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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:18 PM Dec 2013

Third Way VP indicates they fear Elizabeth Warren's influence on the party.

It seems they feel they have the right to determine who speaks for the party. Their now defunct partner, the DLC, felt the same way. They also used their power and influence to denigrate those on the left as fringe.

I don't think they worry about the possibility of her running for president as much as they worry about her outspoken economic populist tendencies.

From Truthdig:

How Elizabeth Warren Is Scaring the Crap Out of Think Tanks and Banks

The Massachusetts senator caused a stir this week after the Third Way think tank wrote an op-ed Monday warning Democrats not to follow Warren “over the populist cliff.”

....But what’s truly behind all this resentment toward Warren? Fear, of course. Just read what Kessler, Third Way’s senior vice president, had to say about the Massachusetts Democrat, according to the Daily Kos:

...“The impetus was really—we saw after the most recently, this push that okay, it’s time to really move the national Democratic party to a much more liberal agenda, in this case, Senator Warren was the standard bearer—she’s on the cover of a lot of magazines,” he said in an interview on Sirius XM with Ari Rabin-Havt. “We were a bit alarmed by that.”

....“She is a very compelling elected official and national figure,” he said. “Her involvement in that particular bill, we just looked at it and said ‘okay, this seems to be starting to get out of hand.’”


They are afraid others might notice her popularity and start speaking out as well. They can't let that happen.

From Salon:

The point of economic populism and pushing Democrats to the left is to push them to the left, not to beat Hillary

They’re not afraid that Warren will run for president, they’re afraid that she’ll be so popular that other senators will start acting like her. They’re worried that she’ll have money to direct to candidates who share her views. They’re worried that Warren might embarrass Democrats into passing stricter bank regulations. They’re worried that finance’s iron grip on the Democratic Party might weaken. The impetus for writing the editorial was Third Way’s realization that Warren was sabotaging the decades-long project that turned cutting Social Security into a bipartisan goal. A lot of money and time was spent encouraging elite consensus around “entitlement reform,” and suddenly a bunch of senators are talking about making the program more generous. That, of course, is a wildly popular idea, judging by all polling conducted on the subject, but the anti-populism backlash relies on reinforcing the common Washington idea that it is brave to oppose policies most people want and would benefit from. The bankers and CEOs who back Third Way understand that their policy preferences have won out in the Democratic Party in spite of popular opinion.


I doubt those with the corporatist Third Way mindset will let up on the left. After all look what they did in 2003. The DLC which was still active then, and they actually called a press conference to declare that Howard Dean was not the man to be president.

The D in DLC doesn't stand for Dean

The 'D' in DLC Doesn't Stand for Dean (David Von Drehle, May 15, 2003, Washington Post)

More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."

"It is a shame that the DLC is trying to divide the party along these lines," said Dean spokesman Joe Trippi. "Governor Dean's record as a centrist on health care and balancing the budget speaks for itself."

As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.

"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."


They will keep trying to undermine Warren's efforts, but I think she is strong enough not to cave to them. Good for her.

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Third Way VP indicates they fear Elizabeth Warren's influence on the party. (Original Post) madfloridian Dec 2013 OP
Elitists do what elitists do...claim they are special and should be recognized HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #1
Oh yeh, and they call US the elitists. madfloridian Dec 2013 #2
K&R Nailed it when it comes to speaking out. woo me with science Dec 2013 #3
And for them to come out and actually say it out loud. madfloridian Dec 2013 #7
I really like the way you think pscot Dec 2013 #38
True - I consider stirring the shit my patriotic duty. polichick Dec 2013 #84
This is one of the many reasons I don't trust Hillary..n/t monmouth3 Dec 2013 #4
+1. My primary objection to her is her vote on the IWR. closeupready Dec 2013 #16
that *was* my primary objection, until I learned she helped write TPP magical thyme Dec 2013 #26
Say it isn't so! tblue Dec 2013 #40
Thank you. Excellent point. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #48
Me too. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #34
Absolutely. pangaia Dec 2013 #39
The DLC Elitists will have a hard time smearing Sen. Warren as an elitist magical thyme Dec 2013 #5
My wish as well. madfloridian Dec 2013 #12
+1 daleanime Dec 2013 #75
DU'ers be sure to drop by their Facebook page to join the commenting fun. Turn CO Blue Dec 2013 #6
I refuse to join facebook, but just the 1st page is worth a gander magical thyme Dec 2013 #28
Priceless LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #78
Get the damn Kochroaches out of our party! They owned a big part of the DLC and are still... cascadiance Dec 2013 #79
Right back at them because some of us fear them. As an FDR Democrat I am very fearful. jwirr Dec 2013 #8
I have feared their influence since I was a Deaniac back in 2003. madfloridian Dec 2013 #9
So finally, we see who finances the "everybody knows SS is going broke" closeupready Dec 2013 #10
What they're feeling is the boomerang backlash of the pain they caused us all. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #11
It needs to continue. madfloridian Dec 2013 #14
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #13
And a kick for her from me as well. madfloridian Dec 2013 #18
Thanks for the thread, madfloridian. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #19
Good luck painting that picture, Third Way. politichew Dec 2013 #15
Good post. I agree. madfloridian Dec 2013 #17
"over the populist cliff"? sendero Dec 2013 #20
...... madfloridian Dec 2013 #22
A huge plus one! nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #32
poor little fellers. dionysus Dec 2013 #21
Heh. madfloridian Dec 2013 #23
I hope their fears are justified and they find a party more to their liking. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #24
"a party more to their liking"....they have really tried to mold this one in their image. madfloridian Dec 2013 #50
IF you think you bought something hootinholler Dec 2013 #25
Best news I've heard in years. bvar22 Dec 2013 #27
I also remember Democratics who stood for the working class and the poor. madfloridian Dec 2013 #29
Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else." AlbertCat Dec 2013 #30
Third Way is against our best interests. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #31
These attacks just strengthen* Warren MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #33
I think so, too. madfloridian Dec 2013 #54
K&R! This should have hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #35
That will never happen. But thanks. madfloridian Dec 2013 #36
Just amazing Phlem Dec 2013 #37
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #41
Democrats are in a major civil war. A war for control of the Party. A war between rhett o rick Dec 2013 #42
Well, to be honest, bvar22 Dec 2013 #47
Pssst.... Third way acolytes WCGreen Dec 2013 #43
“We were a bit alarmed by that.” progressoid Dec 2013 #44
I agree to that 100%. madfloridian Dec 2013 #49
The Third Way is history - Dems are no longer afraid of sounding "too liberal." reformist2 Dec 2013 #45
I really hope you are right. madfloridian Dec 2013 #68
They are morons. She is RESONATING with sentiments already within the party. Matariki Dec 2013 #46
We need more like her, unafraid to speak their minds. madfloridian Dec 2013 #51
So true. Matariki Dec 2013 #52
But we know they will try. madfloridian Dec 2013 #53
K&R Bohunk68 Dec 2013 #55
Kick... FloriTexan Dec 2013 #56
Hi there. madfloridian Dec 2013 #57
I would love if those two ran together! painesghost Dec 2013 #70
The Third Way/DLC is a blight on the Dem Party and it's way past time to kick them out and send back sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #58
The DLC/3rd Way will not only go after The Left™, they will have compkete MSM backing. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #59
Indeed they will have media backing. Bought and paid for long ago. madfloridian Dec 2013 #60
Warren won't cave to anything but her own values. Our best leaders have all been populists. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #61
I trust her also. madfloridian Dec 2013 #62
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #63
K & R & Twitter'd dmr Dec 2013 #64
Just to throw this out there Victor_c3 Dec 2013 #65
I know what you mean. madfloridian Dec 2013 #66
We don't even have republicans here anymore, they're all "independent" now. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #76
The Mondale/McGovern vs Bill Clinton/Al Gore thing is a false dichotomy arely staircase Dec 2013 #67
Kick for the 85% of Democrats that would consider themselves "fringe" by 3rd Way definition. Scuba Dec 2013 #69
The whole Third Way model is based on the notion that liberalism doesn't win elections... reformist2 Dec 2013 #71
Please, go easy on Third Way. The unfortunate wretches are suffering from "affluenza". robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #72
Ha... madfloridian Dec 2013 #73
good! jump you thieving lying investment banker thieves irisblue Dec 2013 #74
K & R historylovr Dec 2013 #77
While I have some sympathy with Third Way concerns, the nation needs more Deans and Warrens. marble falls Dec 2013 #80
And for good reason! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #81
Those turds can't touch Warren... Jasana Dec 2013 #82
No To The DLC - No To The Third Way - No To Hillary Clinton - Yes To Warren 2016 cantbeserious Dec 2013 #83

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. Elitists do what elitists do...claim they are special and should be recognized
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:22 PM
Dec 2013

as being so.

This is one of the most egregious aspects of DLC/Third Way/NeoLiberal/Phalangists

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
2. Oh yeh, and they call US the elitists.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:27 PM
Dec 2013

They reserve all kinds of special names for us that actually could apply to them as they grabbed control of the party's agenda...fringe activists, elitists...more.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
3. K&R Nailed it when it comes to speaking out.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:37 PM
Dec 2013

The number one goal of the Third Way/DLC/corporatists is to get people to shut up and be quiet.

That's why the propaganda machine is so focused on distracting and disrupting spaces for liberal discussion. That's why liberals who speak out are swarmed and alerted and mocked with social pressure to shut up. That's why we hear these ABSURD admonitions to "wait until after 2014," or to show our loyalty to the party by remaining silent. That's why we get posts lecturing us that writing quietly to our representatives is better than being "a keyboard warrior."

The ONLY way corporatists can maintain their LIE -- that liberal policies are unrealistic and "fringe" and unpopular with the electorate -- is by keeping progressive ideas and candidates out of the national conversation.

They are terrified of the national conversation that catches fire.

This is exactly why we need to be talking about this EVERY SINGLE DAY.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
16. +1. My primary objection to her is her vote on the IWR.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:03 PM
Dec 2013

But all the wealth the Clintons have acquired from Wall Street interests comes in a close second or third reason; it's ugly and worrisome, considering how bad the country really needs a leader who understands what it means to go to bed hungry, or what it means to have to go to the emergency room to get routine medical care.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
26. that *was* my primary objection, until I learned she helped write TPP
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:33 PM
Dec 2013

Which I consider equally evil to war; signing sovereignty over to corporate rule codifies our enslavement to corporations and ensures the complete destruction of the earth's ecosystem.

The good thing about it is that it makes their goal so blatant it provides a unifying cause among multiple factions that don't agree on a single other thing. More than any other thing, it makes us the 99%.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
40. Say it isn't so!
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:47 PM
Dec 2013

She's always been too centrist for my taste but she wrote the TPP? Ugh. That's a dealbreaker.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
5. The DLC Elitists will have a hard time smearing Sen. Warren as an elitist
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:44 PM
Dec 2013

I delight in their fear that other senators will begin to emulate her. Their fear is my fervent wish and dream.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
6. DU'ers be sure to drop by their Facebook page to join the commenting fun.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:51 PM
Dec 2013


www.facebook.com/ThirdWayThinkTank
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
28. I refuse to join facebook, but just the 1st page is worth a gander
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:40 PM
Dec 2013


Matt Adler
Disclose your Wall Street donations and act with transparency!
13 · about a week ago..

Susan Gibbs
You might as well be Republicans!! No more of your brand of Democrats!!!
12 · about a week ago..

Lucy Donnan
I wish your page had a "dislike" button.
12 · last Thursday..


edited to add a couple more gems:
Judyray Plumery You're nothing but Astro-Turf. A complete fraud on the American people. How about full disclosure for a change? Elizabeth Warren is calling you out, and about time, too.


Lloyd Lachow we're onto you, corporate schmucks.

Holy-moly, the hatred is palpable:

Ronda M Fulfer Third Way? NO WAY! You guys are exposed as very wall street types that brought down our economy.

Well boys, trying to trick liberals is a lot harder than tricking tea party types. And that's because liberals have an INTERNAL conscience and they a...See More



David Shuff Third Way, kindly STFU and get out of our way.


mie Marinelli What a crock! If it looks like a Koch and quacks like a Koch....it's a Koch. We aren't the gullible puppets you are used to dealing with. The more you attempt to deceive us, the more obvious you become to us. So, by all means, please continue.



 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
79. Get the damn Kochroaches out of our party! They owned a big part of the DLC and are still...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 03:45 PM
Dec 2013

having WAY too much power in the Turd Way remnants of it... Time to stop drinking the Kochaine Koolaid!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
9. I have feared their influence since I was a Deaniac back in 2003.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:56 PM
Dec 2013

That's when we really began to understand their goals for the party. Dean really spoke out against their attacks back then.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/62fringe

Dean Statement in Response to DLC's Charge that Public Servants are
"Fringe Activists"

“Once again, the DLC has chosen to put their own political agenda
ahead of the progress needed to unite the Democratic Party. This election
has barely begun, and the DLC has repeatedly dismissed people who attend
caucuses, who get out the vote, and now the 1.3 million members of AFSCME as
‘fringe activists’ who do not reflect ‘the mainstream values, national pride
and the economic aspirations of middle-class and working people.’

“The DLC staff can say what they want about me, but they owe an
apology to the 1.3 million members of AFSCME. Our teachers, our health care
workers, and our state and local public servants don't need a lesson from
Washington insiders about the needs and concerns of middle- and
working-class families. What they need is a Democratic Party that will stand
up for them.”
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
10. So finally, we see who finances the "everybody knows SS is going broke"
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:57 PM
Dec 2013

meme that Martha Raddatz brought up in the debates which she moderated (and which we all see in other forms - from TV ads touting 401(k)'s and mutual funds, to op-eds which rest on the presumption that SS is going broke):

>>A lot of money and time was spent encouraging elite consensus around “entitlement reform"<<

Wall Street. Duh. You mean to tell me that those who stand to benefit handsomely from privatization would spearhead a misinformation campaign designed to convince 'dumb money' and voters that they need to 'take retirement into your own hands!'? Color me shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you!

It was always obvious - at least here on DU, and to most of us who was pushing that agenda. Naturally, the talking heads that go on Sunday morning are paid EXTREMELY well to ignore the reality that SS as a program is not going broke, but MAY have to tweak sources of revenue in order to meet obligations. K&R

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
14. It needs to continue.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:00 PM
Dec 2013

More, please. I have not forgotten being called fringe in 2003. Trust me, I have not.

 

politichew

(230 posts)
15. Good luck painting that picture, Third Way.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:02 PM
Dec 2013

Many honest Democratic politicians are weather vanes for the American people.

Those that have spent years legislating in moderation will quickly dump you when the wave of economic populism begins.

Translation: We have momentum and you don't, neener neener neener.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
20. "over the populist cliff"?
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:20 PM
Dec 2013

Dear IDIOT Senator,

Look around you. Maybe you did not notice, but the country's economy is in a shambles. And most of the reason for that is YOUR PRIORITIES, YOUR GOVERNANCE, this is all YOU AND YOUR IDIOT FRIENDS who turned loose the bankster's dogs on the country's middle class and poor.

Do you think that you and your kind are not going to be held accountable? You are a fucking idiot if you do, justice is coming and the first step is to ROLL BACK the IDIOTIC DEREGULATION that allowed this to happen and to LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD once again for working Americans.

Your UTTER CLUELESSNESS is astounding.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
50. "a party more to their liking"....they have really tried to mold this one in their image.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 08:25 PM
Dec 2013

They had a lot of success, but let's hope enough will speak out now. But perhaps I am dreaming.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
25. IF you think you bought something
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:30 PM
Dec 2013

Then it follows that you should be able to set the agenda.

The Turd Way doesn't realize that even if you buy people in the party you don't get the party also.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
27. Best news I've heard in years.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:38 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:19 PM - Edit history (1)

It is gratifying to know that ONE Democrat, doing the job she was elected to do,
strikes fear into the hearts of the agents of the 1%.

It is frightening that they would rally their forces inside the Democratic Party to stop her.

I'm lucky to be old enough to remember when A LOT of Democrats sounded just like Warren,
and actually worked FOR America's Working Class & Poor.
They are why I joined the Party so many years ago.

If this Chicken-in-Every-Pot populist stuff catches on,
and more Democrats start demanding that our "representatives" actually start representing us,
things might start looking better for the Working Class for the first time in 30 years.

DURec!
Gawd but it feels great the hear someone who sounds like a REAL Democrat agin.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
29. I also remember Democratics who stood for the working class and the poor.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:50 PM
Dec 2013

Been too long though.

Bvar22

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
30. Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:00 PM
Dec 2013

Then stop doing it..... jerk!





Or have you fallen for the GOP talking point... and are now speeding their bogus meme about "elitist Dems".... who are merely people who think with logic and reason instead of emotions and greed.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
31. Third Way is against our best interests.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:05 PM
Dec 2013

They should be afraid. Since they came on the scene things have went to shit.

I heard the Third Way MFer say we must cut entitlements on my TV.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
33. These attacks just strengthen* Warren
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:07 PM
Dec 2013

It's like vampires complaining about sunlight; it only makes us want sunlight more.



*strengthen as in the real meaning, not as the Third Way applies it to social programs.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
37. Just amazing
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:17 PM
Dec 2013

How this particular Senator is able to reduce the 1% into whiny 2 year old's. It would be wonderful if she and Bernie could work together on some meaningful legislation, just out of curiosity, to see what they could do together.

I feel fortunate to have this type of Senator working for us right now, and just in time. The weed that is the Third Way needs a bucket of Roundup.



-p

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. Democrats are in a major civil war. A war for control of the Party. A war between
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:04 PM
Dec 2013

the Sen Warren wing and the conservative wing. The Clinton wing has all the Wall Street money but we must fight back. Eight more years of DLC rule will finish off the middle class. Ms. Clinton isnt even trying to pretend that she is willing to fight for the middle class.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
47. Well, to be honest,
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:29 PM
Dec 2013

Hillary does a good job pretending to fight for the Middle Class,
like in the following video:



Who was that young man who put her in her 3rd Way Place,
and said he would Raise-the-Cap to protect Social Security?
He would have made a good President!

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
43. Pssst.... Third way acolytes
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:16 PM
Dec 2013

Dudes and dudettes, get with the freakin' program....

Or have the balls to hang out in the shallow pool with the other weasels and be done with you.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
44. “We were a bit alarmed by that.”
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:20 PM
Dec 2013

Now I like her even more!

Let's hope she doesn't get the Howard Dean treatment. We need more like her.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
45. The Third Way is history - Dems are no longer afraid of sounding "too liberal."
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:20 PM
Dec 2013

The whole mantra of "socially liberal/fiscally moderate" being the ideal combo - that's out the window too.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
51. We need more like her, unafraid to speak their minds.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 09:10 PM
Dec 2013

There are not enough of the leaders doing that. Yes, the sentiment is there in the party, now we need the leaders to catch up to us.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
52. So true.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 09:21 PM
Dec 2013

I think they are morons if they think all they need to do is 'shut up' Elizabeth Warren. Because there is a huge base that is driving her popularity, and *that* they can't shut up.

painesghost

(91 posts)
70. I would love if those two ran together!
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:40 PM
Dec 2013

I'm sure I'm not the only one that fails to feel all that excited about a Hillary presidency

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
58. The Third Way/DLC is a blight on the Dem Party and it's way past time to kick them out and send back
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:47 PM
Dec 2013

to their own party.

I hope they are right though about Warren, that she manages to influence other Dems to finally get back to the job they signed up for.

They sure didn't sign up to serve Corporate American, but that's what they've been doing.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
59. The DLC/3rd Way will not only go after The Left™, they will have compkete MSM backing.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:59 PM
Dec 2013

The Beltway elites -- both 3rd Way Demos & MSM -- are shrinking back rapidly. The 40+ yr. effort to govern by corporate jargon-jive is long in the tooth, and has no vision. The far right at least had a passionate ideology, however negative, with which people can form community & culture. The corporatists of the DLC run from ideas and community.

I've said for years these DLC people would rather fight the "left," however generously defined, than the Right. And they will NOT go after corporate power, esp. the financial sector in the personage of Goldman-Sachs.

They look about and pray for continued apathy; they have given up on the notion they are a popular or even effective force.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
60. Indeed they will have media backing. Bought and paid for long ago.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 11:38 PM
Dec 2013

Now and then the media throws the left a crumb, but then they go right back to their support of all things corporate.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
61. Warren won't cave to anything but her own values. Our best leaders have all been populists.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 11:54 PM
Dec 2013

Populism is and indication that a politicians has taken the time to talk to every day people and is behaving in a way that reflect their visions and aspirations. The banker heavy third way must be brought to realize that a person running a small business don't give a shit about what they think, or that a person trying to provide for a family don't give a shit about what bankers think or want.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
65. Just to throw this out there
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 05:23 AM
Dec 2013

there is a growing group in the republican party that identify themselves as "progressive republicans". I don't agree with 100% of there stances, but some measure of progressive and anti-corporation ideology is slowly emerging among republicans.

Maybe it's just the people around where I live, but all of the middle class and working class republicans I talk to believe that the power and influence of corporations and big-moneyed-interests needs to be curbed.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
66. I know what you mean.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:33 AM
Dec 2013

The Republicans in my family (there are a lot of them) are that way. I think the Tea Party types snuck up on most of them.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
76. We don't even have republicans here anymore, they're all "independent" now.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 03:02 PM
Dec 2013

There is a great and growing acknowledgment that it's all gone horribly wrong, but very few people have any rational ideas of how to fix it or even how it happened.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
67. The Mondale/McGovern vs Bill Clinton/Al Gore thing is a false dichotomy
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:52 AM
Dec 2013

Warren represents a true third way of progressive politics in America that can't be classified as 70s McGovernite liberal or 90s Clintonian moderate.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
71. The whole Third Way model is based on the notion that liberalism doesn't win elections...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:49 PM
Dec 2013

Not only was that proved false in 2008, it was proved false again in 2012. Never mind that Obama isn't
actually all that liberal in practice, his rhetoric in both campaigns was quite liberal, and it's what won him two elections.

The very basis for 'Third Way' Dems no longer exists...

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
74. good! jump you thieving lying investment banker thieves
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 02:49 PM
Dec 2013

and how did thurgood marshall jr get involved in that lot of scum?

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
81. And for good reason!
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 03:48 PM
Dec 2013

She'll force some to tact to the left, but this time we have to find a leader, not a masterful politician.

Jasana

(490 posts)
82. Those turds can't touch Warren...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:02 PM
Dec 2013

and they better damn well learn that fact right now or get totally swept away. She has backers not from Wall Street or banks and thousands of small donors. More than any other candidate to date. She may be from Massachusetts but Progressives from all over the U.S. helped get her elected.

Warren speaks for the democrats the turd way forgot and there are a lot of us. All she needs to do is to keep pushing that populist agenda; keep pushing that conversation to the left... left..LEFT you arseholes! Your next presidential nominee better know more than how to speak Progressive! I don't expect unicorns but I damn well want more than a chewed up bone for my efforts this time! But for now let's just focus on 2014.

Massachusetts has done all it could to push you turds into realizing just what trouble you are in. We've given you Warren, Markey and now Clark. Bill de Blasio won mayor of New York on a Warren populist message. I have financially supported every politician named in this post so far including Alan Grayson in Florida. And if Wendy Davis runs in Texas, I will small donation support her too. I don't just think in terms of state politics anymore when it comes to money.

The goal is to elect better democrats... no matter where they come from. Do you hear that roar turd way? Better Democrats!

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