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For the past 2 and 1/2 weeks, the Holy Spirit has been waking me up in the middle of the night and preparing me (through my reluctance and doubt) to deliver a message in the House Chamber, stenographer Dianne Foster Reidy told Fox Newss Chad Pergram in a written statement. That is what I did last night.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/house-stenographer-holy-spirit-moved-me-98486.html
ETA (thanks to bunnies in post 77) -
https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/390834973529628672
spanone
(136,012 posts)For the past 2 and 1/2 weeks, the Holy Spirit has been waking me up in the middle of the night and preparing me (through my reluctance and doubt) to deliver a message in the House Chamber, stenographer Dianne Foster Reidy told Fox Newss Chad Pergram in a written statement. That is what I did last night.
i.e. mental illness
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Tell her to bring her gun and punish the sinners
yuiyoshida
(41,880 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)llmart
(15,580 posts)then I'll start believing
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,237 posts)And I actually had to rewind on the live DVR a couple of times when I saw that. Wondered what that was about.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)I had it on in the background and wasn't sure what I saw at first.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)I spent a lot of time this morning defending this lady for having potential, treatable, mental illness and now she shows she's just a RW fanatic and likes it that way. Oh well.
kydo
(2,679 posts)This lady does have a potential, treatable, mental illness only she doesn't know it she thinks it was God.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Voices in her head are a good indication. Sounds like schitzophrenia.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)internal dialog helps organize thoughts, and even having voices that sound like someone else isn't a sign of being unhealthy, until it becomes pathological. For example, wondering what your mother would say or think about a situation.
For most healthy people, this dialog is recognized as internal, though some may mistakenly believe some of it is external, but in mild forms, such as think Jesus or God is talking to you late at night, or in dreams. Its only when this type of stuff interferes with being able to function in society does it become pathological and you need help. It also can be a sign of some type of chemical imbalance or disorder of the brain.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I have considered adherence to theism to be a treatable condition ....
Take some reason, question what others have told you, and call me in the morning ...
cali
(114,904 posts)that ends up resulting in full blown psychosis.
could it be something else? Yes. Could she be a right wing fanatic? Her history points to that, but even right wing fanatics with any connection to reality don't flip out on national tv in the midst of Congressional proceedings.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)suffer a manic break or some other form of psychosis, do you?
You're smarter than that.
She's on a psych hold.
Link Speed
(650 posts)Just another way of saying, "I'm smarter than you".
She should be fired and banned. She is far too crazy to have that kind of access.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)What's been coming out today has been rather enlightening.
She wasn't on a psych hold.
http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/shutdown-hours-made-stenographer-snap-husband/
treestar
(82,383 posts)But Michelle Bachmann was at least elected to a seat in the House and speaks up as that status accords her - the reason this lady is probably mentally ill is nothing to do with her religion and beliefs but everything to do with her thinking the Holy Spirit wanted her to do this particular thing in this particular place.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Bachmann could have given exactly the same speech and nobody would have said a thing as long as the gentle lady was recognized for her time.
dawg
(10,626 posts)She "stood up" for God.
And what she did was perfectly rational if you believe the things that conservatives claim to believe.
We have a really big problem in this country. I live in a somewhat rural area where conservative opinions are dominant, and they are dangerously deluded.
As we say where I come from, "They ain't right in the head."
cali
(114,904 posts)she'll be utterly crushed and humiliated by what she did.
Both dems and repubs in the house who knew her, had nothing but kind words for her and described her as a quiet, good worker and colleague.
No, she wasn't perfectly rational. Rational people are able to understand the ramifications of their behavior. this wasn't like someone who went there to protest and make a statement. she was a long time employee. A rational person would understand that doing what she did would result in precisely what it resulted in- being dragged off and hospitalized.
Her speech was rambling and disjointed.
dawg
(10,626 posts)Granted, she had some sort of a breakdown. I do feel sorry for her, and I hope she gets better.
But I'll bet that when she does get better, she'll still believe the vote last night was a victory for Satan. She may even still believe that the Holy Spirit urged her to speak out.
A significant portion of the people who support the conservative movement are just as detached from reality as she. It is their ordinary state of being, and the Democratic Party needs to recognize that undeniable fact. We cannot make common cause with crazy and we should stop trying.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Granted, she's normally this conservative Christian type but her behavior was completely inappropriate with the manic speech.
She HAD to know that she would suffer serious consequences for what she did, "had to know" meaning when she was in contact with reality. If she had mounted a protest after work on the Capitol steps, fine, that's a pretty normal thing to do. She would have not jeopardized her $157,000 a year job.
Now, at the bare minimum, she will be on a probationary status which will include mandatory treatment by a psychiatrist. If she doesn't agree to that, she will be out of a job. There is no way in hell she was in her right mind when she did that. Her behavior was completely different than what it normally is. Everyone was shocked by it. I have to give ol Louis Gohmert props, he was very worried about her (no brains but a big heart per Faux News, yea I went over there).
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...it was in fact quite coherent. She wanted to let us all know that it was Freemasons (gasp!) who wrote the Constitution and therefore we are not, and never were, "one nation under god". Well, that is mostly true -- it was not only Freemasons, but also Deists and some Christians who wrote our Constitution. We were founded under Enlightenment principles, not religious principles.
No, she was loud and a bit excited, but neither manic nor incoherent.
Fire her ass.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)I didn't see the interview, but the Fox 'news' interview is suspicious. Hard to figure now.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...she is instead promoting her reasons for acting in this way, through FAUX NEWS. You are often right but I don't think you are right in this case. I think she is a fundie wacko (and no I don't use this term for all religious folk, not even all fundamentalists) and she knew exactly what she was doing.
Fine, lady. You had your say. Good job. Now pack up your things, you're fired.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)his wife is a "level-headed wonderful woman of God. I am proud of her."
https://twitter.com/ChadPergram
louslobbs
(3,241 posts)case I was taught that god was a he), he could simply strike down those he disapproves of with a bolt of lightening, or a heart attack, or blindness, or a stroke, or any combination of those or many other maladies to punish the sinner. Never, not once, did god ever ask for my assistance or help because he just couldn't handle his job as god.
Also, no matter how many times I prayed to god, or begged him for help, not only did I never hear back from him, but he never granted any of my requests, ever.
And finally, not once, did he ever wake me up in the middle of the night to initiate a conversation with me telling me that there was something I needed to do for him, or at anytime, did he ask for my opinion or demand that I help him in doing something that he couldn't handle on his own. It's all just so bizarre, every time I hear one of these fundies claim they talk to god and that they believe that he talks back to them, it sends a shiver of terror down my spine.
Lou
dawg
(10,626 posts)Well then you're damned lucky. I've been workin' my fingers to the bone on this fuckin' ark for months now.
louslobbs
(3,241 posts)2 of every one of gods creations....and may I suggest purchasing some large snow shovels in order to easily remove waste and transfer it to your on board compost heap for easy turning of the pile to produce a nice healthy soil for your gardening needs. Also, avoid taking along any teabaggers, as they are prone to shutting things down and stopping progress.
Lou
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)"...even right wing fanatics with any connection to reality don't flip out on national tv in the midst of Congressional proceedings."
What exactly is it that the Tea Party Republicans have been doing these last couple weeks?
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...when talking to FAUX NEWS -- is that indicative of psychosis? I don't think so.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Another holy messiah acting out their hallucinatory fantasies ...
Awesome!
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Shame on Fox for exploiting her.
cali
(114,904 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)If she is on a psych hold then Fox News has jumped the shark with this one and THEY should become the subject of a story.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)She was acting in accordance with her convictions, the same as any other disruptive protester.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)If Fox is trying to sensationalize her actions as some sort of tea party "victory", that's pathetic.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Okay, so, a Code Pink protester shows up at a congressional hearing, puts red paint on her hands, and yells at Condi Rice.
That is rational behavior, but the stenographer's is not.
Explain the difference without telling me that belief in god is a mental illness.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)She is entitled to her own beliefs, not her own reality. There is a difference in religious belief and religious delusion. Believing in the Holy Ghost, rational. Believing that the Holy Ghost is physically present in your bedroom and commanding you to act against your will and best interests, not rational.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Doesn't sound quite right.
It's like "Christians" who are afraid to die.
The distinction you are trying to draw is what many Christians will tell you is the difference between "mere belief" and "faith".
If you are going to call being touched by the Holy Ghost some form of mental illness, I hope you got a big bus:
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...and am going to need a very large bus (maybe even one big enough to accommodate fervent Fox News viewers).
As for the stenographer individually, it is the description of being woken from sleep by these experiences that makes me suspect mania. As an MD, I have experienced and treated people with mania before. Intense experiences, disruption of sleep-wake cycles, hallucinations, compulsions to "do" something, all textbook symptoms.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)This woman was there as an employee. She both took advantage of her position and violated its norms of behavior. She had to have known she was jeopardizing her continued employment.
If she'd stood at the back of a congressional hearing and shouted something about Freemasons and the Constitution, she'd have been seen as simply exercising free speech rights as a citizen. But she was doing something very different.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This woman clearly had the strength of her convictions and acted on them.
Your point was that her employment made things "different" from other protestors.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Snowden planned his actions carefully in advance. He had a specific objective and he set out to achieve it in the most efficient way possible. It's clear that he knew he was burning his bridges behind him and was willing to accept that fact.
Code Pink also plans their actions carefully in advance, know what effect they want to have, and have thought out what consequences they are willing to accept.
The stenographer did none of those things. She may have had the impulse building up for a couple of weeks, but he actions display no planning, no specific objective, and no thought of the consequences. She rushed up to the podium, blurted out something unintelligible, and was hustled away.
In other words, it was a completely meaningless and self-destructive gesture -- and though you don't have to be mentally ill to act in that manner, it certainly helps.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)She said that the Constitution was written by Freemasons who are apparently enemies of God, that God will not be mocked, and that this is not a godly country.
She got her message across more clearly than a lot of folks manage to do. I never heard what the Code Pinkers were saying during, for example, McCain's nomination speech. I would guess it was some anti-war sentiment, since that is usually the message they are about in general.
So the difference between "principled protester" and "mentally ill person" is whether or not someone spent two weeks planning it? Heck, by that standard the "Fuck you, Dick Cheney" guy - who jumped on an opportunity - musta been downright crackers!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)Do I have permission to point and laugh yet?
cali
(114,904 posts)She's in hospital undergoing a psych evaluation. Odds are great that she's on a psych hold and depending where she is, the odds are good that that hold will either be extended or that she'll agree to voluntary inpatient treatment.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm not being cheeky or anything but if she's on a psych hold how did she get on Fox? I realize that Fox *is* an asylum, but I thought I read she was given a psych eval directly after the incident last night.
Was she released already?
cali
(114,904 posts)reports are that she was taken to the hospital for a psych eval. In DC that means a 48 hour hold.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)She certainly sounds ill, I feel badly for anyone suffering with mental illness. When I was a teenager, my best friend was acting bizarrely, getting increasingly worse over time, but suddenly was convinced that she was not only Cupid (her birthday was 2/14) but also the daughter of Jesus Christ. It was incredibly sad.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,446 posts)Dan Reidy told The Post Thursday that his wife, Dianne, was plagued by sleeplessness since the start of the shutdown Oct. 1.
...
Dianne Reidy was present sporadically during the half-hour interview, but spoke only briefly towards the end.
Ive never felt better, she said, Im glad that I fulfilled Gods mission for me, absolutely. It lifted a tremendous burden. It was a very hard burden to carry as you can imagine.
...
After her bizarre behavior , she was taken to George Washington Hospital and spoke to a psychiatrist, then released.
http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/shutdown-hours-made-stenographer-snap-husband/
So she certainly wasn't kept in for 48 hours; she may not even have been kept in overnight.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Sympathy gone.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Would you suggest that Code Pink disruptors also be held for such reasons?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)That's the difference, like it or not. If someone from Code Pink had pulled one of their stunts and then claimed that the ghost of Genghis Khan had appeared to them, commanding them to do so, I'd support a psych hold of them too.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You only think it's crazy because God hasn't said anything to you yet.
Response to cali (Reply #17)
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Logical
(22,457 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)It appears that cali dropped out of the conversation when actual facts started rolling in.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)She didnt throw a Obama is the devil in there.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...regardless of all the armchair diagnoses here, she knew what she was doing IMO and her statement today reinforces that.
Well at least she has the courage of her convictions. She'll need it, now that she'll be losing that nice paying job. Hopefully.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)...and her husband was her biggest fan, as long as she kept being a good Christian woman by having his children.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)someone help these people.
riqster
(13,986 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)And a holy shit is what I feel like taking, listening to these people.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)She is what she reads and supports on her facebook
Now about that outburst I've seen it before and spoke about it earlier
Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3870047
cali
(114,904 posts)that resulted in a manic break.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Some key facts about her outburst.
It was coherent in the parameters of her religiosity and convictions.
Of course her fatigue could have triggered the outburst but not the content of her message.
Her religious fanaticism I've seen in churches and families which we could describe as sickness, but quite normal to them. i would diagnose her with fatigue but not any mental illness which is one for the books.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)he's apparently proud of what she did.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)nm
frylock
(34,825 posts)BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)RagAss
(13,832 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,901 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)She shouldn't be in the House; she should be on a flight to Tampa!
TeamPooka
(24,347 posts)If that sounds harsh to you, if any other citizen did that would they be prosecuted or fined?
What would happen to them?
cali
(114,904 posts)or any mental illness at all.
Guess what? People who are severely psychotic are capable of what you're terming premeditation.
this isn't rocket science.
I'm shocked by how dang blasted ignorant so many here are when it comes to MI.
TeamPooka
(24,347 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)impulsive behavior such as this IMO.
tavernier
(12,446 posts)It's a myocardial infarction, otherwise known as a heart attack.
What this lady has is BSC, otherwise known as bat shit crazy.
Logical
(22,457 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)Good luck.
cali
(114,904 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)or some other form of psychosis, you think she should be fired?
Nice.
1000words
(7,051 posts)Until the Holy Spirit ceases to motive this woman to action, she is not qualified to execute her job.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)officials??
She's not the only one who needs her head examined.
Gore1FL
(21,212 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)If her outburst is the result of the inability to refrain from introducing religious rhetoric into governmental proceedings, she should find other work.
I'd agree she should probably find another position at this point, too--even if she remains with the government. She might want to run as a Tea Party candidate.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)that it can't wait until morning.
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Not a good combo.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)every Evangelical TV show in America will have her as a guest
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)get one a free pass to disrupt in session congressional activities.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)many seriously mentally ill folks have religious based delusions about themselves!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)a sense of empowerment of being special in the scheme of life ... and sometimes to persecute others.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)they desperately need to see others suffering more than they are in order to feel good about themselves...it is really sick.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)This wasn't the Old-Time Gospel Hour, ma'am. It was the US House of Representatives. Control yourself.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Thats incredibly unnerving.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)nolabear
(42,019 posts)I know and have treated some of the finest people I've ever met who can become passengers on that wild horse. I'd advise against being in any way smug about something you can't even vaguely comprehend.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...many of us here can comprehend mental illness, and not vaguely either -- you are not the only person here who has dealt with it in real life.
Look, there are obviously some different perceptions of this incident. But please try and refrain from condescension on the topic.
nolabear
(42,019 posts)I've got no premium on comprehension, but I do see a whole lot of abuse being heaped on that woman here, and I object to it. If you're not one of the people doing it, then don't take it on.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)Because your reply stated that pintobean should not be "smug about something you can't even vaguely comprehend". IOW you were stating this poster can't even vaguely comprehend mental illness, even though you can't even vaguely KNOW that, unless you know the poster personally.
And please, don't condescend. Such as: "If you're not one of the people doing it, then don't take it on." Sorry you don't want to be challenged, but this is an open discussion board and I am free to remark on anyone's comments, whether they were directed at me or not. In this case, you are but one of many posters here whose response to those of us who do not buy the "psychotic break" theory is, essentially, "Well you obviously know nothing about mental illness, and how dare you abuse this poor woman."
This woman brought the reactions on herself. She chose to make her statement, and she chose to email FAUX NEWS today to reiterate what she said. So yes, I remain in the camp that believes she did not have a mental breakdown. IMO she just could not contain herself any longer, she had to let us infidels know the TRUTH.
I sincerely hope she loses her job over it.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)since I didn't give an opinion in the OP. When someone wants to address everyone, or just state their view, they usually reply to the OP.
nolabear
(42,019 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...it does not appear to be directed at you since you made no comment one way or the other in your OP.
nolabear
(42,019 posts)If you want to paint me as the one who's condescending, so be it. I wasn't addressing you, I didn't start a conversation with you, and you're the one who, yes, took it on.
But you do have a point in that this whole thing is academic at best. We don't know one another, I don't know pintobean (with whom I have no beef and often have fine interactions), neither of us knows her, and if you are offended by my defense of a person whose behavior suggests impairment then so be it. I'm comfortable with my comment.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)Whether you were addressing me or not is 100% immaterial. This is a discussion board. There is no rule that says I may not speak unless spoken to. Sorry if the format bothers you, but there it is.
Anyway, since your remarks appear to be more general than I thought -- i.e., since pintobean did not make any remarks one way or the other, just cited a couple of articles about it -- that means you were not addressing pintobean directly but painting with a broader brush, implying that all of us who disagree with you in this instance don't have even a vague idea of what mental illness is about.
BTW I am NOT offended by your defense of the woman. It's very apparent that many of us see it one way, and many see it the other way. I am fine with that. But I AM offended by your statement about smugness, and not being able to even vaguely understand mental illness. With that statement you set yourself apart as someone who DOES know about such things, and the rest of us who disagree with your assessment as people who obviously DO NOT know about them. You can't know that and your assumption is, yes, condescending.
TTFN
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)her over emotional ranting (accurate or not) and choice of doing so seem no different than Bachmann's speeches. lol...
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Iggo
(47,627 posts)Ligyron
(7,660 posts)I don't go in for any religious crap myself (except when I need a good laugh), but maybe we should see what the psych eval produces first before firing or prosecuting her. Meanwhile, I DID get a good laugh ... bwahhhaa
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)some Democrats, she'll obey again.
She is a huge security risk and must never be allowed on government property again, let alone into a legislative body.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)of God," per Chad Pergram on Twitter.
She's just your average christofascist. We're lucky she didn't bring a gun to work.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Been trying to spread this around. Really gives us some perspective.
Heres a link: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/VIDEO-House-stenographer-loses-it-during-House-vote-rants-about-God-Freemasons.html
pintobean
(18,101 posts)thanks
pintobean
(18,101 posts)There's no gun in this story. The Holy Spirit is unarmed.
BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)that Gawd wanted her to shoot somebody.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)She may very well be a woman of God (whatever the hell that means), but after watching her little performance I don't think anybody could call her level headed.
Then again, maybe he's describing her literally.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Someone else posed this question.
I was hoping someone would provide an answer.
(The thinking being the House fundies would hire one of their own.)
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)The entire House Republican staff roster is probably full of them.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/shutdown-hours-made-stenographer-snap-husband/
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)frogmarch
(12,163 posts)Shed do the very same thing the House stenographer did if she had the chance. The holy spirit talks to my sister-in-law too, and one of the things it tells her is to keep working on mr. froggy and me until we cast the demons of atheism from our souls and accept jayzus as our savior. She disrupts not only family gatherings with her religious rants, but public ones too, and singlehandedly brought down our local book club.
My sister-in-law is just a "normal," everyday fundie. I dont consider her any wackier than the rest of them are.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)1. As a certified(tm) religious wackjob (old testament variety), she has permanent job security.
2. Watch for her upcoming book and booktour on Fox, Rush, Hannity et al.
3. She will be praised for her misbehavior, and probably given a raise.
Now, imagine the reaction to her if she had run around yelling "ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"....
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Sheesh!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)SamYeager
(309 posts)She was "possessed of the Holy Spirit".
Others are "Demon possessed".
How the religion paints it all depends upon how the psychosis manifests.
RagAss
(13,832 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)And not mentally ill.
She's a woman of God, according to her husband... and he is proud of her.
Compassion from this morning is wasted.
Fire her at least, and prosecute her at most.
tanyev
(42,725 posts)Maybe he's got a different Holy Spirit talking to him.
Barton has collected 100,000 documents from before 1812 original or certified copies of letters, sermons, newspaper articles and official documents of the Founding Fathers. He says they prove that the Founding Fathers were deeply religious men who built America on Christian ideas something you never learn in school.
For example, youve been taught the Constitution is a secular document. Not so, says Barton: The Constitution is laced with biblical quotations.
You look at Article 3, Section 1, the treason clause, he told James Robison on Trinity Broadcast Network. Direct quote out of the Bible. You look at Article 2, the quote on the president has to be a native born? That is Deuteronomy 17:15, verbatim. I mean, it drives the secularists nuts because the Bibles all over it! Now we as Christians dont tend to recognize that. We think its a secular document; weve bought into their lies. Its not.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/david-barton-christianizing-history/
Pakhet
(520 posts)But feeding the poor isn't. Got it. I don't know how these people live with themselves.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Iggo
(47,627 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)I figured you meant David Gregory, or Chuck Todd, or someone of their ilk.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I though that went the way of manual typewriters. Damn, I could be working for government still?????
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