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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThird Way VP indicates they fear Elizabeth Warren's influence on the party.
It seems they feel they have the right to determine who speaks for the party. Their now defunct partner, the DLC, felt the same way. They also used their power and influence to denigrate those on the left as fringe.
I don't think they worry about the possibility of her running for president as much as they worry about her outspoken economic populist tendencies.
From Truthdig:
How Elizabeth Warren Is Scaring the Crap Out of Think Tanks and Banks
The Massachusetts senator caused a stir this week after the Third Way think tank wrote an op-ed Monday warning Democrats not to follow Warren over the populist cliff.
....But whats truly behind all this resentment toward Warren? Fear, of course. Just read what Kessler, Third Ways senior vice president, had to say about the Massachusetts Democrat, according to the Daily Kos:
...The impetus was reallywe saw after the most recently, this push that okay, its time to really move the national Democratic party to a much more liberal agenda, in this case, Senator Warren was the standard bearershes on the cover of a lot of magazines, he said in an interview on Sirius XM with Ari Rabin-Havt. We were a bit alarmed by that.
....She is a very compelling elected official and national figure, he said. Her involvement in that particular bill, we just looked at it and said okay, this seems to be starting to get out of hand.
They are afraid others might notice her popularity and start speaking out as well. They can't let that happen.
From Salon:
The point of economic populism and pushing Democrats to the left is to push them to the left, not to beat Hillary
Theyre not afraid that Warren will run for president, theyre afraid that shell be so popular that other senators will start acting like her. Theyre worried that shell have money to direct to candidates who share her views. Theyre worried that Warren might embarrass Democrats into passing stricter bank regulations. Theyre worried that finances iron grip on the Democratic Party might weaken. The impetus for writing the editorial was Third Ways realization that Warren was sabotaging the decades-long project that turned cutting Social Security into a bipartisan goal. A lot of money and time was spent encouraging elite consensus around entitlement reform, and suddenly a bunch of senators are talking about making the program more generous. That, of course, is a wildly popular idea, judging by all polling conducted on the subject, but the anti-populism backlash relies on reinforcing the common Washington idea that it is brave to oppose policies most people want and would benefit from. The bankers and CEOs who back Third Way understand that their policy preferences have won out in the Democratic Party in spite of popular opinion.
I doubt those with the corporatist Third Way mindset will let up on the left. After all look what they did in 2003. The DLC which was still active then, and they actually called a press conference to declare that Howard Dean was not the man to be president.
The D in DLC doesn't stand for Dean
The 'D' in DLC Doesn't Stand for Dean (David Von Drehle, May 15, 2003, Washington Post)
More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."
"It is a shame that the DLC is trying to divide the party along these lines," said Dean spokesman Joe Trippi. "Governor Dean's record as a centrist on health care and balancing the budget speaks for itself."
As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.
"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."
They will keep trying to undermine Warren's efforts, but I think she is strong enough not to cave to them. Good for her.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)as being so.
This is one of the most egregious aspects of DLC/Third Way/NeoLiberal/Phalangists
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They reserve all kinds of special names for us that actually could apply to them as they grabbed control of the party's agenda...fringe activists, elitists...more.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The number one goal of the Third Way/DLC/corporatists is to get people to shut up and be quiet.
That's why the propaganda machine is so focused on distracting and disrupting spaces for liberal discussion. That's why liberals who speak out are swarmed and alerted and mocked with social pressure to shut up. That's why we hear these ABSURD admonitions to "wait until after 2014," or to show our loyalty to the party by remaining silent. That's why we get posts lecturing us that writing quietly to our representatives is better than being "a keyboard warrior."
The ONLY way corporatists can maintain their LIE -- that liberal policies are unrealistic and "fringe" and unpopular with the electorate -- is by keeping progressive ideas and candidates out of the national conversation.
They are terrified of the national conversation that catches fire.
This is exactly why we need to be talking about this EVERY SINGLE DAY.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's a good thing.
pscot
(21,024 posts)Well done.
polichick
(37,152 posts)monmouth3
(3,871 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)But all the wealth the Clintons have acquired from Wall Street interests comes in a close second or third reason; it's ugly and worrisome, considering how bad the country really needs a leader who understands what it means to go to bed hungry, or what it means to have to go to the emergency room to get routine medical care.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Which I consider equally evil to war; signing sovereignty over to corporate rule codifies our enslavement to corporations and ensures the complete destruction of the earth's ecosystem.
The good thing about it is that it makes their goal so blatant it provides a unifying cause among multiple factions that don't agree on a single other thing. More than any other thing, it makes us the 99%.
tblue
(16,350 posts)She's always been too centrist for my taste but she wrote the TPP? Ugh. That's a dealbreaker.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It is clear where she stands. She stands with the wrong people.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)She couldn't get where she is without standing with the wrong people.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I delight in their fear that other senators will begin to emulate her. Their fear is my fervent wish and dream.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)www.facebook.com/ThirdWayThinkTank
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Matt Adler
Disclose your Wall Street donations and act with transparency!
13 · about a week ago..
Susan Gibbs
You might as well be Republicans!! No more of your brand of Democrats!!!
12 · about a week ago..
Lucy Donnan
I wish your page had a "dislike" button.
12 · last Thursday..
edited to add a couple more gems:
Judyray Plumery You're nothing but Astro-Turf. A complete fraud on the American people. How about full disclosure for a change? Elizabeth Warren is calling you out, and about time, too.
Lloyd Lachow we're onto you, corporate schmucks.
Holy-moly, the hatred is palpable:
Ronda M Fulfer Third Way? NO WAY! You guys are exposed as very wall street types that brought down our economy.
Well boys, trying to trick liberals is a lot harder than tricking tea party types. And that's because liberals have an INTERNAL conscience and they a...See More
David Shuff Third Way, kindly STFU and get out of our way.
mie Marinelli What a crock! If it looks like a Koch and quacks like a Koch....it's a Koch. We aren't the gullible puppets you are used to dealing with. The more you attempt to deceive us, the more obvious you become to us. So, by all means, please continue.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)I've added my comments too!.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)having WAY too much power in the Turd Way remnants of it... Time to stop drinking the Kochaine Koolaid!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That's when we really began to understand their goals for the party. Dean really spoke out against their attacks back then.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/62fringe
Dean Statement in Response to DLC's Charge that Public Servants are
"Fringe Activists"
Once again, the DLC has chosen to put their own political agenda
ahead of the progress needed to unite the Democratic Party. This election
has barely begun, and the DLC has repeatedly dismissed people who attend
caucuses, who get out the vote, and now the 1.3 million members of AFSCME as
fringe activists who do not reflect the mainstream values, national pride
and the economic aspirations of middle-class and working people.
The DLC staff can say what they want about me, but they owe an
apology to the 1.3 million members of AFSCME. Our teachers, our health care
workers, and our state and local public servants don't need a lesson from
Washington insiders about the needs and concerns of middle- and
working-class families. What they need is a Democratic Party that will stand
up for them.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)meme that Martha Raddatz brought up in the debates which she moderated (and which we all see in other forms - from TV ads touting 401(k)'s and mutual funds, to op-eds which rest on the presumption that SS is going broke):
>>A lot of money and time was spent encouraging elite consensus around entitlement reform"<<
Wall Street. Duh. You mean to tell me that those who stand to benefit handsomely from privatization would spearhead a misinformation campaign designed to convince 'dumb money' and voters that they need to 'take retirement into your own hands!'? Color me shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you!
It was always obvious - at least here on DU, and to most of us who was pushing that agenda. Naturally, the talking heads that go on Sunday morning are paid EXTREMELY well to ignore the reality that SS as a program is not going broke, but MAY have to tweak sources of revenue in order to meet obligations. K&R
Baitball Blogger
(46,735 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)More, please. I have not forgotten being called fringe in 2003. Trust me, I have not.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)She is so impressive.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
politichew
(230 posts)Many honest Democratic politicians are weather vanes for the American people.
Those that have spent years legislating in moderation will quickly dump you when the wave of economic populism begins.
Translation: We have momentum and you don't, neener neener neener.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Welcome to DU. Yes, we do have momentum.
sendero
(28,552 posts)Dear IDIOT Senator,
Look around you. Maybe you did not notice, but the country's economy is in a shambles. And most of the reason for that is YOUR PRIORITIES, YOUR GOVERNANCE, this is all YOU AND YOUR IDIOT FRIENDS who turned loose the bankster's dogs on the country's middle class and poor.
Do you think that you and your kind are not going to be held accountable? You are a fucking idiot if you do, justice is coming and the first step is to ROLL BACK the IDIOTIC DEREGULATION that allowed this to happen and to LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD once again for working Americans.
Your UTTER CLUELESSNESS is astounding.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They had a lot of success, but let's hope enough will speak out now. But perhaps I am dreaming.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Then it follows that you should be able to set the agenda.
The Turd Way doesn't realize that even if you buy people in the party you don't get the party also.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:19 PM - Edit history (1)
It is gratifying to know that ONE Democrat, doing the job she was elected to do,
strikes fear into the hearts of the agents of the 1%.
It is frightening that they would rally their forces inside the Democratic Party to stop her.
I'm lucky to be old enough to remember when A LOT of Democrats sounded just like Warren,
and actually worked FOR America's Working Class & Poor.
They are why I joined the Party so many years ago.
If this Chicken-in-Every-Pot populist stuff catches on,
and more Democrats start demanding that our "representatives" actually start representing us,
things might start looking better for the Working Class for the first time in 30 years.
DURec!
Gawd but it feels great the hear someone who sounds like a REAL Democrat agin.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Been too long though.
Bvar22
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Then stop doing it..... jerk!
Or have you fallen for the GOP talking point... and are now speeding their bogus meme about "elitist Dems".... who are merely people who think with logic and reason instead of emotions and greed.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They should be afraid. Since they came on the scene things have went to shit.
I heard the Third Way MFer say we must cut entitlements on my TV.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's like vampires complaining about sunlight; it only makes us want sunlight more.
*strengthen as in the real meaning, not as the Third Way applies it to social programs.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I hope she keeps on.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)How this particular Senator is able to reduce the 1% into whiny 2 year old's. It would be wonderful if she and Bernie could work together on some meaningful legislation, just out of curiosity, to see what they could do together.
I feel fortunate to have this type of Senator working for us right now, and just in time. The weed that is the Third Way needs a bucket of Roundup.
-p
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the Sen Warren wing and the conservative wing. The Clinton wing has all the Wall Street money but we must fight back. Eight more years of DLC rule will finish off the middle class. Ms. Clinton isnt even trying to pretend that she is willing to fight for the middle class.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Hillary does a good job pretending to fight for the Middle Class,
like in the following video:
Who was that young man who put her in her 3rd Way Place,
and said he would Raise-the-Cap to protect Social Security?
He would have made a good President!
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Dudes and dudettes, get with the freakin' program....
Or have the balls to hang out in the shallow pool with the other weasels and be done with you.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Now I like her even more!
Let's hope she doesn't get the Howard Dean treatment. We need more like her.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)The whole mantra of "socially liberal/fiscally moderate" being the ideal combo - that's out the window too.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It is starting to sound that way. Fingers crossed.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)There are not enough of the leaders doing that. Yes, the sentiment is there in the party, now we need the leaders to catch up to us.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I think they are morons if they think all they need to do is 'shut up' Elizabeth Warren. Because there is a huge base that is driving her popularity, and *that* they can't shut up.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)We need to keep pushing against them.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Warren-2016. And as a running mate - Gillibrand.
FloriTexan
(838 posts)Very happy to rec this. A bumper sticker with Dean/Warren keeps popping into my head....
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Thanks for the rec. Good combo on the bumper sticker.
painesghost
(91 posts)I'm sure I'm not the only one that fails to feel all that excited about a Hillary presidency
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to their own party.
I hope they are right though about Warren, that she manages to influence other Dems to finally get back to the job they signed up for.
They sure didn't sign up to serve Corporate American, but that's what they've been doing.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)The Beltway elites -- both 3rd Way Demos & MSM -- are shrinking back rapidly. The 40+ yr. effort to govern by corporate jargon-jive is long in the tooth, and has no vision. The far right at least had a passionate ideology, however negative, with which people can form community & culture. The corporatists of the DLC run from ideas and community.
I've said for years these DLC people would rather fight the "left," however generously defined, than the Right. And they will NOT go after corporate power, esp. the financial sector in the personage of Goldman-Sachs.
They look about and pray for continued apathy; they have given up on the notion they are a popular or even effective force.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Now and then the media throws the left a crumb, but then they go right back to their support of all things corporate.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Populism is and indication that a politicians has taken the time to talk to every day people and is behaving in a way that reflect their visions and aspirations. The banker heavy third way must be brought to realize that a person running a small business don't give a shit about what they think, or that a person trying to provide for a family don't give a shit about what bankers think or want.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)dmr
(28,347 posts)Awesome thread!
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)there is a growing group in the republican party that identify themselves as "progressive republicans". I don't agree with 100% of there stances, but some measure of progressive and anti-corporation ideology is slowly emerging among republicans.
Maybe it's just the people around where I live, but all of the middle class and working class republicans I talk to believe that the power and influence of corporations and big-moneyed-interests needs to be curbed.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The Republicans in my family (there are a lot of them) are that way. I think the Tea Party types snuck up on most of them.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)There is a great and growing acknowledgment that it's all gone horribly wrong, but very few people have any rational ideas of how to fix it or even how it happened.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Warren represents a true third way of progressive politics in America that can't be classified as 70s McGovernite liberal or 90s Clintonian moderate.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Not only was that proved false in 2008, it was proved false again in 2012. Never mind that Obama isn't
actually all that liberal in practice, his rhetoric in both campaigns was quite liberal, and it's what won him two elections.
The very basis for 'Third Way' Dems no longer exists...
robertpaulsen
(8,632 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I think you remembered your sarcasm tag.
irisblue
(32,980 posts)and how did thurgood marshall jr get involved in that lot of scum?
historylovr
(1,557 posts)marble falls
(57,102 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)She'll force some to tact to the left, but this time we have to find a leader, not a masterful politician.
Jasana
(490 posts)and they better damn well learn that fact right now or get totally swept away. She has backers not from Wall Street or banks and thousands of small donors. More than any other candidate to date. She may be from Massachusetts but Progressives from all over the U.S. helped get her elected.
Warren speaks for the democrats the turd way forgot and there are a lot of us. All she needs to do is to keep pushing that populist agenda; keep pushing that conversation to the left... left..LEFT you arseholes! Your next presidential nominee better know more than how to speak Progressive! I don't expect unicorns but I damn well want more than a chewed up bone for my efforts this time! But for now let's just focus on 2014.
Massachusetts has done all it could to push you turds into realizing just what trouble you are in. We've given you Warren, Markey and now Clark. Bill de Blasio won mayor of New York on a Warren populist message. I have financially supported every politician named in this post so far including Alan Grayson in Florida. And if Wendy Davis runs in Texas, I will small donation support her too. I don't just think in terms of state politics anymore when it comes to money.
The goal is to elect better democrats... no matter where they come from. Do you hear that roar turd way? Better Democrats!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom