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Radiation? Seals, Sea Lions, Polar Bears, Bald Eagles, Sea Stars, Turtles, King & Sockeye Salmon, Herring, Anchovies and Sardines In The Western Part of North America All Suffering Mysterious Diseases At the Same Time
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/radiation-seals-sea-lions-polar-bears-bald-eagles-sea-stars-turtles-king-salmon-sockeye-salmon-herring-anchovies-sardines-west-coast-north-americaseals-sea-lions-polar-bears.html
Is Fukushima Decimating Wildlife in the Western Portion of North America?
We’ve previous documented that seals, sea lions, polar bears, sea stars, turtles, sockeye salmon, herring, anchovies and sardines on the West Coast of North America are all suffering mysterious diseases … which are killing many.
We’ve asked whether this is related to massive releases of radiation from Fukushima. Update at link.
EneNews reports:
SeattleTimes, Dec. 29, 2013: Bald eagles are dying in Utah — 20 in the past few weeks alone — and nobody can figure out why. Many suffered from seizures, head tremors and paralysis. Many of the eagles were brought to the mammoth Wildlife Rehabilitation Center of Northern Utah Within 48 hours, most were dead. State wildlife specialists are baffled. For weeks, officials have sent birds for necropsies. At first, the agency’s disease scientists guessed the illness could be encephalitis, which is caused by the West Nile virus, but later ruled out that possibility. Officials suggest the die-off is possibly connected to the deaths of thousands of eared grebes that began in Utah in November. Officials still don’t know why the shore birds became sick. Officials at the Wildlife Rehabilitation Center have their own theories. Some point to radiation from Japan after the 2011 meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. A call from Idaho shed new light: A wildlife official said bald eagles there were also getting sick, suggesting the birds were arriving in Utah already in bad health.
Buz Marthaler, Wildlife Rehabilitation Center of Northern Utah co-founder: “It’s just hard to have your national bird in your arms, going through seizures in a way it can’t control — when you can see it’s pain but don’t know what’s happening to it. As a human being, you just have problems with that. And when you lose one, it just grabs your heart. In an average year, we might get one or two, but we’ve received nine so far, and five of those have died. The other four are still in our care. We aren’t ruling out anything.”
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In a second article, EneNews.com notes:
Juneau Empire, Dec. 29, 2013: the king salmon — has fallen from its throne. Alaska has seen unprecedented declines in recent years scientists like Joe Orsi and Jim Murphy, both fisheries research biologists with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, are digging deeper into the cause of the startling downward trend. When asked about the potential impact Fukushima may be having on king salmon stocks in the Gulf of Alaska and elsewhere in the state, Orsi would not comment. “I’ve been told to refer you to the (Environmental Protection Agency),” he said, “Because I’m not an expert on the topic.” Calls and emails to the EPA were not returned in time and digging on the federal agency’s site revealed no current information on radiation from the Fukushima disaster. The last posted monitoring results occurred in June of 2011.
EneNews continues:
Bellingham Herald, Dec. 5, 2013: “ we see from test fisheries that the Chinook numbers returning to the Fraser River system were at a record low,” explained Ken Balcomb, executive director and principal investigator for The Center for Research and a science advisor to the whale watch association. alarming decrease of an important identified food resource
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Archaic
(273 posts)www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/us/west-nile-virus-is-behind-bald-eagle-deaths-in-utah.html
bananas
(27,509 posts)Raimondi put it this way: "Suppose someone's walking down the street and they get stabbed in the arm and develop an infection and die. So the infection killed them, but the real question is this: Who stabbed them in the first place?"
Something has changed in the ecosystem.
The Four Laws of Ecology
- Everything Is Connected to Everything Else. There is one ecosphere for all living organisms and what affects one, affects all.
- Everything Must Go Somewhere. There is no "waste" in nature and there is no "away" to which things can be thrown.
- Nature Knows Best. Humankind has fashioned technology to improve upon nature, but such change in a natural system is, says Commoner, "likely to be detrimental to that system"
- There Is No Such Thing as a Free Lunch. Exploitation of nature will inevitably involve the conversion of resources from useful to useless forms.
The starfish are dying, and no one knows why
Elizabeth Weise, USATODAY 11:42 a.m. EST December 31, 2013
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Researchers believe the sea stars' actual disintegration and death is caused by bacterial infection, but they have no idea what's suddenly making them susceptible.
Raimondi put it this way: "Suppose someone's walking down the street and they get stabbed in the arm and develop an infection and die. So the infection killed them, but the real question is this: Who stabbed them in the first place?"
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Lead Researcher: Fukushima pollution may be causing sea star epidemic on West Coast — Sea urchins, sea cucumbers also affected — “Something’s making them susceptible”… “It’s unlike anything we’ve seen”… “Populations go locally extinct overnight, literally”
Published: December 30th, 2013 at 5:12 pm ET
By ENENews
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Huffington Post, Dec. 30, 2013: Starfish Wasting Disease Outbreak Could Be Due To Radiation
News 1130 AM Vancouver, Dec. 30, 2013: Researchers say nuclear pollution from the 2011 earthquake in Japan that damaged the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant could be partially to blame for a disease wiping out starfish along the West Coast. Dr. Peter Raimondi of the University of Santa Cruz says something is making starfish susceptible to whats believed to be a bacteria [...] He says what’s making sea stars unable to fight off the bacteria could be anything from warm water to toxins–but Raimondi also says scientists can’t rule out nuclear pollution, especially in light of the tsunami that followed the 2011 earthquake. It washed large amounts of debris to our shores–and Raimondi says nuclear pollution could have come with that. “One of the byproducts is obviously nuclear radiation discharge.” ...
Pete Raimondi, a marine ecologist at the University of California-Santa Cruz one of the lead researchers tracking the outbreak: “It’s widespread, it’s very virulent and it’s unlike anything we’ve seen in the past ... Suppose someone’s walking down the street and they get stabbed in the arm and develop an infection and die. So the infection killed them, but the real question is this: Who stabbed them in the first place?”
USA Today, Dec. 28, 2013: ... Whatever is causing it can spread with astonishing speed — a healthy group of starfish can die in just 24 hours. ... smaller numbers of sea urchins and sea cucumbers reported falling to it. ... in some areas [sea stars have] been wiped out. ... There have been previous, small scale sea star die-offs. While they looked similar, Mike Murray, director of veterinary services at the Monterey Bay Aquarium in Monterey, Calif said, “there are only certain ways starfish can look when they die. A melting starfish is going to look like a melting starfish.” ... The fact that the ailment is so widespread is what’s most troubling, said Benjamin Miner, a professor of marine biology at Western Washington University in Bellingham, Wash. ... Whatever is killing the sea stars is highly lethal. “We’ve had populations go locally extinct overnight. Literally.” ...
Apparently some disagree with the lead researcher. See: Three Reasons Why Fukushima Radiation Has Nothing to Do with Starfish Wasting Syndrome
The same ‘science’ website recently published a much-criticized report about Fukushima that made claims like, “It’s not even dangerous to swim off the coast of Fukushima” and from eating nuclear waste in fish “you’ll get the same amount of radiation by eating 9 bananas” — Read it here: True facts about Ocean Radiation and the Fukushima Disaster
See also: Experts: Fukushima can't be excluded as factor in sea stars turning to goo along West Coast; It hasn't been ruled out -- They're "particularly proficient" at absorbing radioisotopes; 1,000 times more plutonium than fish (AUDIO)
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)The lead researcher did not, in fact, say that Fukushima pollution may be causing this.
The cause could be a toxins, a virus, bacteria, manmade chemicals, ocean acidification, wastewater discharge or warming oceans. "We're not ruling anything out," Raimondi said.
And, of course, if it were caused by radiation from Fukushima then the first proof would be that sea stars on the other side of the Pacific would be worse off... yet there's no sign of the disease there.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Starfish Wasting Disease outbreak could be due to radiation
Scientist says radiation from nuclear plant damaged by 2011 earthquake can’t be ruled out
Sara Norman December 30, 2013 3:37 am
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – Researchers say nuclear pollution from the 2011 earthquake in Japan that damaged the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant could be partially to blame for a disease wiping out starfish along the West Coast.
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He says what’s making sea stars unable to fight off the bacteria could be anything from warm water to toxins–but Raimondi also says scientists can’t rule out nuclear pollution, especially in light of the tsunami that followed the 2011 earthquake.
It washed large amounts of debris to our shores–and Raimondi says nuclear pollution could have come with that.
“One of the byproducts is obviously nuclear radiation discharge. The second thing is debris, tons of debris, which has shown up especially on the North West Coast,” he adds.
Radiation or not, he says good work is being done to figure out what’s decimating the starfish population, and researchers should have a more definite idea of what’s going on in the next month to six weeks. Part of that is tracking the outbreak, and that’s where he says you can help.
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Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)
spin
(17,493 posts)would reveal this as it might lead to a panic. Still it's such an important story that it would be difficult to cover up.
The bald eagle deaths have just been attributed to West Nile virus.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/31/22125743-soaring-deaths-of-bald-eagles-in-utah-attributed-to-west-nile-virus
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Those must be some bad ass mosquitoes in SLC? Hey, it's winter! Or where the Eagles flew in from; Alaska. I wonder if many Eagles from Alaska have shown the same signs?
Then of course Hanford nuclear reservation in Oregon has also been reported to be losing some of their rads, and that sure has been covered up.
spin
(17,493 posts)Of course the media often concentrates on celebrity scandals. Doing so probably helps their ratings.
waddirum
(979 posts)... but Oregonians who use the Columbia River are definitely impacted by leaky tanks at Hanford.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...independent (reliable) sourcing on this so-called Eagle virus epidemic, rather than believing anything these bastards say anymore. They lie through omission and commission when it comes to nuclear energy. And they aren't above worse than lies when they deem it necessary.
- Because that, and bombs are all this country's got left in the tank......
K&R
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I haven't heard otherwise.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)"Officials believe that the birds contracted the virus by eating infected waterfowl, called eared grebes, that died in the Great Salt Lake."
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)New virus more contagious, spreads more quickly than most
There's a relatively new virus in the U.S., and it's getting a lot of notice from researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
According to the CDC, norovirus causes your stomach and intestines to become inflamed, giving you stomach pain, nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting. This can, in turn, lead to dehydration and, possibly, the need for hospitalization. In fact, each year, noroviruses cause about 70,000 hospitalizations and 800 deaths, mostly in young children and the elderly, according to Dr. Aron Hall, an epidemiologist at the CDC specializing in norovirus.
A new strain of norovirus is called GII.4 Sydney norovirus; it was identified in March 2012 in Australia. <more>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024256983
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Codeine
(25,586 posts)as long as we're talking about shit that has nothing what-the-fuck-ever to do with radiation poisoning, Fukushima-related or otherwise.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)But mine is blamed on eating white flour.
Seriously, though - there are a lot of weird and new diseases. Some may be caused by toxins in the environment and others by our crappy food.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)The radiation would have diluted in the ocean between Japan and the West Coast.
There's been bacteria killing star fish and other animals in the West Coast.
bananas
(27,509 posts)The Four Laws of Ecology
- Everything Is Connected to Everything Else. There is one ecosphere for all living organisms and what affects one, affects all.
- Everything Must Go Somewhere. There is no "waste" in nature and there is no "away" to which things can be thrown.
- Nature Knows Best. Humankind has fashioned technology to improve upon nature, but such change in a natural system is, says Commoner, "likely to be detrimental to that system"
- There Is No Such Thing as a Free Lunch. Exploitation of nature will inevitably involve the conversion of resources from useful to useless forms.
Claiming that the radiation was diluted and thrown away in the ocean violates Law #2.
Claiming that these aren't connected violates Law #1.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Do you know how much radiation it'll take from Japan to affect the West Coast? Tons and tons more than what's being released by Fukushima.
Besides, the OP has links to a woo site. It totally throws away any credibility of the OP.
bananas
(27,509 posts)The OP links to a news aggregator, almost all of its sources are mainstream media.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Why people are quick to attack a story because of the OP source, whether media or Wikipedia, when either it's from a newswire feed or supported by references in Wiki's case.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)There's no way man is causing global warming.
Right? Right?
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)WowSeriously
(343 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)i suspect the radioactive waste is weakening the animals immune systems making them more susceptible to disease and bacteria
are they still thinking the ice wall is the solution to containing the waste?
any new news on moving the rods?
zappaman
(20,606 posts) bananas
(27,509 posts)There's no "away" for it to go.
It's entered the food chain.
edit to add: a lot of this shit is isotopes which aren't radioactive but are still highly toxic,
I include them with the radioactive shit because they're byproducts of that shit.
bananas
(27,509 posts)The Four Laws of Ecology
- Everything Is Connected to Everything Else. There is one ecosphere for all living organisms and what affects one, affects all.
- Everything Must Go Somewhere. There is no "waste" in nature and there is no "away" to which things can be thrown.
- Nature Knows Best. Humankind has fashioned technology to improve upon nature, but such change in a natural system is, says Commoner, "likely to be detrimental to that system"
- There Is No Such Thing as a Free Lunch. Exploitation of nature will inevitably involve the conversion of resources from useful to useless forms.
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)A good article about it here: http://crisisforums.org/discussion/9247/unprecedented-decline-in-king-salmon-in-ocean-off-alaska/p1
There are plenty of reasons why listed, without resorting to anything mysterious or unknown. Same goes for the West Nile bird deaths.
agent46
(1,262 posts)Eventually we'll be proved right about Fukushima but no one will remember how they marginalized the message and the messengers.
Logical
(22,457 posts)
NutmegYankee
(16,200 posts)It's gonna be a long wait...
agent46
(1,262 posts)Don't worry your brain about it. There's no point in threads like this. They serve no purpose.
To you, it will continue to seem as if there's no crisis. Since there's so little reliable information getting out to the public and the propaganda manages so well to render every major crisis a matter of mere speculation and debate, there will be no effective response.
The non-debate will eventually move on to other issues and the boiling frog will simply boil a bit hotter. In the next few years, the cancers and birth defects that will spike in Japan and on the US West Coast will be considered anomalous and untraceable to any known causes - proving nothing. There will be no accountability in the nuclear industry or with its collusive government tools anywhere. Just the way you like it.
Logical
(22,457 posts)agent46
(1,262 posts)Don't you get it?
It's all about perception management. There is no conspiracy, only points of view.
You are absolutely correct - until you aren't. And then it'll be too late.
You aren't wrong. You aren't devious. You aren't evil. Your opinions just haven't caught up with how bad the bullshit is. You still believe in the media fiction.
What if you're wrong?
Just saying.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Been taking a lot of flak from people who are uncomfortable with the idea that we humans could be killing the planet. But all one has to do is look around and see. I don't blame them for trying to ignore the signs, it is rather disturbing.
All the air pollution, the water pollution, and all the nuclear pollution is beginning to add up.
Hekate
(90,719 posts)This knowledge PREDATES Fukushima by years. But do people listen? In addition, Nuclear radiation is not the sole pollutant in the Pacific Ocean -- also well known.
Bring on the Geiger counters -- but look for multiple causes, not just radiation.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)Hekate
(90,719 posts)The collapse of the fisheries ain't no joke. We are fishing out the seas -- whole species are about to disappear. Fukushima will be just the cherry on top of that catastrophe.
WowSeriously
(343 posts)
Blanks
(4,835 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)We will see the effects in Japan first.
Simply, they eat more seafood than America.
To quote a famous movie character,: I'm getting too old for this shit!
It is a shame to put it lightly, that the powers to be know they will be dead before the impacts of this and other disasters are felt.
Please note how the GOP/TP frame this as a matter of our children's financial well being rather than their health. Thus, screw the ACA
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)before Fukushima. A lot of people blame the pollack trawlers that discard thousands of King salmon as bycatch.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)it's conspiracist bullshit from a dumbass source.
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)But I guess that won't stop him from spreading bullshit from locked threads.
Heh.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)
Sid
RC
(25,592 posts)I agree with Sid!
Oh well, welcome to 2014. I guess stranger things could be happening over the course of the next year.
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,850 posts)Background radiation is 30 CPM. Near the ocean it’s 150 CPM.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)CPM, just for folks information, means Counts Per Minute, and means that a Geiger counter gets that many hits of radiating electrons per minute.
These are two of the many ways radiation could be entering the ocean: One by radiation coming from currents and the other from air deposition and rainfall that carries radiation from the land into the ocean.
NutmegYankee
(16,200 posts)There are several designs of Geiger counters, some of which are 3 fold more sensitive than others. And between manufacturers there is a lot of variation. What's important is that you have it calibrated against a standard and a dial reading in mrem or mSv placed on it to actually have a useful measurement. In addition, you need to understand the type of radiation and where the radioactive element is.
For instance, in the 1940s a company made glaze for pottery bowls using uranium, producing this wonderful orange color for Fiestaware. I own one. If you hold a Geiger counter to the bowl, it reads tons of counts per minute, usually giving off a radiation dose of 0.9 mrem/hr. However, it's not actually dangerous as uranium is an alpha emitter, and alpha particles cannot get past the dead layers of skin on your body. So you suffer no radiation damage. The only risk is the bowl potentially is about as toxic as a lead bowl if you eat an acidic meal in it. I store it away as an antique curiosity.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)that article links to naturalnews.
Sid
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You are at times a proponent of science and in another moment you seem as anti-science as is possible.
Science is about seeing things happen, and then explaining why those things happen. Then a discussion takes place and verification of the theoretical causes proceeds.
Something's happening here. What it is, ain't exactly clear.
And Sid wants discussion to be censored? WTF!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and have anything to do with naturalnews.
Anyone using naturalnews as a credible source can be summarily dismissed.
Sources matter.
Sid
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Judge not lest yee be judged.
Let he who is always right, and never wrong, cast the first stone.
Sid, you have no right whatsoever to judge sources for anybody but yourself.
Your doing so is as anti-scientific as creationists. But you persist.
You'll note that you have presented not one iota of science in this thread, but several posts wanting to censor discussion.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)IMO, any source that links to naturalnews can be immediately dismissed.
You can BeFree to use and believe whatever source you want.
Sid
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We have your approval to believe what we want? WTF?
Happy New Year, Sid.
I'll say this for you: You do bring new meaning the the word 'dither'.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and I'll comment on them when I think they're full of shit.
You know, there's a reason why the thread using enenews as a source was locked in E&E.
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)From the E & E group.
Guess it still stings, eh?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)If those results can be repeated, then it will start to look a little more like science. But a video is not true just because it's on YouTube.
Science is based on evidence, not claims. And the first and appropriate response to a claim is to replicate it.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts) SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Unquestioning credulity isn't.
Sid
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)But I guess some do.
I have no problem with questioning the reliability of a source, is the sarcastic and dismissive attitude some implement in order to ridicule the Fukushima disaster which I find disgusting.
You think this is the first article that is being ridiculed? Is not, and won't be the last.
We don't know what exactly is happening in Japan, as TEPCO has been proven to lie and alter the data.
This article may very well be speculation. But what prove do you have of the contrary? Do you trust what TEPCO is telling us 100%? It would be foolish if we did that. They lied and covered things up, they will keep doing it in the future.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)That article is laughable and obviously written by someone who doesn't understand how geiger counters are read.
AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,850 posts)But why you think that is funny seems strange to me...
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Coincidence?
longship
(40,416 posts)
Taken from an obvious academic paper, which proves it exists. Therefore, Fukushima caused it. Plus, correlation does means causation. AmIrite? Huh?
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Or ancient aliens, but now I am not so sure. Could be Fukushima radiation.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Into full-blown quackery continues apace.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)How did any of these people pass basic high school science courses?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
caraher
(6,278 posts)All our top policymakers do it...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)and don't mean to downplay the seriousness of this matter at all, but I was curious last night about how the wildlife is faring around Chernobyl and was surprised to find the following: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/nuclear_power/2013/01/wildlife_in_chernobyl_debate_over_mutations_and_populations_of_plants_and.html
<snip>
Chernobyl’s abundant and surprisingly normal-looking wildlife has shaken up how biologists think about the environmental effects of radioactivity. The idea that the world’s biggest radioactive wasteland could become Europe’s largest wildlife sanctuary is completely counterintuitive for anyone raised on nuclear dystopias.
The news isn’t good for all animals. Many species that like human company—swallows, white storks, pigeons—mostly left the region along with the people. Also, small creatures seem to be more vulnerable to the effects of radiation than large ones. That may be why Chernobyl rodents studied in the 1990s had shorter life spans and smaller litters than their counterparts outside the zone. Stag beetles had uneven horns. But it didn’t affect their population numbers.
And because the health of wild animal species is usually judged by their numbers rather than the conditions of individuals, Chernobyl wildlife is considered healthy. According to all the population counts performed by Ukraine and Belarus over the past 27 years, there is enormous animal diversity and abundance. The prevailing scientific view of the exclusion zone has become that it is an unintentional wildlife sanctuary. This conclusion rests on the premise that radiation is less harmful to wildlife populations than we are.
<snip>
I'm not saying I would care to eat any of this venison, and I have no plans to move to Japan any time soon, but perhaps we aren't as doomed as we might think. My husband (who is a natural worrier) has been predicting that we're all going to die from this, but I myself just don't see it happening. And as I keep telling him, it's something about which we can do nothing, so why worry.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)There are severe anomalies in various species of animals. Just because there is wild life, it doesn't mean it is healthy.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)There are plenty of articles/books which state differently. If you would like to think that irradiated animals are healthy, you go ahead and think that. Even migratory birds which are seasonal there, have developed tumors due to the radiation.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I'm just throwing this little bit of research out there. I have no position one way or the other, other than I'm not going to go into panic mode just yet.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I was responding to you from what I know re Chernobyl, which is more than one article.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Chernobyl zone shows decline in biodiversity
The largest wildlife census of its kind conducted in Chernobyl has revealed that mammals are declining in the exclusion zone surrounding the nuclear power plant.
The study aimed to establish the most reliable way to measure the impact on wildlife of contamination in the zone.
It was based on almost four years of counting and studying animals there.
The scientists say that birds provide the best "quantitative measure" of these impacts.
...
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10819027
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Just don't eat the coconuts since they concentrate the Cesium 137.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)If a strong earthquake hits Daichi again, we are in for a potential global disaster.
This is the reality, and we need to be prepared as much as we can.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)don't forget the shelf-stable milk.
Sid
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)More haha. Glad you're having a blast.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)They're coming for us all! 
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)That is the exactly same attitude the climate change deniers used.
Been an environmentalist for 30 years. Big changes have happened and there will be more coming. Hide your head in the sand if you wish. Actually, hiding it all in the sand would make you look wiser than your reply here.
Oh, welcome to DU.
See the Sid nonsense above? Warning... stay away from that stuff. Bwahahaa
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I have been an environmentalist for forty years. I get sick to my stomach thinking about how little people are told about anything any more.
Time Magazine had an article in the summer of 2011, that explained that "we simply do not have enough data on radiation to know what could happen to people exposed by Fukushima." (I am paraphrasing.) A thinking person has to wonder what exactly happened to the reams of data that was gathered after Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, and during all the A bomb tests, etc.
Somehow or other we have gone from a nation where John Hershey's "Hiroshima' was required reading for junior high or high school kids, to publications that assure us, "Hey there it is all A-Okay."
Of course, Pres Obama is in up past his ears to be obliging to the Big Nuclear Industry in this country, with his offer of 58 billion dollars of loans. So from the WH on down, there is a Corporate need to keep Americans stoopid. Now that the NSA is spying on every keyboard stroke of our wrist, it won't be that much of a problem to silence those who are opposed to having our entire globe radiated.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Of so many whales to watch off California recently and nobody has a clue why. Totally clueless. Not a guess?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)This came from Enenews.com report. You can search Enenews for the links etc. using the title listed below or keyword 'mussel'.
In the discussion that follows one contributor was kind enough to supply some numbers from the pdf linked. And someone else chimed in that sae stars eat mussels. So when you look at the numbers, be sure to notice the amount of plutonium found in the mussels.
Copied Enenews.com Report follows now:
Department of Energy: Biological Monitoring at Amchitka Appears to Show Impacts from Fukushima Dai-ichi Incident [...] The U.S. Department of Energy Office Legacy Management (LM) has a long-term stewardship mission to protect human health and the environment from the legacy of underground nuclear testing conducted at Amchitka Island, Alaska, from 1965 to 1971. [...] Atmospheric monitoring in the United States showed elevated cesium activities shortly after the [Fukushima] nuclear incident. LM scientists anticipated that atmospheric transport of cesium would potentially increase the cesium activities in the 2011 biological samples collected near Amchitka. Because cesium-134 has a relatively short half-life of 2 years and indicates leakage from a nuclear reactor, it is a clear indicator of a recent nuclear accident [...] Because the Amchitka 2011 sampling event occurred soon after the Fukushima nuclear accident, the biota impacted by atmospheric precipitation showed the greatest impact (e.g., species that live in freshwater or shallow ocean waters) when compared to marine biota living in deeper water. This is because ocean currents are a slower transport process than wind currents. LM scientists anticipate that the marine biota will show the impacts of Fukushima during the next sampling event, currently scheduled to occur in 2016.
* Plutonium-239 — .039 pCi/kg Dolly Varden
* Plutonium-239 — .186 pCi/kg Goose Egg no shell
* Plutonium-239 — .104 pCi/kg Gull egg
* Plutonium-239 — .298 pCi/kg Chiton
* Plutonium-239 — .093 pCi/kg Dragon Kelp
* Plutonium-239 — .084 pCi/kg Rockweed
* Plutonium-239 — .379 pCi/kg Greeling
* Plutonium-239 — .038 pCi/kg Halibut
* Plutonium-239 — 4.194 pCi/kg Horse Mussel tissue
* Plutonium-239 — .378 pCi/kg Irish Lord
* Plutonium-239 — .036 pCi/kg Octopus
* Plutonium-239 — .05 pCi/kg Pacific Cod
* Plutonium-239 — .279 pCi/kg Rockfish
* Plutonium-239 — .152 pCi/kg Reindeer Lichen
* Plutonium-239 — .195 pCi/kg Sea Urchin
* Plutonium-240 — .039 pCi/kg Dolly Varden
* Plutonium-240 — .106 pCi/kg Goose Egg no shell
* Plutonium-240 — .069 pCi/kg Gull egg
* Plutonium-240 — .149 pCi/kg Chiton
* Plutonium-240 — .037 pCi/kg Dragon Kelp
* Plutonium-240 — .02 pCi/kg Rockweed
* Plutonium-240 — .189 pCi/kg Greeling
* Plutonium-240 — .012 pCi/kg Halibut
* Plutonium-240 — 2.097 pCi/kg Horse Mussel tissue
* Plutonium-240 — .189 pCi/kg Irish Lord
* Plutonium-240 — .021 pCi/kg Octopus
* Plutonium-240 — .015 pCi/kg Pacific Cod
* Plutonium-240 — .139 pCi/kg Rockfish
* Plutonium-240 — .091 pCi/kg Reindeer Lichen
* Plutonium-240 — .117 pCi/kg Sea Urchin
Report found on ENEnews.com. (not a hot link, was on my computer) this was the title. Should help with search.
us-govt-headline-alaska-island-appears-to-show-impacts-from-fukushima-significant-cesium-isotope-signature-detected-video.htm
