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If anyone is wondering why the Right Wing Tea Party Republicans are in a frenzy, one need only see what is happening now that the reality of the Affordable Care Act is emerging. The lies they told are coming back to bite them. They are attempting to discourage young American citizens from going to the exchanges by telling them Obamacare will either be too expensive or an intrusion from the government. Good things are happening however. Inasmuch as the Right Wing is being outright destructive with the nations economy in their attempt to derail Obamacare. Empirical and factual data is proven to be a hindrance to their obstructionist tactics. The State Health Bureaucracy in Texas is actually promoting Obamacare. That is a feat in its own right. On October 1st, the Obamacare health exchange servers were overwhelmed because of the inordinately large number of people accessing it.
Republicans racing for Obamacare
The coup de grace, however, is the stories that are now coming out of Republicans who are going onto the exchanges and realizing that they had been lied to. This was the case with Republican Butch Matthews, a 61-year-old former small business owner from Little Rock, Arkansas. ThinkProgress reports that,
But after doing a little research, Matthews eventually realized how much the law could help him. And on Tuesday, his local Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) provider confirmed that he would be able to buy a far better plan than his current policy while saving at least $13,000 per year through Arkansas Obamacare marketplace.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/02/2721501/butch-matthews-obamacare-convert/
It turns out that pre-Obamacare, Matthews was paying $1069.per month with a $10,000 deductible. Matthews doctor visits went from a co-pay of $150 to $8. Matthews has a simple message to all Americans. He says,
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/02/2721501/butch-matthews-obamacare-convert/
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/03/gop-obamacare-fear/
allan01
(1,950 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Neither of these guys has given up on their Conservative ideology. They are Republicans. The difference is unlike Right Wing Tea Party Republicans, they are honest and pragmatic. They are willing to let the truth lead. The Tea Party realizes that their credibility is coming to an end for most Americans......"
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/03/gop-obamacare-fear/
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)He's a truck driver and was paying $1100 a month for insurance so went to the website to see what he could get. He will have a plan that cost $400 per month with prescription coverage. He said Obama gave him an $8400 a year raise by what he's saving on insurance premiums.
He sounded pretty happy.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Republicans falling over themselves trying to sign up for Obamacare!!....
Stellar
(5,644 posts)and wined up loving ObamaCareS !!!
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)My ex is a owner operator trucker driver and it's a hard way to make a living. I'm happy for him.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)health insurance of any kind, and are whining and crying that they are being "forced" to make plans for their own healthcare.
I ask them, being the Rugged Individuals that they are, why they would drop a potentially huge medical bill unpayable by them onto the taxpayers, hospitals, and doctors? That sounds like cheating the system.
Why is it OK for them to free ride on the rest of us who work and *do* pay their own way, through either an employer or out of their own pocket, and also get stuck paying the bills of those that stiff the system because they were too cheap to provide for their own health care?
It's not like some of these guys are broke, they just figure, "Hey, I'm not sick today, why bother spending any money on health insurance, I'll never use it, I'm healthy!"
Showed two drivers yesterday at a truck stop how to access the exchange information for their state on my laptop.
Both got real excited, better coverage for way less money than they currently pay.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)I talked to my brother last night who lives in a really small, conservative town. All the talk, I'm sure, is how ACA is going to destroy the country, blah, blah, blah.
He has horrible insurance. He works for the state but with all of these attacks and cuts to state workers, he basically has no insurance because his deductible is so high. I doubt he even thought to apply for ACA. I told him some of the stories I've been hearing over the last couple of days and how affordable it is to get *good* coverage. I told him to call. Just get online and look. He needs to have a sleep study for possible apnea that he won't do because he pretty much would have to pay for it out of pocket since his deductible is so high.
I'll keep hounding him to try and sign up. It's foolish to keep paying for bad insurance, especially when you can't afford it.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)They may help to save his life, keep after him until he signs up, it's for his own good.
You just might help him to live longer.
panader0
(25,816 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Usually it comes much sooner, so I really needed it.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)You know, the millions that all died waiting to see a doctor. The NSA got the contract to haul their bodies away and dump them out of sight in this country.
It makes for a soft landing when Obama tosses you in.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)doc03
(35,386 posts)over a year ago when his employer liquidated. He lost his employer health insurance so
his union found him a plan for over $800 a month. He was able to get the Health Care Tax Credit which paid all but $225 of his insurance cost. The HCTC expires at the end of the year so he is anxious to sign up for Obamacare. I wondered why he hadn't said anything about Obamacare for months now, yesterday I found out why he was so silent.
Segami
(14,923 posts)http://www.examiner.com/article/more-republicans-than-democrats-have-signed-up-for-obamacare
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Really, considering how much of the ACA was drawn from GOP plans in the past, not to mention the Heritage Foundations work on the subject, a republican should be comfortable with it. I always thought the GOP objections to the mandate were strange since it was basically a right wing/GOP idea to begin with. I seem to remember Newt getting in a bit of trouble in the primaries because he had supported mandates in the past.
Peacetrain
(22,879 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,157 posts)Even after this experience, he's still on the side of those who have been lying to him.
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)I guess those Republicans may have lied to him, but Obama is still black.
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)but that's a fact Jack! Racism lives on in America!
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)I don't buy that excuse. Faux and Limbaugh lie about EVERYTHING, not just Obamacare. That's the problem.
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)They like to be among kindred spirits.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)That's the way change works. He has now discovered that at least one thing is not as he was led to believe. Then there will be something else. Then something beyond that. At some point the change is likely to happen, and once it breaks, it's like a dam going.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And his new-found skepticism might encourage him to look into other lies as well.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)They will take whatever they can get, like Obamacare, but continue to prop up the imbecilic thugs.
Go figure.
Augiedog
(2,548 posts)Image that, a republican using evidence based decision making processes. What next? Perhaps the unthinkable! Yes, you guessed it watching Faux News with a quizzical look on their face, oh the humanity of it all. Perhaps Thug nation ruler Bill O'Rielly will have to write a book called "Kill'n Meself".
malaise
(269,200 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)At some point they'll pretend they supported it all along, and their base will eat that bullshit right up.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)I know you know this, but so many of my wingnut acquaintances are NOT aware that this is a Heritage Foundation designed and Mitt Romney approved and implemented plan. This is what the Republicans were pushing when the Dems started talking national healthcare.
Not the Medicare expansion/single payer setup that many of us would have preferred. No. It's the "free market" solution.
And yet, it's still "socialism". Because...you know...Obama.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The tumor that is the right wing of the political spectrum will be with us for a long, long time to come, no matter how wrong they are on any or all issues, because right and wrong or rather, true and false, don't matter to them.
0rganism
(23,974 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Any candidate who campaigns on repealing Obamacare will have a very rough time getting elected or keeping office. Obamacare is going to be that popular, mark my words.
Even Conservatives in Canada will not talk of getting rid of Medicare. It would be political suicide.
Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)Good post
Lenomsky
(340 posts)for Health Care Insurance and have massive deductibles.
I had no idea people had to pay so much.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,150 posts)And then there's the "for profit" form of some providers.
I have a plan for the problems which will arise when we don't have enough doctors and nurses to care for those who now will have access to them. It ought to be an option to have their education provided by the government in exchange for 4-5 years of "service" to the community. Working for a relatively small sum equal to what those in the military make. Then, after serving they can go out and practice medicine wherever they want. They would be replaced by the next graduating class.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,150 posts)I figure the most intelligent people have figured out the lies and they're the ones most likely to go and find out for themselves. But if they hate Obama, they'll likely keep quiet about it. God forbid they approve of something he fought for.
proud patriot
(100,715 posts)Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)A whole generation of Americans benefited from the GI Bill after WWII, my dad included. He was a conservative repub even though that party called it evil big government and fought it just as hard as they fought Social Security, Medicare, and now the ACA. I remember one officer who spent his life in the military saying he owed his loyalty to the GI Bill. Yep, he was a republican.
As much as I would like this to be a game changer, I don't think it will.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Patiod
(11,816 posts)The only thing that would have allow them to vote for the "mulignan" is that they thought their own party might go after their Social Security and Medicare.
But in the end, they said they STILL voted Republican, because in their mind, the Democrats were too Jewish, too gay, too "anti Catholic" (pro choice) and too black.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Just like a wild animal forced into a corner, they are terrified and dangerous.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Most of them would rather shoot their mouth off without any facts.
The whole thing comes down to blocking or crapping on any good the President wants to do. Just because it's him doing it.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)k and r
TBF
(32,106 posts)This is how it should work.
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)louis-t
(23,297 posts)the facts? I am shocked!
Stuart G
(38,449 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)Wasn't that the call during Reagan's "Southern Strategy?" I believe he used it to further the defection of Southern Dems to vote Repub.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)for Republicans again. And again. And again.
Too many of these people make absolutely no connection between how they vote and what happens.
It's kind of a shame he or his wife doesn't have a government job that they've been furloughed from.
I do wonder how many of the furloughed govt employees voted Republican in recent elections. It's somewhat too bad that we actually have a secret ballot, because it would be nice to be able to call out those who consistently vote against their own interests. Perhaps if those who voted for the Republicans trying so hard to de-fund the ACA, better known as Obamacare, weren't allowed to sign up for a while, maybe then they'd get it.
I can only hope.
rivegauche
(601 posts)Actually finding out the reality of somethnig, before you shoot your mouth off and spread a lot of bullshit! This must be an absolute revelation to the baggers. *SARCASM*