 #38
Reid is right. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #39
you should post this as an op Armstead Jan 2014 #43
Thanks. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author JDPriestly Jan 2014 #70
WELL SAID nil desperandum Jan 2014 #45
Thanks. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #72
Please consider posting this as an OP. Very well said. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #63
Thanks. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #71
I am against the TPP. SamKnause Jan 2014 #41
Good, now if he could just show some of that newfound backbone Bettie Jan 2014 #42
While this is good news, bvar22 Jan 2014 #51
I don't know his boxing style druidity33 Jan 2014 #73
Dodging, weaving, and head fakes... bvar22 Jan 2014 #77
Reid has a backbone. Martin Eden Jan 2014 #54
More like "Whew, we got a temporary repreive." Armstead Jan 2014 #55
Wonders never cease my response when they are unexpected. gordianot Jan 2014 #56
We need some of the ideas expressed by the President fadedrose Jan 2014 #58
++++ You worked hard for this cali fadedrose Jan 2014 #59
thank you for the kind words. I'm so glad that this doesn't appear to be unbeatable. cali Jan 2014 #64
+1 n/t markpkessinger Jan 2014 #65
GOOD!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #60
Good. ananda Jan 2014 #61
fuck the TPP frwrfpos Jan 2014 #62
Don't let us down Harry. This one's important! Phlem Jan 2014 #66
Great News For Now colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #67
Just as Obama had planned all along. morningfog Jan 2014 #68
We should all contact Reid's office Union Scribe Jan 2014 #74
K & R democrank Jan 2014 #75
Lets stop TPP mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #76
Very good news. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #78
Perhaps the most interesting post in this thread. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #81
possibly. Obama may have realized that he was holding a losing hand cali Jan 2014 #85
I agree with you that he wanted it. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #95
Me too fadedrose Jan 2014 #89
K&R! Now, let's abandon the free trade deals altogether. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #82
The last sentence in this post says it all shawn703 Jan 2014 #86
So far, it's all talk. But let's hope for some real ACTION to defeat Obama's TPP push. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #87
Hurray and thanks for keeping us all up on this issue Generic Other Jan 2014 #88
Finally, Reid uses that powder. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #91
Thanks, Harry! Keep on saying NO to this travesty, please. BAD for the country. Sparky 1 Jan 2014 #93

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
52. I pray two times a day that people wake up and assert their integrity. I cannot tell
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jan 2014

you how good I feel, Cali. THANK YOU!

This makes me feel like you kids will have a chance to have dignity in your life. All I think about is you kids.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
6. But everyone gets to keep all the political donations in the run up to this moment, right?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jan 2014

Thank you corporations, now do away.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
16. I wouldn't rule out that possibility.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:50 PM
Jan 2014

After all, he said "well-advised just not to push this right now", not "ever."

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
29. well, he's kicking the *fight* over it down the road past the elections,
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:23 PM
Jan 2014

So this is fast track delayed, not fast track denied.

I never heard from Senator Susan Collins, but Senator Angus King replied to my email a couple weeks ago that he's against fast-tracking.

And even after we win the fight over fast tracking, we'll still have the nuclear war over TPP and its European counterpart.

King had concerns about its impact on one relatively small business in Maine. He failed to address my concerns about sovereignty versus the rule of corporations.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
44. He did say: "...just not to push this right now."
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jan 2014

So...if we lose Senate in 2014...we don't know what will happen...if we keep Senate in 2014...we still won't know. But, his warning with the caveat, does make one wonder if it's politics over principle...and the thing will rear it's ugly head at a later time.

Still...it's good news for now!

"I'm against fast track," Mr. Reid (D., Nev.) said, using the shorthand term for legislation that prevents overseas trade agreements from being amended during the congressional approval process. "I think everyone would be well-advised just not to push this right now."

lark

(23,105 posts)
48. Yeah, after my first reading of this, I was singing "Oh Happy Day"!
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jan 2014

Then I re-read and my enthusiasm toned down, damn. At least it's a "no-go" for now. Hopefully it will die and wither on the vine.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
11. Cali -
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jan 2014

But, but... According to the usual suspects, Obama wasn't really talking about "fast-track" in his SOTU speech, because he didn't use those exact words.

I suppose you'll be getting an apology from those algo...er, posters. Yes?

jsr

(7,712 posts)
12. Obama "needs to work the phone and spend time on Capitol Hill every week until it’s done"
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jan 2014
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/196853-reid-rejects-obamas-plea-for-trade-power

Business groups and Republicans, however, were disappointed with the comments.

“Awful timing,” Bill Reinsch, president of the National Foreign Trade Council, said of Reid’s comments. “What it means is the fast track bill is not on a fast track.”

In a blog post Tuesday, John Murphy, vice president of international affairs for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, wrote that Obama needs to call lawmakers as well as lobby them in person.

“He needs to work the phone and spend time on Capitol Hill every week until it’s done. It’s that important,” Murphy wrote.


 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
15. What do they think he is, a dictator??
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jan 2014

Don't they know the President is absolutely helpless on things like this? I was assured of that fact during the Single Payer debacle.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
24. Well, he did find his magic pen AND phone...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jan 2014

so I'm a bit nervous.

"I've got a pen and I’ve got a phone -- and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/14/3532113/obama-to-congress-were-not-waiting.html#storylink=cpy


Zoonart

(11,869 posts)
13. And we can keep right on winning...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:40 PM
Jan 2014

If you will, cast your memory back to those halcyon days when we first backed Barack Obama's candidacy for President. Again and again, he said to us, "YOU have to MAKE ME DO IT". (FDR's mantra)

When we apply the pressure to stop stupid and destructive initiatives we are MAKING HIM DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

Keep up the good work citizens.



riqster

(13,986 posts)
31. ^^^This^^^^
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jan 2014

Our responsibilities do not begin and end in the voting booth. We need to advocate for our causes on an ongoing basis.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
40. Excellent point
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:59 PM
Jan 2014

I've sometimes wondered if President Obama only seems to support some programs and hopes that popular pressure will defeat them, thus giving citizens the experience of actually controlling their democracy, an experience that sadly was rare in the previous administration.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
50. Well there's a bit of "washing my hands of this...let them do it"
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:38 PM - Edit history (1)

in what you say. But, I'm thankful for this small break in the push for "Fast Track" for TPP...but, it's not dead yet and we've gotta keep on truckin' so this isn't "out of sight...out of mind," in the next three years.

Those that desperately want it can always get it rammed through by tacking it on to some important legislation at any time in the coming years. And if we get a Republican Senate in 2014 all bets are off...although there are Dem Senators who will still be in favor so nothing is a sure thing with this if we just "Cheer" and forget about it. Penny Pritzger is still Secretary of Commerce and our President owes her. So...he's sort of trapped with that.

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
19. Applauds as well... Harry Reid refused to capitulate on the debt ceiling...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:57 PM
Jan 2014

and now standing firm against fast tracking...

Interesting the last sentence, cali... thanks again for posting this...

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. I like Reid. Yeah, he's not perfect, but who is? I actually think he's a pretty effective
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:23 PM
Jan 2014

and shrewd ML.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
57. Especially given some of the characters he's had to deal with.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jan 2014

LIEberman, DINO Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Manchin--not to mention McConnell.

Not to mention the admin's less-than-hardball negotiating tactics.

Whoopdedoo

(60 posts)
37. Ed Schultz at MSNBC
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jan 2014

Has been hammering away every day about the disaster which is the TPP. Also on his radio show on a daily basis. I am sure he has inspired many to call into their reps to not go with the 'fast track' idea.
Thanks Harry.

blu3hotsauc3

(1 post)
38. Good Job Harry
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jan 2014

Nice to see someone standing up for what truly helps the people, regardless of party lines.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
39. Reid is right.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jan 2014

We need to deal with some big problems on the national scale before we hand our sovereignty and self-determination on economic issues over to some trade agreement's council on something-or-other. That is just one more factor to add to the problems with the worsening of our balance of trade since we entered into NAFTA and other trade agreements: displacement of peoples, especially indigenous peoples and environmental damage and low wages, and, and, and.

One major problem that we need to deal with internally is our disparity in wealth. With each trade agreement, that disparity grows. The answer is not in importing more and cheaper products so that those who have very little money can still have the illusion of having enough stuff even though the stuff falls apart as soon as they buy it. Being able to shop at the dollar stores is not equal to being able to get a good job and contribute to society while earning a good living for your family. We can import cheap goods, but rents and utilities and other costs go up all the time.

We have to do something about the disparity in wealth in our country. Obama suggested raising wages. That's great, but if an American paying $850 a month for rent has to compete with people overseas who can survive on $2 per hour paying almost no rent and living without running water or decent heat or education, we have just created a bigger problem than we already have. We cannot afford to maintain our American style of living for most of us while importing goods we buy at the dollar store. And the goods we buy at the dollar stores and Walmart-type stores are what are dragging our wages down and closing down our industry.

So, let's try to get a handle on the serious problems we are having and that we will bequeath to future generations -- and then talk about free trade.

The onus for persuading Americans to back additional trade bills is on those who want the bills. The negotiations have to be between Americans who lose out every time we enter into a new trade agreement and the corporations and 1%ers who stand to gain from the trade agreements. I don't think that those Americans who lose out because of trade agreements were represented at all in the TPP negotiations. That is wrong.

When Obama and other presidents appoint commissions on issues or problems, they always appoint business representatives and scholars, maybe a trade union representative but they never appoint a person who is earning minimum wage in spite of having a college degree. They never appoint single moms or the guy who drives a truck. Yet it is these people who aren't apparently important enough to get to sit on a commission or at least have someone with their interests on a commission whose voices are ignored, whose needs are ignored, whose interests are relegated to no man's land. That is the problem with commissions and trade talks and all those serious folks we see on TV.

No to the TPP. And let's get our country into shape before we go trading away our ability to govwern ourselves with our neighbors.

Response to Armstead (Reply #43)

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
45. WELL SAID
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jan 2014

Great points, the loss of manufacturing for the middle class has been a killer in wealth creation at the middle and lower middle income brackets. In addition to creating a disparity of increasing proportion between the wealthy and the rest of the nation it reduces national security.

The more dependent we are on 3rd world nations or despotic, totalitarian regimes for our basic resources the more embroiled we become in their politics and the politics of those regions. That is a national security nightmare, to have your basic communication and transportation manufacturing dependent on nations where workers don't always have proper sanitation or housing. Those areas are ripe for internal struggles and external pressures.

I am not always a fan of contrasting how things are done elsewhere(as in Europe) as a means to re-imagining how we need to adjust in the US, but it is never a bad idea to look at what is being done successfully or at least what is being that might have a long term positive elsewhere. Germany has done a decent job of maintaining a strong manufacturing base, there are some lessons there that might prove helpful here. As you point out there are not many involved in the trade process in the states whose interests lie with increased domestic manufacturing of core goods. That means the policy is being directed or designed by people who stand to profit by moving jobs away from the US.

Not hard to see why we have some work ahead of us to resolve this.

Thank you for making some great points and making me think a little today.

SamKnause

(13,107 posts)
41. I am against the TPP.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jan 2014

I am against fast tracking the TPP.

The TPP is bad economic policy for the US.

The TPP is bad for the environment.

The TPP is bad for countries we trade with.

Just say no to the TPP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
42. Good, now if he could just show some of that newfound backbone
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jan 2014

With the Republicans in the Senate too.

This is a great thing though. TPP is awful.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
73. I don't know his boxing style
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:53 PM
Jan 2014

when he was young, but i'm guessing he was good at "dodging and weaving".



fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
58. We need some of the ideas expressed by the President
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jan 2014

Like protection of copyrights, etc., AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, taxing companies who are building plants overseas and giving American companies tax benefits like they never had before. We could then afford to sell our products cheaper if the manufactures could make them cheaper, and health care and environment issues could be afforded with the tax enhancements.

These appeal to me strongly, although I don't like the idea of Fast-Track nohow. Seems duplicitous or something. I sent emails asking the President to stop the TPP, but also approved of some of his plans...

One lady running for president may not care for Reid's mood....

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
67. Great News For Now
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014

Obama, just like Clinton before him, needs to act like democrats, not republicans.

It has been so disingenuous for Obama to be spouting off about income inequality while trying to ram this corporate coup down our throats. He talks a good game but too often acts as Mr. Republican Lite - and not all that lite with things like the TPP.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
68. Just as Obama had planned all along.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jan 2014

Lol, jus trying to get it in before te others seriously suggest it. Deep chess.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
74. We should all contact Reid's office
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jan 2014

to let him know he has our support in this. I can't even imagine the pressure he's going to be under, considering the amount of money/power the pushers of the TPP wield.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
78. Very good news.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jan 2014

But please don't think Obama wasn't already aware of exactly where Reid stands on this issue. There is more to this than meets the eye. In no way did Reid just come out and surprise the administration. I smell politics.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
85. possibly. Obama may have realized that he was holding a losing hand
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

but please don't think for a nanosecond that he didn't want this piece of crap. there's a shitload of evidence that he most certainly did.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
95. I agree with you that he wanted it.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 08:14 AM
Jan 2014

How bad I am not sure. But want it he did. I also don't have the first clue how all of this is going to play out. I do feel very confident that Obama knew exactly where Reid stood before he gave the SOTU. Pretty confident he also knew Reid would have to say something publicly about it. The administration may be having second thoughts and Reid could be their way out. Reid and Obama might be trying to ensure republican backing by initially playing Reid as the opposition. Obama might want it more than anything and Reid just doesn't like the idea of fast tracking(Face Value).

There are many possibilities. Just saying that Obama was definitely aware of Reids stance before the SOTU.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
89. Me too
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jan 2014

I wonder if Reid was needed to keep Obama out of hot water because the party is so against it - most of us - and the hierarchy of the party is all for it. Harry came thru for the President. He always does.

Either way, the base is happy, if not the DLC people...

I bet they got a lot of complaints from this board, thanks to cali and a few others.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
82. K&R! Now, let's abandon the free trade deals altogether.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jan 2014

How about we restore manufacturing in this country.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
86. The last sentence in this post says it all
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jan 2014

"The U.S.'s negotiating partners wouldn't likely commit to a final agreement that could be unpopular back home without assurances that it couldn't be modified by U.S. lawmakers."

Not popular here, not popular with our negotiating partners, the people doing the negotiating obviously aren't interested in what's best for their people.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
88. Hurray and thanks for keeping us all up on this issue
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jan 2014

TPP. Just another poorly conceived idea meant to enrich only a few.

Sparky 1

(400 posts)
93. Thanks, Harry! Keep on saying NO to this travesty, please. BAD for the country.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:46 AM
Jan 2014

The last thing we need is another NAFTA-CAFTA-SHAFTA trade policy. Thanks for posting this, Cali!

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