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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI really hate "god bless america" at every fucking ball game.
Osama bin laden did this to us. He wrecked this country with a bag of box cutters.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It's phony and annoying.
Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)+1
broiles
(1,370 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)made me feel as if I was part of something bigger during a game.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)And baseball has a long history as an American institution.
Permission granted to love baseball and hate corruption of baseball.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Thanks!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)My mom wasn't even a baseball fan, but enjoyed the tune. She used to have a singalong with us in the car when we were commuting from CT to upstate NY during the late 60's. She was also a big Peter, Paul and Mary fan. My sister and I used to give the peace sign out the window of the car to all passing traffic. I remember being ecstatic when the hippies and bikers would give us the sign back. My mom thought it was hilarious! I recall being frightened by the angry yell from a car window by the occasional con on the road. Usually they just looked at us disgustedly. We were amused
time sure speeds up with age.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I told my son,"Seeing as this is not the anthem for our country, you can leave your hat firmly on your head if you wish. But good job remembering to take it off for the 'Star Spangled Banner.'"
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Then, in 1938, he added the intro.
BOLD is mine.
"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
There is lots of historical info here-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Bless_America
At a minor league game several years ago, very low minor league, small ball park, I got up after the top of the 7th to go to the can and get something to eat. They started playing GBA. I was wearing the home team baseball cap and just kept walking. As I started to walk out under/between the stands, some old fart leaned over the ledge above me, shouted take off that hat, you Commie! He then spit on me. Rather than climbing the stairs and punching his fucking face in, after which I probably would have had the living hell beat out of me by his buddies, I told the general manager about it. He followed me back inside, I pointed the guy out to him and he threw him out.
But, I now always either make a fast exit or give in and 'uncover."
Plus, they always play Take me Out To The Ballgame after the prayer.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Thanks for sharing it.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)I would have said, "F*** o**!" but your son was present - so well done. I also believe in removing your cover for the national anthem.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They changed that rule....probably because it's second nature for someone with a military background to do that anyway!
http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-05_veterans.asp
Its official: Veterans of the Armed Forces, in uniform or in civilian attire, may render the military salute during hoisting, lowering, or passing of the United States flag. Section 9 Title 4 of the United States Code was amended to reflect such action when the U.S. President signed HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 into law on January 28, 2008.
U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) praised the passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag, even while not covered.
I look forward to seeing those who have served saluting proudly at baseball games, parades, and formal events, he said. I believe this is an appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans in the United States who have served in the military and remain as role models to others citizens. Those who are currently serving or have served in the military have earned this right, and their recognition will be an inspiration to others.
All veterans should hand salute the flag, instead of holding hand over heart, to show to all that they are veterans instead of civilians who havent served. And if covered, you dont have to remove your hat to salute in honored respect for your military service. Indoors or outdoors, this rule applies; in uniform or in civilian clothes, this rule applies.
Civilians who havent served should still remove their hat and hold it or their hand over their heart.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)It always has been played. Obl had nothing to fo eith it.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...and it still isn't unless Faux covers the games it seems...i know they don't sing it at Wrigley at all...
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)It for the national anthem.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)It's been played at Yankee Stadium and several other parks since 9-11
Wrigley (and several other parks) do "Take Me Out To The Ballgame"
Miller Park (Milwaukee) plays "The Beer Barrel Polka" (a.k.a. "Roll Out The Barrel"
It began after 9/11.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)Coincided with the spike in church going.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)They didn't used to play it at County Stadium or at Tigers Stadium for that matter. The problem I have is how many people demand that other people remove their hats for "our nation's song." It is not, nor has it ever been, anything more than a song. Hats do not need to be taken off for it as they do for the SSB. (and the seats in right field at Comerica are pretty much sunburn alley, so a hat is a necessity)
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)I like that one better.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)the other night, but started it with the first line from ATB.
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... he starts with America the Beautiful then morphed it into the Star Spangled Banner, IIRC.
It was actually very well done & nobody ever said the 2 songs need to stay separate.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,422 posts)Could it be that a certain team is undefeated in Big 12 Conference play?
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)one of the ones we sang in school when I was a child (grammar school).
Only the first verse, and I never knew there were other verses to it till years later.
In fact, it was originally a poem written in 1893
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_the_Beautiful
But anyway, part of a later verse always makes me weepy...
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
It always did, but even more now, after 9/11.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Initech
(100,102 posts)It was bullshit added to the game during the George Bush era. That era is long over, and everything associated with it needs to go away!
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)And then there is the same problem with this song that there is with athletes who seek divine assistance. Why would the ludicrous Bronze Age mythological sky being Yahweh favor America over for example Brazil? Why Tim Tebow over Peyton Manning? It is just plain stupid.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Remember, God is love!*
*except for when The Deity is smiting, bringing pestilence, destroying parts of the Midwest with tornados, causing or failing to prevent tsunamis, slaughtering children, and inflicting Ted Nugent on us all
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)After 9/11, I believe the song was implemented at all parks (minus Wrigley) during the 7th inning stretch. It would be interesting to find out how this decision was made. Anyway, it is a religious song and it is insulting to those of us who believe we are a global community as opposed to an Us and Them mentality. God Bless America and to hell with everyone else is what I hear.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I appreciate it.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)because he won't join in on the attack of people exercising their first amendment rights.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)DireStrike
(6,452 posts)I never watch ball games. Snorefest.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)2 hours of mindless activity on the playing field and all this worry about the 60 seconds before the kickoff.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)...that will tweak the outcome of a game in favor of those who sing louder.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And nations... and economics... and philosophies... which are all nothing but a projection of little more than imagination and nothing else.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,463 posts)They have to listen to it, like, 162 times a year!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)probably had more different lyrics written to it than any other and is quite catchy, and even Canada managed to come up with a stirring and pleasant melody. How the fuck did we end up with this ugly, dated exercise in Victorian Somnambulance?
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's all you need.
Iggo
(47,565 posts)Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)The Star Spangled Banner is not the easiest song (how many people actually try to sing it while an orchestra plays it?)
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)As I'm not a baseball fan, I had no idea they were playing this song.
Totally bizarre.
Ino
(3,366 posts)Sometimes an announcer says, "Please stand for Blah-Blah singing 'God Bless America.'
I blame Congress for this, gathering on the steps of the Capitol to sing it on 9/11. That's who started it.
Now no one can stop for fear of being unpatriotic.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)labeled "unpatriotic" then. What nonsense.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)If this post had been during the regular season I would have gone to a game just so I could remain seated for it.
God needs to butt out of public events.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Then I sit down, with my hat on, drink my beer, and talk loudly with those around me.
Never had anyone said anything, although I have gotten some dirty looks. I usually respond to those looks with my own look that says "go on, I dare you to say something."
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I've been to more NBA games than baseball. I never stand
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)What a bizarre thing!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)His only childhood memory there in Russia was lying in a blanket aside the road and watching the family's home burned to the ground in a brutal pogram. His prayer was not a sappy artificial thing. We can assume that he realllllly did want to say God Bless America!
When we consider the song from the viewpoint of an immigrant who escaped violent oppression and grinding poverty, it's pretty touching, IMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Berlin
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)singing that awful ditty at ballgames. It is an awful sappy idiotic nationalistic tune.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2013, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)
The song was introduced at the twentieth anniversary of the ending of WW1, toward the end of the Great Depression. It served a national yearning then and expressed the will of the era in the hearts of Americans. Berlin took the central phrase from his mother' daily uttering; so thankful was the family for a place that had welcomed them when they fled despotism. Every day, she said it. God bless America.
It is not an awful ditty or a sappy idiotic nationalistic tune. You reveal some ignorance with that remark. Your life experience is simply different from that of the lyricist.
That awful country western tune is a sappy idiotic nationalistic tune: God bless the USA.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)than it is to subject millions of sports fans to a song like that, that connects religion to America. A lot of Americans don't believe in God and a lot of them believe in other gods. It's bullshit to keep shoving god down our throats, it's actually quite disgusting.
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)Hate it! Hate it! Hate it!
My only issue with GBA is the same issue I have with the SSB -- people oversing it. Just let the music do the work. My advice -- listen to a recording by Kate Smith, and just do what she does.
Kate Smith used to sing GBA at Flyers games instead of the SSB, which I thought was cool.
The only modern patriotic tune I really dislike is "God Bless the USA" by Lee Greenwood.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Just for you. Oh and Kate was a stuck up right wing stooge. Which was why she had a sorry career singing GBA.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)"OMG ... they played a song at a ball game!!!!"
Next you'll be telling us that the BOMB in football is really a way to get Americans to support drone strikes.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)don't mention the hail mary.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)MissMillie
(38,580 posts)But at least at Fenway we keep "Sweet Caroline"
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)at Yankee stadium (f@cking Ronan Tynan).
Fla Dem
(23,743 posts)when sung at the appropriate time. For a ball game give me Sweet Caroline anytime.
gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)and if stadiums received any public funding for construction they should constitutionally not be allowed to sing it there.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This board does us all good in different ways.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)the America the Beautiful thing (even tho it was written about my home state) AND change the national anthem to one that 1) doesn't glorify war and 2) people can actually sing.
I vote for This Land Is Your Land.
djean111
(14,255 posts)But - for quite a while now, it is not true. Literally makes me tear up.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)But it would define something we want to be, and set a goal, without the baggage of a battle hymn...
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... it IS a song about the Flag, not the "bombs bursting in air".
"Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"
The question I always ponder is ... does the flag fly over the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, or have we become something else ... as opposed to people who interpret it to ask whether or not the flag is still flying "by the dawn's early light" or the ones who just turn it into a mindless "hoo-rah our military is best" anthem & don't actually ponder the words ...
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I guess I've just never liked the song. It is all about fighting to preserve the land of the free etc etc etc and is too easily co-opted to prop up our militarism. I think it needs to be changed.
It is also impossible to sing.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... that nearly everyone who sings it thinks there is a pause at the end of each line.
Just like any other poem, because there's empty space doesn't mean it's the end of a sentence or thought.
And there's nothing in the "instructions" that calls for certain words toooooo beeeeeee drawnn OOOUUUUUTTTTTTT to infinity.
Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)and says, "I can see just fine. Let's just play ball."
Wolf
treestar
(82,383 posts)Most of them are hymn-like, meant for ordinary people to be able to sing. The lyrics will be about how beautiful the country is, how it's home. It's odd psychology that we have one with lyrics about a time we were under attack.
kydo
(2,679 posts)now that song is the cheesiest piece of crap ever written
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... to see players having to stand thru the National Anthem & GBA when probably 50-75% of them aren't US Born.
We don't sing the Canadian, Russian or Finn National Anthems, or even acknowledge their flags in the arenas.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)I've not seen it for the Blackhawks or at the college/junior/minor pro level
dionysus
(26,467 posts)other teams!
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Ottawa is playing Chicago tonight at Chicago's arena & they just sang Oh Canada - before the Star Spangled Banner.
Well done!
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)in US sports if a Canadian(or any foreign team for that matter) team is playing here we play their anthem. If you go to a Blackhawks game and they're playing Toronto, Winnipeg,etc they'll play "Oh Canada"
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The thing is no team wants to be the first to end the tradition (and the PR shitstorm that will follow)
cui bono
(19,926 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)After seeing the 10 trillionth pink ribbon, I can assure that I am quite aware that breast cancer exists.
Fucking grifters.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)Well, I'm off to go 'like' some facebook posts that will cure cancer if they get 1,000,000 likes by the end of this week.
Throd
(7,208 posts)kiawah
(64 posts)n/t
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Every time I've gone to a game, I've left, shaking my head, before the 7th Inning Stretch. In the Twin Cities, we don't have a professional baseball team any longer. We have the Twins. Uff da!
cloudbase
(5,525 posts)Cheaper tickets, cheaper beer, more fun.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Fun is good!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)You're watching a ball game while people in other countries fight to survive till the next day.
We have our problems, but we're doing far better than most
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)And I refuse to say the pledge of allegiance. "Under God" my ass. I won't say the pledge till they omit those words and cease spying on people, and then only when I HAVE to.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Believe me, if you wanted to get negative attention in 1963, not saying the flag salute was the way to go.
My problem was the 'with liberty and justice for all' section.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)My first exposure to not reciting the pledge in the 6th grade. I can't remember if they stood or not. I wasn't angry, I actually respected them for it. Not enough to disregard my critical thinking skills to convert, but respect.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)I also mute or change the channel.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)We need more people of your character.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)The world would be a better place without God Bless America at all venues, secular and religious. What reveals character is a biting whit and, by reading your other posts within this thread, yours is a gruesome bite. May God bless you and help you find a parking spot near the front of your local shopping center.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Stick around. i think you'll like it here.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)A blue dog, huh? Reading some of your other posts. I have been visiting DU since 2002.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)Ignore this sad and pathetic poster who intentionally posts bitter snark in a desperate cry for attention.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)It's such a beautiful song. I love when they sing it at a ballgame. I have no issue with them singing it.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)What does a game have to do with nationalism?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)We are concerned about a number of things. This just happens to be one of them.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)those.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Is it not permitted to also vent about some slightly lesser concerns? Isn't that also what a discussion board is for?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)All kinds of trivialities are discussed here and I suppose this is no different. I just think people getting bent out of shape over a song at a baseball game is kinda funny.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)previously posted about someone asking his kid to remove his hat while the song was being played. Was that you?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)If so I have it filed under "cool story, bro."
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)I agree with you about the "spat" upon. Again, have you asked someone to remove their hat during a rendition of gba?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)It isnt even the national anthem. And I dont give a shit even if it was.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine our concern for A rarely denies our concern for B, C, and D...
Hence, the OP may in fact hold greater concerns. Quite possible you could ask that person... or simply continue to pretend that your premise is valid if that's easier.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but rather an intentional use of hyperbole to point out the silliness of having a stroke (again, intentional hyperbole) over a song at a baseball game.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I used to enjoy hearing the old Kate Smith version, years ago--it's a rousing tune, in small doses, regardless of one's religious perspective. However, sung over and over again, because we "have" to, it's like a dirge--it's opressive, obnoxious, irritating!!!!!
Give me "Take me out to the Ball Game" any day....! That used to be the paradigm for the Seventh Inning Stretch.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Why is that song a baseball song?
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)only 3 teams the Braves, Yankees and the Dodgers still play the song during the 7th inning stretch. I haven't watched the world series game all the way through maybe they've done for all those games, but the vast majority teams stopped playing it years ago.
Boomerproud
(7,964 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2013, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)
quinnox
(20,600 posts)It is listed on the fucking calendar now! Look at 9-11 - it says "Patriot day"
9-11 put such bull shit nationalism into this country, all the sheep can rally around our precious flag!
cordelia
(2,174 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . blame it on a corrupt administration that saw 9-11 as a ripe opportunity to build public support for war-making-for-fun-and-profit and cynically exploited patriotic fervor in the wake of 9-11 in service of that agenda. Blame it also on the American public that allowed itself to be taken in by the hucksters of the Bush administration. Osama bin Laden owns the 9-11 attacks. Everything that happened in the wake of it belongs to us.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It hardly wrecks the country.
gulliver
(13,195 posts)It really should be about loving America mostly. I feel sorry for folks who put a belligerent emphasis on God. I think that is both unpatriotic and a little irreligious.