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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy wife's uncle (a Republican) speaks some truth
Lee T. is a Republican from way back, but one that you can actually carry on a conversation with, unlike most of today's ignorant yahoos. He has taught Political Science at a college in South Texas for several years. We have some good back-and-forth. His email is a little long, but it only took me a couple of minutes to read it. I thought it was well-put.
A few years ago when Sen. McCain was about to be nominated for the Presidency to represent the Republican Party, I told my poli-sci class that he needed to choose a woman, preferably Sen. Snowe if he wanted to win the Presidency whether the Democrats chose Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton in 2008. The reason for that thought process was and still is simple: generally women support the Democratic nominee, while white men support (the majority) the Republican nominee. Basically, Sen. McCain, a moderate and very well-respected Republican, would have easily defeated any Democrat with the right running mate. Instead, he chose Gov. Palin from Alaska who turned out to be not only a right-winger Tea Party type but also exceptionally ignorant not only of national events but also of international events and even world geography.
Many Americans absolutely admire Sen. McCain and were ready to go campaign for him but he ended up choosing a good looking, hot, sexy woman with a very empty brain. He should have chosen Sen. Snowe and right now we'd have a Pres. McCain and not a Pres. Obama. But we can't change history. Even my university students asked me, "where did he find that idiot?" Those were their words. College kids went about 8-2 for Sen. Obama.
Before you give too much credit to a Governor of a Big State like Alaska, Austin, Texas has more people than the whole state of Alaska.
I saw this interview (Former GOP Sen. Snowe: 'This Isn't a Party I Recognize'). Those of us who worked for and with the Republican Party for many years find it disheartening to see such a nice bright lady, politically and philosophically responsible, feel exactly as I do, totally estranged from the new right wing Tea-Taliban-Republican Party. Look what's going on right now in Washington, the minority faction of the Republican Party, the Tea Party, now controls Speaker Boehner and he has shut down the government just to please a few anarchists (protect the Speaker's Chair, his Chair).
These Tea Partiers, starting with Sen. Cruz of Texas, was called out today by several very respected Republicans, including Sen. McCain and Rep. King. "Ted Cruz is a fraud and a con man, he is a liar". These words came from his own colleagues, a Republican nominee for President, and a powerful Republican chairman of a House committee. It's a sad day in American history and in the history of our Republican Party to see one party destroyed by a minority faction of anarchists.
My position is that I will not allow myself to be a slave to anyone's political ideology, particularly when that ideology is an extremist ideology, just like the Taliban.
Thus, what used to be the Republican Party but a few years ago became the Party of No, than the Party of hate, and now the Party of Anarchy. All this is happening for one simple reason, the Republican Right Wing is trying to undo Pres. Obama's health care legislation, his pride and joy which had been tried since 1898 and finally succeeded. They are merely trying to break his trophy legislation and they are willing to destroy the government and millions of American people just to make their point. Of those 800,000 federal employees furloughed yesterday, 23,800 are in San Antonio. Let's not forget the domino effect to our surrounding businesses. Damn, we can't lose the breakfast taco business in San Antone, that's our economy next to the medical and military industries.
The Republicans in the House need to remember and accept the following facts: Mr. Obama was re-elected on the issue of the ACA; He won Romney's state; He also won Ryan's state; He even won the Speaker's state, Ohio; He won the House majority leader's state, Virginia, and he won twelve of the thirteen contested states; He overwhelmingly won the Electoral college. He won. That's it and Republican Tea partiers cannot accept the loss. In political science we call it an electorate and Electoral victory, in Texas we call it an Ass Whipping. That's the bottom (no pun intended) line.
One other reminder, the Republicans vehemently opposed the Social Security program, yet they did not call it "FDR care" and Mr. FDR was elected four times. (There were no presidential term limits at the time) The Republicans vehemently opposed Medicare but they didn't call it "LBJ Care", in fact they made fun of President Johnson. I don't hear one single Republicans trying to legislate to get rid of Social Security or Medicare. The Republicans opposed Medicaid very strongly also but 50 years later we know how important it turned out to be for millions and millions of people, including some of you on my distribution list or some of your family members. Now we have the ACA legislation, improperly called "Obamacare" by the Republicans, and they're trying to repeal it or defund it so it can't operate. That is not going to happen. As of today, 4.8 million people signed into the website to look over or sign up for the program.
People who do not have health insurance overwhelmingly support the program. They didn't have health insurance for one of two main reasons, or both: Insurance companies would not accept them due to a preexisting condition or they could not afford it. The ACA took care of both problems.
I think the President was right in pursing this legislation. I think the Congress was right in passing this legislation. And, I think the Supreme Court was right in upholding this legislation as constitutional. Interesting, it was a Republican Justice who made the majority vote, CJ Roberts.
After you get through bitching at me, or about me, think of the following:
Where would millions and millions of Seniors be today without Medicare?
Where would millions of disabled people be today without Medicare?
Where would millions of Seniors, widows, children, or disabled people be today without Social Security benefits or Medicare?
Where would millions of Americans, especially children, be today without Medicaid?
Ten years from now, ask yourselves, where would millions of college kids/citizens who can't afford or do not get health coverage from parents or employers be?
There is a lot more here than meets the eye, the ACA is merely the springboard for the future of American politics in Congress and who controls future legislation. If you want to hear about it, let me know and I'll explain it to you. But the bottom line is that it's all about future VOTES and who controls the House and Senate for many years to come as happened after 1932. Check your political history books.
Here is my final point as to why Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to the last drop of blood to derail the ACA (Obamacare).
In five to ten years, during which time some 41 to 48 million people will sign up under the ACA. Where do you think their political loyalty will be placed?
dembotoz
(16,802 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)He makes a great case for why NO ONE should be a Republican in the Present and Future.
I hope you don't mind I would like to post this on my FB page
RussBLib
(9,008 posts)He is still a Republican, but has voted for more than one Democrat when warranted.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)To bad the Pukes let the fringe take over their party. I use to consider myself independent. And that my Vote was always up for grabs during election. I would wait and listen to each candidate research and then make a decision
I perfer to be that type of Voter. Unfortunately I can't suport a Party that clearly hates my very existence
I am a black female, middle class, grew up just above the poverty line. My parents always worked several jobs not just one or none, Republicans Campaign as if they don't want or need my vote. So they don't get it.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)A lot of Republicans take about 50 years to adjust & accept prosocial changes.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)as we know it. Now majority of the GOP constituents praise it and some believe its not government run. They also love SSI as well. Unbeknownest to them tho, their Gawd fearing GOP representatives want to dismantle SSI, Medicare, Medicaid and destroy Obamacare, and to boot, have no other alternatives nor replacements except . .
If you get sick go the the ER and get medications (you can't afford) and if that don't work than die - by yours truly, The Republican Party.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, and destroy Obamacare..." Yep, that's STILL their goal. And always will be.
kydo
(2,679 posts)and tell Lee T he was probably right about Sen. Snowe. Imagine if the rethug party was the republican party again. No I still would not vote for them, but DC would get things done unlike now with The Crazy holding everything hostage.
mettamega
(81 posts)An important sober read - "Ted's father, Rafael Cruz, is a pastor with Texas charismatic ministry Purifying Fire International who has been campaigning against Obamacare the last several months. He has a distinct theological vision for what America is supposed to look like: Christian dominionism." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/morgan-guyton/the-theology-of-governmen_b_4020537.html
Delphinus
(11,830 posts)n/t
tsuki
(11,994 posts)He would not be a teabagger's first choice. Given name is Rafael. Born in Canada. One parent alleged to be American, the other Cuban. Harvard educated.
A few weeks ago, his Canadian citizenship was revealed, and he promised to renounce it. Then, the whole issue died.
He is insanely ambitious and wants a 2016 run.
As a rock-um, sock-um teabagger willing to take on the evil Obama in a talk-athon, he has earned his "bona fides". Not a bad stragedy.
And as husband of Heidi Suzanne Nelson, formerly of Merril Lynch, formerly of JP Morgan, assistant to Condoleezza Rice, and now vice-chair of Goldman Sach, a lot of doors will be opened and a lot of money can be negotiated for the correct policies.
Not a bad stragedy, but risky. I think this is what house republicans are beginning to see.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)and we could have a Sen. T. instead of Cruz.
How lucky you are to know a knowledgeable Republican...
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)When a Republican can explain the problem with his party so well, he could probably explain anything!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TNNurse
(6,926 posts)that there were sane, responsible and educated Republicans out there. I just read a statement from one. Are there others? Until the Republican party stands up and rejects the Tea Party, they will not have any respect from me.
hue
(4,949 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)MSMITH33156
(879 posts)I questioned whether he was a Republican. Then I remembered a time when Republicans were actually about smaller government and not Looney Tunes like they are today.
I don't agree with the 2008 election analysis though. That election was in an environment where Bush had burned the country to the ground, and no Republican was winning.
But the Obamacare stuff is spot on. They don't really worry it will fail. When has any political party ever worried that the opponents passed a crappy law that is going to fail and hang like an albatross around their neck for generations? Yes, Republicans are trying to save the Democrats from themselves, and in order to do so, they are willing to destroy the American and Global economy. That makes sense.
In reality, they are trying to save themselves from being the party that opposed a popular law, and that's what it will be. 20 years from now, when Health Care is ubiquitous, they will be on the wrong side of history. They know this already. So the only option is to completely dump the law and start over. It can never be allowed to survive in any form. The reasonable thing to do would be to leave the law mostly intact, and amend issues with it that come up later. Or, even now. The law is far from perfect. If they passed things that changed parts of the law and "fixed" it, it would actually have a good chance of passing and being signed into law. But they can't do that, because doing so would leave Obama with credit, and they can't allow that to happen. That's why it has always been "repeal and replace...with the same exact law." Ironically, they created this situation by calling it Obamacare. He's now tied to it, it will help millions of people. Obviously, hiccups will happen and the law will be modified in the future, but it is now forever tied to Obama, and it will never go away. Obama has his legacy, and ultimately positive one, and that is what the Republicans have been railing against. The law itself is docile. It's what the law will symbolize, a major accomplishment for a Democratic president, that they are trying to prevent.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Maybe it will remain tarnished forever. Should be.
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)Also by then, McCain had already lost of a lot of the respect he had garnered as a "Maverick" when challenging Bush for the '00 nomination. I think he lost the center and cross-over appeal long before he got the nomination.
I, too, remember a time when the Republican party was a much different party. I recall it was GHW Bush who not only coined the phrase "Voodoo Economics" when running against Reagan for the '80 nomination but that he was also pro-choice - they did exist in the Republican Party in the '70s.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)McCain is still suffering PTSD from what I see. He will never have a healthy attitude, and he does have far too many character flaws to lead a kiddie parade. Check out vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.org
Of course there was plenty we could see for ourselves all too plainly.
And I do agree with you that no Republican was going to beat our team in '08. Should Hillary secure the nomination for '16, as she likely will, I hope she chooses a real pit bull of a running mate to turn loose on the repugs.
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Regardless of party affiliation, his words shroud be heard by every American. I don't mind multiple parties, but I despise what the teabaggers stand for.
proReality
(1,628 posts)I thought all the thinking republicans had died off or been absorbed into the Borg-like mindset of the Tea-liban.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... and I know a lot of conservatives - friends of mine - that feel the same way. I know many of you wonder how a Democrat can live in the midst of the enemy - but I think any progressive could be friends with this man, could carry on a meaningful debate with him, and could actually agree on many aspects of governance and policy - and agree to disagree on the rest. This kind of conservatism is something we should respect, even if we often disagree with it on ideological grounds.
Thanks for posting this. This is why I love DU!
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)which should have destroyed any and all respect for John McCain. That he would make such a dangerous choice for VP pretty much ends any credibility he ever had.
SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)yesterday as I heard more and more people talking about getting healthcare finally; as long as we don't have completely dud candidates we should do well the next several election cycles.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)My brother the sane Republican feels the same way. He said he doesn't recognize his party anymore.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)rivegauche
(601 posts)This is such a great essay, it should be published on every op-ed page in the country.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)legislation
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Off the record speaks the same way of the tea party and the republicans. But, to be elected he needs to take a few positions he actually hates, such as life issues.
The last election he had an interesting switch. He plainly told people, voters, that his position mattered not, since city council does not set laws on the issue. So he started avoiding the whole kit and caboodle. Want to speak paving a street? He's the man. You want to speak abortion, go bitch with the Congressman, federal congressman. Ok, you want to keep in the state go bug Sacramento. Just don't bug me.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)And a point I've never considered -
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I wish there were more Republicans like this, or at tleast that the ones who are like this were more vocal.
DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts)NAILED IT !!!!!
naturallyselected
(84 posts)Sarah Palin hot and sexy?
To each his own....
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)a "well respected Republican." I would call him an Islamophobic ass. That's just a quibble I know but I had to get that off my chest. King is right to oppose the government shutdown tactics of his colleagues, but I have zero respect for him anyway.
nirvana555
(448 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Yup. An Islamophobic ass.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)"Now we have the ACA legislation, improperly called "Obamacare" by the Republicans"
I like how he brings up this point. I am aghast, most of all, when I hear Democratic politicians also refer to it as such. I've even heard the Commander-in-Chief do it FFS! Just stop it! You initially named it the Affordable Care Act...so pound that name home every chance you get and also a few talking points that illustrate the very best of the benefits Americans will receive from it.
I realize WHY Obama and others have also used it, its a way to shove it back in the GOPs face, but A. it comes off as arrogant and B. it feeds the insinuations that it is only all about Obama, and C. it derails any further discussion with a lot of people if they simply don't like the man for whatever reason.
Sure...some day, perhaps a decade or more later, it may come natural to use "Obamacare" as the nickname for what it evolves into, as a kind of tribute. But right now its all about making health care insurance more AFFORDABLE.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)is an endangered species
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)ColumbusLib
(158 posts)This should be posted everywhere. This is the Best of Texas!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)after 8 years of Bush we could have run a lemon meringue pie and it would have won.
RussBLib
(9,008 posts)That's the one thing I disagreed with him about. Even if Hillary had won in 2008, the level of hatred would still be sky-high, but at least I don't think we'd have all this thinly-veiled racism.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)would have been the likely framework, had Clinton won.
naturallyselected
(84 posts)Totally agree - McCain was done before the campaign started.
And those of us in Maine can't believe folks from away calling Olympia Snowe a moderate. She spearheaded the "compromises" that eviscerated the ACA, and then she didn't even vote for it. During the Bush years, she stood behind W on every single vote. I found the essay she wrote about not recognizing what the Republican party has become to be very ironic, given her Tea Party voting record. Just because she isn't a foaming-at-the-mouth moron, like our current governor, doesn't qualify her as a moderate.
I was so happy to see her go - she was replaced by Angus King, who, as an independent, may caucus with the Democrats, but is closer in philosophy to what I remember as moderate Republicans. Not the Progressive choice I would have chosen, but a reasonable person. Our other senator, Susan Collins, is also often called a moderate, and while she may occasionally surprise, she can also be generally counted on to vote with the radical Repubs, despite her moderate reputation.
tridim
(45,358 posts)But he is right about her grey matter deficit.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)I know there are thinking conservatives that are smart and not a bit radical like the tea party people. I have a few of them (tea-taliban) in the family and they talk nonsense and that liberals want free stuff. It has literally divided our family and the conservatives have divorced the liberals. That's okay, I've divorced myself from them too. I'm not bending my views because I believe that everyone should have health care (despite insurance company's bottom line). Hurrah for sanity.
pansypoo53219
(20,976 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)on FB so more people can see what a REAL Republican looks like.
AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)-
he's the kind of republican that at least took into consideration some of our democratic ideals rather than just say divisive things. There is no doubt in my mind that some of him wanted to be a democrat.
I think why he lost had more to do with his belief (at first) that there was no economic crisis. Palin didn't help either. I liked her as a person, but some of her ideas were just a little too "out" there and her debating skills... were just plain insane.
Of course I still have a problem with separating the real Palin from the SNL Tina Fey character. It was so spot on, even today I have a hard time remembering who said what, Palin or Fey.
Ha ha
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Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)I was living in Virginia which has open primaries. Gore was a shoo-in for the Dem Nomination, so I thought it wise to do what I could to prevent Dubya from even getting close to becoming President. Ah well, I never voted for him again.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)Thank Almighty God or Higher Intelligence or Ala or Yahweh or Mohammed or whatever you may call the Supreme being....Obama got elected. That was the best thing that could have happened to this country. Ms Snowe or no Ms Snowe. Just the fact McCain chose Palin shows his poor decision making ability. Even the courageous men he spent time with at the Hanoi Hilton don't want the tantrum thrower in our most high seat. Ask them.
judesedit
(4,438 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)May I have permission to quote some of this?
eppur_se_muova
(36,261 posts)And he's right about the SA breakfast taco industry. Has to be seen to be believed.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Beartracks
(12,809 posts)Voters will elect people that make government WORK, and the Repubs are not at all interested in making govt work.
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Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)I think government is a tool, like a hammer. You can use a hammer to build with or you can use a hammer to destroy with. Whether government is good or bad depends on what you use it for and how well you use it.
She also wrote , "On the whole, its a poor idea to put people in charge of government who dont believe in using it."
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Rather than see that if you help people out you will get more votes, they will just see it as if only they had lied, cheated and stolen better they could fool people, or that they better figure out how to really steal votes next election.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I likewise disagree with the assessment that McCain would have won had he chosen Snowe or a woman other than Sarah Palin as his running mate. I have two thoughts here. First is that McCain was simply a disaster as a candidate. He preferred grandstanding to real campaigning, as noted when he so ostentatiously suspended his campaign when the financial crap hit the revolving blades. Also, I think the people helping run his campaign were focused utterly on image, and not substance.
I recently watched the movie "Game Change" about Sarah Palin's candidacy in 2008. What I found truly disturbing was that the people around McCain, in the lead-up to choosing her, and for some time afterward, first said they needed something to change the game (the campaign they meant), something like, say a female v-p choice. Second, they were blissfully unaware that Democrats had already done that two decades earlier with Geraldine Ferraro, and third they honestly seemed to think that the simple presence of a woman on the ticket, any woman, didn't matter who, was enough to change the game. They so much fell in love with the idea of "Game Change" that they made no effort to find out anything about the woman and were completely blindsided by her profound ignorance and shallowness.
Your wife's uncle seems similarly caught up in not looking beyond a very small picture of politics. McCain was well-respected. Not by everyone, not by a long shot. It was more than obvious to this casual observer that he was too old, too set in his ways, too mean and volatile to be anything other than dangerous as President. He is also an ambitious hypocrite. I was living in Phoenix when he moved from his House district to a better part of the city, well before he declared he was running for the Senate. Oh, well, the good people of Arizona have seen fit to keep him in the Senate all these years.
If you get a chance, ask your wife's uncle why he things so many Republicans don't think people are entitled to health care. I would be genuinely interested in his response.
- This is exactly what I said when the bill was passed. And I realized that the Tea Party could be the undoing of the Republicans. And now its all coming true......
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Mr. Obama was re-elected on the issue of the ACA; He won Romney's state; He also won Ryan's state; He even won the Speaker's state, Ohio; He won the House majority leader's state, Virginia, and he won twelve of the thirteen contested states; He overwhelmingly won the Electoral college. He won. That's it and Republican Tea partiers cannot accept the loss. In political science we call it an electorate and Electoral victory, in Texas we call it an Ass Whipping.
Lee T. opened up a can -- nay, a fifty gallon drum -- of whoop-ass on the pathetic Right Wing Republicans! Definitely need to see this posted multiple times throughout the blogosphere!
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)albeit, more well thought out and explained, idealogy to my father, who is also a republican. (Though I would call him more of a fiscal conservative.)
He doesn't recognize his party and has become apathetic to the whole political process since Bob Dole lost. He vents about not recognizing the Republican Party anymore, and tends to vote in local and state elections (NJ) while not knowing what to do in national elections.
I think this is an excellent analysis. I'm glad that there are people who see beyond their party affiliations and see how wrong this whole government shutdown is. The Republicans in control should be ashamed.