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Last edited Thu Mar 8, 2012, 11:44 AM - Edit history (1)
Updated: The original OP title came from the following Daily Kos dairy.
by weatherdude
There's a massively viral video circulating around the internet right now, begging you to help this group stop Joseph Kony -- a legitimately dangerous man who leads the Lord's Resistance Army, which has committed incredible human rights violations.
Here's the 29 minute video that's been circulating the internet this week:
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The "charity" behind the viral (11+ million views in two days) video is called Invisible Children. It seems like a great idea to buy stuff and donate to them after watching the video, but stop and think about what you're doing for a second.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/07/1072266/-Do-NOT-Donate-to-Kony-2012-
In a comment below, Viva_La_Revolution linked to a response by the organization to such criticism:
As you will see, we spend roughly one third of our money on each of these three goals. This three-prong approach is what makes invisible children unique. Some organizations focus exclusively on documenting human rights abuses, some focus exclusively on international advocacy or awareness, and some focus exclusively on, on-the-ground development. We do all three. At the same time. This comprehensive model is intentional and has shown to be very effective.
much more, go read it
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html
The response includes a link to a letter the organization sent to WH:
President Barack Obama
White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20500
Dear President Obama,
This week, Invisible Children in partnership with the Enough Project and Resolve launched KONY 2012, an ambitious advocacy campaign focused on seeing Joseph Kony, the leader of the Lords Resistance Army (LRA) and one of the worlds worst war criminals, brought to justice in 2012. For over two decades, Kony and his senior commanders have been allowed to prey on vulnerable civilians in remote and ungoverned areas of central Africa. Under his direction, the LRA has killed, raped, abducted, and mutilated tens of thousands of civilians in four separate countries. The groups violent activities continue to destabilize the region and displace hundreds of thousands of people. For these crimes, the International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Kony and two other LRA commanders, but they remain at large and a dangerous threat to communities across central Africa.
In May of 2010, we joined you in the Oval Office for the signing of the Lords Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act into law. On that historic day, you recognized the need to renew our commitments and strengthen our capabilities to protect and assist civilians caught in the LRAs wake, to receive those that surrender, and to support efforts to bring the LRA leadership to justice.
The comprehensive White House strategy that you released in November of 2010 to address this issue included a range of measures intended to help reduce and mitigate the effect of LRA violence in the region, and produced new hope for an end to the groups atrocities. Through its implementation, your Administration has helped improve cooperation among regional governments, expanded programs that provide early warning of LRA attack to vulnerable communities, and invested increased resources in efforts to help LRA fighters and abductees defect peacefully. Your decision to deploy U.S. military advisors to the region in October of 2011 was a welcome measure of further assistance for regional governments in their efforts to protect people from LRA attacks. For these actions, we applaud your leadership and encourage sustained commitment.
However, we fear that unless existing U.S. efforts are further expanded, your strategy may not succeed. The Ugandan and other regional militaries pursuing LRA commanders and groups continue to face daunting challenges. Their operations are hamstrung by flagging political will, weak cross-border coordination, the absence of tactical airlift, and the withdrawal of more than half of the Ugandan troops initially deployed to the field. Moreover, bureaucratic inertia and cuts in the U.S. foreign assistance budget have drastically limited the scope of non-military aspects of the strategys implementation, which are equally important to the pursuit of lasting peace in the region.
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https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2241/images/Kony%202012%20-%20Letter%20to%20Obama.pdf
The initial Daily Kos diary was alarming, and it's good to have both sides of the story.
When Limbaugh Backed Mass-Murdering Warlord Joseph Kony
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203070006
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)I don't care how good the cause is, when you've got Inhofe for a spokesman, it's time to look a little deeper into the organization. Just to be safe.
calimary
(81,514 posts)I always look at the people signing on. When the voter pamphlet comes, I look at the bottom of the pages where ballot propositions are argued - to see who's endorsing those arguments, who's putting his or her name on it, and what's their axe to grind. It's like the Sorting Hat in the Harry Potter films. Really sorts things out for me if I have any questions or confusion. Knowing someone like inhofe is supporting this makes me immediately suspicious. If he approves of this, there's got to be something wrong with it.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)is some kind of new thing and is unique to Uganda and Kony. But they've been using child soldiers for decades all over Africa, especially in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Somalia. And right in our own backyard, in Central America.
And the legitimate gov't of Uganda is just as fucked up as Kony. Hence, last year's "Kill the Gays" bill.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)The main purpose of the campaign is to spread word of Kony, make him a household name, and push for nations around the world to bring him to justice. That's admirable.
It's disgraceful that less than 1/3 of what they receive actually goes to helping LRA victims, but hopefully that will change. I won't be donating until they do, but I will stand behind the administration and any others that support bringing this bastard to justice. (And no, that doesn't mean an invasion. The role we're playing now is great.)
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)And if IC turns out to be legit, I'll donate, too.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 8, 2012, 03:48 AM - Edit history (1)
purchased my families tickets to Disneyland for 2012......
You might want to read the other side of the story here.....http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html
before you make any personal decisions to not help defenseless children in Africa......
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)I skimmed into the middle of it to start watching, and was immediately turned off.... because it's very clearly more propaganda than documentary.
But I kept watching, and the thing is - it's not claiming to be anything other than propaganda.
Those numbers look bad, for a traditional charity (I guess? I'm never impressed by charities spend/keep ratio, though I don't know how this compares to average... in any case, it sounds bad). But these people seem to have one purpose, and that is to advertise Joseph Kony and then move the political will forward until the world/USA uses it's military might to capture or kill him.
So I guess I'm not too bothered if they spend every dollar they receive making films and really hip looking advertising to introduce Joseph Kony to the world.
How many hundreds of thousands know of him and his evil today than did yesterday?
How much more freedom to take measured risk do our special forces teams in Uganda have today vs yesterday?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I saw the DKos diary earlier today but I didn't have time to bring it here.
davsand
(13,421 posts)Having said that, however, I doubt I'll be sending them any money or buying any merchandise from them. It's too bad that a worthwhile thing can get sidetracked by stupidity or worse yet--maybe even self promotion or greed. Any non-profit has got to be above reproach when they are asking for money from the public. There is so much need right now--I can only afford to give money to the places I'm confident will spend it wisely.
Laura
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Vietnam started as a bunch of "advisers," and the last thing anyone needs is a guerilla war in Africa.
Why is the UN not going in there?
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It's subtle, but they talk about "improving intelligence with the advisors" toward the end there. That means using drones.
I'm sort of conflicted on that count, because if you can take out Kony's group, that's great.
But drones are incapable of targeting so effectively, and targeted killing is immoral anyway.
RZM
(8,556 posts)There's a lot of shady fundraising out there. The SPLC's endowment is a whopping $216 million. Type 'Morris Dees house' into google image if you want to see where some of that has gone. And Harvard? That's 32 billion, earning about 21 percent a year, just like Mitt.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2011/09/harvard-university-endowment-earns-21-4-percent-return-for-fiscal-year/
I don't think I could give to an organization that would do that with my money. I would want to see it used to help people, not go into a fund that grows to the size of a king's ransom.
Response to ProSense (Original post)
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OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)they're specifically asking for the video to be shared.
Everyone seems to agree the video is good and raises awareness; how to act on the issue is where people may differ.
I'm really stunned by the backlash of their attempt to raise awareness about this issue.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)and wanted to post, although I haven't yet had a chance to read it and can't until later. In case anyone is interested:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)link to their reply, which covers all the complaints I've seen in this thread. I've never seen such uniformed opinions on DU just spouting off without doing a little more research
..Invisible Childrens mission is to stop LRA violence and support the war affected communities in Central Africa. These are the three ways we achieve that mission. Each is essential: 1) Document and make the world aware of the LRA. This includes making documentary films and touring these films around the world so that they are seen for free by millions of people. 2) Channeling the energy and awareness from informed viewers of IC films into large scale advocacy campaigns that have mobilized the international community to stop the LRA and protect civilians. 3) Operate programs on the ground in the LRA-affected areas to provide protection, rehabilitation and development assistance.
As you will see, we spend roughly one third of our money on each of these three goals. This three-prong approach is what makes invisible children unique. Some organizations focus exclusively on documenting human rights abuses, some focus exclusively on international advocacy or awareness, and some focus exclusively on, on-the-ground development. We do all three. At the same time. This comprehensive model is intentional and has shown to be very effective.
much more, go read it
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I'll update the diary.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)Suddenly you are worried about 'where' the money is spent...????
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Suddenly you are worried about 'where' the money is spent...???? "
How exactly do you know my views on "'where' the money is spent"?
The OP is warning of a possible scam. Are you implying that scams are OK?