Gore vs Hillary - Who do you choose?

[quinnox]

If you had a choice of Hillary or Gore being the candidate for president, who would you pick? I would prefer those who actually favor one or the other to do the voting.

27 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Hillary Clinton
	5 (19%)
	Al Gore
	22 (81%)
	4 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[quinnox]

1. Come on folks, I have 30 views and only one vote

don't be shy.

[katmondoo]

48. Al Gore wanted to put Social Security in a lock box

maybe Medicare too. That will shut up a lot of Tea Party Jokers

[99Forever]

2. Neither.

I want an actual progressive, LIBERAL, populist Democrat, not a 3rd way tool.

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. I'd back that candidate.

[Roland99]

3. None of the above.

[quinnox]

4. Gore has all of a sudden taken a big lead!

[longship]

5. I will decide in 2016.

And the chance of the choice being these two is slim. There will likely be others.

I respectfully reject the premise of your poll.

[quinnox]

10. understood, thanks for your participation

anyway.

[Coyotl]

6. No question about it, GORE.

[libdem4life]

7. Neither

[wildbilln864]

8. neither/nor! n/t

[quinnox]

9. Gore is leaving Hillary in the dust!

I feel like a horse race play by play broadcaster.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

11. Going by electability, Hillary.

She'd take a couple of red states no other Democratic nominee could... Kentucky being one of them.

Bill won Kentucky both times and even those that hate President Obama here still cherish the Clintons.

[A Little Weird]

19. Kentucky???

No way. I don't think either of these could take Kentucky (I would be ecstatic to be proven wrong). But of course, a lot depends on who they are running against.

[Agschmid]

12. This?

I would prefer those who actually favor one or the other to do the voting.

[joe_sixpack]

13. I hold out hope

That we will have a better choice than this

[JHB]

14. Ask me again in about 27 months

Until then,

[840high]

15. Neither.

[Whisp]

16. I picked Gore but undid.

Neither is the right answer for me.

Enough Dinosaurs and old fashioned wrongness.
This is a new age and we need new ideas and fresh bright minds, not moldly old ones that mostly got us all into this mess in the first place.

[bigwillq]

17. Neither (nt)

[ladjf]

18. I like Gore. But, I thought he ran an ineffective campaign. For that reason, I'd rather see us

select someone else. I would support Clinton or Warren.

[Orsino]

45. Recall Gore's warming about hacked democracy. He was the *only one talking about this way back...

...last week.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/30/al-gore-our-democracy-has-been-hacked-and-survival-of-civilization-at-risk/

[pintobean]

20. What's with the pass button?

Is it just me, or is the pass button above the pole and non-functional?

Edit - It's back to normal now, but for about 10 minutes, it looked like this:



I kept reloading and getting the same thing. Two people voted pass during this, though, so it might have been just me.

[arely staircase]

25. government shutdown nt

[pintobean]

26. Made me lol

[leftyohiolib]

21. are they both for tpp if they are then they are both out (unless one ends up in the election)

[Samantha]

24. I do not see any way Gore would support TTP

I don't think he will comment until it is "out" for consideration.

Sam

[karynnj]

31. He was strongly behind NAFTA

This is a ridiculous poll. Gore could have run - and been a favorite to win in 2004. He could even have run in 2008 - though that would have been a tough race and likely he and Obama would have split the not Hillary vote - and she would have won the nomination.

He has not been a part of the political world since 2000 - that will be 16 years before the next election - an eternity in politics.

[Samantha]

49. Gore did say after NAFTA passed the biggest mistake that was made

was not setting labor standards. I am sure because of those remarks, he knows that was a major screw-up.

In 2004, the conservative Dems managed a campaign to stop him. I remember this well because I wrote about it here. I also believe he was ambivalent because he knew his wife was against another run and I think he did want to try and salvage that relationship.

I don't care if he has had a low profile for some time now. He is on top of a lot of issues that are extremely important, for instance, climate change and he served about 25 years in Congress and 8 years as Vice President. He is a heavy weight that could mount a legitimate challenge against absolutely anyone the Republicans run.

I do not believe he will throw his hat into the ring, but I would be thrilled if he did.

Sam

[karynnj]

50. It depends on the time after 2000

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He was for the first -at least year and a half - the prohibitive favorite. Even as late as fall 2003, Kerry was asked (and it is on a CSPAN report of a day he spent campaigning in NH) if he would drop out if Gore or Hillary jumped in.

Look back at polling report.com's earliest polling. One particularly interesting poll, taken AFTER Gore opted not to run, was taken in May 2003 by Time/CNN - scroll down to it. Gore has 40% and most of the others have about 7%. Note that many polls here listed the names of those who had suggested they might run - so he is not in many. Note that there are polls asking specifically if he should run or step aside and he got about 40% to run. I can't think of anyone who just lost in either party being in that situation. http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem2.htm

I don't think there was a concerted effort to keep him from running. This is not because they would not push someone out, but that at that point in time, the 2004 nomination looked like the nomination to lose to a very popular President - still in the 60 plus percent popularity through 2003. Consider the difference when Kerry showed real signs of wanting to run in 2004 - he was pushed out. (Oddly this was probably a miscalculation by the Clinton people. Had Kerry run, unlike Edwards, he would have not imploded and would have split the non Clinton vote with Obama.)

[Samantha]

56. I think you might have missed the article (I believe from the Washington Post) on the DLC's position

on a Gore run. I was outraged when I read it and posted a thread on it here at DU. If I can find it in archives, I will resubmit it. In essence they said while they did not choose the Democratic candidate, they had a lot of influence over who that candidate would be and they did not want Gore.

Sam

[karynnj]

58. They did not want a lot of people - including Kerry, who became the nominee

They certainly did not want Dean. We know the Clintons - as DLC as you can get - wanted Wes Clark - a DU favorite who floundered in NH. In 2008, the DLC candidate failed as well. In fact, Clinton and Gore are the only two DLC favored candidates who won the nomination.

They did have a lot of the money people behind them, but money alone does not create a win. Several DLC people publicly supported Lieberman - whose best showing was 5th (or in his words a 3 way tie for third though he got a few points less then the other 2) (I forgot to add the link above - http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem2.htm )

I am not really that outraged by what you wrote. An article quoting DLC leaders as saying they preferred someone else is not really that outrageous. If Gore had wanted to run, he had the best name recognition and he started as the front runner. I suspect that neither he or Tipper really wanted to go through the nastiness that campaigns had become.

[Samantha]

61. I was outraged by their arrogance and one remark in particular set me off

(paraphrasing) While we do not choose who the candidate will be, we have a lot of influence over who the candidate will be.

They were just grossly exaggerating their own importance and influence. True Bill Clinton was the first person to win an election who came out of the DLC, but Al Gore helped found that organization with Al From. But gradually it morphed into something it was not intended to be and Gore disassociated himself from it. Eventually, the DLC became so despised, it virtually ceased to exist and renamed itself - but it still promotes the same conservative principles.

Sam

[karynnj]

62. It is an outrageous and arrogant comment, but ultimately untrue

If you look at it, they - at most influenced one nomination. I am no Bill Clinton fan, but I would argue that Bill Clinton won by his own skills - which overcame all his deficits. If anything, Clinton's wing was then declared a win for the DLC.

[leftyohiolib]

32. i would have thought the same of potus, that he wouldnt be for it

[cthulu2016]

22. "choice of... being the candidate"? Hillary, of course.

With the information in the hypothetical (none) it would be wildly irresponsible to pick Gore.

On the other hand, in a hypothetical framework where the two have the same odds of becoming president, Gore.

In the real world as we know it *today* Gore would be an insane pick.

On the other hand, if Gore sucessfuly altered his current image it might be different.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. The rich white one. n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

28. lol.

[rock]

27. That's a non-starter

I'll pass.

[bowens43]

29. If that is what our choice comes down to we are in a shit load of trouble.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. Joe Biden

I am happy with his work as VP and would proudly support him unless he opts out...which he hasn't so this conversation is disrespectful of his service.

[brooklynite]

33. Gore was a terrible Presidential candidate...

Clinton had her problems, but kept competitive with Obama throughout the Primaries and would have easily beaten McCain. If Gore had won any one of a dozen or so States that Clinton won, Florida would have been meaningless.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Gore, maybe. Hillary, no.

[Niceguy1]

35. running gore

Would guarantee a repub win and we don't need that. Eeek!

[quinnox]

37. I have to call it for Gore at this point!

He wins by a big margin. Hillary is eating some dust back there somewhere, and has a gritty taste in her mouth as she grimaces.

[seveneyes]

38. It's almost an upside down 80/20 score so far

Anything is possible.

[SheilaT]

39. Apparently there are only two Democrats who could possibly

run for the Presidency three years from now.

Wow. Three years. No possibility of someone new.

Gore won't be running. Period. He's completely done with electoral politics.

I sincerely hope Hillary doesn't run.

Really, there are other Democrats out there.

As I like to point out, in 1990, in the aftermath of the first Gulf War (even though we didn't know it was just the first at that point) it was so obvious that President Bush was completely unbeatable, that all of obvious Democrats withdrew from any sort of consideration or possibility of running. And wasn't his second term just great?

What? A Democrat was elected in 1992? How in the world could that have happened.

In 2001, *everybody* assumed that Gore would run again.

In 2005, it was clear that Kerry would run again.

In 2007 it was obvious that Hillary Clinton was going to get the nomination, so there was no point in any other Democrat running.

The early conventional wisdom is always wrong.

[LaydeeBug]

40. I will support WHOEVER THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IS, WHOLE HEARTEDLY

but Al Gore is my *boyfriend* so even though I'm a Hillary fan (and I am and would vote for her were she the nominee) Nobody messes with the Laydee's boyfriend.

[DonCoquixote]

41. as far as Gore

I voted for him in 2000, even with Joe Lie-burn-man at his side. The news version, without ipper and Joe, woudl win my vote in a New York Second.

[Blue_In_AK]

42. Gore over Hillary,

but I'd rather have another choice -- I don't know who, but someone different.

[lunatica]

43. Al Gore. He'll do something about climate change

Which should be the first priority. When the planet gets poisoned nothing else matters much.

[Orsino]

44. How about we leave the nostalgia fetishes and it's-my-turns to the GOP for one fucking election?

Not accusing the OP of faulty framing--it's a valid question, I suppose--but this is a goddamned depressing choice.

[MADem]

53. Valid? Who has seen Al Gore out there, lately, cagily suggesting he might

run?

Answer: Nobody.

HRC doesn't depress me. I think she'd be superb.

[Iggo]

46. I'd choose the one who's actually gonna run...

...and therefore, the only one with a chance to win.

[LWolf]

47. Are they the only two on my ballot?

I'm hoping for a broad range of choices.

[Enthusiast]

51. In the late 1990s

Vice President Al Gore proposed strengthening airliner cockpit doors because the pilots could be vulnerable to terrorists.

Never heard of it? Don't remember it? It has seldom been mentioned since. I can remember when Limbaugh screamed and ranted for a solid hour about how foolish Gore was for suggesting such a costly and unnecessary extravagance, "This will cost $300 per aircraft! Grumble grumble, damn liberals!"

I want you to ask yourselves, why is this little known factoid being hidden from the American people? I suspect there is great significance to this little known fact.

Remember, there was an organization that felt the only answer for our troubled nation was a new Pearl Harbor.

[MADem]

52. Al Gore has personal issues. He's just not viable.

You want Al Gore? You want the Dem to lose. Plain and simple.

[Liberalynn]

54. Gore

For the purposes of this poll, Gore without a doubt. Though my actual preference is this: I still wish Warren would change her mind and run.

[doc03]

55. Since he lost the election to W he has been acting a little

wacky.

[cynatnite]

57. Gore has no interest in running.

That's why I did not pick him.

Not even sure if Hillary is interested.

I voted, but this poll is pretty worthless anyway since neither are declared candidates.

[Demo_Chris]

59. Neither. We don't need yet another third-way corporatist Democrat. nt

[Uncle Joe]

60. Al Gore with Elizabeth Warren as his running mate.

Thanks for the thread, quinnox.

[Rowdyboy]

63. As president, Gore, as a nominee Clinton...they have vastly different strengths

[WI_DEM]

64. Gore is not running--and maybe not even Clinton.