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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCompanies' cancellation of existing health insurance policies continues
It's now hitting the news more often and the nation will soon be much more widely aware of it. It's the next series of hearings on the Hill, without doubt.
The cancellation of existing policies is spreading around the country, as insurance companies seem to be using ACA as an excuse/reason for cancelling existing policies and offering their former customers a choice -- pay higher premium for new policies or bye-bye.
This isn't Obama-hate and crap like that. This is real stuff actually happening to hundreds of thousands of people (300,000+ in California alone), soon to be millions nationwide. It directly contradicts what the President said about people keeping their existing policies. This has nothing to do with any GOP troublemaking. It's a real event. The White House is going to have to face it and get a handle on where they are on the issue. Again, it's really there.
randr
(12,412 posts)was and continues to be the problem
hooverville29
(163 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)Did the insurance companies betray Obama? Did they say they wouldn't do this in 2009 and 2010 when the ACA was being negotiated? Or is it that because of the ACA, they can't sell bad policies that they used to be able to sell? Naturally, "decent" insurance costs more. That would explain both the cancellations and the higher price.
Anybody know what's really going on?
-Laelth
shraby
(21,946 posts)hooverville29
(163 posts)Even if the Dems keep the Senate, remember the 60 vote rule? Odds are the GOP will squeak by in the House, if for no reason other than the usual mid-term result. Anyhow, it's really unlikely we could get the legislation.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Most NORMAL RATIONAL people understand that to mean that regular workers on employment based insurance aren't going to be forced onto other plans by Obamacare. And they are not being forced.
MOST people understand that to mean People won't be pushed off of Medicare or Medicaid.
This law helps the eternally stupid by not allowing insurance companies to sell them shitty non insurance.
hooverville29
(163 posts)he's in right now. They allowed him to take a position that was way too general and broad. Now they'll have to 'explain' and narrow what he said.
This was done very clumsily and doesn't make the Prez look good in the eyes of many ordinary who simply took what he said to mean what the words ordinarily mean. Unfortunately, that won't keep it from really pissing off a lot of people who did take what the President said at face value and now have to pay higher premiums, which contradicts another expectation most have -- ACA won't make my insurance cost more, etc. For some, it will, and there will be a political price to pay for that, like it or not.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)By the White House and Congressional Dems. They weighed the "anger index" against the "ecstatic index" and decided on balance the U.S. population would approve of ACA impacts.
I agree with that assessment and think this is overblown by media hounds and GOP shitbags.
hooverville29
(163 posts)where they are. This one has a tough row to hoe. We'll see how it'll break out. Is it a done deal that everything will work and Americans will line up behind it with enthusiasm? No, not a done deal at all. We'll see how it breaks out.
hooverville29
(163 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)People are sheep. They are going off of vague info they are hearing. When people are signed up through 2014 and the other pieces kick in fully, this will be a VERY popular program. Right now, low information people are listening to morons.
hooverville29
(163 posts)Those 'morons' and 'low intelligence' people are American citizens who vote and used to be championed by the Democratic Party. You'd better pray that this works when it rolls out -- and works in the eyes of the *majority* of the American people, not just a minority who obtain a special advantage.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)He originally told audiences they needed to stop it because people would like it and wouldn't want to give it up.
What do you think the shutdown was about? GOP is scared shitless. Which is why they and all their many drones are today spending energy trying to talk it down.
Morganfleeman
(117 posts)This law is designed to fail. It is predicated on having large numbers of young people sign up. Frankly, may young people are going to look at the prices and take a punt, because even with subsidies, the pricing is significantly higher than before. Any economic actor is going to look at the cost of the fine vs of the cost of insurance and many will take the fine. You have to make the fine punitive enough to force people to choose insurance, because someone who is healthy may take the risk and forego insurance. And even worse, they'll sign up for insurance when they get sick, which will drive prices higher.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)You either don't know what you are talking about or are here to purposefully mislead.
Morganfleeman
(117 posts)Use your brain. We're tallking about common sense predictions based on a flawed model. What's inaccurate about the assumption that a rational actor will choose a fine over a buying insurance which they may not feel they need or that they can acquire when they are sick?
This law will implode in on itself when you don't see the requisite signups. In a way, maybe that's a good thing, as it can pave the way to a single payer model, but unfortunately there will be a steep price to pay in the interim The most likely to sign up are those with pre-existing conditions, which also happen to be the most expensive to care for. Without sufficient young people to subsidize those higher risk groups, premiums necessarily must go up. This was Obama's own argument during the 2008 presidential debates when he eschewed the individual mandate.
Let's not forget this whole bill is modeled on the Heritage Foundation principles. It's a fellating of the insurance industry, plain and simple. Single payer is progressive, the ACA is not.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)maybe do a DU limited google search.
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)the reason policies are being cancled and blamed
on ACA, is those policies did not meet the standards
set by ACA. so now you have more complete coverage
and of course since it covers more, it costs more.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)these policies were junk.
hooverville29
(163 posts)and they're going to be pissed at having to pay more or be uninsured. When they bought those 'junk' policies, nobody warned them that the federal government would come along and take them away (and that is definitely the way people directly hit will look at it). The Prez should never been set up to make the broad assurance he did. It was done clumsily.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)hooverville29
(163 posts)purely to satisfy ideology. They won't accept that. They'll wait until they see an advantage for themselves, and then they'll like it. Paying more isn't an advantage, as such, depending on what it buys (remember the deductible). We'll see how it 'rolls out.'
treestar
(82,383 posts)Ordinary consumers should be subject to caveat emptor more, shouldn't they? If they chose to just take what their employer offered rather than shop around, that's their "right" isn't it?
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)If they got seriously ill or injured under one of those junk policies, they could cough up tens of thousands of dollars and then go bankrupt.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Heck, one of the ones highlighted explicitly told the purchaser that they needed to buy real health insurance in addition to that policy. It was designed to only pay the co-pays for a "real" health insurance policy.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)to portray yourself as a Democrat.
Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)ReverendDeuce
(1,643 posts)My policy was exceptionally good for me. I had to use it two years ago for a severe leg injury. I received the best care in the area, complete physical therapy, and made a 100% recovery. My total bills would have been about $80,000. I paid up to my $1,500 deductible and that was it.
My current plan, which ACA kills as of January 1st:
~$150/mo, $1500 deductible, and a 0% co-pay.
My new ACA-approved "recommended plan" is now:
~$240/mo, $3000 deductible, and a 50% co-pay.
But at least I have, as an adult male, maternity and pediatric dental/vision until I am 19, right? Right? RIGHT?!
unblock
(52,241 posts)we've already heard stories about some companies moving employees to part-time status to avoid the issue.
some other companies are dropping health insurance coverage altogether and instead giving employees a small cash benefit toward private insurance. my take on this is that this is painful in the short run but ultimately will make the arguments for single payer stronger. so, an ugly path to the right end.
as for the insurance companies, they will continue to do their best to extract the most and pay out the least, and the tactics you note are par for the course.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)where being a woman is a pre-exsiting condition, where acne at age16 is a pre-exsiting condition that with which they can deny you your chemo, you mean those policies?
hooverville29
(163 posts)And now those faulty policies are being cancelled, and those people are uninsured totally (how's that for a fault) unless they pay higher premiums for a policy. Lots of people are above that subsidy level, by the way, and it is turning out that some will in fact pay a bundle for insurance and won't be able to afford it.
Nobody ever told them that would be what would happen when this all started. That wasn't what the President said in his reassurance. This whole thing was done very, very clumsily by White House staff in the way they allowed the Prez to be trotted out to make assurances that Sibelius should make. Then later, she can be fired if it goes too wrong. This has been very clumsy.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)now people have to pay for insurance they wont get dropped from
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)that people may have had for a reason. Maybe some people will never, ever need maternity coverage, birth control, or other things that they will now be forced to pay for because it is mandatory that they are covered.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)as life insurance policies..mostly worthless...unless you get struck by lightning on the 3rd Tuesday of any month ending in "q".
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)How hard would it have been to say that if your plan met the new requirements, you could keep it?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)The plans you are discussing embody my core belief that Americans should have better choices for health insurance, building on the principle that if they like the coverage they have now, they can keep it, Barack Obama, Letter to Senate Democrat Leaders, June 2, 2009
Americans must have the freedom to keep whatever doctor and health care plan they have Barack Obama, Remarks on Health Care, Washington, D.C., June 11, 2009
No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health care reform should be guided by a simple principle: fix whats broken and build on what works. Barack Obama, Address to the AMA, June 15, 2009
Theres no doubt that we have to preserve whats best in the health care system, and that means allowing Americans who like their doctor and like their health care plan to keep their plan. And thats going to be a priority for us. Barack Obama, Remarks at Northern Virginia Community College, Annandale, VA, July 1, 2009
I know a lot of Americans who are satisfied with their health care right now are wondering what reform would mean for them, so let me be clear: If you like your doctor or health care provider, you can keep them. If you like your health care plan, you can keep that too. Barack Obama, Remarks on Health Care, Washington, D.C., July 15, 2009
And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health care reform should be guided by a simple principle: fix whats broken and build on what works. Barack Obama, Holmdel, NJ, July 16, 2009
Those who oppose reform will also tell you that under our plan, you wont get to choose your doctor, that some bureaucrat will choose for you. Thats also not true. Michelle and I dont want anyone telling us who our familys doctor should be, and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period. End of story. Barack Obama, Weekly Address, July 18, 2009
If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. Barack Obama, Town Hall Meeting, August 11, 2009
No matter what youve heard, if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it. Barack Obama, Weekly Radio Address, August 15, 2009
If you like your doctor, youre going to be able to keep your doctor. If you like your plan, keep your plan. I dont believe we should give government or the insurance companies more control over health care in America. I think its time to give you, the American people, more control over your health. Barack Obama, Speech George Mason University, March 19, 2009
If you already have health insurance through your job and because many of you are members of unions, you do nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change your coverage or your doctor. Let me repeat: Nothing in this plan will require you to change your coverage or your doctor. Barack Obama, Address to the AFL-CIO Convention, September 15, 2009
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/08/05/airbrushing-away-the-numerous-false-promises-of-obama-care/
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)They were disaster plans. Not comprehensive health plans.
Why are you so interested in pushing this? Do you want to see Obama fail? Do you want to see ACA fail?
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Skink
(10,122 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Here's some other of that author's work:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/10/17/the-tea-party-victory/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/09/23/the-problem-is-obesity-not-hunger-thoughts-on-the-food-stamps-debate/
Facts are the enemy of the crisisists. Therefore, we hear few of them, and the facts we hear are distorted beyond recognition. In this case, the facts speak for themselves: The United States, and increasingly the affluent world, has a crisis not of hunger but of obesity. The hunger crisis is a clever fabrication to serve political and commercial interests. If the hunger lobbys facts are true, our hunger rates equal those of the poorest African and Asian countries.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)I am, and have always been, opposed to the individual mandate. The legislation could have stood on its own as necessary reform for insurance holders. Not sure that makes me a 'troll.'
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Republicans demand to delay the individual mandate, using their precise arguments, within minutes of their decision to make that demand.
And here you are citing a Teahadist who denies there are hungry people in America in order to attack the ACA.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)I've seen articles posted here over the years, but if there's been a change I can delete my post
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Deal with it! Elections have consequences!!!! Hahahahhaha!!!!
No matter what you, as one insignificant individual thinks about him, Obama is still president until January 2017.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)wouldn't have to ask such questions.
Unfortunately, at DU it appears that folks like you are allowed to cite Tea Party authors to make your points to your hearts' content.
But, those of us not attempting to sabotage the ACA in order to help the Koch brothers are free to call you out.
Larry Kudlow says jump:
The individual mandate is the heart of Obamacare. And a years delay would give the GOP its last chance to stop this statist, government-controlled model of health care and replace it with a private-sector, pro-competition, patient-power alternative. But in the next couple of days, the GOP has to make the sale.
You ask, how high?
http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3752682
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Can 'folks like me' still quote it?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)until it gets to "enough is enough" territory.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)I'd find that surprising. I see articles posted from Forbes all the time
I really do think you and your friend are confusing me with some other user
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Miss, Dude, Sir, Lady, whatever... I think you're mistaking me for someone else
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that the individual mandate be delayed by a year.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)??
I agreed with Obama when he campaigned against Hillary's insurance individual mandate
I'm still against it
And I still believe the ACA has excellent and necessary reforms for insurance consumers
Can I go now?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)10. Obamacare is scary enough without this
Forcing people to hand their money over to FOR-PROFIT insurance companies
No public option
Allowing states to opt-out of medicaid expansion
No controls over rates
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)What is your problem?
Yes that's my post. There's nothing wrong with it
If you spent as much time stalk...researching other members posts here, you'd find many people making similar statements
hughee99
(16,113 posts)You don't see that every day.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)than their current junk plans, and even more to the point plans stop getting renewed by insurers all the time.
But, the leftwing collaborators with the Tea party find the issue of quality of plans offered to be immaterial, since their common goal is to scrap the ACA and go back to the pre-2009 status quo.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Once the ACA came into play, all NEW policies had to comply with basic minimums.
It's still the case that anyone who has the policy they had before the ACA became law can keep that plan.
hooverville29
(163 posts)to fall all over themselves to reward those in a system which takes money away from them, whether it be private, governmental, or a combination.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Hoo
hooverville29
(163 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)but then we both know that's not what you meant..
What's that I hear?? Mom calling you up from the basement for lunch
ReverendDeuce
(1,643 posts)Yes, there are junk policies out there. But most states don't allow them to be sold.
I had a perfectly good health insurance plan (well, I will have it until Jan 1st) with a ~$150/mo premium with 0% co-pay and a $1,500 deductible. I had no maternity (I'm male so why do I need this?) and am over the age of 19 (no need for pediatric dental/vision).
It's through Blue Cross and I had used it two years ago for $80,000 worth of broken leg repairs and recovery.
The new ACA plan they are putting me into is absolutely terrible by comparison. To get something similar to what I have today, I'd need to buy the only platinum plan offered in my state which is over $400/mo.
There are lots of people in states where junk policies can't be sold where the ACA has enabled insurance companies to stick it to customers.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Nothing happens until Jan, so things will probably work out.... Perhaps your boss will offer coverage that's better priced for you..or maybe you'll find one on the ACA site when things are up and running..
Everyone's running around with their hair on fire about something that's not even in effect yet, and about which the details are sketchy because of the website thing..
Read up on "the commons".. perhaps something will click for you..
Decent societies pool resources & care for each other.. Most here at DU are not selfish GOP types who care only about ourselves.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)what a good policy is. That seems to be what I'm reading here, that the people with canceled policies all had shitty policies and didn't know the difference.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)health care options is duly noted.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Rather than disagreeing or agreeing with what I said (that the people who LIKE their plans and want to keep them, really LIKE crappy plans and can't tell the difference), you implied that I'm pushing the Tea Party line so as not to have to address the point. If we had a smart fella like you on this from the get-go, I'm sure we could have made sure the President didn't make statements that would come back and bite him in the ass later.
As to my objection to improving people's healthcare, I didn't see that ANYWHERE in my post, but go ahead, what's a few straw men between DUers.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and regulation of the insurance market, and that those who seek to regulate by requiring minimum standards are looking down their noses at people who buy policies that fall beneath those standards.
what a good policy is. That seems to be what I'm reading here, that the people with canceled policies all had shitty policies and didn't know the difference.
It's classic free market bullshit combined with populist resentment towards big gubmint liberals by claiming that trying to regulate the market means that liberals don't respect purchasers.
And it's not at all surprising to hear this nonsense coming from someone rooting for the ACA to fail, and who endorsed the House Republicans' call to delay the individual mandate by one year:
http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3752682
(you're on record voting "yes" to whether Obama should have caved to the House GOP on the delay).
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I wasn't the one who promised people would be able to keep their plans if they liked them. A better promise WOULD have been "We're going to get rid of all the crappy plans on the market and give you a choice between GOOD plans"... but that's not the promise he made.
As for what I'm "on record" for, Here's what my link actually says (if you read it, you probably wouldn't have thought it so clever to post it)...
" So they're going to force people into the market but delaying many of the consumer protections?
I'm unclear why people think mandating coverage under such circumstances is going to help anyone. You want to give the ACA a bad name from the start? Spend a year forcing people into a market where the insurance companies can charge high rates for little or no coverage and a high deductible, and I don't think it's going to make the rest of the ACA any easier to get implemented."
I'm ON RECORD for not forcing people into an insurance program this year while delaying PROTECTIONS for those consumers. This is me, in FAVOR of consumer protection for people. I didn't support delaying the employer or insurance company regulations, but IF you're going to delay those two, why should you force consumers into the market without these protections? You seem to be the one that is in support of mandating health insurance while delaying legislation to limit their out-of-pocket costs.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of consumer protections in them, and then turn around and complain that a small segment of the market (employer-based plans, not those sold in the exchanges) had those plans grandfathered in with a 1-year waiver of one specific consumer protection.
You're arguing with yourself.
And, you grossly exaggerate to the point of dishonesty by suggesting/implying that the ACA's consumer protections had all been delayed, when instead it was a small segment that saw a 1 year delay for one specific protection.
Your agenda is quite clear.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)that the consumer protections that were delayed were the cap on out-of-pocket expenses.
See the last line in my post. "You seem to be the one that is in support of mandating health insurance while delaying legislation to limit their out-of-pocket costs."
Any by the way, I NEVER complained about plans being discontinued, I complained that the president seems to have made a promise that he didn't keep, one that the repukes are now using to hammer him.
I think the issue here is that you're arguing with yourself. You seem to be adding words or ideas to my post that aren't there (or removing ones that are), and then complaining about them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that (a) a small subset of employer plans received a one-year waiver on one particular protection and were grandfathered in; and (b) Obama's a big fat liar for keeping the other protections in place, thus knocking out all plans enacted after the ACA was passed that didn't comply with those protections.
The president promised in 2008-2009 that people who liked the insurance they had then would be able to keep it--that promise was kept via the grandfathering. He did not promise that all plans created AFTER it became law would exist in perpetuity. that would have meant promising zero consumer protections.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I simultaneously complained that a one-year waiver was granted on a provision that would protect some people AND that the president made a promise that the repukes can use to attack him with because what he said "isn't really what he meant".
I have NOT argued that consumer protection ISN'T needed or that I wasn't in favor of it. I have NOT argued that plans that don't cover almost anything should be allowed. I have NOT objected to improving people's health care options. I have NOT suggested that all consumer protections have been delayed, and I have NOT argued that when the president said:
No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health care reform should be guided by a simple principle: fix whats broken and build on what works. Barack Obama, Address to the AMA, June 15, 2009
he meant anything other than that. I didn't see anything in his speech to lead me to believe otherwise (in case you're worried about context, HERE's the speech).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/15/obama-ama-speech-full-tex_n_215699.html
The president should have been clearer in what he was promising and instead it looks like he provided the repukes a club to beat him with. Your issue with me (and others) seems to be just that we're pointing out that the repukes are trying to do just that and that pointing it out puts us "on their side".
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is impossible. He was going to get tripped up.
Not very productive to validate the rightwing criticisms, much better to push back and explain.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Read his/her posts
Ridiculous!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is sticking up for each other. How cute.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)I hope you did, too
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)* provided your existing insurance doesn't suck ass.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Sad to see so many DUers carrying that same brand of water, but whatever. It's predictable enough.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)maintain their current plans.
Insurers can still cancel any plan type they want, just like they always could, and did.
gerogie1
(15 posts)There are going to be changes in any new government program. The reason people are upset is that they are unable to shop the online health care exchanges to find health insurance and how much a subsidy/tax credit they will receive. I live in Oregon my present health insurance is $250 per month with a $10,000 per incident deductible and no prescriptions or doctor visits coverage. My new ACA health care coverage from a private health insurer has a $5,000 yearly deductible and prescription coverage. The costs is $290.00 per month, but with the tax credit it is $175 per month.
People are just looking at the prices provided by their health insurance company without shopping the public health exchanges and finding out what their subsidy is and they do not know about extra help for copays also.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)It is the BEST piece of mail I've received this month. No more overcharging me for no coverage for my son.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Well, those people had no right to be "happy" with those plans that were not ACA compliant. Those people are too stupid to understand that they were being ripped off by having a plan we don't think is adequate. They weren't really happy, they just thought they were due to their mis-guided notions. We here on DU are much smarter than those people, and they WILL be happy with the mandated ACA approved plans we helped get enacted into law. Period.
ETA: And don't worry, they WILL also be happy with us when they go to the polls in 2014 and 2016.
Hard to tell here some days. Lol.
EC
(12,287 posts)with worthless policies. I didn't know there were so many bad policies out there.
TBF
(32,062 posts)many folks are posting this.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)and the fact that insurers are seeking to align their products a risk pools accordingly? Either you don't understand how insurance works or you are fine with the unwell masses forever being shut out out of healthcare.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)where they work (has great insurance) and that their health and their career are no longer connected...it SHOULD be a great relief to the person with common sense.
No longer can a boss lord over you your insurance policy or cut hours to make sure you don't have one!
Think about it, YES the site needs a lot of work BUT this could turn into the greatest gift the working class has received since LBJ was in office!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)It could take YEARS to get everything running right...but it is all worth it! Glad you and your son got coverage! No more worrying about work AND the impact it has on your health or vice versa! If it was me, I would find some insurance on the ACA exchange and cancel all ties between my boss and my health ASAP! As it is, I am going to check on some insurance in a few months, I have VA if I need it but want more coverage.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)this is going to be a HUGE fucking problem for Democrats. It is NOT about the realities of better coverage or anything else but what is in this statement by President Obama:
No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health-care reform should be guided by a simple principle: Fix whats broken and build on what works.
If millions have their current policies cancelled and face increased premiums for new plans it will be a problem for Democrats. This is not rocket science! Writing a campaign ad that offers that Pres. Obama's above statement was not true is about as simple a soundbite as any GOP candidate could hope to offer and if history is any guide, it WILL resonate with voters.
If the Obama Admin. KNEW that the basic ACA requirements would lead the insurance company's to cancel current policies and offer ACA compliant policies at a higher rates and they made statements like the one Pres. Obama made in the above snippet they have created a very large problem for Democrats. This could be a "read my lips" level political catastrophe.
Lifelong Dem
(344 posts)Thanks to Obama we now have minimum standards for insurance.
Standards
Ambulatory patient services (outpatient care you get without being admitted to a hospital)
Emergency services
Hospitalization (such as surgery)
Maternity and newborn care (care before and after your baby is born)
Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment (this includes counseling and psychotherapy)
Prescription drugs
Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices (services and devices to help people with injuries, disabilities, or chronic conditions gain or recover mental and physical skills)
Laboratory services
Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
Pediatric services
https://www.healthcare.gov/what-does-marketplace-health-insurance-cover/
When you take the subsidy, insurance would cost even less than your junk insurance.
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023942430
I know, the BS is more interesting.
Sarah 979
(1 post)October 28, 2013
Why the health reform law is causing thousands to lose coverage
Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.
The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1. Most are ending policies sold after the law passed in March 2010. At least a few are cancelling plans sold to people with pre-existing medical conditions.
By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 "essential" benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers' annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It does not contradict what the President said. The contract is between the person and the company. Obama said the person was not forced to opt out. The insurance company always could. Don't fall for illogical conclusions.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)These are not really "cancellation letters." They are recall notices for faulty, worthless products. "Insurance" that really insures nothing isn't a bargain, no matter what the lying corporate fucks tell you.
Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)Those policies charged money but delivered nothing. I hope they keep cancelling such policies.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Personally I think Heath insurance companies should all be shut down and we should have Medicare for all. No one should have to pay a company that makes a profit off the suffering of others. No one should be denied care because they can't afford it.