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[Joel thakkar]

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[NightWatcher]

1. Ask the people near Fukishima about the low price of clean, safe nuclear power

[aquart]

2. It's your money or your life. Your children's lives. So which is more important?

Pro-fracking propaganda on DU. Such a treat.

[randome]

3. Yeah, I know. Money is more important than health.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[G_j]

4. "cheap" is not the solution

it's that kind of thinking that put us where we are.

[Scuba]

5. "... cheaper fossil fuel-based power ..." means they're hiding the true cost.

NYT: Burning fossil fuels costs the United States about $120 billion a year in health costs

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/science/earth/20fossil.html?_r=2&

[magical thyme]

24. don't forget the couple trillion in wars...

Or does anybody out there still really believe we attacked Iraq to "liberate" the the Iraqi people?

[Scuba]

28. Yes, thank you.

[n2doc]

6. pay now or pay later

[Katashi_itto]

7. Total BS

They are getting free electricty days in Germany because there is so much extra now.

[dmosh42]

9. I tend to agree with your assessment. Sounds like a 'Fux news' release.

[LuvNewcastle]

8. Everybody's power bills around here went up 20% this year.

The power company is building a new plant and we're being stuck with the cost. There aren't any power plants using renewable energy around here.

[bhikkhu]

10. Europe's renewable energy push wasn't about lowering costs

...so the OP's title is misinformation.

[Joel thakkar]

12. I just posted the title of the article n/t

[tjwash]

11. This OP brought to you from CITIBANK

Nice - pro fracking and anti-renewable energy propaganda on DU, with a fucking stamp from a bank-cartel that gets a large chunk of its assets from OPEC, right on it.

That steaming pile of BS doesn't even deserve a rebuttal.

[intaglio]

13. So business insider wants "business as usual" and to ignore climate change

Yes, there are subsidies in effect, the biggest of them being the nuclear levy.

Now check the problems of gas production, notably that European production of gas is falling and any most new supplies have to be imported or produced by the disgustingly polluting process of hydro-fracking.

[eqfan592]

14. I loved this in the comments section...

"Alternative Headline:

'The world's reliance on the US military to keep open the supply lines of expensive but replaceable petroleum has completely backfired, and prices are returning to their historical average.'"

But overall, something about this entire story smells a lot like a massive pile of bullshit.

[eqfan592]

16. Went and found a different article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/05/eu-energy-bills-idUSL5N0IL4DI20131105

A couple of select quotes:

In Germany, renewable energy support costs have risen this year to 20.4 billion euros from 1.9 billion euros a decade ago, energy association BDEW said, but industry, which uses most of the energy, doesn't shoulder its fair share of those costs.

Legally binding targets to lower carbon emissions by 2020 mean that energy markets need to become cleaner, but the utilities say they cannot afford to finance the costs, so these will increasingly find their way onto customers' bills.

Yep, there's the bullshit right there.

[CreekDog]

15. they are lower than 5 years ago

[procon]

17. The data is incomplete

There is no indication if the data reflects wholesale or retail prices, and it's a deceptive comparison to tout the lower cost of natural gas in the US to other countries who do not giveaway generous tax-payer funded subsidies to prop up the profit margins of the energy extraction industries.



Also omitted is the costs related to the practice of fracking, which is severely restricted or banned in most other countries, so if those cost factors related to the impact of fracking on local communities and the environment were included, what would the actual US prices be?

[JaneyVee]

18. Skyrocketing? Seems like they've somewhat stabilized, even lower than 2008.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. My bills just went up, again, by 10%

Trust me, I wish I was in Europe.

[NightWatcher]

20. Do us a favor and delete this BULLSHIT that you won't even comment on or defend

The "I'm just posting an article" line is a tired one. There's volumes of shit out there that we all decide not to share everyday.

If you're going to post something, at least comment on it or defend it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Oh there are scads I no longer share here

Like 99% of it.

This though is a puurfect example, as in textbook, of AstroTurf.

[ieoeja]

21. Goal: lower CO2 emissions. Result: lower CO2 emissions. Backfire: ???????

[solarhydrocan]

23. Could one answer to the energy problem be right under our noses?

Watch this and see how hydrogen can be extracted from water (H2O) and stored like propane

Honda is gearing up
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/hondas-home-garage-gadget-heres-your-solar-hydrogen-fueling-station/3631



A hydrogen gas station

[sibelian]

25. I've never understood why they don't just find better ways to collect the waste...

But I suppose there's no easy way of collecting all that carbon dioxide rather than pumping it up into the sky...

[Zorra]

26. Your fracking concerns are noted. nt

[Champion Jack]

27. The OP is bullshit

[Scuba]

29. Welcome to DU, Joel. Hope you're not surprised that DUers can see through the bullshit.