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After watching the video below, I did some soul searching to try to figure out why I'm so annoyed by Apple products. Yes, the fanbois are really annoying. But I surprised myself when I figured out the real reason: By going against the grain, Apple users make communication and file sharing more difficult. For example, I'm the person everyone goes to for help with computer problems. Sometimes I have to take over their computer with TeamViewer. If I had a mac, I wouldn't be able to help them and vice versa. In the past, something as simple as sending a Word file to a mac user proved difficult (I think that problem may have been resolved by now). I find it interesting because I usually treasure uniqueness, but when it comes to tech, I guess I have an authoritarian-like fall in line attitude.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)I'm not an Apple fanatic, but I've had Macs since the late '80s and found them to be reliable and easy to use. So I have no reason to hate them.
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)They feel compelled to keep throwing new crap out on the market, without making sure their CURRENT crap works! It's junk.
ananda
(28,858 posts)I have four Apple products, all just fine for my purposes.
shanti
(21,675 posts)after replacing at least 3 two-year old, microsoft laptops by 2004, i threw in the towel, and went to apple. couldn't be happier....i'm still on my 2009 macbook. except for a liquid spill on the touch pad (my bad), there have been zero problems.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)Now, I routinely throw 40-60 hours a week at my 2009 MacBook and it holds up nicely to all that abuse!
Warpy
(111,255 posts)That's one reason I don't own any of their products, although I've got some of their software on my computer.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)I do it all the time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And I tracked it down to docx, it is a MS quirk, we save in doc.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)in the latest version of MS Office.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)They are not 100% compatible. Neither is 2010 and 2011.
This was done by Microsoft.
It took three days of reading Ars Technica and a few others to figure this out. It was driving her and me nuts.
2010 is not fully backwards compatible with 2007 either. And 2013 is not 100% backwards either.
Doc, on the other hand, is. It is not as full featured, I am the power user, not the boss.
FYI, HTML 5 is as well, but word adds too much crap to the file.
For personal use I have gone retro and use txt with multimarkdown language
frazzled
(18,402 posts)if you have an older MSWord program and need to use a docx file that's been sent to you. It's a free download and it works like a dream. I receive docx files all the time, and I can attest it works.
Just google docx converter for free downloads. I'm not sure which one I use.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and I hate with the fire of a thousand suns anyone who sends me a lousy text file in .docx format. Or even in .doc format. Microsoft for some reason known only to itself keeps changing the standards and Word can't read its own stuff half the time.
Have the ignorant masses never noticed the "Save as..." function? Do they not know what .txt or .rtf means?
Every Windows computer has a version of Word or Office on it and I usually just let the trial period expire. But that means finding a replacement, which too many people are too lazy to do. I have LibreOffice and WordPerfect Office which work just fine-- better in some, maybe most, cases. And AbiWord for basic notes and stuff. And I never, ever, save in their native formats if I'm sending something out.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I use txt with multimarkdown for my fiction writing
im1013
(633 posts)and never had a single problem. I've been using OpenOffice for several years
and it is awesome (and free!). I can open Word or Excel documents without a hitch or even doing any conversions at all. I have several docs that I wrote when I used Windows & Word, and I can
edit them and even save them in the same old .doc format for emailing to others.
Simple and EXCELLENT!
[link:http://openoffice.org|
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)one, but after Oracle took it over it's been losing something. A lot of OO people went over to LibreOffice and that's what I use now if WordPerfect has a problem, or I need a database. And AbiWord or another simple text editor for the real quick and dirties to send up to DropBox or Evernote.
But, my real complaint is the idea of using the .doc format at all when it's just a text file without any special formatting. Makes the file a lot bigger and slower to open.
ananda
(28,858 posts)No problem.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)but to me the marketing is the reason i dislike them most. when they acted as if portable music devices didn't exist before the iPod, and when they acted as if the iPhone was the first smart phone, and then when they advertised the iPad as magical... yeah, all that was irritating.
they make sexy products by sexy-ing up something that was already there... they genuinely make improvements but create little to nothing. they stand on the backs of tech-giants and pretend they invented something.
sP
kentauros
(29,414 posts)In my experience of owning and using a couple of Cowon brand media players, most Apple users I know often ask first "Why didn't you get an iPod versus an 'off-brand' player?" Once I let them listen and view the video capabilities, as well as hear my explanation for why I didn't want "just good enough" (or my extreme dislike of iTunes), they begin to understand.
They've been successfully programmed by Apple to only trust The Brand and distrust anything considered an "off-brand."
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)unless your player is not using mp3 then I don't want to hear about it. MP3 is an unbelievably poor format. cd are barely passable. go get audiophile vinyl and a good hi fi system and listen to real quality.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I'll buy CDs while everyone else is downloading the 196kbps mp3s just so I can rip the tracks to flac. I'm not a vinyl person, though. I used to have a working turntable and nice sound system, but I'm over it. Once I organize my "home office" better, I'll get me a pair of Audioengine speakers and use my computer as my sound system, as I do now.
Unfortunately, in the case of mp3s, some artists still insist on only offering that format and no other (not even CDs) so if I want their music, I have to get the format offered. Thankfully, those few that do it that way do max out the kbps to 320 
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)and the description is audiophile like quality. like being the operative word. your stuff is ok but I wouldn't be putting people down because they use mp3's. It's not like yours is that much better.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)and Audioengiine speakers are still better than anything you can get in most computer stores. I'm not an audiophile, but would guess that you are by the put-down you have used already:
"go get audiophile vinyl and a good hi fi system and listen to real quality."
cui bono
(19,926 posts)That being said, I don't keep up with vinyl. I prefer the longevity and ease of CDs, and lower cost too. Nothing wrong with FLAC though, as it's lossless even though it is compressed.
I do have some mp3 albums since they were so cheap to buy. I got a new release that's one of my current fave's for only $2.99. But if the CD is the same price or close to it I'll buy that instead and either flacify it or mp3 it depending on where I'm going to play/put it.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)As for hearing the differences between vinyl and digital, to my ears, digital sounds better, crisp. Vinyl sounds as muddy as mp3s (to my ears.)
I don't begrudge others from going with mp3s, either. The problem is that most outlets only offer mp3s and I want higher quality digital, or FLAC. Some of the bands I like have started to offer FLAC downloads, but not through Amazon (I suspect iTunes doesn't offer FLAC either, though they may offer Apple's proprietary version.) Bandcamp seems to be one that makes albums available for FLAC-downloads, and I'm sure there are others.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)How's it been doing these days?
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)is your comment? wow...
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Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Can you actually give examples or does your argument end at "wow"?
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)and yes, Blackberry, all had a smartphone before the vaunted iPhone. Did Apple come along and sexy them up? Hell yes they did. But they didn't invent the technology... which was the point of the post but in your blind love you missed that point I guess.
sP
Oh, and I left out the best one : Nokia
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:26 PM - Edit history (1)
It seems I'm not the one with the blind emotion here.
But hell, if you really prefer Nokia as an example, that's fine. Let's look at the Nokia N95 in 2007:
And the iPhone 2007:
I haven't seen anyone argue that the iPhone was he first phone that could go online or take pictures or anything like that. But if you look at those two videos, it's painfully obviously (well, to anyone not blinded by emotion I suppose) which design most of the current smart phones copy.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)talk about blinded...
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Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Nokia released in '07 to the iPhone released in '07? Which one of us is blinded? So far I'm the only one comparing actual models. If you want to present evidence, go ahead. Or you can just ignore the evidence I present, present none of your own, and claim that I'm blinded. Your choice, but the latter isn't a terribly compelling argument.
Oh, and I fixed the link for the Nokia N95 in the previous post (I accidently posted the iPhone link twice):
And again, the iPhone from the same year:
So yeah, it's fairly obvious which one the current generation of smart phones is copying. But like I said, feel free to provide actual evidence if you like, or if you don't have any (which increasingly seems to be the case), keep responding with single sentence insults.
ann---
(1,933 posts)to have "invented" the technology for the smartphone. They made it unique and SAFER than any other OS on a smartphone.
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ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)in their minds... but believe what you will.
sP
cui bono
(19,926 posts)than Android. iOS differs from OS X in that regard. I don't know the technological details, but I've read about it and the OS is built differently than their computer OS so it can propagate a virus where as OS X doesn't. (or something like that)
cui bono
(19,926 posts)manufacturer stop putting that ability in their phone. Just because they're sore losers and Jobs wanted to squash google.
Luckily there are ways around all of this if you are willing to root and customize your phone. I did. It's fun. There's another thing you can do with an Android phone that is much more difficult to do with an iPhone.
The other thing I hate is how the media always covers the release of a new iProduct. Wtf is that about? I don't see stories every time a new Android phone comes out. Of course they'd have to run a lot of stories since there is so much more choice and there's new flagship phones out every few months.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You know how many problems I have with file sharing? Almost none.
The word file problems, after extensive research, I tracked them back to...drum roll, Microsoft.
Knowing is half the battle, so I save in a file format that is 100% compatible between the bosses Word and mine. They are separated by a year. It is a well known headache with docx. One inserted, mind you, by the good folks at MS.
And I prefer not having virus headaches in at least one machine.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)company.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)It's mostly the bourgeois hipster-wannabe fanboy Apple users that drive me nuts.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)ITunes is such a pain in the ass, I don't think I'd ever use a iPhone/iPad/iPod which uses it to syncronize media. You want to add or remove a single file and you have to sync again? Anyone who has used an Android or any other device that uses drag and drop for media knows what an incredibly pleasant experience it is in comparison. Hell, you can even download files via torrenting software directly to your phone and use it right then and there. There's no Apple product that offers anything close in terms of convenience.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Over the wifi on iTunes.
Sync went the way of the dodo two OS versions ago.
You can do it, but really it is done seamlessly over the cloud
EOTE
(13,409 posts)Sync to me is not purchasing from iTunes. Sync is making the media on your computer and portable devices match. I haven't followed the latest updates to iOS as it really doesn't affect me at all, but I can't imagine that they'd get rid of syncing as that would make an enormous amount of peoples' media collections worthless. And a lot of people don't want to deal with the hassle of syncing over slow wifi and using up all your phone's data on cloud services. I've got about 60GB of music and movies on my phone, just moving a single 2Gb movie would take an annoyingly long amount of time or wipe out my data for the month.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I can do it physically, but have not bothered.
There is a reason my field recordings are not in my music library. I do not need them on the IPad.
As to the phone, and data plans, I just do it over the secured home wifi.
My android I find it annoying as hell, and not as responsive. Next phone I get, going for an IPhone.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)If I want something from one of my computers, I can either wait for slow wifi to do it or use cloud sync on the go and run through my phones data. Even fast wireless N and AC (which almost no wireless devices have) is incredibly slow in comparison to USB. I can transfer a 2GB movie to my phone in about 30 seconds flat. If I were to do the same over wireless N, I could expect to spend at least 15 minutes. That may not seem to be much of an inconvenience, but multiply that times 5 for every time I want to update my on the go media and it's just not going to happen. Wireless is slow. Every phone or media device should have the option of wired transfer WITHOUT having to go through the song and dance that apple requires. I can sync anything I want to my phone wirelessly, but I typically don't because it's so much quicker and easier to do it wired. Until wireless AC or beyond becomes the standard on all wireless devices, it's not going to be a true replacement for wired media transfer.
rbixby
(1,140 posts)Is that Apple products tend to be very proprietary, and because of that its difficult to do much upgrading with them now. I guess its because they have a business model of planned obsolescence so you're always buying their new product every year or two. It seemed like Steve Jobs was kind of getting away from that business model, but now that he's gone they've gone right back to it.
spanone
(135,830 posts)
we can do it
(12,184 posts)There is no problem using macs for PC files. Period. Fer gawdsake what decade is this man from?
My 94 year old aunt picked up my iphone and looked thru my pictures without coaching.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)and 2) the lack of Flash on their mobile devices.
Other than that, my household owns two iPads, four iPhones, and an iMac. I also have a Windows 7 laptop, and I don't have any problem with compatibility between the two OS's.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)and guess what .... No more FlashPlayer unless you're running an older version of the OS. I was surprised when her tablet couldn't get Flash, then I looked it up. Something about Adobe not wanting to support Flash for Android any more. I don't know if Microsoft's tablet still runs Flash though.
Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)The processors used in tablets run Flash very slowly, I believe Apple (and others) wanted people to move away from Flash and start using HTML 5
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)when I first asked him about it because it was news to me when her tablet said it wasn't compatible with Flash. I expected it with my Apple devices, I was just surprised this happened on Android. I hadn't got the memo for that when it originally happened! He's still using an old version of the OS on his phone so he can see Flash.
TlalocW
(15,381 posts)Yes, he had some good ideas, fine, but just the status that Apple fan-boys of all ages heap on him. I went to a Dia de los Muertes (Day of the Dead) event once where people were allowed to create their own altars to the deceased - there were serious ones from people who had lost loved ones in wars to whimsical (one very cartoony one for Dr. Seuss). There was a guy in his mid-fifties trying as hard as he could to look like Steve Jobs - turtle neck sweater, blue jeans - with an altar of old Apple and Mac computers with magazines with Jobs on the covers sprinkled liberally around, and he was trying to get people to stop so he could read them some of Jobs' thoughts on death, and no one wanted to stop, and he was getting really pissed about it.
Not everyone is like that, but it seems to be the image Apple tries to cultivate sometimes.
TlalocW
snooper2
(30,151 posts)That would be reason enough in my mind 
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)probably nobody here has had to work with Apple to get a new app certified and in their Itunes store
It's LOTS o' fun 
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)and too difficult to work with too high a price. As a teen and beyond, the game selection was not up to snuff and for a stretch there was a general gulf in software availability which has been now long bridged but probably too late to impact my perceptions. I'm relatively "old school" computer, blazing around 5 he BBS's at 300 baud and pulling my programs off a tape drive from a fairly young age, tinkering is part and parcel of my experience as is upgrading.
It just wasn't a fit in my formative years, I reckon. I get a top down authoritarian vibe that I rebel against by natural inclination and now I consider all the I stuff cookie cutter, locked down, and substandard for the money. My note 3 kills I anything. My computer just sits there waiting for me to do a backup of my phone or to play a game. Maybe a big document or something where it is more convenient to have a keyboard and mouse.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)then it was obsolete for me.if anything the fan club can be annoying sometimes!
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Why? Foxconn. And not only that, they come out with new products every year and expect people to pay full price for incremental updates. And they have the most annoying fanboys.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)for many years. I used to run Windows and kept using Linux hoping for a decent desktop. I loved Unix from my youth at AT&T. I always wanted a unix machine because they always worked hence the working with Linux since 1.1.13.
I bought a Mac Mini to see what it was like, but used it mainly for Windows stuff. One day I went to the OSX side and did some playing around and found out that OSX is indeed UNIX and with a great desktop. I was home.
I can not remember the last time I brought up Parallels to do something in Windows. The OSX is great, the computers a first line, everything just works. Now that I am 65, I really enjoy the way that everything just works so well together.
I like the way my files sync together on my machines. I just feel that the OSX is just really showing what the potential UNIX has always had and I have to thank NeXT for that.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I'm not sure I "get" your argument for Apple.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)was the IPod Touch back in 2010 and I think it was $5. Ridiculous I know, but I have never paid for updates to my IPhone or IPad ever, so not sure what you mean.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Unless you mean like paying for an update from Windows 7 to Windows 8. I had to pay $30 for that. No biggie.
ksoze
(2,068 posts)Might want to read your original post and understand the had scratching.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)To the previous generation.
I should have worded that better.
ksoze
(2,068 posts)New iPhones/iPads every 18 months or so, most with evolutionary functional differences, albeit in mostly asme form factor on the phones. How many new Samsung, Motorola, etc. models are there a month?
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)For example, Samsung has the Samsung Galaxy S series, the Galaxy Note series, etc. Samsung Galaxy Ss come out once a year and their updates are huge. Between the S3 and S4, there were major differences. There is never any major differences between the iPhone 5 and 5S, however. The Galaxy Note series comes out once a year as well. There were major differences between the Note 2 and Note 3 (which I have both).
ksoze
(2,068 posts)Which is what makes the iPhone appealing. The updates tend to align with the carrier contract cycles, making those two year upgrades more substantial.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I'm not going to point out all the differences, mainly because I don't have the time nor do I care to. At least Samsung offers multiple types of products. They have variability. Apple doesn't. What they offer is what you get.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Therefore they are always behind the times.
The fanatics buy their phones off contract so they can always have the latest and greatest technology. And the normal users can be assured that no matter when they get a phone they can always get the latest and greatest if they like, or if they want to get a phone for *free*, yes, you can actually get a really nice smartphone for free, they can do that by opting for one with lesser specs. Choice is key. The lack of choice in hardware and software, the closed ecosystem, the attempt to make you use only what Apple decides you should use is such a turn off.
For disclosure/info: I do have a Mac desktop. I need it to run a particular software program that windows doesn't run. I really like it. But I stay away from anything that's going to tie me down to using only certain software for my daily activities, to keep me in a particular ecosystem. I prefer to make my own choices thank you very much. I use my PC laptop for most other stuff, my hobbies, because it cost half as much for better specs and because there's software for my hobbies that just isn't available for the Mac since it's written by fellow hobbyists.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)OS updates for Apple devices, I misunderstood if you were talking about Windows
Edit: I see what you meant now, you meant coming out with new products that only improve a little at a time - I actually thought you meant OS updates. My bad lol
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)But their piss poor support gave me serious dislike after someone charged 500 bucks against my bank card. I have never had an iTunes account nor dealt with Apple in any way, shape or form. It took me a dozen phone calls and hours of my time to finally talk to a human to fix their shit. I'm sure Micro$haft is just as bad, but luckily I have not had to deal with them...yet.
As for their incompatible nonsense, I just code around it.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)vindictive to his core, egotistical.
I don't hate Apple products. They are overpriced. So I don't see the need.
Editing out "hate" - I don't hate on most things, so that's the wrong word.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and was taking care of his family.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I really can't believe that someone who is as fanboi for Apple as you are is ignorant of that whole affair.
Sorry, not Mona Simpson - Lisa Brennan-Jobs.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)someone else, but were you honestly not aware of her background, and the fight about child support involving her mother and Jobs?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)You were on the thread, too, but I doubt if you would have reached a broad generalization from it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=576794
But no, I wasn't aware of the 4th child. I didn't follow his personal life, other than being aware of Mona and her novels.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He denied paternity and claimed he was sterile. This wasn't a one-night stand, either, he'd been in a relationship with his daughter's mother for some time.
He was an asshole and left mother and child to suffer. He repented later in life, but he was a real, well, asshole. A disgrace. Anyone who can do this sort of thing has a bad character deficit, IMO:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news/companies/elkind_jobs.fortune/index2.htm
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)of his author-sister and his pancreatic cancer. So I wasn't aware of his pre-marital history.
But what the heck does his personal life have to do with buying Apple products, anyway?
For the record, Steve Wozniak, the other Apple Founder, is a nice guy. (One of my relatives has known him since his Berkeley days.)
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's just a point of information, and it is reflective of the guy's lack of character...IMO. That probably was the reason why he thought putting up suicide nets was a better plan than "better pay/fewer hours" for workers.
Also, I have been brought along on the PC paradigm, and I'm old. What's hard to some people is easier for me. The few times I've used Apple stuff, I haven't been wow'ed. And for those prices, I need a little wow.
I really don't like Apple products, though, because they are overpriced and most of the people I know who own them are pretentious assholes, which serves to not recommend them to me.
Now, before anyone yells at me, I recognize that there may be--in fact, there most likely ARE-- people who are NOT pretentious assholes who own Apple products, and I may even know an acquaintance or two who doesn't fit into the pretentious asshole category, but the people I know who drone on and on about how wonderful their Apple products are and who wave them about like I should be impressed....well, they are pretentious assholes, intent on acquiring and displaying the "latest" thing; I say "Aww, to hell with that stupidity" as I wave around my twenty dollar prepaid tracfone that I can take pictures with!
If I get robbed in the subway, someone is gonna get a few bucks and a tracfone that I can get the minutes back off of with a cheap replacement phone and a phone call. I don't lose a piece of equipment worth hundreds of dollars.
For people who like them, more power to them. I think it's more money than I want to spend.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)You should try living in Microsoft country.
There are plenty of pretentious computer people here. And plenty of nice ones, too. PC/Apple -- I haven't noticed any difference among the users. My family has both, and even some members have both.
MADem
(135,425 posts)everything and cost me less than three hundred bucks.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)spending that much money for something not that much better.
I do, however, hate Apple fanboys and missionaries who try to shove their religion down my throat.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)
The Tikkis
janlyn
(735 posts)companies. First in tech support and then as a manager of a retail store. I wouldn't say I hate apple products but, I own android for several reasons. As another poster said they are proprietary and it goes against my grain to ask permission or pay for every little thing. Also I began to notice a pattern with the launch of the 4. So much so that I began to keep a tally of the number of IiPhones vs. Android customers that had issues. Over a 2 year period on average I would have 18 customers a month with issues on their Iphones vs. An average of 3 per month with Androids.
That being said, there is no device or brand that is totally trouble free. I would never tell a customer which to buy, only that it came down to personal preference.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)I have yet to understand why people are so pleased with their user experience that they have to
deride the user experience of people they don't even know who use different products.
I have also yet to understand why Apple assumes that every one of its customers is a musician,
a professional photographer, a graphic artist, or a cinematographer.
Furthermore, Apple is no longer a computer company. While they do make computers, one can buy
a more powerful computer at half the price, install Ubuntu, and avoid completely the ridiculous horseshit
Apple-monkey howling that Windows sucks. Yes, Windows sucks. What else ya got?
Apple is instead a maker and seller of entertainment hardware and content, respectively. Yes, Apple,
your iPods are very nice. What do you want in addition to the billions you're making, a cookie?
There are also some Apple-monkeys, who shall remain nameless, who are so devoted to their religion
that they insist that Apple's competition more or less shouldn't be allowed to exist. I can't decide which would
be more pathetic: that these unnamed people are paid shills, or are just random a-holes.
There is also the simple fact that I just don't get what the excitement is about. Every single Apple product
has the same look and feel. Every. Single. One. Yes, I understand that Apple stuff "just plain works." Know what
else "just plain works?" My rectum. You don't see me playing with its products, however, and I don't demand that
other people do, either.
tridim
(45,358 posts)
I probably would have said, "You know what else just plain works? Every PC on the market since 1995."
Rex
(65,616 posts)I love my iphone! The times I've used a Mac, I liked it. I have more hatred for Microscam!
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)That's not to say Steve Jobs was a saint or anything lol, but as a PC user I'm stuck with it. Hence why I refused to be enslaved further by buying an MS tablet! If I went to another brand for phone or tablet, it would have to be Android lol. Maybe someday I'll invest in a Mac but right now I can't do both and unfortunately a PC fits my needs better.
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)The only reason to purchase an Apple product is because you want to purchase a status symbol.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)after a friend showed me how easy it was to use. I have been happy with the quality and ease of use ever since, and I really don't care whether they are "fashionable." I would never stand in line to get the first release of a new one (or of anything else, for that matter) like some people do - I think that's stupid - but I buy Apple products because they work well. No other reason.
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)There are probably a small minority of legacy users like yourself who will continue to pay a premium for the system that they are used to, regardless of how Apple has been rebranded.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)They have also improved dramatically. It isn't a matter of not wanting to change or being "used to" something; I had to use a PC at my job for 12 years so it's not like I never experienced anything different or "better." I just find Apple products to be easier to use and the hardware more consistently reliable. After 25 years and a number of new computers (no, I'm not still using my 1988 iMac) I have had exactly two problems with hardware.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Slight difference in the explorer views. I like that you can color stuff in OS X, wish you could do that in Windows.
But really, the two have taken so many features from each other they are so similar that for general use there's just not enough difference to talk about.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)for a while.
i started grad school and bought an apple laptop so that it would last the entire 5 years and 4 years later, my lap top is still really well performing despite my being not such a careful person.
i am sure it feels good to judge people for being frivolous but you know sometimes you're just wrong 
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)This "reliability" argument is faulty. Maybe back in the 90s you would get a compaq "knucklebuster" PC and it would overheat on you and ruin the motherboard. Most PCs today are better, but you have the choice to build a less stable one if you want to fit your budget and needs.
I've been through exactly 3 PCs in the last 13 years, one of which I overheated the video card on with an overambitious build. The other worked fine until I decided to upgrade, and I'm on the third which I built 5 or 6 years ago. Zero replacements or problems.
Unfortunately, there is no statistical database of PC vs Mac hardware failures. Hence, every single argument is anecdotal and very frustrating. I can give you anecdotes from my circle about people with macs, which are supposed to "just work", yet have broken down due to hardware faults. I suspect the marketing has lingered in peoples' minds, and will until the day they die, because this is purely anecdotal.
The price differential is way too enormous to justify Apple's dubious claims of being more reliable, but hey that's the market for you.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Why would anyone purchase a top-of-the-line Macbook Pro for $2,500 when they can get a laptop/pc for 1/3 of the price with so much higher specs?
Answer: they want to look cool. They just look stupid instead.
Edit: Last month, I purchased a Toshiba ultrabook for $800 and it's got twice the specs as the most expensive Macbook Pro. And this computer is made of aluminum as well, so that argument for Macbooks goes out the window.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)that kind of technology and didn't want me to get frustrated trying to use another computer…
I have measured the time shut down of my one son's other computers and mine (0 time) and
I know I've come out ahead.
No status symbol here, just trying to keep ahead of the curve.
Tikki
ps I, also, own a car that gets top mpg..not for status but because of the gas mileage..
shanti
(21,675 posts)i bought apple to SAVE money! when i had MS products, they were always getting some kind of virus, destroying a couple of them. i've never had a virus on any of my apple products. that sold me.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)OwnedByCats
(805 posts)If Apple was the cheapest on the market and the quality was the same and they weren't that popular, I'd still buy it. I couldn't give a flying shit about status because I have none. Besides, I don't know anyone who has an Apple device who is in a position or even the slightest bit concerned about their "status". If anyone really does buy it just for status, then that's ridiculous. I know Apple is pricey, but it's not like buying a Rolls Royce now is it?
As far as what people use their money for, people ought to be able to spend their hard earned money on what they want, don't you think? As long as they take care of their other financial obligations? It still would be none of our business.
politicat
(9,808 posts)We stretch computers for their maximum lifespan -- my current "desktop" is a 2007 MacBook Pro that DH used for 3 years before I inherited it as an update on my 2002 iBook. It runs beautifully -- I've upgraded the RAM and hard drive, and replaced the battery, and updated OS semi-regularly. (Yes, it runs Mavericks very well -- better than it ran 10.6.) I'm waiting at this point for an update to the mini to replace it, since I no longer use a laptop for mobile work, and that's quite literally a form factor desire -- I'd like to regain some of my desk space with a smaller computer.
The iBooks are also still running well; one supports my grandmother's email and YouTube needs; the other is in my younger niece's hands.
We don't have to do much support for either one, which is good since I'm over 1000 miles from either one.
DH also keeps both *Ux and windows boxes around since he's a cross platform developer. We end up replacing major components in the windows boxes about every other year for hardware failures -- usually MBs, and we rebuild their operating systems at least every six months. It's not a viral issue, but a cruft issue -- Win has a tendency towards too much extraneous code. DH is 96% productive on the Macs, 84% productive on the *ux boxes (he plays with those more) and a whopping 48% productive on the Win boxes. (Meaning that more than half of the time he spends with the Win box is spent in maintenance, debugging or non-development work. And yes, he actually tracks this -- we're stats geeks.)
I had the same problem with my android phones -- too much cruft. I'd rather spend $600 on a phone I keep for 8 years than $200 every other year -- especially considering the coltran issue.
I don't like the Foxconn situation, but it's not just Foxconn -- it's the entire Chinese tech manufacturing system. Another manufacturer is not going to change the fact that Chinese manufacturing is, at best, sketchy. If I can't get away from tech entirely, better to make it last as long as possible.
I don't mind the walled garden of the software environment -- I have better things to do than debug because the developers couldn't be bothered to test their code.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)I've only owned Macs since 1988. In that time (25 years), I've had four computers including my current one. Two I replaced because the processing speed on the older computer couldn't handle a new game I wanted to play and one I replaced because I needed a laptop instead of a desktop (I gave the desktop to a friend and it ran for them for another seven or eight years). I have never in all of that time had a serious problem with any of my Macs and the one time I did have to take my computer in they fixed it for free even though it was years out of warranty.
In that same span of time, my dad and brother (who use PCs) have gone through at least eight or nine computers each. They're constantly getting viruses. I have to use PCs at work and they crash *way* more often than my Mac at home besides generally being a pain in the ass to work with. The other day I was trying to resize a document in Word so I could see what page I was on (which was hidden, of course, by Windows' obnoxious, non-collapsiable menu bar at the bottom) and I had to resize it from the top and then drag the whole thing up because there was no way to "reach" the corner to resize it.
Every other OS Microsoft releases is an unusable piece of shit. They can't even create a decent web-based email application in 2013 FFS. And their customer service is useless. They locked me out of my email for no reason, offered to send my a text with a code to release it (at my expense) except the menu in the request form didn't scroll down far enough to include my country (it stopped at Mauritius so tough shit N-Z countries). I emailed them asking them to unlock the account and they sent me a link that didn't work in an email I couldn't respond to and their service website was down for the next two days. Ridiculous.
I'm absolutely the least fashion conscious person you will ever meet in your life and I love my MacBook because it has a pleasant, intuitive interface, never crashes, never gets viruses and lasts forever. And anyone who says that makes me a "fanboi" is a condescending asshole who needs to grow the hell up.
I'm an average consumer that likes a solid, user-friendly product and doesn't mind paying a little extra for something I know is going to last longer and give me less aggro. Buy what works for you and stop expressing your insecurity by crapping all over what works for other people.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)for the first time in her life. You could argue that another tablet could have given her the same access, but the fact is that my MIL has absolutely no grasp of technology, as demonstrated by her inability--over 10 years--to figure out how to make calls and text from various other brands of mobile phones. Her iPhone was the first mobile phone she was able to master, and that gave us (her family) an untold amount of relief. So, having mastered her iPhone, the iPad was a natural choice when she wanted a tablet.
ksoze
(2,068 posts)The old Mac incompatibility hate is old school. In the age of internet based apps and cloud services, browser compatibility is more the issue, across all platforms. The Mac can easily boot and run in full pC mode, so for many its the nest of both worlds. The file incapability mantra is back in the day stories - Office docs do just fine across platforms.
I find Mac haters comprised many times by IT staff who toil in the Windows mire and have their worth established on that knowledge. Anything not in their knowledge level, is deemed no good. Much of this is also the marketing machine of Apple - Linux is also not Windows compatible and unique, yet does not have the same hate clubs as Apple.
Much of the hate for Apple is ignorance or clinging to old issues long since gone.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)I do have an IPod Touch, IPhone and just got an iPad 4 a couple months ago. There are several reasons - for me they are user friendly, they rarely ever crash, I've never got a virus on any of the devices that has wifi, I've never had to replace a battery (which is a good thing because Apple would have to do it for me and I'm sure it's not cheap, no way I would attempt to change it myself), never had to call tech support, and the biggest one - I have never had a problem with any Apple device I have ever owned and I'm an extremely heavy user. I had several iPods before the Touch, I didn't replace them because I needed to, it was because I wanted to. I've also never experienced trouble with iTunes, except once, and that wasn't even an iTunes issue. I had got some maleware on my PC and it prevented iTunes from working. As soon as I got rid of the maleware, iTunes worked fine again. You might say I have been lucky, but I do take good care of them. They aren't ideal for people who want to work with a more open OS, but I'm not that person. Some people "Jailbreak" their devices so they can open it up more, but that's not my cup of tea either. Yes they are expensive, that is the biggest drawback, but I really like them and if they are going to be reliable, I don't mind spending the extra money. However if that changes, I would then be looking at something else for sure. So far all has been well.
My dad however hates Apple - no idea why as he's never owned one, never used one in his life. I do get an awful lot of abuse for buying them, to the point of ridiculousness. He bought my mother a tablet that was half the cost of an iPad, then tried to tell me mine was an inferior product, telling me I couldn't do this or that with it, proving to me he clearly has never even researched them because he was wrong. The thing is I don't care what other people prefer. They can buy what they like, I'll buy what I like. No big deal. I never tried to get him to buy any of their stuff, I don't own shares in Apple or anything! Besides, I'd rather he didn't buy an Apple device because if anything went wrong with his, I would never hear the end of it!
Edited to add: I do have one problem with Apple - their charge cables fall apart within months and considering what they charge for them, that's ridiculous. Before you know it the thing looks like you've been flossing with it for months. Having said that, while they fall apart they still work for quite some time - but I just go and get an off brand cable for Apple devices, saves a lot of money that way. Oh and the new OS, some of the icons look like preschoolers designed them, very basic looking compared to their old ones.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)like some kind of religion. It's just a product. Either it works well for you or it doesn't. I like Apple products because in over 25 years of use I have had very few problems; I've had to call tech support once and I've had only a couple of hardware difficulties - a pretty good record. So as long as they keep putting out products that work well I will keep buying them. If people have had good experiences with other products, that's great, too. Buy what you like. If you like Wheaties don't bust on people who prefer Cheerios.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)I never pick on anyone for their choice in product, even if they end up regretting it themselves. We like what we like and that's fine. If you like Android better, by all means get one! You won't hurt my feelings lol. I don't own the company, I don't work there, I didn't design it myself - it's all fine with me!
They do what I want them to do, they work as intended 99.9% of the time - for me so far anyway. That doesn't mean others can't enjoy that with other products. Like I said, if I became unhappy with their products, I would just try something else. I wouldn't be daft enough to keep buying a brand of products that were unreliable for me. I did however recommend an iPad to a friend of mine who wanted to get a tablet for her autistic son, but that was mainly because Apple has more apps for autistic people than anyone else right now, as far as I could tell. She came to that conclusion herself also when she researched it too.
RobinA
(9,888 posts)iThing I hate is iTunes, which, being middle-aged, makes no sense to me and I can't figure out how to use it. Luckily my mp3 player is a Sony so I can use Windows for music, which causes me no problem. I love my iPhone.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Not only do they not play well with others, but they also don't think it's any problem. Not good.
flobee1
(870 posts)I moved from MS computers and ipods. I'm now using linux mint and ubuntu on my computers and a sansa clip for my music and audiobooks. I love my sansa, it will play just about any audio file and, tuned correctly, sounds a thousand timed better that any ipod I have ever owned. As far as phones, you will have to pry my blackberry from my cold dead hands.
My computers work good as computers, audio player as an audio player and phone as a phone. I think when you try to make an all-in-one device, you lose the best bits of each.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)It's a good brand; I use SanDisk MicroSD cards in my Cowon Z2.
If you're interested in learning more or doing some "modding" here's a review site and forum for Sansa players:
http://anythingbutipod.com/archives/brands/sandisk/
http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Other than the use of Linux, we do things similarly. My semi-smart phone is a crackberry-lite (Kyocera Loft.) My Cowon is my media player. My two Canon cameras (Powershot and Rebel XTi) take all of my photos. And my desktop PC is my computer, though it is my sound-system at home, with a small Fiio speaker that doubles as an external speaker for the Z2.
avebury
(10,952 posts)is going into an Apple Store. It is like going to the zoo. I hate going into an Apple Store that it makes me rethink what type of computer I will purchase when the time comes. If I never ever went to another Apple Store again it would not bother me.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)for the design of its retail outlets. At the Mall of America in Minneapolis there is a new Micosoft store right across the hall from the Apple store and it looks almost the same - open shelves, wandering employees with headsets and handheld devices, all that high-tech stuff. So they must think it works.
I don't mind the Apple store, but I try to avoid it on weekends. If you go when they aren't so busy it really works pretty well.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)I bought all mine from other retailers. I used to live not too far from one but I never went in. I am picturing fanboys running around the place lol.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)if it needs fixing. which it rarely does.
avebury
(10,952 posts)busy. IF you need to get an older model fixed you have to hope that you can get the part you need on the online Apple Store and then take the part and your computer to the store to have it fixed. I wanted to add more RAM memory to my IMac (first generation but in mint condition). That sucke is heavy so, while I was there I bought the 4GB Ram stick to be delivered to the store. I then had to actually go back to the store to sign for the RAM stick so that they could then install it in my computer and upgrade the OS to the most current one. At that point I waited until the work was done so that I didn't have to back to the store a 3rd time.
I had not been to the mall in a long time and saw that Microsoft has a store opening up just down the corrirdor from the Apple store.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)A third grader can work one of those.
Initech
(100,068 posts)I mean I had the option of getting a Macbook Air, but when it came right down to it, my Lenovo Y500 was literally a third the cost of the Macbook Pro, with a larger screen and more storage. You can't beat that.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)An iPod Classic for my music. Even though I'm a smartphone user, I would rather not use my phone as a music player. Just a personal preference. (I'm not exactly a Luddite either).
What I do not like about Apple products is the lack of customization and their 'my way or the highway' approach. Some of it is very simple too-- on my Android Phone, you can view the apps as a list or a grid. I personally prefer viewing as a list as I get a headache trying to read from a grid.
I also hate the Arial font with the fire of 1000 suns (I think it's really ugly--- just a personal preference), and everything in Apple's products is in that font. They give you no option to change it. I also think that the new ios 7 display (many people I work with have iphones) is ugly and you can barely read the texts on there now.
One last thing why I'm not that crazy about Apple products--- www.damnyouautocorrect.com
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)of Apple users.
Back in 1991 when I was looking to get my first computer, I looked at both PCs and Apples. The Apple product would have cost twice as much, not had color, and far, far fewer add-ons like games to purchase. The choice was easy. I've stayed with PCs ever since.
Recently, a friend, a happy Apple user, gave me an iPod that had come with something she'd bought at Apple and didn't need because she already had one. I tried to set it up and download music. Must say here, that I've long wanted an iPod because of their general usefulness. Anyway, no luck. From what I could tell there were maybe two songs I could download, neither of which I'd heard of. Then my son, a pretty good computer user, came to visit and he tried. He couldn't figure out how to get it to accept my own music already on my computer.
A few months later in a conversation with another Apple user -- "It's so easy! Just do online and download" -- with the unspoken assumption that I must be an idiot, she then said, "Oh, with that older one you need to go to the Apple store so they can unlock something."
Easy? Intuitive? Just go online and download? No, I apparently have to schlepp the 45 minute drive to Albuquerque as there's no Apple store in Santa Fe, just to have them unlock the stupid thing? Well, fuck Apple. If there stuff really is so easy to use why can't I figure it out? Why do I have to drive 50 miles so they can unlock something that I should be able to use right off the shelf?
Apple's intense commitment to not letting anyone design anything for them, their business plan of locking you into Apple and Apple only, is beyond annoying.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)surrounded by them.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Silly to take sides in the computer fan wars.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)grotesquely overpriced, proprietary confidence schemes.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Also, Apple products have more to do with fashion and marketing than functionality.
I'd much rather build my own setup for far cheaper.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I'll pay twice as much for a mac as I will for a PC. If I'm going to double my cost I'd much rather get a more powerful PC than a Mac. Software support is another issue. I'm a gamer and Mac doesn't get nearly as much support as PC does. I know I can run Windows in bootcamp mode, but why not just get a PC at that point?
hack89
(39,171 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)My first computer was an Apple IIe and that little machine worked like a charm for years. Then I decided to go for a PC. Well, after a couple of years, it crashed, and I bought another PC, and it went haywire. I decided that I'd had enough of PCs, so in 2009, I bought a Mac Mini. I love this little computer, and it runs beautifully except for a few minor glitches. But I will stick to Apple products for all future purchases.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)says it's the Windows computers that keep him in business. I'll stick with Macs, thank you very much. I've only called my tech guy to come by and migrate me to a new computer over the yrs.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Especially just for a corporate logo.
The Apple II in the early 80's cost nearly three times more than the competition. This crap has been going on the entire time Apple has existed. I've despised the company for that reason alone, since day one.
FreeJoe
(1,039 posts)1) I'd like to see the work to make their products more repairable, not less. I realize that planned obsolescence means more money for their shareholders, but it is lousy for the environment and for the ability of technology to pass down to people that can't afford the latest.
2) I'd like to see them work with standards better. This is a problem with every tech company that starts to dominate a market. They work against compatibility to keep rivals from intruding. I wish Apple didn't do it, but I wish the same about Microsoft, Oracle, Google, Amazon, etc.
3) The number one reason that I use few Apple products in my home is that I wish the platforms were more open. I realize that it is a trade-off between simplicity and security on one hand and flexibility and freedom on the other, but they lean way too far towards locking things down for my tastes. The requirement that all iCommerce flow through them is too much for me.
That said, I think that their products are fantastic for their users. I know very few unsatisfied Apple customers.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)I own an older core2duo iMac and an iPad. They both work great for what I need them for. I don't like anything that seems like a cult of personality however.
Apple is the most valuable corporation in the world, I'm not going to put their logo all over my car and wait in line for the newest product every-time it comes out.
ksoze
(2,068 posts)As Apple has shifted to a consumer products juggernaut, many of the older haters have found an Apple logo'd product in their home or office. Where Macs used to have to slip in the back door at businesses from the bottom up, most boardrooms today have execs with iPads talking into their iPhones and working on a MacBook in their home office. The enterprise demands of systems has abated as cloud and web based services have made the nuances of the OS less critical to using a computer - hell its easier to set up MS exchange mail on an iPhone.
I know many a previous Apple hater who has slowly found an iPhone in his pocket and a Mac laptop in their kids backpack and have begun to forget why they hated them.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)This is an age old debate. Closed systems generally cost more, but have the promise of being more integrated. While UNIX devotees would sneer at the reference to the Windows world as an "open system", it really is. There has always been a reasonably well-published API spec for Windows and there have been literally millions of apps developed. Microsoft has not tried to stifle or control the app community by and large. Apple has always been the opposite. Apple is paternalistic to the point of being patronizing.
Plus their products have always been really mediocre and way overpriced. I have no use for them.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)I've had plenty of apple products, you can always find a better cheaper alternative
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)They're overpriced by about double what a PC with similar hardware specs would cost; they're not upgradeable with commodity hardware, because Apple use custom PCBs that mean if, say, you want to upgrade your video card? you have to buy from them, again for about 2x what the same product would cost elsewhere; Apple users tend to be smug elitists who have the very strange idea that using a Mac somehow makes them a better, smarter, and more discerning individual than the average PC user (and then trot out lame, tired anti-Windows talking points that haven't been true for over a decade). Seriously, Apple users: telling someone who's having technical issues with their PC to "get a Mac"? Makes you sound like a complete asshole. (I suppose you also tell people who are having trouble with their Fords or Chevys to get a BMW instead, eh?)
dawg
(10,624 posts)Like many others, I thought their products were overpriced fashion statements. But I wound up buying several Apple devices over the last few years anyway. I was coerced into most of these purchases (not by Apple), but I ended up loving the products.
More importantly, I ended up feeling like I got value for my money.
Feel free to disagree, but I think I'm plenty smart enough to configure and customize my own devices. But I don't have either the time or the inclination to do the sort of endless tweaking some love to do. I just want my devices to come out of the box working "right". For me, the Apple products did just that.
They have been really durable, too. I still do most of my passive surfing with my first gen iPad. It's going on four years old and it still works as well as ever. (And we aren't gentle with devices at my house. No laptop would have survived this long.)
The software has been stable and reliable on all of my Apple devices. The excellent selection of apps and media through iTunes has been a plus as well.
I'm sure companies other than Apple make great devices too, but consistent quality is a thing I have grown to increasingly value. I have bought so many crap products in my lifetime (some from Samsung, some from LG, some from Dell, but *especially* from HP), that I tend to stick with a brand that tends not to disappoint me, even if that means paying a little more.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)My Mac Pro early 2008 has lasted a long time without any problems, I just got it new memory. It never feels like it is getting obsolete the way some of my PC boxes have in a year or two.
I'm pretty agnostic on systems in general. I have an iPhone, but an Android tablet. There are things I like and dislike about both.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)I've been satisfied with Apple products for 25 years because they have been reliable and they do what I want them to do. So if I decide to keep spending my money on those products, whose business is that other than mine? You don't like 'em, don't buy 'em.
And don't tell us that Apple customers are just too stupid or ignorant or blinded by fashion to recognize an inferior product; that's insulting and dead wrong - not to mention every bit as arrogant as the so-called Apple fanboys are alleged to be. It's just a computer, FFS.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)I looked at the price.
For the same price, my PC has:
Much faster processor
More RAM
Better video card
Larger screen
Better quality screen
Longer battery life
Warren DeMontague
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)All the things people hate about Macs are the cool new features MS baked into the strange creature that is Windows 8. Go figure.
Initech
(100,068 posts)But I wouldn't say anything bad against Apple. I would like to upgrade my iPad to the iPad Air. I'm more of a PC guy and I will admit that there are things that Apple gets right that others do not.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I'm not a fan of microsoft products, it's true, even though I use them. I've rarely used apple products, but I don't hate them.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)The HDMI port on my iPad belongs to Apple, not me. I can't use it to play media on my television fom Amazon, only from iTunes. If I had known that, I would probably have bought a diferent tablet.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Apple haters have some kind of un-admitted personal, psychological issues with Apple that really have nothing to do with Apple. Sort of like a competitive sibling.
Please seek help.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I merely am a budget-conscious woman, and there is nothing in Apple's technology that I have to have.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)
valerief
(53,235 posts)
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Hate would imply that I care enough in some way. I don't.
I don't have the $$$$$$ for their thingys, and I also am doing well without them.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And the "ioS has encountered a problem and has been shut down to prevent damage to your iPad" messages.
REP
(21,691 posts)(the blue screen on desk/laptop is a kernel panic)
Not sure what's going on with the iPad, but it never hurts to reboot: hold the Home and Off buttons down simultaneously until the screen goes black. It should restart in a minute or less.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)Word 97-2003 document? Problem solved. Or am I missing something here?
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)Apple set themselves up with the unique ability to track everyone of their devices. Their products are required to 'phone home' from time to time to be adequately used. This is akin to On-Star knowing where your vehicle is at all times.
When one of my children's iPods were stolen out of her book bag when she was called into a private music test in school, one of the 20 kids remaining in the room stole her iPod. I contacted Apple to report the device stolen and they took down my information, then told me that they don't assist in the device's recovery, even if a police report was filed.
Each year, thens of thousands of people are physically accosted, mugged or have their homes and vehicles broken into to steal such Apple products. Thieves know that Apple will not do anything to help reclaim the devices, so they go on and either resell them or use them on their own.
I visited the Apple Boards and found a surprising set of commentary.
Others have complained about the same thing. Their devices were being stolen and others were able to not only use the devices BUT ORDER CONTENT FROM APPLE AND APPLE WOULD SELL THEM IT AND SEND IT TO THAT VERY SAME DEVICE! Folks were asking why this was, and senior posters replied that Apple was thinking about charging $9.99 a year to have the last 10 IP addresses sent to your local police department, once the police report was filed -- but Apple decided not to do it.
A flurry of comments ensued and the net consensus was:
1) A person who owns an Apple product will likely go out and buy a replacement device and other options.
2) A person who stole it, probably was NOT an Apple customer and will now become indoctrinated in their products and order from them on-line.
It's a WIN - WIN for Apple not to aid their customers, even though that theft exposure puts many at risk of bodily harm.
If the devices were rendered inoperative when an owner reports the device stolen, people would be less inclined to risk arrest trying to take them. Just like how On-Star will assist the police in recovering your vehicle, Apple is in the unique position to do the same.
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Now, getting to something a little more serious:
What is the legal term for aiding a thief to enjoy their stolen merchandise AFTER being notified that the device is stolen?
Accessory After The Fact
If Apple knows a device is stolen, has the means to correct such issue, turns a blind eye to it -AND THEN- allows the thief to use said stolen device... they are aiding the thief in enjoying their ill-gotten gains.
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Folks who defend Apple try to use the old "It's not their responsibility to provide such service" claim.
Yes, it's not their responsibility... it's their civic duty as a 'corporate person' of this country!
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They could easily prevent thousands of crimes and injuries ever year... but for the sake of profits, they look the other way!
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)is the lack of USB/SD slots on the iPad/iPhone.
Otherwise I wouldn't use any other product. IMO Microsoft/Android products are for tinkerers, Apple products are for people who just want a reliable product that just works.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I am not much of a consumer and a little inept with electronics, but I was given an iPod as a gift several years ago and it literally changed my life for the better by opening up a diverse world of music to me.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)but they are grossly over-priced and trendy.
I have an iPhone but am debating the switch to Android.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)I can crack open my PC. I can crack open my Android phone. I can add and subtract and swap components.
Not so much with Apple products.
This irritates me. This is why my only Apple product is a non-critical iPod Nano, and even then, when they changed iTunes to Version 11, I almost launched the fucking thing out the window. It was a multi-hour pain in the ass to reinstall 10.7, and every goddamn day I have iTunes bugging me to upgrade. "Don't show this again" checkbox? Fucking placebo.
Plus, I'd have to re-learn an entire new system, and I see no need to subject myself to the learning curve for no appreciable difference in experience. I'll make mistakes in settings, and privacy, and god knows what else, all for... what?
I surf the web, I write things, I create spreadsheets, I watch videos, I do email. My computer is 9½ years old, and it works fine for what I want to do with it.
I'm not doing computationally-intense things, I'm not in the multimedia business, I don't usually play games, and I don't live on Flicker (Flickr?) or Instagram or Twitter or Facebook or Groupon or Yelp or FourSquare. I'm not taking, uploading, or organizing massive quantities of MM content. I'm not running a web page.
Yeah, I'd like a faster computer, and now that I'm employed, maybe I'll get one after Christmas for myself. A nice new Windows 7 PC with a shitload of hard drive space.
I'm simply not that involved with my computer to the point that all the stuff that Apple is suppose to do in the background will in anyway benefit me. Far more likely, it will make me obsessive and nervous, because I'll always be wondering what it is actually doing.
Make7
(8,543 posts)Under iTunes General Preferences I have the Check for new software updates automatically option unchecked and I disabled the Apple Software Update application from running automatically (although I don't remember where that was - perhaps in the Task Scheduler - there are only a few places it can be, it is not impossible to find). I doubt if it's much different for iTunes 10, but could be mistaken.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)i have a Mac Powerbook,IPad and all my clients are on PC's...never had a problem....
whistler162
(11,155 posts)after you fail to correctly answer their questions.
" For example, I'm the person everyone goes to for help with computer problems. Sometimes I have to take over their computer with TeamViewer. If I had a mac, I wouldn't be able to help them and vice versa. In the past"
http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/mac.aspx - 10 seconds with the Google.
Hating OSX or Windows is like hating palpine hammers and swearing you will only use a claw hammer. Both have their place and do a job they do better than the other.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Morphia
(49 posts)I understand hating people and have a long list of those that I hate but why hate an inanimate object?
I am not an apple fan boy but I do own apple products and apple is what I prefer now for a mobile platform but have a Windows based laptop at home. I just can't justify paying $1000+ for a laptop that will only last a few years before the processor is old and slow when I can get a laptop that will meet my needs for about $300.
Anyway to each their own, may you be happy with whatever you choose.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I have zero interest in an iphone. I find the hype around that and every time when a new model gets released to be very annoying.
I do like PCs, and am comfortable with the Windows environment. I would not buy a Macintosh.
I do have itunes, and an ipod nano that still works and it is many years old. I will probably get an ipod touch to replace it sooner or later, because I do think Apple makes very good portable music players. However, I'm not interested in any of their other products, and yea, the Apple mystique and hype can get pretty annoying.
Notafraidtoo
(402 posts)That it was over priced for less power and less options, it reminds me a lot of designer jeans, sure you can pay 100 bucks for a pair because it has a name on it but its still just denim.
I am tech savoy, i guess that commercial they had with the PC nerd and the cool kid that didn't know how to do anything describes me, i am the PC nerd that knows what i am doing and can do more with less and can handle any issues i might have with ease and that's why i don't get why anyone would use apple products, I mean you could always put Linux on your more powerful PC for 1000 bucks less then the Apple equivalent, To me its a lot like buying a Hummer, doesn't make financial or common sense for most people.
MuseRider
(34,108 posts)I learned on an Apple 2GS. Moved away to PC for my laptops. Went back to Apple because my entire family were fanbois and constantly hassled me. I bought a laptop that burned my legs (oh yes it is not a LAP top it is a DESK or TABLE top) then burned itself out. Bought another because Apple did not stand behind the product, even during the first year when I had a burn on my hand from lifting it without letting it cool down first The second Apple "not laptop" was crap. Internet connection was iffy and all they would say was it was my microwave even though my husband was sitting next to me on his Mac, just like mine, with his net soaring through the pages.
Bought a Samsung Smartphone and love it. Have several other Samsung things that always work and when they don't they get replaced and the CS is outstanding so I bought a Samsung laptop that can sit on my lap, never gets hot and works like a charm. Husband will not replace his Mac's with Mac's after switching to Samsung phones and spending time on my laptop. Even one of my sons has had it with his iPhone and switching as soon as his contract is up.
I love my Samsung laptop enough that the very oddly done Windows 8 does not even bother me. To not have to use iTunes is a joy and I am happy once again with a computer experience.
Those smarmy ads making the PC person look like a nerdy looser were enough to make me never want anything ever to do with them again. Now I don't have to. To be so constantly in need to show off your preference in phone, computer, tablet is just sad. "Oh here, let me get my iPhone (iPad)" I have never heard anyone do that about any other product. It is odd and actually very sad.
sweetloukillbot
(11,010 posts)My wife has an iPad, I have a large capacity iPod and we both have iPhones - I've had no complaints about them and find them more stable than the Android products we've used.
But I like tinkering and customizing my PC and I cannot abide with Macs because of that. If I did more multimedia work maybe, but my main experience has been troubleshooting MacMail which is awful.
Maybe part of it is that their users are less knowledgable about assorted settings (because they don't need to worry about them) or they place too much trust in the reliability of the brand name (I've had customers insist that the problem must be the modem because Airports are made by Apple and therefore the best on the market - even when I had them disconnect it and watch their Internet speeds double), but I find that Macs and Airports are a royal pain to troubleshoot over the phone (and almost as annoying in person!)
d_r
(6,907 posts)i don't hate apple fans. They are tools and they are good fit for some folks, its just not for me. I don't like the propriety nature. I can understand that they cut through windows headaches for some folks, and i can understand why other people don't like them. i think a lot of it is what you get used to.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)This is some hit and run flame bait.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The gadget stuff I just plain can't afford. iPhones are expensive and if you lost one or it got stolen it would suck big time. I don't necessarily hate them, it's more of it doesn't fit my lifestyle.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)or lack there of.
Any company that would patent technology that other phones are already using and have been for years is a whiny baby who can't stand losing market share. How about making your product better and more accessible instead of resorting to dirty tricks. '
Also hate that they are so overpriced. I own an Mac desktop that I bought used at a really good price. I like it a lot, but I would never pay new prices. I only bought the desktop so I could run a particular software.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's the danger of the BSD license.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)grahamhgreen
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madrchsod
(58,162 posts)by the way the iphone's security can be hacked in less than a minute.
Soundman
(297 posts)I bought a new piece of gear that was supposed to work with either apple or PC. I tried several times to get two of my laptops to work and after several attempts I finally managed to get some stability out of one of my desk tops, (had three at the time). Since I needed to be mobile I decided to spend what I felt was way too much for a used MacBook. I brought the Mac home got all of my cables ready, set aside the rest of the day to update the drivers and tweak the settings etc. imagine my dismay when I plugged in the cable and nothing happened. A blueish disk thing spun around for a few moments and that was it. I was furious, here is another friggen failure, I know nothing about apples os. I just new it, wasted even more money I couldn't really afford, fuck it I may as well fire it up any way....,honey guess what? It works. What? Yes it works, I don't know how but I just plugged it in and it works! Hundreds of shows later guess what? I turn it on and plug it in and it works, first time every time and never ever crashes.
Now back to my PC, I have thousands upon thousands of dollars tied up in recording and mastering software. I can't update my windows program due to drm issues. None of my software is compatible period. I am now at the point to where I hate to turn on my PC. My win doze 7 machine needs about 30 minutes to update before I can even use it. (I only turn on my windows 7 PC every two months or so) I still use my xp machine almost daily with no complaints though, save that it really needs some updating.
And for the very same reasons android is a joke too. Hardware manufactures are liable to change up chipsets in the middle of a production run. And chipsets vary from manufacture to manufacture. That is why for most part android (and windows to a point) are bypassed when it comes to apps that control music gear.
Anyway that is my $.02!
sir pball
(4,741 posts)I'm a very old Apple user. Started with an SE in 86 and never looked back. I was more of a fanboi than certain shills here will ever understand (though they're probably getting paid better) - anybody remember the EvangeList back in the 90s?
That being said, Apple under Cook is going to slowly end up as Apple under Spindler/Amelio. They aren't really innovating any more, just incrementally evolving and riding the mindshare to tout really inconsequential gimmicks and gewgaws as revolutions on par with Mac OS and the iPod (sorry guys, a fingerprint scanner isn't groundbreaking)...and more worrisome to me is the two-pronged approach of forcing hardware upgrades through software lockouts along with the now-complete move to an "appliance" approach to computing. Throw enough RAM at a system and there's no reason why any reasonably modern (64-bit) hardware can't run current software - I know how much resources Mavericks uses on my 2011 MacBook and it will run just fine on a lot less. But Apple just has to lock out anything older than four years or so...hm.
Don't even get me started on the new "sleek, thin, light!" MacBooks with literally everything glued or soldered in, what you buy is what you get, forever. Literally completely irreparable, let alone upgradeable. iMacs and the new Pro, too. Cook knows he's no Jobs (I don't deify the man but he was revolutionary in his own right) and the only way to sustain the company now is the smartphone business model - a new sealed box every year.
