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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 04:00 PM Dec 2013

Paul: jobless aid ‘weakens’ U.S.

Paul: jobless aid ‘weakens’ U.S.

By Steve Benen

A couple of weeks ago, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) reemphasized his opposition to extended emergency unemployment benefits in a rather startling way. To continue to provide assistance to these jobless Americans, the Republican senator said, would be to “do a disservice to these workers.” He repeated the line a week later...for Rand Paul, cutting off aid to those struggling to find work during a period of high unemployment is actually doing those folks a favor.

He continues to believe this.

Paul, who’s openly considering a bid for president in 2016, said in a Friday interview with NBC News that extending unemployment benefits past 26 weeks will hurt workers – and that paying for it without raising taxes weakens America.

“Does it make sense for our country to borrow money from China to give it to the unemployed in America? That is weakening us as a country,” Paul told NBC News.

It’s important to understand how misguided his argument really is. For one thing, China owns only a small percentage of U.S. debt. For another, there’s no reason policymakers necessarily have to borrow the funds needed to help the unemployed (though borrowing costs are low and it makes perfect economic sense to do so).

But the notion that helping the unemployed “is weakening us as a country” is plainly ridiculous. Will the nation be stronger on Sunday when 1.3 million Americans lose their purchasing power, costing the country as many as 300,000 jobs in 2014?

Indeed, it’s not unreasonable to consider this a binary choice. Under which scenario is the United States better off: helping these 1.3 million jobless or cutting them off? Paul believes the latter, but every shred of evidence points in the opposite direction.

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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/paul-jobless-aid-weakens-us

Ad targets Republicans over 1.3 million Americans on the brink of losing unemployment aid
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024231250


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Paul: jobless aid ‘weakens’ U.S. (Original Post) ProSense Dec 2013 OP
Millions of newly homeless families dying on the streets = Good for America. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #1
Says the quack doctor. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2013 #2
It's long past time that twit tried to find new employment. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #3
Did it weaken our country to borrow it for tax cuts and wars? nyquil_man Dec 2013 #4
Clue: weakening the citizens G_j Dec 2013 #5
Pretty sure Paul is a Christian Dominionist of the 7 Mountains/New Apostolic Reformation Theology. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #6
Worse... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #28
Rand Paul is either ... dawg Dec 2013 #7
See post #10.. Cha Dec 2013 #12
No. Joblessness weakens the US. Iggo Dec 2013 #8
Dear Rand Paul: Brigid Dec 2013 #9
Exactly, Brigid. Demoiselle Dec 2013 #17
"So that's my advice".. Cha Dec 2013 #10
Maybe the squirrel is squeezing too hard ProSense Dec 2013 #29
I SMH that people on this board actually support that asshole, and believe his bullshit. MADem Dec 2013 #11
Shit happens... I don't want to believe people listen to this shithead either, but I can read. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #31
Are there no workhouses? The Blue Flower Dec 2013 #13
Douche of the day! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #14
Make him explain this "1984" bullshit! I mean really! When will we get us a good "media Snowden" Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #15
I wished somebody asked him how these people are supposed to live without these benefits. Mass Dec 2013 #16
Up yours Rand Paul 47of74 Dec 2013 #18
Asinine Logic grilled onions Dec 2013 #19
I wish you'd stop being so good to me, Cap'n Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #20
Rand is working hard to be promoted to overseer of the chain gang. Freedom, my ass! n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #32
You hit the nail the head Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #36
Screw him and his batshit crazy daddy! chungking34 Dec 2013 #21
STAND WITH RAND! Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #22
I wonder if Madea Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #34
The GOP has become so fucking evil Scalded Nun Dec 2013 #23
I personally agree with Rand a bit on this. cstanleytech Dec 2013 #24
I think what we need is a reasonable redistribution of resources Matariki Dec 2013 #25
You're taking a ProSense Dec 2013 #26
Oh I never said he would support my idea and that in all likelyhood he would oppose it cstanleytech Dec 2013 #27
the man is absolutely full of shit. spanone Dec 2013 #30
Who votes for this moron? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #38
Historically, when the economy took a downturn both Dems and Republicans united to support Samantha Dec 2013 #33
No, Dr (quack). Paul, Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #35
Good one. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #37
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
1. Millions of newly homeless families dying on the streets = Good for America.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 04:10 PM
Dec 2013

Healthcare for all = Bad for America.

Republican logic.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
4. Did it weaken our country to borrow it for tax cuts and wars?
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 04:30 PM
Dec 2013

Gee, I wonder.

Oh, to hell with it... Fuck Rand Paul.

On second thought... Fuck Rand Paul's toupee and the horse's ass it rode in on.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
9. Dear Rand Paul:
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 05:02 PM
Dec 2013

If you abandon people to fend for themselves as best they might, you may not like how they do it. Just sayin'.

Love,
Brigid

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
17. Exactly, Brigid.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 05:46 PM
Dec 2013

Right Wing theories have no connection with reality. I can't help thinking that this kind of philosophy is as aimless and unfocused as a typical "suburban" subdivision. No crossroads, no "main streets," no focus, just endless circles and dead ends. Does that metaphor make sense to anybody else?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. I SMH that people on this board actually support that asshole, and believe his bullshit.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 05:19 PM
Dec 2013

He and his "deddy" are a bunch of nutty, nasty, racist shits.

What weakens us as a country is that shitheel getting any airtime to tout his warped, 'Randian' views.

Fuck Rand Paul.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. Shit happens... I don't want to believe people listen to this shithead either, but I can read. n/t
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 11:54 PM
Dec 2013

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
15. Make him explain this "1984" bullshit! I mean really! When will we get us a good "media Snowden"
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 05:41 PM
Dec 2013

who will show us how we are being brainwashed (so that Bubba can get it too!)

Mass

(27,315 posts)
16. I wished somebody asked him how these people are supposed to live without these benefits.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 05:42 PM
Dec 2013

Also, what is the GOP proposing to find them jobs. Because there is one point where he is right: it is A LOT HARDER to find a job after a certain time. So, what specific actions will be made to help these people (and the same question applies to democrats).

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
19. Asinine Logic
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 06:02 PM
Dec 2013

If you are out of work...don't give unemployment
If you are hungry...don't get food
If you are sick..don't get medical care
The Republican Tri F***A

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
36. You hit the nail the head
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:27 AM
Dec 2013

A right winger like Senator Paul may proclaim liberty or freedom at the top of his lung from a rooftop, but he seems to think it means the freedom to enslave others.

If anyone here sees the Senator, tell him I'll take socialism over that kind of freedom.

 

chungking34

(51 posts)
21. Screw him and his batshit crazy daddy!
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 06:37 PM
Dec 2013

Thank god this arsehole isn't in charge of anything important in this country. He'd turn this country into the next Somalia in no time.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
23. The GOP has become so fucking evil
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 06:53 PM
Dec 2013

Not bad
Not misunderstood
Not misguided
Not good intentions gone bad
Not lazy

They are unapologetically evil, and will bury this country if given the chance.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
24. I personally agree with Rand a bit on this.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 07:06 PM
Dec 2013

But not for the same reason because imo the aid is just a bandaid fix when what we need is a major creation of jobs in this country say by the federal government spending the money thats needed to rebuild things the country needs like roads and bridges as well as schools rather than spending and wasting billions upon billions on "defense".

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
25. I think what we need is a reasonable redistribution of resources
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 07:12 PM
Dec 2013

as in tax rates back to at least what there were when Reagan was President. Because otherwise money accumulates where there is already money and a smaller and smaller number of people control all the wealth.

When I was a kid in the 60's there was a promise that technology would create more leisure - but instead everyone is clamoring after more 'jobs' while families work twice as many hours or more than they did in the 60s.

I say, shorter work weeks, more leisure, better wealth distribution via a more fair tax code.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. You're taking a
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 07:20 PM
Dec 2013

"But not for the same reason because imo the aid is just a bandaid fix when what we need is a major creation of jobs in this country say by the federal government spending the money thats needed to rebuild things the country needs like roads and bridges as well as schools rather than spending and wasting billions upon billions on 'defense'."

...a premise and attributing it to Paul. The above has nothing to do with Paul's thinking. He's not only claiming that benefits "weaken" the U.S. (which is absolute BS), but also projecting his depravity by claiming that cutting aid to those who are jobless is good for them.

He has no interest in economic stimulus or infrastructure spending. Also, people are losing benefits next week.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
27. Oh I never said he would support my idea and that in all likelyhood he would oppose it
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 07:25 PM
Dec 2013

because lets face it...........he really is just that stupid.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
33. Historically, when the economy took a downturn both Dems and Republicans united to support
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:53 AM
Dec 2013

unemployment benefits, food stamps, and other incentives to put money in the hands of those who would spend it. For every dollar invested, a larger return something like $1.76 would come back to the economy. So in the best interests of stimulating the economy these types of programs were not even debated, they were implemented by a bipartisan vote of approval by a majority of Dems and Republicans.

What exactly is Ryan's position on the history of Republicans approving these expenditures to stoke the economy in the past? And what exactly has changed that makes these programs harmful instead of helpful today?

Sam

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
35. No, Dr (quack). Paul,
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:01 AM
Dec 2013

it is these libertarian wild-west fiscal policies your party is trying to push that are weakening the U.S. Thanks for playing, though.

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