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[CTyankee]

1. I was just on a jury that sent a troll to oblivion! He/she was SO OBVIOUS! They aren't even

"trying" to be reasonable any more.

Good. Easier for us to dispatch them faster!

It was a 6-zip decision, BTW.

[malaise]

5. I love 6-zip decisions

[CTyankee]

7. funny that they are here at the nadir of their popularity with the general public!

Why in the world would they try to troll a VERY left wing website? Makes NO sense to me...

[kardonb]

13. trolls

you cannot possibly connect RW trolls and sense , can you , honestly ? NO !!!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

71. Ever read the comments on a Washington Post article? Same reason they troll those, too.

Now granted the WaPo is now a much more right leaning paper than when I was a lad, but still. They somehow feel they are accomplishing something by just being persistent asses online.

[PatrynXX]

25. and I hate em

but I'm for free speech. I tend to get shot at for that. Can you at least shush the swear words so you don't make the right look good. Swear for a good reason okay gutter language for a good reason

[Katashi_itto]

9. Is it ok to post that jury decision?

[CTyankee]

29. I don't know. Is it? I could...

[Curmudgeoness]

33. I have seen jury decisions posted all the time.

I don't know of any problem with it. I don't see them hidden.

[CTyankee]

35. well, OK...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=1230917

[Curmudgeoness]

37. That doesn't work.

You have to do a copy and paste of the entire message. But if you feel uncomfortable about that, don't do what you don't want to do.

[CTyankee]

40. I'll try. Here...

At Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Is all speech you disagree with "hate speech" ?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3796625

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Admitted Republican insults liberals and defends RW radio hosts.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:07 PM, and the Jury voted 6-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: yawnnnnn....
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: I don't come to DU to listen to this garbage. Hide it, for god's sake!
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: This is a Democratic message board and in-your-face RWNJ's don't belong here.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: I suspect this hide will make his point, and he can show it to all his republican friends. OK.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: This site is for discussion by democrats not to defend ourselves from rude assholes who can't even say democratic instead of democrat while accusing us of the inability of reasoned debate.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Ah a 27%ter. Go to www.mediamatters.org and all the examples you could every require are there.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Curmudgeoness]

45. I love it when jury results come out this way.

I did see that post before it was hidden and that was a good call.

[Katashi_itto]

55. Nice!

Thanks!

[BainsBane]

41. the one who admitted to being a Republican?

[CTyankee]

42. Yep. Funny, isn't it? Not even "trying" to sound "democratic"...

I've never encountered that before...

[BainsBane]

56. I give him credit for being honest

Made it easy to dispatch him.

[L0oniX]

51. Missed me again.

[Snarkoleptic]

2. I'm with you and think you might enjoy this fun/snarky 'lazy millennial' video.

[Berlum]

6. "Divide and conquer. Smirk." - Republicon, Inc. (R)

[blackspade]

15. That is pretty awesome.

I'll have to share this with some of my millennial friends.

[Jack Rabbit]

19. This boomer still regards the sixties as a lot of unfinished business

But the point is taken. The world is what it is today because other boomers made a mess of our dreams.

How many of my friends with whom I demonstrated against the Vietnam War in 1970 grew up to be assholes who voted for Reagan in 1980?

[Curmudgeoness]

34. Well, I'm not one of those boomers.

I am still angry at where the country is going, and I am still 100% Democrat. I just wish I was still idealistic and energetic...somewhere along the way, I lost that.

We may not have met at those demonstrations, but I was there too. Or, maybe we did.

[RebelOne]

48. I am a bit older than a baby boomer,

but I definitely did not vote for Reagan, as I really hated the man almost as much as I hated Bush.

[eridani]

64. I'm betting that a lot of them were actually pro-war frat rats

Left activists in the 60s were a minority, albeit a substantial one.

[7962]

31. Lord how I love that "Zen cat" of yours!

[Snarkoleptic]

61. Feel free to borrow it.

I did.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. Yeah,...because, like,...boomers invented, like shampoo and stuff.

[Blue Owl]

3. Twice on Sunday

[littlewolf]

4. as someone who last night was "gotcha" at work

I wonder if the same thing may have happened to some of them.
not likely in most cases, I know. But still ....

[idwiyo]

8. k&r

[LaydeeBug]

10. As someone who has been accused by the same tiny cabal over and over again....

Maybe you shouldn't pass judgement? I'm just sayin'...

But fuck a tea bagger if they're here.

on edit to add that I haven't seen the thread this refers to, but I have been on the receiving end of people insinuating I was a right winger.

It ain't fun, and it damn site isn't *true*. (edit again for silly typos)

[darkangel218]

11. Sorry, i dont turn the other cheek.

I will pass judgement when crap is being thrown in my face.

[LaydeeBug]

14. turning the other cheek was actually a revolutionary act, not a passive one

but I understand what you're saying. I have no problem speaking truth to lies, but there were people here who would bully me when I would post things in my travels battling teabaggers, and turning the other cheek had absolutely nothing to do with it

[Nanjing to Seoul]

53. you turn the other cheek, you give a conservatard a fresh cheek to punch

Screw that noise. I like Sean Connery's attitude from The Untouchables: "They bring a knife, you bring a gun. They put one of yours in the hospital. . .you put one of theirs in the morgue."

[rhett o rick]

57. Wow, it sounds to me like you are vying for toughest poster on the block.

You want so badly to smite the trolls. Probably dont worry too much how guilty they are as long as you are smiting away. "Gota rope, just lookin for someone to hang."

I see that your bravado has made you some fans. Authoritarians love that rough, tough talk.

Why dont you discuss issue here and not worry so much about the trolls. Trolls have a tendency to get themselves in trouble without much fuss. And we all recognize trolls.

[darkangel218]

58. Why dont you discuss issue here and not worry so much about the trolls

You could follow your own example and not worry so much about others experiences.

[rhett o rick]

60. You are absolutely right. I shouldnt get involved in the "let's round up a posse and find a troll

to hang." posts. I just dont think it's appropriate behavior of "politically liberal" posters.

How do you feel about the TPP? Here is a great post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023790436

Do you ever discuss the TPP?

[darkangel218]

12. And who this "tiny cabal" might be?

I don't belong to no cabals.

Sorry you have a problem with my OP.

[LaydeeBug]

17. I don't really have a problem with your OP as long as

you're *sure* you have a troll.

I've been active in Democratic politics since before I could vote, and have worked EACH AND EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY election for democrats since 1986. I've never missed a vote...not even a primary.

Having someone impugn your allegiance is a pretty shitty thing, but I am not saying you were part of my cabal. (I call them the R S T L N E ers because it is always the same thing with them, and I am honestly starting to think THEY are the ones interested in seeing right wing smears going unchecked)

Lately, however, this place has been unified *heaven* for me.

[IrishAyes]

16. Great OP/rant

Thanks for posting. You're absolutely correct.

BTW, I got a post and re-post AND separate personal response blocked the other day when I went on the tear of my life. But I'm not a troll, and I can easily live with being called anything else. That would be the worst! Might hurt my feelings if that ever happened.

[Tikki]

18. Here is the thing darkangel218..Many of these freaks have been or are poor or have young adults

in their family who are struggling but they are bigots and they honestly believe if they drag others down it builds them up.

Most of these freaks were poorly raised by bad parenting.


Tikki

[zeemike]

20. Effective trolling plays both ends against the middle.

You will have trolls that say nasty things, and then trolls that rave against them.
And the whole purpose is to cause us all to go troll hunting and attack each other and cause suspicion among us.
It is a losing game for us...and they think it is funny when we fall for it.
The only way to deal with it is to talk about the issues and not accuse anyone of things you can never prove, and let the admin deal with the trouble makers as they surely will.

[darkangel218]

21. I have plenty of evidence to "prove".

Fuck them. RW fucks don't belong here. Let them go back to their caves where the sun never shines.

[Buddaman]

22. Well said!!!!

[pintobean]

23. Disagreeing with you

isn't proof. If you really have proof, take it to admin. They can deal with it. Meta call-outs just cause more problems.

[darkangel218]

24. Calling out RW trolls in general is not meta.

So you can disagree all you want.

[zeemike]

43. Then take it to Admin.

I am sure they will act on it if it is what you say it is.
That is what I would do.
But honestly it sounds more like you want a witch hunt....and for us all to join you in purging those who don't think right....or should I say think left...and perhaps want to define what left thinking is all about.

[Diego_Native 2012]

26. The lazy - worthless meme put out by the right

is ignorant propaganda.

As much as I can I try to explain to anyone who will listen that "effort" and "opportunity" are not the same things.

You can work like a dog all your life...as so many do...and it will get you nothing if it doesn't come with opportunities.

Opportunity is what makes money. Most opportunities are the result of birth and having nothing to do with effort. If you're white, if your parents are wealthy and educated, if you are born in the right place, if you're a male, if you have enough food, enough access to health care...ALL of these create opportunities for you to make money and require absolutely no effort on your part.

Effort CAN create opportunities but it will never give you the opportunities that hitting the genetic lottery can. You CAN work hard and put yourself through school. You CAN build a business from the bottom, if you have a great deal of luck and help...but you're competing against people who have a leg up on you (several legs up even) and your effort can never even the playing field from those gifted with built in opportunity by virtue of birth.

I see people every day working themselves to death just to keep their heads above water. They expend superhuman effort...and it will never be enough to overcome the opportunities so many on the right take for granted.

[Skittles]

27. I remember when they used to be somewhat entertaining

that time has long passed

[SleeplessinSoCal]

28. How do you people keep up with all the posting?

I hardly come across a troll because I'm so busy skimming through to find the gist of the discussion. Fortunately for me, the trolls are buried by information

[MNBrewer]

30. Awesome post!

fellow "banned in the bog" DUer!

[Ken Burch]

32. But if you do...wear one of these!

(You can't be sure where they've been, after all).

[LWolf]

36. I think calling people trolls

without naming names is chickenshit, myself.

I also think acting like an enraged middle schooler on crack, spewing hate, poor spelling, lots of ugly names, and way too many exclamation points, is a juvenile, tasteless, and clueless way to make a point which mirrors the worst of the freepers, tea partiers, and right wing "morans" that this site is supposed to oppose.

If you have a problem with something someone posts, why not say so to them, directly, countering their position with evidence and logic? Why "sneak up on" them with personal attacks?

[pintobean]

38. +1

[Chico Man]

49. +100

If you share sentiment with the OP you need some fresh air and fresh perspective. That OP is a fine example of hatred, and that will never make progress.

[leftstreet]

59. +1

[rhett o rick]

62. Well said. nm

[Doctor_J]

67. IOW, WTF are you talking about (OP)?

[maindawg]

39. this is the big one

so let them have their hissy fit. This is the mother of all hissy fits. They are children. They must scream and cry and stamp their feet and hold their breath until they pass out. They are a bunch of brats living in a bubble They do not know the same reality that we do. The world we actually live in does not exist in the narrative they understand.
So let them get it out. They will tire and go back to their regular nap time schedual .

[treestar]

44. Righteous rant

[greytdemocrat]

46. Don't let them get to you.

I doubt there are that many of them.

[whistler162]

47. Really self loathing is very last year!

[Warpy]

52. Most of us can spot them pretty quickly

and MIRT is on the job, kicking them through the goalposts on their way outta here.

Just alert and step away to watch the fun.

A few of them have been slick enough to evade detection for a while, posting jokes and the like in the DU Lounge. However, they always give themselves away in the end.

They can't help it, you know.

[el_bryanto]

54. That's a well reasoned measured response.

Thank you for sharing.

Bryant

[Decaffeinated]

63. I think it's a vicious cycle...

Crappy economic times coupled with a lower work ethic in the current generation (18-29) just feeds on itself.

[Skittles]

65. ? lower work ethic?

they've been thoroughly screwed and are very much demoralized; I am not sure that is the same as "lower work ethic"

[Decaffeinated]

66. Call it what you want...

As a generation they have all been told what special snowflakes they are and how they deserve a fulfilling job with an excellent salary right out of college (which everyone else also attended by the way)

No one seemed to mention everything that leads up to that...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-but-why/generation-y-unhappy_b_3930620.html

[Skittles]

69. much of that is over-simplified crap

how about the part where Generation Y saw their Boomer parents do all the right things, work long and hard yet end up getting crapped on by their employers, who pimped their jobs off to the lowest overseas bidders and by the 1% who stole a great deal of their economic security? I don't like Generation Y being stereotyped any more than I care for people telling me what I am because I am a Boomer. F*** that.

[Decaffeinated]

70. Ignore it if you want...

No one is forcing you to do anything.

As nice as it would be, we can't talk about each individual in a large group so we talk about them as a whole. It's pretty easy to just dismiss it though...

[Skittles]

75. try to ignore this

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-08/gatsby-stays-on-farm-as-income-gap-limits-u-s-social-mobility.html

[Decaffeinated]

76. That is also likely a contributing factor...

What a fascinating article....

[Earth_First]

72. In which industry would you like my generation to employ a work ethic?

Finance?
Manufacturing?
IT?

All careers in which politicians were busily working to destroy as we watched our parents enjoying the last great years of the golden age of the Middle Class.

I'm not going to eagerly embrace a shit wage with no benefits and no hope of vast pension funds, a 401 (k) a new vehichle and a yearly family vacation.

Many of us weren't old enough to affect change that currently affects us now, that was *your* doing. So forgive me if I won't roll over and bow down to your "I've got mine" shit-tastic attitude that Gen Y is just being "lazy"

FFS!

[Decaffeinated]

73. I think you summed it up nicely...

Short of a guarantee of benefits, pension and vacation... why bother?

[Earth_First]

74. No, you summed it up in what used to be a quality of life for most Americans

in your attitude that because the younger generation is not afforded the same opportunity, that you look upon US as the failure.

Many of us are busting our asses day in and day out, but because we complain of the disintegrating safety net in our country, we are deemed a lazy.

You sound a LOT like my Republican father.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

77. LWE=RTP.

[JoeyT]

68. For all they try to sneak, you can usually spot them from a mile away.

The "work ethic" thing set off an alarm for me too. There was even a guy that unsarcastically (Is that a word? It should be.) used the word "takers" in a thread about raising the minimum wage. The only people they're fooling are themselves, and that's only because they're so easily fooled.