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In memoriam to the dead, in opposition to our lethal gun culture.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)but this is no way to remember the 26. This is nothing more than a personal agenda. It's a hell of a way for a GD host to act.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Especially for a host.
Or something.
And such.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Have fun.
malaise
(269,157 posts)K & R for truth
edhopper
(33,615 posts)I guess.
Everyone else thought otherwise.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)many threads on Newtown and I have not seen any locked. They all seem to be respectful. The issue becomes when the OP starts it out about being guns knowing full well that the exception in GD has been closed and GUN threads should be in two locations. One in particular is suited as it is a safe zone and a number are even banned for posting a single post. In the other one there is great open debate.
Back to what this should be about, I do mourn the loss of those 26 souls.
Iggo
(47,565 posts)Got it.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)At Sat Dec 14, 2013, 01:27 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
________________REDACTED_________________
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024177270
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
This is the third thread he has posted. Poster has gone over the deep end. If he really cared about Newtown, he would post about Newtown. He is a GD host pushing the limits and needs to be sent up to skinner. Please hide.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 14, 2013, 01:33 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Give me a break. Every right-wing zealot on this site is using the jury system to pursue their reactionary agendas. Now they want to censor thought crime.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Actually, I'd vote to recommend the OP.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: There is nothing wrong with this post
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
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kcr
(15,320 posts)They're trying to shut the conversation down. They don't want anyone reminded of the violence and deaths. It's an inconvenient fact, they view it as collateral damage, but it hurts their cause to have everyone reminded.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)except I might get another hide if I did.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)although it didn't work in this case, and this alert system abuser is down for 24 hours.
canuckledragger
(1,664 posts)some gun's feelings.
brer cat
(24,605 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)far more so than gun shut victims.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)call his gun Precious.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Delicate Flowers. nt
brer cat
(24,605 posts)K&R
grantcart
(53,061 posts)I suggest "a device with a trigger releasing a spring-loaded hammer hitting a primer, exploding the primer, igniting the propellant driving a projectile through the barrel into a homosapien with fatal results".
That would refer to all such instruments and not unfairly pick on the gun and those that have a fetish for that particular device.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Interesting position for an allegedly progressive message board.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)"lethal *redacted* culture".
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)put it in the correct area and you will not have to redact anything. Mods are just doing their job and I really appreciate that, they deserve a big thank you.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)as you have been told multiple times
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Since clearly, GUNZ had nothing to do with the massacre of those innocent children and teachers.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Or was it just about GUNZ, locked twice then replaced with REDACTED. If this was about Newtown maybe he would think to mention it.
niyad
(113,552 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The sole objection to this broken-record nonsense is that it's blatantly against the forum's SOP. If they're going to bother to have rules, then those rules need to be enforced (even-handedly, I might add). This stuff should be posted in the two groups specifically designated for gun control discussions.
If there are to be exceptions to the SOP, they're Skinner's call, not Warren Stupidity's.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)And it lethal results.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)no one is talking about quieting anything. Just FOLLOW the RULES and post where it belongs, geeeez
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I have to go give a singing lesson to a pig...a somewhat better use of my time.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)You get it.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Inane comments about "gun culture?" Not so much. Take it to the Gungeon or Castle Bansalot.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)the area where no one will see it so certain folk can pretend guns do no harm.
There is an exception for the anniversary of Sandy Hook, per Skinner's comments in ATA.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)just asked the mods to use leeway for relevant posts.
the OPs post have not been relevant to Sandy Hook and are just generic gun threads. I think the mods have been correct.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Clear enough for you?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)care to post on mine?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024176993
I mourn all dead
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Seems a might contradictory to me.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)most of the comments reference the other two threads that were locked. Mine does not specifically mention GUNS per the RULES in GD. It is a solemn thread about mourning all deaths that happened during the year including Sandy Hook and the other thousands that also were killed way too young. It would be just fine if it was only Sandy Hook but I also mourn for the other families.
It seems RULES matter
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Rather than truthfully stating that someone with unfettered access to assault guns slaughtered them. i recall lots of talk about evading the laws of Colorado. I also recall lots of talk about gun owners having no responsibility to abide by any law they didn't like, and the rest of us better watch and not pass assault gun bans or our lives would be at risk from angry gun owners. Evidently the rules that matter most are ones that suppress speech rather than saving lives. Gotcha.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)If this thread was about Newtown and mentioned guns it probably would still be fine. The OP started TWO threads with the title being guns in GD and that is against the rules. I do not agree with gun owners not following the laws and I have said that many times. I just believe those laws make no difference and the would not have in Newtown either.
POST ALL you want wherever you want but it very well may locked as being off topic. Try posting a baseball thread in the football forum. Gun threads now belong the the proper forums per Skinners guidelines. Have a problem take it up with him. POST ALL of the GUN threads you want, nobody is stopping you.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)following the rules and that is why it is still up I assume
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)can turn very quick
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Ironically the OP is also a host of this Forum.
In his absence I would like to accept your appreciation and thank you.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002
If you really believe that a discussion about the events of Sandy Hook doesn't also include a discussion about how we should have better control over the availability of guns in our society I have to observations:
I would like for you to make that comment to the parents of the children who now have to spend the rest of their lives in a living hell because of our 'redact' culture.
If your 'redact' fetish is so overwhelming that you cannot join with the other civilized people around the world about the availability of 'redacted' then how about we have a more general discussion about limiting "a device with a trigger releasing a spring-loaded hammer hitting a primer, exploding the primer, igniting the propellant driving a projectile through the barrel into a homosapien with fatal results".
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just put the threads in the proper forum, two are available. As far as my beliefs, I have stated them many times in the proper forum that I can still post to as I was banned and censored after one post in the "safe" zone.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)in General Discussion then you are the one that doesn't understand "proper forums".
BTW all of your kicks to this thread have kept it at the top of GD and added about 40 Recs to it and insured that it will be on the top of the list for the next several hours.
For that I return the thanks that you gave WS to which I accepted on his behalf.
Very clever of you to pretend that you are against the sentiments of the thread but work so hard to help it achieve its success.
MADem
(135,425 posts)exception, IMO.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Newtown and the anniversary of that slaughter qualify as Big News no matter what words are (or are not) used.
Here's the guidance:
General Discussion (Forum): About This Forum
Statement of Purpose
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)canuckledragger
(1,664 posts)and disruptors doing damage control.
There's been quite a bit of false alerts going around trying to censor any negative 'gun' posts.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Skinner removed the exception about guns in GD and a few around here are testing the waters and the resolve of the Mods since castle bansalot does not seem to be doing to well.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Gun threads in GD are violations of this forum's SOP, as clearly stated in the pinned post at the top. The previous exception (which was among the worst ideas the admins ever had) has been removed. Nothing "false" about alerting on these.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)just sayin. [url=http://www.smiley-faces.org][img][/img][/url]
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Statement of Purpose for the General Discussion forum:
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.
Status of "big news" exceptions:
There are currently no special exceptions.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)Aristus
(66,462 posts)...
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)K&R
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)just put it in the correct forum area.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I love the discussion, I would like to see people follow the rules of GD. Put the GUN threads were they belong. I have one in GD in memoriam of the dead and all Warren Stupidity can do is post some snarky remark about guns.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)And reposting it multiple times after the previous ones were locked can't really be seen as anything but trolling for the ol' banhammer...
lastlib
(23,286 posts)If so, I would support getting rid of "industrial-strength killing machines".
If not, I didn't say a word.....
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
n2doc
(47,953 posts)but not before.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)It takes the slaughter of dozens of children for anyone to notice.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)just in the correct forum per the rules. Ask Skinner to open GD back to guns, I doubt it will happen. But no one is preventing any post in the correct forum.
eggplant
(3,913 posts)let's also remember the shooting at Simon's Rock College twenty years (to the day) before Sandy Hook.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Though they would have us silenced.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)thanks!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I really like your snarky answer in mine, very solemn.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)without talking about ---redacted---?
Thank you W S.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)as many times as it takes to get the message out there. Just say no to the right-wing enabled NRA gun culture in this country, and pass sane legislation to curtail the gun violence.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)all those murdered before and after
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)It was more honest and I liked it a lot better
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)perseverance and truth, and kick and rec again.
billh58
(6,635 posts)Just to keep this thread going...
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)spanone
(135,873 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Time to permanently lift the gun ban in GD, it is very clear that the most vocal supporters of the ban are on one side of the issue and they are not on the progressive side.
billh58
(6,635 posts)the Democratic side of the issue. They parrot the right-wing verbatim.
Zenlitened
(9,488 posts)Gun culture is precisely what led to the deaths of 20 children and six adults at Newtown Elementary one year ago.
RIP.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts).
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Skinner made a call and it should not be locked
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)This thread is now also a record of the determination of our DU gun enthusiasts to purge all discussion of our lethal gun culture from the large forums.
canuckledragger
(1,664 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,020 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)What does 6UN2 mean?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)whatever you're trying to do here?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The link is up above. It was locked with the following message:
Locking - This thread does not meet the SOP for GD.
Please repost this in a gun forum, or repost it a specific memorial post sans title "Gunz".
I reposted the exact same message with the title 6UN2.
That was locked again with the wildly informative message " Locked".
I guessed that 6UN2 was too close to the forbidden word so I reposted this thread using the title REDACTED.
It seems that this all caused a major upset in the hosts forum. Not my intention. I was told in the first lock message to remove the letters Gunz, I did that. I did it again. I would have kept doing it all day. I will not behave over this issue.
I think it is beyond idiotic that on the anniversary of this horrendous GUN MASSACRE the gd hosts were determined to lock up all mention of GUNS.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I didn't see the previous links that you mentioned.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)This is important, super important, should not be locked down.
Thanks.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But perhaps instead of stepping in for some reason, you'll allow the OP to answer for her/himself.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)for reasons that are known only to him.
Why don't you find someone to fight with who knows or cares about you? Helpful hint: That person would NOT be me.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Indeed, the OP itself is a protest that could get that member banned from this forum.
Lighten up, Francis.
Number23
(24,544 posts)My interest in whatever this is at 0% now anyway so carry on.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)You and the OP carry on. Since he's too busy to answer a question (but can find time to high five needless snark) you guys carry on. Sorry to have interrupted by having the unmitigated audacity to ask a fucking question.
Since I've got no intention on recing after all of this, there's no need to keep kicking. Done here.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)is ridiculous all the way around.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)spite:
6UN2 = GUNZ!!!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)niyad
(113,552 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)even in GD now but you always could in the two forums that guns belong in. Some just do not understand I guess.
Guns go here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172
PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON
Guns go here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262
PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON
Open everyday all day, GD had a limit until Skinner put the exception back in late this afternoon. Guns can ALWAYS be discussed.
niyad
(113,552 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)even in GD now but you always could in the two forums that guns belong in. Some just do not understand I guess.
Guns go here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172
PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON
Guns go here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262
PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON
Open everyday all day, GD had a limit until Skinner put the exception back in late this afternoon. Guns can ALWAYS be discussed.
niyad
(113,552 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)but some were just pure gun threads that were specifically forbidden in the GD rules until the exception was put in this afternoon. I had a memorial thread in GD this morning and had no problems with it being locked. The same with most of the Sandy Hook threads.
niyad
(113,552 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It is when the thread goes from a memorial to a thread on gun control advocating gun control positions. Some were really pushing their agenda.
niyad
(113,552 posts)TBF
(32,090 posts)despite the NRA shills and net nannies out there (and sometimes they are one and the same) ... I think many more of us hear you and we agree.
More and more every day...
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)bench scientist
(1,107 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)Guns will not be essential.
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These other alternatives will get the job done.
psst...
They're quieter too.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Keep on keepin' on, WS!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)But I find it fascinating that the operative theory with some of the hosts is that my post was "whining about du". There is no mention of du. There is no mention of anyone here, nor of any faction here. Apparently following the instructions given to me in a lock message to repost the thread with a different title was deliberately provocative, and as strongly implied by several hosts, reason for me to be tossed from du.
Everyone should volunteer to host gd. It is a learning experience.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)Iggo
(47,565 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)In GD. What.the.fuck.?
Makes you wonder what the incentive would be for a democratic website to stifle such conversation.
I'm thinking I'll continue dealing with the ads until the policy is revisited.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)It is a fascinating theory for a political message board.
Hekate
(90,793 posts).... Thanks to the poster who made the Stephen Colbert reference ... I hope that someday we can throw the 2nd Amendment in the volcano and stop tossing in human sacrifices Every. Single. Day.
Because that is what these gun deaths are: human sacrifices to an insane god who demands our blood and above all our fear.
Well said...