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[pintobean]

1. "do the little things"

[monmouth3]

4. They mean a lot....

[loli phabay]

2. definetly hate the clingers,

[Capt. Obvious]

9. They're the worst

[BainsBane]

197. That's another reason why I'm so adorable

No way I'd ever cling to either of you.

[Capt. Obvious]

200. I understand your fear of rejection

[BainsBane]

202. Oh that's it.

However could I live with it.

[monmouth3]

3. A two-drink maximum???? Where is this going?....n/t

[loli phabay]

5. cheap date at only two drinks.

[EOTE]

6. Certainly not me.

I'd much rather prefer a woman who would impose a 2 drink minimum on herself. I'm not much of a drinker, but I can't even feel 2 drinks. And my wife swears like a sailor.

[NuclearDem]

7. "Independent"

Except with what you can do when you go out, say around his friends and family, say around him, what you wear, setting your own boundaries, and when you don't want to be raped by him.

[loli phabay]

24. i think they mean independant as in they have their own life ie dont cling

At least thats my reading of it.

[NuclearDem]

35. What kind of life though?

One where they can't say or do what they want?

[loli phabay]

38. well do what they want outside of the relationship i presume

There are always rules within the relationship, some can be weird but thats what happens in them, you either compromise or leave. How many times have we all had relationships where a weird condition was sought, or discussed.

[HappyMe]

8. I have said the word 'yes' on several occasions.

Doesn't have the same punch a psychotic broken mirror rant does.

[maxsolomon]

11. psychotic broken $800 ipad rant

not a mirror.

[HappyMe]

14. Holy crap!

That makes it even crazier, and maybe even a crime.

[pintobean]

15. Definitely a crime

to pay $800.00 for an ipad.

[HappyMe]

18. lol!! That's true.

[TroglodyteScholar]

10. Advice only an a-hole could displense

Now, flush.

[Iggo]

12. Gross.

[ismnotwasm]

13. Interesting

Thought so.

[Capt. Obvious]

16. Same

[ismnotwasm]

20. ..

[BainsBane]

32. Couldn't be more transparent

Obvious, isn't it?

[mike_c]

17. I'd like to add...

...You have at least three hours battery life per charge.

Oh-- and I want a pony.

[Fumesucker]

19. Probably have better luck at Rimjob's place

They know how to appreciate a good woman there.

[snooper2]

21. I did a google image search on your picture to help you find originator, look what I found

Came up on the same search had me ROFL

[loli phabay]

23. god i love the dead pan humor in the ecards.

[Lex]

22. Is he her dad or something?

Weird any way you look at it.

[nomorenomore08]

156. It's paternalism, plain and simple. Hence the "dad" vibe.

[LadyHawkAZ]

25. He probably posts in the same area where it's cool to refer to women in dog terms. n/t

[loli phabay]

26. bazinga, for the alltime mf win.

[HappyMe]

27. For the WIN!

[BainsBane]

30. Does that mean you'll actually hide the reference

the next time you're a juror on an alert referring to women according to slurs like that?

[HappyMe]

33. How do you know I don't?

One of your own called another woman here a dog. It got left.


Here you go --




http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434

[loli phabay]

34. that post was tragic in so many ways.

[HappyMe]

36. Yes, it is.

I am still quite angry.

[Capt. Obvious]

40. The owner of that post

has a rep for those kinds of attacks.

[BainsBane]

108. She's made them against me

but I don't recall any outrage following those attacks.

[BainsBane]

29. That doesn't exclude here.

as jury verdict after verdict shows.

[HappyMe]

31. It definitely includes DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434

[Capt. Obvious]

37. What a horrible fucking attack

Solidarity in the HOF!

[BainsBane]

39. I should keep a file

Because I probably have 30 failed alerts with references to women as b...h, s...t, and w...e. In fact, the former is so common, I've learned there is no point even bothering to alert. To pretend such slurs aren't used here with frequency is absurd.

Interesting how some see women as the source of all evil in life, including sexism.

That this OP gets such hostile responses reveals a great deal about some members. We all know one another very well now.

[Capt. Obvious]

41. Your anecdotes are more than enough evidence

[BainsBane]

43. of what?

If you have something to say, at least have the courage to come out and say it.

[HappyMe]

45. Where are all these posts using the nasty words?

[BainsBane]

51. I've posted about some in ATA

I believe Skinner actually answered one of those questions. You can find it yourself.

[Capt. Obvious]

55. She's given you several anecdotes in this thread

What more do you want?

[HappyMe]

58. Yeah. Silly me.

I guess I'll just stfu and be happy I wasn't called a dog, or be condescendingly referred to as 'dear'.

[Capt. Obvious]

64. Now that's not fair

One of those two posters are on ignore.

[BainsBane]

63. Oh, is this the old talking about the existence of misogyny

is worse than misogyny?

[EOTE]

65. No, this is the old "You talking about shit you claim to have happened is not the same thing as

evidence", thing. But I can understand how you might be confused.

[HappyMe]

75. No, it's not.

You have nothing to back up your claims - that's what this is.

[Capt. Obvious]

46. Your anecdotes are more than enough evidence

Pretty straight forward.

[BainsBane]

48. That "women are the source of all evil"

Is that what my anecdotes are evidence of?

[Katashi_itto]

157. Evidence: Here is some of BB

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4055310

BB: No, it had to do with your perceptions of your ability

to attract women.

Me: Likely because I was in a serious car accident

But unlike some people I worked on that and got out and about.
For example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018516977

But you do have my sympathy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4055341



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4055276

[BainsBane]

163. Aw, poor you

I countered your snark with snark back. How awful of me.

[Katashi_itto]

214. hahah, right, whatever you want to spin

[BainsBane]

47. Are you referring to the poster you linked to?

Why would you think she is my "buddy"? I have her on ignore. I haven't said anything about it because she isn't in this thread.

[HappyMe]

49. I posted the link to her lovely

insult in 2 of the posts I made.

[BainsBane]

53. Which violates community standards

and any sense of decency. Despite my rocky past with her, I'm not going to sink to that level. Besides, it completely ignores the frequent references to the word "b...h," which is what AzLadyHawk was referring to, I believe.

[HappyMe]

60. I haven't seen any posts using the word 'bitch'.

Actually, I think she is referring to TA. But she will speak for herself, I suppose.

[LadyHawkAZ]

69. It wasn't just TA

although yes, that was what I was referring to. I think I can probably point you to the post that gave her the idea; the Xmas Link Elf dropped a link in my PM box last week.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=30309

Arf fucking arf.

[HappyMe]

73. Isn't that special.

There are quite a few different sets of rules around here. It appears that some don't have to comply with any.


WOOF! ARF!

[polly7]

80. LOL.

Amazing to see how some women just can't understand that most of us are actually able to think and function independently.

I feel sorry for the person who posted that.

[BainsBane]

95. Funny, I saw you use the word

in the past couple of days.

[LadyHawkAZ]

110. "Pat" you mean?

Yes. I was mocking that post.

[BainsBane]

112. no, the term for a female dog

and how is it you aren't outraged by men calling women those names?

[LadyHawkAZ]

115. "It's a bitch finding the right size replacement needle for them"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4122427

That one? OK. What person was the term referring to?

[BainsBane]

116. No one

You have several recent references using the word, not in a way I would alert on, however. Why is it that you never see men referring to women in such terms as problematic? It seems to me you make a point of accommodating what men want and very often point to women as the enemy. Why is that?

[LadyHawkAZ]

118. I did? That's interesting. It's a word I rarely use.

Can you link me to my several uses?

[BainsBane]

121. Why am I the only one here who can do a search?

https://www.google.com/search?q=bitch+ladyhawkaz&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

[LadyHawkAZ]

124. You realize most of those are from other people in the threads?

"Alas poor Meta, it was not bitching, I had come to think of it as motivational speaking.", which had the most hits, was from libodem's sig.
The rest, except for the first one, were from other people in the thread with me.

[BainsBane]

128. not all

because the reference I saw the other day used the term as a verb. My real question is why is it that you always feel compelled to point to transgressions by other women, when the fact is those terms are most frequently used in insulting ways (rather than as you have used them) by men on this site?

[LadyHawkAZ]

134. Because I pay attention to post histories

The people on this board who are least supportive of women and most often insulting to women (that haven't been banned; when men get misogynist, admin gives them the almighty boot) have been other women.

TA's post, had it been done by a man, would have rightly resulted in a ban. As it is, not only was the post not hidden, she's not even flagged for review. I was told the post went 4-2 to leave, so at least 4 people on this board agreed with her assessment- do you think they are more likely to be men, or women?

Do you think stuff like that ought to be allowed to lie around unchallenged, in the name of female unity, and hung on the Feminism banner? I don't. It's insulting. That's why.

BTW, your search in post 96? From the first page: the first hit is part of a woman's username, three were "son of a bitch", two more were used the same way I did, two were part of article titles or part of the story, and the remaining two were posted by women. The first use as an insult by a man is on page 2, and it's directed at Mitch McConnell.

[BainsBane]

164. Actually it would not have resulted in a ban

I can see you've never served on MIRT. You evidently ignored your friends in the men's group calling redqueen an "attention whore," multiple times. No one was banned over that. Nor are they banned over calling women "c...ts," unless the person happens to be a new member.

I have no intention of defending TA's comments. As I made clear, I've had her on ignore for months. You, on the other hand, ignore misogyny and direct your anger toward women. That you can even claim that comments like that from men result in PPRing tell me just how removed from reality you are. There have been three male members banned for misogyny since I have been back on DU, and all three tried very hard to get those bans. You are frequently vitriolic because some women have the audacity to argue that rape porn is not harmless, or point to issues of rape culture you want to pretend only exist in the Muslim world. You show yourself to more outraged that someone sees a link between rape porn, rape culture, and rape than actual violence against women. Women have a right to disagree with men and disagree with you, no matter how odious you may find that concept.

Additionally, if you think Skinner and EarlG are bigoted against men, you should take the issue up with them. It is they and they alone who make decisions about banning members with over 100 posts.

[polly7]

170. Step away from the mirror. nt.

[LadyHawkAZ]

190. I said nothing about MIRT

TA is well over the MIRT post limit. Admin would have to have dealt with it, as in fact they just did with Pab Sungenis. I thought I was pretty specific about it being an admin issue.

I don't ignore misogyny. That seems to be what's upsetting you. I am frequently vitriolic when women attack other women's rights or infantilize/degrade/insult other women to push an agenda- I take it personally when people try to use the feminist label (MY label) to do that. And if you're going to keep pointing the personal finger, I can note with some pride that I have never needed a sock to do so.

Socks used to result in a ban, too, come to think of it.

As for the nasty words, I can remember a man referring to Beyonce and her dancers as "sluts en regalia", and got a response of Woohoo! What a great daddy! from some of the same people who complain about the word at any other time. So apparently it's OK for some, much like referring to women as dogs is OK for some. The unequal standard bothers me. It's not a requirement that it bother you. I can argue the point without your help. I sure hope you're not insisting I should shut up about it, though.

You're free to disagree with anyone you like. You don't get to voice that opinion in a vacuum, not in GD at any rate. This is a public forum on a public board. Other people also have a right to disagree, however odious or "silencing" you may find that concept. I believe several people have already explained this to you.

I don't think the admins are bigoted against men. I support the bans for misogyny that have occurred so far. I think they try to be more careful with the issue of feminism, with them being men and with feminism being such a broad concept, and prefer to err on the side of caution with misogyny displayed by women. That's been my impression, anyway.

[BainsBane]

220. Your refusal to debate in good faith is noted

If you had been on MIRT, you would have a sense of what results in banning since we receive all ban notices. You wouldn't make the absolutely absurd claim that women can say things that men don't get away with, and somehow insinuate I have something to do with what another poster writes.

You criticize others for what you do day in and day out. The difference is they criticize ideas and you attack people, sometimes dishonestly, as you did when accusing me of calling people rape apologists, while you NEVER object to insults from the other side (misandrist, feminazi, Maoist, totalitarian, fascist, right wing, crazy, etc. ..), which are far more numerous. Your above post shows your unwillingness to engage in honest debate and instead resort to petty attacks. Why you don't feel a need to abide by the same standards you hold others do, I can't imagine. Those really are your issues and no longer interest me in the slightest.

[pintobean]

221. If I didn't notice who posted this

I would have assumed it was a reply to you.

[BainsBane]

222. Why would you think

that has any conceivable relevance to the discussion or to me?

[LadyHawkAZ]

226. *snort*

A couple days ago, I tried to bring up a couple of issues to debate; your response was to tell a total falsehood about what I had said (twice, and you've repeated one of them here), yell at your strawman and then run away. But reminding you of your sock puppet after you spent half your previous post attacking me is refusing to debate in good faith- yeah, whatever.

Have a nice day.

[polly7]

230. ROFL!!

[polly7]

232. +1,000.

There definitely are some here who do ignore misogyny and even practice it themselves ..... but it's all good, because it's just part of that 'education' they're so selflessly providing. Makes me both laugh and a little ill at the same time.

[LadyHawkAZ]

260. This time, it's more laugh than ill, thank goodness

This is the most epic flameout since She Who Must Not Be Named.

[Capt. Obvious]

129. Ha! So you admit it!

BB wins the internet yet again!

[polly7]

126. Massive fail.

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[EOTE]

155. LOL. We're all capable of doing searches. We're also capable of taking things in context.

Something you fail pathetically at. There is not a single use of that word coming from the poster you're referring to that refers to a woman in a negative manner. Keep up the hilarity, though.

[BainsBane]

96. a search is so easy to do

takes only a second, less time than to write the post you just authored.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bitch&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

[maddezmom]

50. Were those words directed at another DU member?

[BainsBane]

52. Yes, in a couple of cases

In other cases they were used to talk about women in public life. Contrast that with 6-0 hides of fat shaming of Chris Christie.

[maddezmom]

54. Well I would hope you alerted admin to the ones that were directed at DU members

As for women in general, I can see why they weren't hidden as the debate about what constitutes sexist language here on DU goes round and round.

[BainsBane]

59. Yet when those slurs are about fat shaming

or homophobia, no such debate exists. So AzLadyHawk's reference to such places where women are called those names does not exclude DU, as I observed.

Of course I alerted administrators. The people who made those comments are still active members.

[maddezmom]

61. Sorry but there is plenty of fat shaming and homophobic posts that get a pass by juries as well

Look at any link about Christie and the most recent one about Cruz being in the closet. It isn't just sexism.

[BainsBane]

92. I find those homophobic insinuations offensive

and don't like the fat shaming stuff either. Whenever I am on a jury, I hide them. I never try and justify them.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

165. It gets hostile responses because it's a sly call out to DU men

But you and your pal know that, don't you?

Transparent? Oh, indeed.

[BainsBane]

167. But calling out DU women, no problem.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4131353
Knock me over with a feather.

It's only a callout if it applies, and at least one member has suggested the list represents an ideal mate.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

169. That post sucks.

But the OP furthering it is no better.

[BainsBane]

172. Truthfully, I'm not sure what that OP's take on the matter is

I just can't help noticing the reaction isn't nearly as strong as to this thread.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

175. Whatever the case....wonder if they post here? is bullshit.

I suppose it could go either way in support of that meme or not, but there's no doubt the call out on this one in this op stinks to high heaven.

[BainsBane]

176. not if you think that's how your mate should behave

I think someone is going to create a poll to find out. Look further down in this thread, starting around post 132.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

181. Apparently a woman wrote the op's meme

Which I kinda thought was gonna be the outcome here.

But if you don't think women "make lists", I don't know what to say. Unless they are teasing us men.

[BainsBane]

182. I think very young women (in their 20s) might

but the actual author, as I told the other member, is not as relevant as how people respond.

If I made a list it would not involve keeping a man in his place. It would instead include: intelligence, compassion, honesty, a sense of humor. Most importantly not married and really not married, not just pretending to be not married while really being married. Nothing about keeping quiet, not saying no, etc. . . As an adult, however, my values are formed enough that I don't need to make lists.

I don't think most men here would make the kind of list in the OP, but clearly some find it perfectly acceptable. Another chimed in at the end of the thread. So if it's an ideal list, it can hardly be insulting to men. You can't have it both ways.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

183. A list is a list

I won't date anyone who smokes or is a conservative/Republican. I made a list.

It's not about what's acceptable. It's about saying "Oh look, this is what some knuckle dragger on DU would do!!! Haw haw!"

[BainsBane]

185. the point was not lists

If that were the point, you wouldn't have objected. The point was about men who seek a partner who stays in her place.

Sex with Republicans can be hot. You might want to rethink that one.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

187. I have no issue with the lists, lists are fine

You seemed to act like women over 22 don't make them, when I know that they do but the reasons change. Unless they are somehow teasing is all I said. When I was in college, it was "I want him to be a doctor" etc. etc....just as when a guy is college age it's "She has to have a nice ass". As you get older, those lists do morph into something else less shallow. But being as there aren't many college age guys or gals posting here, I don't get posting this very dark list here and tying it to DU men somehow.

And it may shock you, but sex is not my raison d'etre for dating. Therefore listening to someone bash poor people or praise Sarah Palin as an idol is not worth the romp in the sack.

[BainsBane]

191. Okay, I'll concede the lists point

It's not that important. I was imagining the Cosmo kind of list, not just an idea of the qualities that are most important to you in a partner. While there may not be college kids on here, some have the same kind of priorities.

What can I say. I like sex, and great sex is not so easy to come by. Besides, not all Republicans praise Palin. I also think intelligence and compassion takes care of the Palin lovers and most Republicans, don't you? I actually come off far less confrontational on political issues--on any issue really--in real life than online. I don't hesitate to speak my opinion, but speaking face to face enables me to modulate tone and engage in dialog better than writing online does. A bit of political sparring can be fun.

[polly7]

42. Or the one where it's perfectly fine to refer to women in insulting ways.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4079899

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4074989

I think you're on to something there.

[HappyMe]

56. Oh, but that's different.

[Old and In the Way]

91. For such an ardent board feminist...

she/he certainly has adopted a lot of masculine tendencies in her/his posts*.

*As this is an anonymous posting site, I don't pretend to know the real gender of any poster here.

[polly7]

101. It's just plain old hypocricy, not a single male on this board or any other

I can think of, has claimed the absolute right to continue to harass using insulting, demeaning, sexist terms that way. They'd have been PPR'd for it. People get awful brave on the internet, it would last about 2 seconds in RL.

[Old and In the Way]

107. "it would last about 2 seconds in RL"

Gawd, what I wouldn't give to meet every member of the HoF, in real life. Maybe at a DU cocktail party someday...

[Fumesucker]

195. Having one's illusions shattered isn't often a pleasant thing

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

57. Heh. +1 n/t

[MattBaggins]

186. Is that the group with the

famous women I'd like to pork threads?

[BainsBane]

28. Hmm. I wonder . . .

[ismnotwasm]

62. Oh my GOD what have I done?

This was supposed to sink like a stone.

Now I have to trash my own thread. Ick

[EOTE]

66. You wanted your thread to sink like a stone?

Why on earth would you want that? I'd think you wouldn't post something if you weren't proud of it. Regardless, I'm more than happy to give it a kick before it goes.

[BainsBane]

67. You hit way too close to home

[ismnotwasm]

83. Apparently so.

Jesus.

[Capt. Obvious]

70. Sure you did

You're hiding your own thread - not deleting. Odd way to put out a fire that supposedly upsets you.

[ismnotwasm]

74. Meh

It was a joke. I don't post in GD that much. I was just intrigued that the porn thing keeps getting resurrected-- in such passive-aggressive ways.

It's pretty funny when you think about it.

[Capt. Obvious]

77. I suppose the HOF members

could stop resurrecting the porn thing in such passive aggressive ways.

[ismnotwasm]

82. It's not us, Capt. Obvious

No indeed.

[maddezmom]

87. Well there was this one first thing this am when I signed on

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4130037

But guess you missed it.

[BainsBane]

93. There were a number of other threads on porn too

But somehow the obsession charge isn't waged about the ones that are favorable of porn.

[maddezmom]

103. Sure they are....

Seriously.....I have seen it done by both sides and on this very thread.

[ismnotwasm]

102. Actually I did

I saw a few strange posts yesterday, a free speech one and one about a message on a broken iPad today.

I have porn on auto trash as well as all porn threads. This is going to turn into one unfortunately. However I'm adding to the problem by replying aren't I?

[BainsBane]

86. Talk about obsessed

The OP has nothing to do with porn.

[Capt. Obvious]

100. Aren't you just the most adorable thing

[BainsBane]

106. I am actually

Thanks for noticing.

[Capt. Obvious]

194. I'm sure I'm not the only one

waiting to see your complaint here.

[BainsBane]

196. On pins and needles

You'll just have to wait until tomorrow.

[Capt. Obvious]

199. Assuming there's an answer

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

217. I wonder who holds the record for most ATA questions ignored?

Skinner's a smart dude. He knows a briar patch when he sees it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. Didn't sink? Overreaction is like that.

The thread that you were outraged about is long since gone, yet the stone-throwing continues.

We're on what, day 5 of pornopalooza? Maybe it's time to dial back the rhetoric.

[ismnotwasm]

78. I was outraged?

Not I.

Edit: Oh I take that back I was completely creeped out.

[pintobean]

72. When did it turn to shit?

Who took over your thread?

[ismnotwasm]

76. When it got hostile

I try to avoid hostile. No one person.

[pintobean]

79. It was more of an observation

than a question.

[ismnotwasm]

81. Then I'm confused, but

It certainly was written like a question. My apologies.

[BainsBane]

89. It's now come down to denouncing thought crime

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)

They are upset that you may be thinking that porn is bad. You need not actually post about porn, but that it might be somewhere in your head is bad enough. The mere fact it is in their heads is enough.

[ismnotwasm]

94. Oh

I thought the point was pretty clear, but guess not. It's a non sequitur of a thread really, but people can read into it what they like.

[pintobean]

117. What a load of crap.

It was about a bull in a china shop.

[pintobean]

98. Sorry about that, your right.

One just has to be careful. Some people really enjoy alerting. I've even seen where someone created a sock so they could alert after 0-6 leave its.

I wouldn't want anyone to see my post as a call-out, so I posed it as a question.

[ismnotwasm]

104. I hardly ever alert

Unless it's sometimes completely egregious. Differences of opinion or well phrased snark aren't something to alert on IMO. It takes away from the purpose of alerting. I'm of the "you dish it out you gotta take it school" which could get me in trouble I suppose.

[Rex]

85. Now you've done it! 500 reply thread on the way!

[ismnotwasm]

90. Fuck

You know every time I post in GD-- which isn't that often, it usually sinks.

Ah well.

[HappyMe]

99. Oh my! Wide eyed innocence!

[ismnotwasm]

109. No you don't understand

My threads in GD always sink. I hardly ever post here.

But you're right, with tensions high as they are I should have expected this.

[xulamaude]

141. That was just genuinely funny. Thank you!

[Rex]

68. So it goes from wanting independance...to saying yes.

Did Newt or Rush write this? I'm sure the humiliation part comes into play a lot in public!

[brewens]

84. He left out, walk three paces behind me. Just kidding of course. The only one I go along with

is the humiliation one but I also would practice that.

[notadmblnd]

88. In other words, make your entire existence centered around him

And then when he drops dead of a heart attack, there will be plenty of time to figure out who you are and what you really want to do with your life.

Ladies, just make sure you take out a hefty life insurance policy on him so you can figure it out in relative comfort.

[FatBuddy]

97. To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him

Just to see him smile, makes my life worthwhile
To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him
And I do

I'll be good to him, I'll bring love to him
Everyone says there'll come a day when I'll walk alongside of him
Yes, just to know him is to love, love, love him
And I do

Why can't he see, how blind can he be
Someday he'll see that he was meant for me

To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him
Just to see him smile, makes my life worthwhile
To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him
And I do

Why can't he see, how blind can he be
Someday he'll see that he was meant for me

To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him
Just to see him smile, makes my life worthwhile
To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him
And I do

To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him
Just to see him smile, makes my life worthwhile
To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him
And I do

[Old and In the Way]

105. I'm curious....

would you have had a problem if this was titled and written verbatim, but from a woman's perspective: "How to be a man women love"?

I think most men I know attempt to be that kind of man.

[ismnotwasm]

113. Oh HELL no

Good Gravy Marie.

The best thing one that list is the "don't humiliate" one.

[Old and In the Way]

119. So, you like your men drunk and slutty?

:roflmao:

[ismnotwasm]

127. I don't have a list of proper attributes for him no.

Drunk and slutty? Really?

[Old and In the Way]

131. Fascinating

So someone posts something on the internet about what men find attractive about women, something I think most women would also find equally attractive in men, but the only attribute you can agree is worthwhile is the "don't humiliate" one.

This is why I don't take your Groups' rants seriously...you can't really engage in an honest discussion about the only subject you are apparently interested in.

This will probably earn me a call out in your protected HoF forum for my "bullying", though.

[BainsBane]

198. No, the list specifically says "not slutty"

Which I take to mean not liking sex very much.
I'm still waiting for your poll.

[Old and In the Way]

203. I guess that was only 2nd best to "no humiliation"?

You're gonna wait a long time for that poll...I know where most of DU will come down on a pretty innocuous list of attributes that people are attracted to, regardless of gender. The fact that your team dishonestly posted this to use as another club against males on this board is blatantly obviously. But, by all means, "please proceed". :lmao:

[BainsBane]

206. My "team"

My, oh my. So now I not only bear collective guilt, I'm supposed to be omniscient.
If the list is so innocuous, what's wrong with posting it regardless of origin? You can't hold on to a grievance without immediately undermining it, can you?

[Old and In the Way]

218. See post 210.

I think when a small group of anonymous posters focus exclusively on a few topics and work overtime to disrupt the board with dishonest posts - like this one - I think 'team' is a pretty good descriptor.

"If the list is so innocuous, what's wrong with posting it regardless of origin?" Because the Subject of the OP is: "I wonder if he posts here?" and it fits the narrative that your team promotes: men are all privileged patriachal misogynists (did I hit all the correct buzzwords?) who treat women as unequals.

Now that the poster knows where the actual list came from, perhaps you can PM him/her and advise to change it to a more probable "I wonder if she posts here?" Then we can discuss whether this is a blatant example of misandry.

[BainsBane]

227. Misandry

Oh noes. The horror of having to read a thread you don't agree with, or worse yet, one you DO agree with. However will mankind survive. Say, where's your outrage to the OP labeled "Does she post here"?

[Old and In the Way]

228. Did the other thread OP lie about the origin of whatever was posted?

Guess I missed it....

[BainsBane]

235. It was identical

There was no attribution to whoever posted it. It simply said "Does she post here." Both are rhetorical questions. Do you understand what that means?

One OP that did deliberately and willfully misrepresent is the one on the First Amendment. It was responding to Boston Bean's thread where she explicitly said she didn't advocate banning, so the First Amendment is entirely irrelevant. But that didn't stop the poster from completely distorting it. Naturally you didn't denounce that.

[mstinamotorcity2]

111. Three shots of

Hendog to go please

[OldHippieChick]

114. So long as she also dusts lightbulbs

Think she's called a "Stepford"

[ismnotwasm]

120. I can't take all this fighting!

NSFW

[nomorenomore08]

166. It really is over the top. *Somebody's* upset about *something*, even if I'm not sure

who or what...

[RiffRandell]

244. Either you're being sarcastic, or you don't remember my response to you Monday.

Myself and other people were upset that I was called a dog by a poster which was a blatant personal attack because I found comments in a thread funny, and a jury voted to leave it. I gave you the link, but will provide it again in case you did forget.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4122583

Now I just saw a post was hidden in this thread by a person that has been supportive of me which was not hide-worthy at all, imo.

I sincerely thank everyone that has defended me, but I don't want any of you risking getting posts hidden over it and giving certain people the satisfaction, as obviously the juries are voting on one's personal views alone and not whether it's a violation of community standards.

[GeorgeGist]

122. where is this going?

Nowhere fast.

[ismnotwasm]

125. Exactly

Much ado about probably left over resentments from previous threads. My fault.

[ananda]

123. How to be a man women love.

Don't be so sexist as to make a list of what women should be like.

[ismnotwasm]

130. +1

[Old and In the Way]

132. Do women makes lists of things that they love in men?

Or is this strictly a male thing? I'm betting, without looking, that I can Google find similar lists. And, I would think they'd match up pretty closely with this list. Because, male or female, we all make lists and we are all human.

[BainsBane]

135. Really? I thought people grew out of that by age 22 at the latest?

I don't suppose it might occur to you that there might be a difference between qualities one values in a person and a list of how a woman should stay in her place? That kind of false equivalency is the sort of thing one expects from CNN.

[EOTE]

136. What makes you think the one who wrote the list above was over 22?

And no, quite a few people DON'T mature much in their lives. I've seen quite a few of these lists with the genders reversed.

[Old and In the Way]

137. Do you know the age of the person who wrote the OP?

Interesting that you view this as a list "of how a woman should stay in her place"....when you obviously have no idea of what this person's thinking/reasoning was or what age he/she was. For all you really know, this could be the posting of a bitter old, loveless woman who fabricated this, in order to repost it on an anonymous website for the sole purpose of spreading more hatred between the genders.

Again, I read the list and think - that's the way I assume most couples would hope their SO would operate. Obviously, you read this and frame it to fit your agenda. Sad for you.

[BainsBane]

139. So the OP is right

He does post here. You read the frame to fit your agenda. Sad for you. The "hatred between the genders" is the inability of some to view women as equal human beings, as the list in the OP demonstrates.

I know Ism's approximate age. How that is relevant, I have no idea. What is informative is how people here respond to the post. You clearly think it conveys how women should behave. I happen to believe I'm an equal human being. Crazy, I know.

[polly7]

140. 'He'?

http://www.divinecaroline.com/love-sex/top-10-what-every-man-loves-woman

[Old and In the Way]

146. Hahahaha BUSTED!

Thanks for the lin, polly7k!

Of course, that's not nearly as effective as just posting it as an etext so you can continue to accuse men on DU of misogynist behavior. This group keeps losing more and more credibility...

[polly7]

250. You're welcome!

Just more dishonest bull* hoping to get even one response that can be purposefully misconstrued and twisted to make someone look like a woman-hating devil. Although, imho, those who really do seem to hate women who don't tow their hard-line, authoritarian 'you're either with us or you're a rape-apologist, pitiful dog who just lives for a pat on the head' are easy to spot. They just can't hide it. And many of us are sick and tired of it.

Example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434

That was allowed to stay, while criticism of such an ignorant, hateful post was hidden.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4131908

[EOTE]

147. This was written by a woman?

That just makes this entire thread all the more hilarious. Thanks for taking the time to find this out.

[Old and In the Way]

144. Links please.

"He does post here." Some anonymous poster at DU takes credit for this? Hope you aren't saying I wrote this; although I don't take issue to those words, it's not something I'd bother to detail out on the internet.

"the inability of some to view women as equal human beings" Some...where? On DU? Please link to any post where a DUer has stated that women are not equal to men. I want to add my name to that subthread condemning that anonymous poster.

[BainsBane]

152. OMG. No I am not saying you wrote it.

Your literalism is ridiculous. You have said you find the list perfectly acceptable. Therefore that indicates that you are the kind of person referenced in "I wonder if he posts here." Since you have said you see that list as acceptable, you should have no issue identifying as the sort of person who would write it. In fact, you said the fact I didn't see it as an ideal list for a partner but rather as a list of how a woman should stay in her place was "sad for me."

As for your contention that "anyone" would want a partner who fits that criteria, I beg to differ. On the most basic level, if both parties are insisting the other do the pursuing, no partnership will occur.

That list is about a passive woman who doesn't say no, who relinquishes her rights over her own body. Would you relinquish control over your own body? Would you give up all rights to say no to anything?

[Old and In the Way]

154. Hey BB, take it up with divinecaroline!

Now that we know the real source of isnotwasm's OP...maybe it's time for the HoF team to make a full frontal assault on that bastion of privilaged patriachists!

[BainsBane]

160. Haven't we been?

I must be slipping.

[BainsBane]

161. You asked for links

Here's one. Not what you requested but it shows not everyone (or, I suspect not even most people) see that list as ideal: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4131632

[Old and In the Way]

168. Yeah...but, now that we know the truth about where it came from...

would that poster have written the same thing? Perhaps changed his mind entirely?

Actually, it goes to show how easy it is to manipulate a person's thinking, when you take a list out of its original context and then suggest a man was responsible for the words.

And I love how you assume most people would take issue to this. Why not start a poll and find out? Just be honest and link to the website and ask the DU community to weigh in on how awful this is.

[BainsBane]

171. What truth?

I missed whatever you're talking about.

However, I don't think the story of the writing of that list is nearly as informative as how people here have responded. Again, you have an excessively literal take on things.

Feel free to write the poll yourself. I'm not in the mood to get flamed again. It would be an easy enough task. Just repost the list and say do you think this is a list of an ideal mate?

[polly7]

178. LOL!

I think she's still got me on ignore for asking her why both she and her sock at the time were replying to me in one thread!

[pintobean]

192. This thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022605055

adogslife was the sock

While looking for that, I found this awesome take-down.

[Capt. Obvious]

207. That was amazing

Trolling for dollars is the game I think.

Only think that makes sense.

[Capt. Obvious]

193. Who is the sock?

Is the sock still here?

[maddezmom]

201. Was adogslife

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=302058&sub=trans

[Capt. Obvious]

205. Thank you

I remember when that happened. Lulz all around.

Totally forgot the parties involved.

[Old and In the Way]

209. Wow....using a sock account to abuse the alert function.

That's dishonest...but doesn't surprise me in the least.

I wish DU tracked who the biggest alert abusers are on the board, results would be illuminating.

[Capt. Obvious]

210. I always check in when these threads happen

Totally. Fucking. Trolling.

[Old and In the Way]

213. They're not fooling anybody.

Except those that want to be fooled.

[opiate69]

245. Not only dishonest.. Used to be a bannable offense as well...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=241643&sub=trans

[BainsBane]

133. and don't tell a woman she isn't a real feminist

because you as a man know what real feminists should believe.

[nomorenomore08]

223. That's the part that really makes me facepalm. I mean, sure, disagree with somebody all you want.

But who the hell are you (not BainsBane, the rhetorical "you&quot to decide - as man or, hell, even as a woman - who is or isn't a "real feminist"?

[BainsBane]

224. I would never do that

Never have, never will. It's astounding how many feel they must completely invalidate another person in a discussion.

[nomorenomore08]

225. It's basically the equivalent of knocking over the chess pieces and saying "I win!"

[opiate69]

238. So then, you repudiate this idiotic cartoon, yes?

[BainsBane]

239. That's not my post

It's not something I would say or post. Repudiate. This is like the fifth time today someone has decided to make me responsible for what other people say. I'm one person, not a feminazi collective. I'm responsible for everything I say, including every stupid post I've made, but I'm not responsible for what anyone else posts. When are you going to repudiate calling a DU woman an "attention w...e." Oh, no. You didn't repudiate it. You repeated it.

[treestar]

174. +222

Quit telling us how to be!

[MattBaggins]

188. ^^^women should be more like this^^^

Oh wait... crap

[polly7]

138. This seems to have come from an article in 'divine caroline',

by 'Text in the City'

Text in the City is a free, daily dose of advice for successful, saavy women. It is "the place" women turn to when it comes to navigating the fun, but often times, confusing world of dating and relationships. Find out "Where The Boys Are," how to be "The It-Girl" and enjoy pages of "Dating Diaries" from real women in their quest to find that special someone. And, Text In The CityTM is always at your fingertips ready to prep you for your big date or dish out some free flirting tips. For more information, please visit http://www.textinthecity.com


http://www.divinecaroline.com/love-sex/top-10-what-every-man-loves-woman

[1000words]

142. The author is female?

[polly7]

143. It appears that way.

Divine Caroline

It's About You

"Divine" isn't About Being Perfect"

"We don't know any perfect women and if we did, we probably wouldn't want to hang around with them. At Divine Caroline, you'll be spending time with women who embrace the fact that life isn't always easy or beautiful or fair. Our dream is to give you a place to come together and express yourselves. What brings you joy. What breaks your heart. Makes you giggle. What pisses you off. Confuses you. Entertains you. What keeps you strong. And if all that sounds too heady, remember we're also discussing stuff like sketchy relatives and good kissers."

http://www.divinecaroline.com/about

[maddezmom]

145. Did you see this one?

http://www.divinecaroline.com/love-sex/10-secret-things-every-man-wants

It is like bad Cosmo and that is saying something.

[polly7]

150. I did! Thanks maddezmom, it is like bad Cosmo lol.

The men 'polled' here were far more sane and realistic in their expectations of a relationship than these supposed 'wants' in the OP - which were written by women.

Why so much misleading bull*!

[1000words]

148. There's a lesson here, I think.

Or perhaps my feeble male mind is playing tricks on me.

[EOTE]

153. There's always a lesson.

And this OP's lesson is: "MORE PORN THREADZ!!11!"

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

177. Whoops!

I guess one can feel free to proceed to call the woman an animal of their choosing then....

[LadyHawkAZ]

158. BWAHAHAHA!

Nice catch!

[LittleBlue]

216. Oh shi-

[EOTE]

149. LOL. This was written by a woman.

And yet another thread goes exactly as you wanted it to.

I wonder if she posts here.

[lillypaddle]

151. Yes, I'm sure she does post here

and a few of her friends, too.

[JI7]

159. fitman ?

[BainsBane]

162. No doubt

He's been spotted in the underworld.

[treestar]

173. It's all about control

That list is from a man who just wants to be in control of the woman. It's all it boils down to.

[loli phabay]

179. erm, it was written seemingly by a woman, who am i to lambast her list.

[treestar]

266. So, that's how the right wing rolls

They find a black person to spout Ayn Randisms, so they can claim not to be racists.

It's easy to find women who will tow the party line.

And maybe she thinks that's what men want? Which is telling, too.

Because it does sound like it. Some women think it's in their interests to play along with it. Her list says "do it as he wants it to be."

When do you ever see lists of what men should do to win over a woman?

[polly7]

180. uhhh, no.

The list comes from a woman on a site that gives dating and relaitonship 'tips'.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

184. Apparently it's a list of how to attract a man....

....written by a woman.

[Old and In the Way]

212. Actually, if you read some of the subthreads, it appears much more likely that it's a women's list.

I do the same thing and read OP's and respond accordingly. If the poster isnotwasm was honest, she'd remove her reference/suggestion that a man is responsible in the OP and provide the link that polly7 added. But that's not going to happen.

[pintobean]

215. Just another

train wreck out of that station.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

231. It boils down to you getting this exactly, precisely 180 degrees wrong.

[frogmarch]

189. Oh, don't forget this one!

You can bake an apple pie quick 's a cat can wink its eye

also:

You never question him about things that are none of your business
You never contradict him

[Jamaal510]

204. I can't speak for other men, but

"you let him pursue you"

I actually prefer when the woman makes the first move. I mean, why not? This is the 21st century now. The average guy is generally more approachable than the average woman, anyway, so there really is not much for women to be scared of in terms of rejection. With men on the other hand, we usually have to either worry about coming on too strong, or the woman fearing that we are creepy and only want sex.
Also...
"you watch your language"
I could care less whether some woman swears or not. I have more important things to worry about and to be turned off by than that.

[Skittles]

208. those are the kids of guys who claim they "don't know how to talk around women"

they're assholes

[alarimer]

211. That's kind of messed-up

Some good, some APPALLING.

Like never asking "Where is this going?" What the hell is wrong with that?

Why does she have a 2 drink maximum? I assume this guy, whoever he is, does not impose the same limit on himself.

Watch your language? Fuck that.

Sometimes you have to say no. You have the right to say no whenever you feel like it, for whatever reason.

Actually, this whole things is messed-up. Why do women have to abide by some rules some guy made up?

[Old and In the Way]

219. This is a rather misleading OP

Subthreads expose where this came from....but the poster accomplishes what they intended.

[Sissyk]

229. It looks as if he is a she.

Does that change the message for you?

[Bonobo]

233. The continuing saga of "Teh menz suck" posts... nt

[1000words]

234. The ease at which some immediately jumped to a desired conclusion is most telling here

That's what happens when you trundle around these boards with a crusade mentality. One finds the offending behavior everywhere ... even when it's not there. It plays out again and again at this site, and I have no doubt it will continue in the future. Way too many folks here with an agenda.

All the while, everyone involved will insist they are an "open-minded progressive ..."

[BainsBane]

241. So I'll be seeing this same denunciation

in the thread entitled, "I wonder if she posts here"? You know, the one that preceded this.

[opiate69]

247. Well.. If it turns out that the person who trashed that ipad was a guy, then yeah...

But, until then, this olympics-worthy conclusion-leaping fail of an OP will be considered to have earned, in spades, every ounce of ridicule and derision it has received.

[BainsBane]

249. I'm not sure how it matters who wrote the list or scratched out the IPad

The question was rhetorical. If the person who wrote this is a woman, and I don't know how people have come to that conclusion, but let's assume it was. How does that change the rhetorical question asked? I just saw a poster say that feminism was the source of evil on earth. You think that guy wants a woman who speaks her mind? Do you?

[opiate69]

251. It matters, because..

Ism, in her infinite wisdom, assumed that it was authored by a man, (hmm.. Smells a wee bit sexist to me...), then she further thought she was making some grand statement about the "DUh" (sic), and the men that post here. But, since her initial assumption was so quickly proven to be oh, so hilariously wrong, it effectively renders whatever point she thought she was making equally laughable.

[BainsBane]

252. Did she assume it was written by a man?

I noticed you evaded the question.

[polly7]

253. "I wonder if he posts here?"

ismnotwasm (13,856 posts)

I wonder if he posts here?

You'll try to twist anything, won't you? It's too bad this isn't a teen board where you could pull it off, say ... once in every ten or so tries.

[Fumesucker]

254. What is the meaning of the thread title then?

"I wonder if he posts here?"

[BainsBane]

256. So you think the woman (if it is a woman) who scratched out the Ipad actually posts here?

The meaning was: Do guys who think like this post here?

[Fumesucker]

258. The assumption was clearly that a man wrote the piece in this OP

And I thought the "Ipad" message was probably fake, the frame was beat to hell and gone while the screen was almost pristine, not the work of someone in severe emotional distress.

[BainsBane]

261. So I'll see posts in that thread where you object to that OP as well?

And then there is this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4134913

[Fumesucker]

265. I haven't "objected" to ~any~ OP, in fact I recced this one just for the entertainment factor

And I suspect Hamlet was probably schizophrenic, he was certainly melancholy.

[opiate69]

255. I know English can be a confusing language, but...

"I wonder if he posts here" seems pretty easy for a big brain such as yourself.

[BainsBane]

257. Yeah, somehow I didn't take it literally

and I'm certain she didn't mean it literally. Do you think whoever scratched out the Ipad actually posts here?

[opiate69]

262. No, I don't. And to be perfectly honest, I didn't even see that thread until I was probably 4 posts

Into this one. But, as a kidding, jocular lounge-type thread, it may have worked, but as it sits here in GD? Nope.. Dumb post.

[BainsBane]

259. What did you all do in English literature class?

in school? It must have been terribly confusing. Did you think Hamlet's father really visited him as a ghost? Did Dorothy really get swept by a tornado to Oz? Or did the whole thing about the Populist movement and William Jennings Bryan get by you?

[opiate69]

263. Do let me know when

any DU post comes within a light-year of being classic literature.

My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun; 
Coral is far more red, than her lips red: 
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun; 
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head. 
I have seen roses damasked, red and white, 
But no such roses see I in her cheeks; 
And in some perfumes is there more delight 
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks. 
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know 
That music hath a far more pleasing sound: 
I grant I never saw a goddess go, 
My mistress, when she walks, treads on the ground: 
And yet by heaven, I think my love as rare, 
As any she belied with false compare.

[BainsBane]

264. LOL

I can't argue with that.

[opiate69]

236. Rec for assumption fail....

[BainsBane]

240. Except for the posters

who thought the list was just swell.

[opiate69]

242. Care to point 'em out? Cause, I ain't seein 'em.

[BainsBane]

243. Certainly

Subthread beginning at post 132. Your pal at 179 seems pretty keen on it too.

[opiate69]

246. Yeah... Not exactly ringing endorsements...

But no surprise you, as is your wont, completely, laughably, misconstrued their posts.

[BainsBane]

248. Hardly

The second one is open to interpretation. The first was quite clear. It's simply a question of whether you can read or not.

Again, I read the list and think - that's the way I assume most couples would hope their SO would operate. Obviously, you read this and frame it to fit your agenda. Sad for you.

Hope you aren't saying I wrote this; although I don't take issue to those words, it's not something I'd bother to detail out on the internet.

And I love how you assume most people would take issue to this. Why not start a poll and find out? Just be honest and link to the website and ask the DU community to weigh in on how awful this is.

[Bonobo]

237. Somebody needs to start making a list of these faceplants.

Let's see... right wing religious groups with fake statistics about porn... sexist lists about women created by women... what's next?

[ismnotwasm]

267. Oh FFS

I've spend a relaxing day in the hot tub. Just watched "The Wolverine"

Log in and this is still here?

Everybody out of the pool! Right now!