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FreeState

(10,572 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:51 AM Jan 2014

CBS anchor Itay Hod has essentially outed Republican Congressman Aaron Schock

https://m.facebook.com/iamitayhod/posts/10153719602440624

people always say, no one has the right to out anyone. that coming out is a private matter. i disagree. as you can imagine, not a very popular opinion. but bear with me.

here's a hypothetical: what if you know a certain GOP congressman, let's just say from Illinois, is gay... and you know this because one of your friends, a journalist for a reputable network, told you in no uncertain terms that he caught that GOP congressman and his male roommate in the shower... together. now they could have been good friends just trying to conserve water. but there's more. what if this congressman has also been caught by tmz cameras trolling gay bars. now what if you know that this very same guy, the darling of the gop, has also voted against repeal of don’t ask don’t tell, opposed the repeal of doma, is against gay marriage; and for the federal marriage amendment, which would add language to the us constitution banning gay marriage and would likely strike down every gay rights law and ordinance in the country?

Are we still not allowed to out him?

let me ask another question... doesn't the media have an OBLIGATION to expose his hypocrisy? if he had done something so hypocritical and he wasn't gay, wouldn't we demand journalists do their job? but they can't... because we won't let them. you're not allowed to out ANYONE, we tell them.
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CBS anchor Itay Hod has essentially outed Republican Congressman Aaron Schock (Original Post) FreeState Jan 2014 OP
who doesn't know he is gay ? JI7 Jan 2014 #1
never heard of him lol nt msongs Jan 2014 #2
A link to his Wikipedia BIO, below Tx4obama Jan 2014 #3
him JI7 Jan 2014 #4
that outfit says it all ZRT2209 Jan 2014 #21
I was going to say his a w e s o m e abs..... a kennedy Jan 2014 #46
I did - but only when he was elected and about all I heard was he was young, cute and clean cut karynnj Jan 2014 #49
Still wrong yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #27
"They don't have the pull to stop progress" is why they shouldn't be outed eridani Jan 2014 #42
Never heard of him... Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #5
“I think Paul's in great shape,” Schock told TMZ. JI7 Jan 2014 #6
LMAO!!! Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #7
Nice stereotype about how gay men talk. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #13
Given the article, it was a play on the situation. Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #15
Yes. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #16
Good you saw the sarcasm. Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #19
He's a nice guy so no one will go to the media to hurt him? Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #28
"really nice guys" don't vote to deny basic human rights. nt sufrommich Jan 2014 #29
or to cut food stamps questionseverything Jan 2014 #34
he probably doesn't talk politics with the guys he meets and there are many who aren't that JI7 Jan 2014 #38
It's no different from "outing" a Congressperson who's cheating on their spouse while El_Johns Jan 2014 #10
I agree. I am normally against "outing." Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #11
In general, politicians' sex lives are of no interest to me; the only exception is this kind of El_Johns Jan 2014 #12
This isn't about his sex life, unlike cheating spouses. Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #14
it's not the same thing because it ignores how gays face discrimination in society JI7 Jan 2014 #17
I see it as the same. Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #18
I don't see that it matters; the Congressman is perpetuating that discrimination & indeed, making El_Johns Jan 2014 #20
Outing isn't the coolest thing in the world... DemocraticWing Jan 2014 #8
A hypocrite and a coward. nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #9
I am against the outing anyone quakerboy Jan 2014 #22
Should the great persecutor JEdgar Hoover have been outed? Zen Democrat Jan 2014 #23
He's a Repuke. Who cares, hopefully it will damage him with his teabagger base Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #24
Of course it's ok! So-called journalists have always been gossip-mongers, always will be. reformist2 Jan 2014 #25
The rules are different for public figures. Laelth Jan 2014 #26
+1 - exactly were I'm at too n/t FreeState Jan 2014 #36
Don't out him because he is gay... sendero Jan 2014 #30
And we have a winner! nt justiceischeap Jan 2014 #31
People defend the outing because of the hypocrisy but thesquanderer Jan 2014 #32
Trust me, if he's a gay man in DC, people will find out MrScorpio Jan 2014 #33
They all know, the point of the post was that no one will talk FreeState Jan 2014 #37
In a case like this, I think of outing as an act of self-defense. QC Jan 2014 #35
Out Aaron Schock's Hypocrisy. nm Cha Jan 2014 #39
hahah, he shut down his instagram account which was mostly pics of him showing off JI7 Jan 2014 #40
He deserves to be outed because ... Jenny_92808 Jan 2014 #41
+100000 YoungDemCA Jan 2014 #43
k & r thanks for posting..... nt Stuart G Jan 2014 #44
Wonkette's take on the story: QC Jan 2014 #45
His sexuality is none of my business Dash87 Jan 2014 #47
yet your sexuality is his business cbdo2007 Jan 2014 #48
It always has been a republican trait to point the finger, B Calm Jan 2014 #50
If he voted against us on so many issues then I won't be upset if he is outed. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #51
If the media has an obligation to expose hypocrisy, it could do a lot more than just out gay people. Brickbat Jan 2014 #52

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
3. A link to his Wikipedia BIO, below
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:03 AM
Jan 2014

-snip-

Aaron Jon Schock (born May 28, 1981) is the United States Representative for Illinois's 18th congressional district, serving since 2009. He is a member of the Republican Party. The district is based in Peoria and includes part of Springfield. At the age of 32, Schock is both the second youngest currently serving U.S. representative, after Patrick Murphy of Florida, and the first member of the U.S. Congress born in the 1980s. Previously, Schock served two terms in the Illinois House of Representatives, and was its youngest member.

-snip-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Schock



a kennedy

(29,658 posts)
46. I was going to say his a w e s o m e abs.....
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:31 AM
Jan 2014

I hear a lot of gays have perfectly toned bodies.....

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
49. I did - but only when he was elected and about all I heard was he was young, cute and clean cut
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:46 AM
Jan 2014

- All American - and Republican.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. Still wrong
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:00 AM
Jan 2014

It is still wrong to out anybody. However, I know a few gay friends who are still against gay marriage and other gay rights. Kinda strange but they are out there. Thankfully they don't have the pull to stop progress.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
42. "They don't have the pull to stop progress" is why they shouldn't be outed
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:26 AM
Jan 2014

Those who do have the pull to stop progress, like elected representatives, fucking well SHOULD be outed.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
5. Never heard of him...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:11 AM
Jan 2014


Hoo-boy! Do you think Ryan is jealous? LOL! Though he may not have "announced" he is gay, I am sure it is a well-known 'secret' and likely will be used to further divide gays or use to attack us. As far as "outing" him, well, given his positions, I am all in favor. To me, it is no different than "outing" someone who is all about "family values" but exhibits none.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
6. “I think Paul's in great shape,” Schock told TMZ.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:28 AM
Jan 2014

from what i hear he is really nice guy so you wont really get anyone who will go to the media just to try to hurt him. the media isn't going to report on it unless there is some "scandal" . this is why he freely goes to gay bars in dc and chicago without worrying about being exposed.

he does look a lot better than paul ryan though. something about paul ryan seems out of proportion. plus ryan looks like a douchebag.


<Tampa, Fla., while he was attending the Republican National Convention, TMZ descended upon Schock as he was walking through the gay neighborhood of the city, complete with rainbow flags in the background as well as stores selling skimpy men’s underwear and what some have said is a local gay bathhouse.

“I think Paul's in great shape,” Schock told TMZ. “I think a little bit of leaner attire to help accentuate that physique he works so hard to, you know, maintain.”>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/03/aaron-schock-gay-rumors_n_1851827.html

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
7. LMAO!!!
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:54 AM
Jan 2014
“I think a little bit of leaner attire to help accentuate that physique he works so hard to, you know, maintain.”

Why didn't he just say, "He looks fab-U-lous!"?

Baitball Blogger

(46,705 posts)
28. He's a nice guy so no one will go to the media to hurt him?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:03 AM
Jan 2014

What an unrealistic expectation. No one can nice-away hypocrisy.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
34. or to cut food stamps
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jan 2014

by 40 billion

personally i do not care HOW we get rid of him....just that he is out of congress

JI7

(89,249 posts)
38. he probably doesn't talk politics with the guys he meets and there are many who aren't that
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:04 AM
Jan 2014

politically aware. so they just see a nice guy who talks about things like working out .

those who are politically aware will probably not want to talk to him in the first place . there was a republican gay guy once who complained about guys who refused to see him when they found out he was a republican.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
10. It's no different from "outing" a Congressperson who's cheating on their spouse while
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:06 AM
Jan 2014

making speeches about the sanctity of marriage, or "outing" one who talks a good game about the environment but owns a large block of Exxon shares.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
11. I agree. I am normally against "outing."
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:18 AM
Jan 2014

But, there are instances, this being one, which call for it. It does, however, create a number of issues, which I am sure will erupt if this becomes a bigger issue.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
12. In general, politicians' sex lives are of no interest to me; the only exception is this kind of
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:33 AM
Jan 2014

hypocrisy, which boils down to: they themselves make it an issue with their own hypocrisy, as in the case of the politician who tries to demagogue family values (& explicitly or implicitly attack others) while not practicing such values themselves.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
14. This isn't about his sex life, unlike cheating spouses.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:42 AM
Jan 2014

Being gay is more than sex, and if he sees it that way, it makes him an even bigger idiot. The only reason I support an outing like this is because he votes against his very existence, and that, IMO, is the height of hypocrisy.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
17. it's not the same thing because it ignores how gays face discrimination in society
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:47 AM
Jan 2014

it doesn't totally excuse the hypocrisy of gay members voting against gay rights. but i don't think it is equal to candidates who cheat preaching about morals.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
18. I see it as the same.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:49 AM
Jan 2014

It is also similar to women who have had abortions in the past, but charge forward with a "pro-life" stance. In the case of cheating spouses, that only comes into play with "family values" folks, not just those who cheat.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
20. I don't see that it matters; the Congressman is perpetuating that discrimination & indeed, making
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:57 AM
Jan 2014

it worse, while existing in a privileged space himself.

It's like a black legislator voting for stop & frisk.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
8. Outing isn't the coolest thing in the world...
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 03:55 AM
Jan 2014

But it's more understandable when the person in questions is actively harming the LGBT community.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
22. I am against the outing anyone
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 05:21 AM
Jan 2014

I am for the constant monitoring and exposing of politicians and members of the law enforcement community. If I had my way every minute would be taped and ready for review at need. There is no room for secrets in these jobs, with lives and even countries in their hands.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
23. Should the great persecutor JEdgar Hoover have been outed?
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jan 2014

Word is that he protected the Mafia for decades because they were blackmailing him with pictures. I think that's why it's so important for our gay and lesbian political leaders to be open. The self-loathers or the self-entitled who can enjoy rights for themselves and deny it to others and persecute them should be outed on the front page of the NYTimes. It's about their ethics.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
25. Of course it's ok! So-called journalists have always been gossip-mongers, always will be.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jan 2014

That's what we pay them for!

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
26. The rules are different for public figures.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:58 AM
Jan 2014

I think it's unethical to out private citizens, but public figures like Aaron Schock (R - Hypocrisy, IL) are fair game.

-Laelth

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
32. People defend the outing because of the hypocrisy but
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:07 PM
Jan 2014

hypocrisy is not illegal. Elected officials have no obligation to avoid hypocrisy.

I'm not sure that hypocrisy should mean forfeiting one's privacy, or who should be entitled to make that decision.

OTOH, if you go into politics, you're a fool if you don't think the opposition is going to use everything they can against you, whether it's "proper" or not. And exposing hypocrisy wins political points.

So... I'm not sure I endorse the outing, but he shouldn't be surprised by it.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
37. They all know, the point of the post was that no one will talk
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jan 2014

about it - he's being given a free pass by the media because its "unethical" to out someone, even if everyone knows. I say out the bastard, because that is what he is, a sick twisted closet case who is doing major damage to LGBT persons among others.

QC

(26,371 posts)
35. In a case like this, I think of outing as an act of self-defense.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jan 2014

While I never would support outing a private individual, but when someone like Schock is actively harming the community from the safety of the closet, outing is a way to stop that harm.

As someone said above, few would have any problem with outing someone like Roy Cohn or J. Edgar Hoover. I see this as a similar case.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
40. hahah, he shut down his instagram account which was mostly pics of him showing off
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:58 AM
Jan 2014

his workouts and fashion and guys telling him how cute he was.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
41. He deserves to be outed because ...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:59 AM
Jan 2014

...he has been using his power to cause great harm to all of us. Just look at what he has done -

- Schock voted against adding sexual orientation to the already-existing hate crimes law.
- Schock voted against the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.
- Schock opposes the repeal of DOMA.
- Schock is against gay marriage; and
- Schock is for the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would add language to the US Constitution banning gay marriage and likely striking down every gay rights law and ordinance in the country.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
50. It always has been a republican trait to point the finger,
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jan 2014

with the hopes nobody will find out that they are guilty of doing the same things.

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