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The 'Toad' has landed.......
NBC's Chuck Todd just can't escape the backlash over a stray comment he made about the media earlier in the week.The background, briefly: Todd was speaking with former governor Ed Rendell about Obamacare on Wednesday's "Morning Joe." Rendell said that the White House had not sold the program successfully, and that most Americans opposed to Obamacare had probably been given incorrect information about it. Todd replied that, "more importantly," that incorrect information "would be stuff that Republicans have successfully messaged against it." He continued, "They don't repeat the other stuff because they haven't even heard the Democratic message."
Then came the fateful words:
That quote led to articles with headlines like "Chuck Todd: It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP's Obamacare Falsehoods," and "MSNBC's Chuck Todd Explains Media Don't Need To Show You No Stinking Facts On Obamacare," and "Inform the Public? Not My Job, Says Chuck Todd."
Todd replied on Twitter:
-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013
-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013
Unfortunately for Todd, the controversy isn't going away. The latest salvo: a petition on the website Credo Mobilize, which had drawn over 25,000 signatures by Saturday morning, a day after it was posted online. The petition's author, Nicole Belle, accused Todd of having "completely abdicated his responsibility as a journalist":
Given NBC News' policy of not informing its viewers of the facts about the Affordable Care Act, it should come as no surprise that 70% of the American people don't understand what the law does.
Make no mistake, if Chuck Todd and his other colleagues at NBC News actually fact-checked all the lies that Republicans tell about the Affordable Care Act, that number would be much, much lower. NBC News must accept its culpability in Americans' poor understanding of the law. If NBC's job is to provide factual information to its viewers, it has totally failed the American people.
http://www.credomobilize.com/petitions/tell-nbc-news-correcting-republican-lies-is-part-of-your-job#
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/21/chuck-todd-petition-obamacare-media_n_3967407.html
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)..where he talks about how he essentially has a privileged access to people and a responsibility to ask the "hard questions" for those who don't have access to the movers and shakers in Washington makes me sick. He's such a tool. Do your job, asshat!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)barnabas63
(1,214 posts)get a job, tudd.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)anyone watching him over aa period of time recognizes he cares nothing about the people and does nothing which would subject him to any controversy. His analysis is never more than a quarter inch deep and never going to cause him to lose that precious access. In many ways he is worse than Rush Limbaugh who is unafraid of politicians. Todd is just a kissass who wants to belong to the elite in crowd.
I was very happy to sign the petition. I hope we can direct it at others who lyingly call themselves journalists. Just think what might have happened if the networks and so called journalists were known for conveying useful, informed and logical analyses. We may have know what scum like Kissinger and Nixon were doing to keep the Vietnam War going, we may have avoided Iraq, we may have avoided the Tea party, we may have avoided the debt ceiling fiasco. It is hard to imagine what would not be improved ion this coiuntry if we had honest and frank journalists doing their jobs.
We need to increase pressure on the networks to support real journalists. More petitions please!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Real journalists know that their job is an adversarial one with the power structure, unless they want to be sycophants and stenographers. We need to do away with the mindset that treats the White House Correspondents' Dinner as a good thing--don't know when that started but it has become a mechanism to co-opt the press corps, and boy does it ever work.
malaise
(269,335 posts)he has repeated ReTHUG lies over and over.
No wonder he never finished college - fucking dumb and stupid - a first rate hack.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)..and he has that position? At least Luke Russert finished college.
malaise
(269,335 posts)Todd attended George Washington University from 1990 to 1994; although he majored in political science and minored in music, he did not graduate.[4]
PCIntern
(25,658 posts)Russert's still a dildock.
JHB
(37,166 posts)...looked just adorable in his footie pajamas when he tiptoed into cocktail parties to kiss daddy goodnight.
Therefore he has access and therefore he is qualified to do his job. Just don't confuse his job with journalism, no matter what the job title is.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)That doesn't make you smart.
There's also plenty of brilliant people who never went to college or dropped out.
but finishing college shows you have you have the wherewithal to finish what you've started. Music? Nothing wrong with that, but a reporter it does not make.
On edit: I hate, absolutely hate, when people use "journalist" interchangeable with "reporter". The two are not the same. I'm a journalist. And a damn good one at that. I don't report doodily crap.
2nd edit: why does anyone watch this sputtering idiot anyhow? I'm surprised he has access to the outhouse down by the barn.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, that's not the point (ie. Peter Jennings). I don't understand the inclination to downplay formal education as not being necessary. Most of the time it is very necessary for someone who is supposed to practice a knowledge-based profession.
alsame
(7,784 posts)reporter isn't a journalist??
winstars
(4,220 posts)Lest we not forget, he rose to "prominence" during the primaries in 2008 because somehow he sorta could help us understand what a super delegate was. That is how he made his bones. All of a sudden he is this smart guy??? As we use to say in NYC, getthefuckouttahere!!!
I signed the petition, we all should.
If not for this comment than for every single fucking press conference where he is such a jerk off. Always.
pffshht
(79 posts)^
sueh
(1,829 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Everytime they fire somebody and get somebody new, the replacement is always worse than the original flawed one....
alsame
(7,784 posts)http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/open-letter-deborah-turness-president
<snip>
Please tell me how you have managed to keep someone the Political Director of your news department and have him actually refuse to be responsible to provide facts to your viewership? Sure, maybe Chuck Todd didn't graduate from journalism school (or any university--honorary degrees don't count, Deb), so maybe he can be excused from knowing what a news department employee does. But ultimately, you're his boss, and you have clearly failed him (and the consumers of NBC News) by not providing him with a clear and unambiguous job description.
It's not hard. A journalist informs his/her readership of facts. When non-facts are provided for partisan purposes, it is not "doing the job of the White House to sell" a government program to say that these are LIES. That's reporting. That's journalism. Someone who just repeats what's said to him without placing it in context is called a stenographer. And that is beyond the poor little pea brain of your political director to understand.
Actually, that's not fair. It's not only Chuck Todd who can't grasp that simple concept. David Gregory doesn't, either. Which points, once again, to a systemic issue that your new stewardship of NBC News must address.
Don't believe me? I have link after link after link after link after link after link after link after link that prove I'm right and you are now heading a miserable failure of a major news department.
tosh
(4,425 posts)He is just as bad as Todd. I can't see how either one obtained his title with NBC.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)They both have sold their souls and careers to the 1%ers, fuck 'em both!
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,081 posts)I ironically saw the segment when that asshole made the comment (happened to walk by the teevee at work that had Mourning Schmoe on). It's the arrogance of dumbasses like Schmuck Toad who feign ignorance of their yellow journalism while they deceive viewers and purposely muddle important information... all so they can generate a controversy to bleat about.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)There are now 38,830 signatures.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)nt
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I bet they will increase it to 50,000 then 75,000 and so on and so on.
You never want to look like you didn't reach your goal. Better to keep moving the posts.
edit to add, it jumped to 45,000 as I posted.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)He must be related to someone, or know where some bodies are buried.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)has long been the only way to get a job in any area of the media. Meantime, thousands of well qualified college graduates are unemployed or underemployed simply because they don't have the right connections.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)HOOOOOOORAY! Whatta weasel.
rocktivity
(44,588 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:47 AM - Edit history (2)
If you simply judged the last three months of the 2008 campaign by which campaign "won" the daily news cycle, McCain came out ahead...To which I responded: "Don't be so quick to pat yourself on the back, Chuckie...The blogosphere (despite the attempts of First Read and Politico to muscle in) is the REAL reason why...(we)...learned that the Clintons also had ties to Wright and Rezko, that there were...controversial clergypeople in the McCain/Palin camp, and that Joe the Plumber WASN'T a plumber."
Unlike Todd, however, I am willing to be fair and balanced enough to praise him for NOT busting out laughing when Mitt Romney suggested that he should not be attacked on "personal" issues like his tax and business records!
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/mitt-romney-would-like-everyone-to-stop-talking-about-his-taxes-and-business-record-please/
P.S. Has his esteemed colleague Rachel Maddow weighed in on this?
rocktivity
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I used the stopwatch app on my phone and it went up 97 votes in I minute, or as close as I could get to one minute depending on how quickly my browser refreshed.
Just thought I would share that.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)MSNBC probably doesn't give a rat's ass.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Wy would they care? Progressives will watch msnbc anyway.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)100,000 sounds good to me - it should get there. Forward!!!
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)it isn't worth paying the price of receiving emails from Credo trying to sell me stuff I don't want. Our best friends, good progressives that they are, signed up with Credo. They bailed as soon as they could. I'll just email NBC and voice my displeasure with them directly.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And if you don't like receiving e-mails, why not use the Unsubscribe feature?
Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)but it gets old. Sign one progressive petition online and all of a sudden organizations I've never heard of are sending me pleas for money. As I said, it gets old.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Works like a charm.
Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)Like my lawyer once said to me, "You're too damned honest for your own good".
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Then I don't mind the barrage of emails since I don't have to look at them. And when I need to buy something I take a peek and see if there's any sale offers.
I just make sure to go in and pick out the order confirmation emails as soon as I place an order somewhere.
I have separate email for my business/finances and for political stuff and work and personal as well. Sometimes it's a pain, but I think it's better than having everything lumped together.
quakerboy
(13,925 posts)a decent spam filter will deal with virtually all of that stuff. You dont even really need a second email account. Not that I dont have too many email accounts for various purposes anyway, but its not nearly as necessary as it once was.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I still get plenty of spam in my spam box.
I do it for organizational purposes.
Paladin
(28,290 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Chuck used to be reliable of lat ethough looks like he's been trying to get a job on Fox Noise because he's become biased
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)True that - I say!
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)benld74
(9,912 posts)life long demo
(1,113 posts)I bet the required number will be raised again. Yea!!!!!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)All he ever does is echo their latest talking points. He isn't the only one to reduce the Presidency to a sales job.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)What a weasel Todd is
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)but I doubt very seriously MSNBC will give a damn. Even at approx. 45K people right now who signed it, that is still a very small handful of viewers and Americans in general.
calimary
(81,608 posts)A riff on "Turd Blossom" that still fits kkkarl rove to a T.
Very happy to see this is starting to pick up some attention. Huffington Post, for example.
As a retired broadcast journalist myself, it's my opinion that reporters, anchors, and interviewers DO have an obligation to present the truth, and correct the record when it's presented incorrectly, or misrepresented entirely. That's why you ask those follow-up questions (that nobody seems interested in asking anymore - because they insist on clinging to the pre-assembled list of questions rather than responding to funky flimsy "answers" that need further examination, vetting, probing, and challenging).
Remember when Rachel Maddow had rand paul on, when he was running for Senate, and she asked him about his hands-off attitude towards government vigilance on social justice and racial equality issues? And he danced and dawdled and made excuses and she kept at it. And the segment ran long and even slopped over into the next segment (when something else had been planned), and she threw out the plans and kept at it with rand paul. She even commented by the end of the extended interview that she had all these other questions she hadn't been able to get to because she felt compelled to follow up on this racist-apologist bullshit he was spewing - and that he never fully answered but just kept weaseling around.
THAT is journalism. Candy Crowley even accidentally committed it during that debate she moderated between President obama and wrongney. And she corrected the record when mitt went off on the party line of misrepresenting and distorting the White House's Benghazi reaction. I was stunned! Pleasantly surprised that she'd do that. I was NOT expecting it.
Tim Russert never did that. He sat there on the other side of the table from cheney, rummy, wolfie, dougie, rove, contradicta, and a cast of thousands of bush2 cretins and liars and apologists and just smiled and nodded his head while trying to look really earnest and impartial, and didn't question Thing One about ANY of their assertions. Just let 'em stovepipe it straight through the TV to the gullible "Meet the Press" viewers at home - who had no one setting the record straight so they could get the facts and the truth about the Iraq war. All those folks at NBC News who still speak of him with hushed tones - I don't get it. Doesn't make ANY sense. That was one thing I always disliked about Keith Olbermann. He practically burned incense to the guy. Sorry. Tim Russert was a wholly-owned subsidiary.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)from someone else who never understood the adulation directed at Tim Russert.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Which was a hot topic here yesterday (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023704559), in response to Congress trying to define journalism with respect to the shield law.
I responded by to the OP's contention that "Posting on discussion boards is journalism" by asking whether my posting ""An Obamacare death panel killed my grandmother!" would make me a journalist. The response was yes.
Well, under this definition of journalism, then I guess it's true Chuck Todd doesn't have to correct GOP lies. You can just say anything, true or false, and be a journalist. But that's not what we want or expect out of journalism. Thanks, Chuck Todd, for helping to underscore exactly what is and isn't journalism. (We agree that you're not doing a journalist's job when you don't analyze the veracity of statements and just regurgitate opinions. Not everybody is a journalist. Not Chuck Todd, apparently, either.)
Cha
(298,087 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Can't stand that worthless tool.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Was around 40,000 2 hours ago.
rurallib
(62,486 posts)amb123
(1,581 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Not too long ago I didn't believe petitions did any good, but we didn't bomb Syria, and that has me wondering.
murielm99
(30,787 posts)He is supposed to govern, not sell things, asshole.
I never called him Toad. I thought it was childish. Now, maybe I will.
I heard the comment live, and I seldom watch TV news. I was outraged.
csziggy
(34,140 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)I was looking for the quote where he said it's not a journalist's job to challenge what people say, or something like that but couldn't find it. I did, however, stumble across this great DK post that has some great examples of him pushing GOP lies:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/21/1147916/-David-Gregory-Impartial-Journalist-or-Republican-Shill
I knew he danced with Rove, but this post says he also attended Limbaugh's wedding!
gopiscrap
(23,768 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)What he basically said is it isn't my job to question the truth of what is being said but to only report.
If more journalist took the people they are covering to task for what they are saying, perhaps our culture would be in a much better place.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)53,719 of 75,000 now.
spanone
(135,950 posts)m$nbc
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)by so many people who think he's an asshole. And does this mean that now poor Chuck will
have to call out those he interviews with facts? Uh oh, he may actually feel obligated to do some
work now.
LOL, enjoy it Todd.
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)No, Chuck. It's a contest between facts and lies.
allinthegame
(132 posts)happy to sign and send on to others for their signatures
TexasTowelie
(112,714 posts)The goal is now at 75,000.
sgtbenobo
(327 posts).... Ass-Juice with Corn.
Carry on.
BumRushDaShow
(130,081 posts)who was supposed to start last month -
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/nbc-hires-deborah-turness-new-head-news-6C9996517
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/media/nbc-to-name-new-head-of-news-division.html?_r=0
Time for NBC to clean house and jettison him and Gregory.
TexasTowelie
(112,714 posts)Ron Green
(9,825 posts)llmart
(15,569 posts)57,686 including my signature.
washnwmn
(28 posts)Chuck Todd is 1 good reason I don't get most of my news from NBC. I have never liked Chuck Todd's reports, and it's way past time he was taken to task. I was happy to sign the petition. Don't care much for Chris Matthews either.
veness
(413 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Misanthrope Sycophant Monster .
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Haven't gotten to it yet, but I intend to sign.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Have at least 30 sigs.. myself...Friends, Friend of Friends, relatives etc.
Why cant this site snake at least 300,00 signatures alone?
KICK IT!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)ZX86
(1,428 posts)The likes of Chuck Todd pissing on my leg day after day and not having the common decency to even call it rain is a bit much. Yeah Chuck I know job isn't to be weather man but I think you're missing the point.
I'm glad this issue is surviving beyond one day. The idea that the political director of a major news organization believes he has no role in keeping the consumers of his product informed is beyond the pale. Whether or not the White House "sells" ACA or not does not absolve you from informing the public. I don't care if the White House Press Secretary starts conducting press conferences in Vulcan. Your job is to inform the public regardless and if that means hunting down some Trekker nerd and having him translate every word from Vulcan to English that's what you do.
mdbl
(4,976 posts)To me, he proved himself a partisan journalist long ago. I just change the channel if he happens to show up on the screen.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013
-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013
Or has the "Fourth Estate" been officially declared passé?
TexasTowelie
(112,714 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,514 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... more people need to watch this just for Scahill's brilliant analysis, as well as, his smack down of Todd.
I also read that Todd complained to Scahill after the show something along the lines of "Why did you call me out like that on TV?"
Chuck Todd is a slimy little gizz stain on the blanket of infotainment.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,514 posts)seriously, Scahill did talk about it on a radio show and that's pretty much what happened. Apparently after each taping the guests go out with Maher for drinks or something and needless to say it was awkwaaaard.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)It's painfully obvious that Jizz outperforms Chuck Todd in the "Usefulness" department. A fact that will not go unnoticed again.
And yes, I can imagine that that would be an awkward outing. I would have loved to be a fly on that wall.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,514 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)The picture of a sourpuss looking Maher while Todd and Scahill harshes his buzz.
Brilliant.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)I call him and those like him a 'repeater' because he only repeats the talking points he's commanded to.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Someone called him a stenographer the other day, but I don't think Chuckie could keep up with real stenographers.
DURHAM D
(32,619 posts)brooklynite
(95,015 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)But the word is getting out to MS-NBC and raising the awareness of thousands who see the petition.
Now over 65,000. That says something.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Cockroaches don't like the light.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Bigredhunk
(1,356 posts)No, it's not your job to sell a party's (or a president's) policies. It is your job to call bullshit when you know people are lying. If you're at a briefing...& you ask President Obama a question...& you know his answer is a lie...then it's your job to call that out.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I remember when Jeremy Scahill smacked him down on Realtime with Bill Maher a few years back.
I hope Todd is shown the fucking door.
Cha
(298,087 posts)DallasNE
(7,404 posts)When someone confronted Chuck Todd a couple of days ago by questioning the role MSM has played in this Todd bristled that it is not the job of the media to point out and correct the false statements by either side and blamed Obama for not getting his message out. There Todd admitted that he is nothing more than a stenographer spouting right wing causes. Plus, it is MSM that decides what stenographic efforts get broadcast so while Obama can make available his message and when MSM broadcasts the message of Ted Cruz instead it throws the problem right back in Chuck Todd's lap and that is the role MSM plays in the lopsided coverage of what is presented to the American people. We're still waiting for your answer Chuck Todd. Remember the uproar in the Obama/Romney debate where Candy Crowley fact checked Romney on Benghazi. Crowley was called every name in the book and I don't recall Chuck Todd going to bat for Crowley's performance in that debate. No, MSM does not on a regular basis call out the lies. If they did there wouldn't be so many of them.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Telling the truth has been what your job was. The fact you and your fellow journalists do such a lousy job is why your companies have lost out to other sources. Your telling us that telling the truth is not your job is like a baker saying it is not his job to bake.
Second, considering that many GOP, like yourself, have been hitting this administration long before Obama even got inaugurated, it IS your job to clean up some of what you yourself have done.
If not, do not whine when your company shoves you out of the way.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It won't matter to the Fascists anyway. There are too many Quislings.
They're here. And a Vichy executive.
This is no longer a laughing matter.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)You and that odious Joe Scarborough.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)against attacks that are substantively incorrect about what he said. Instead of going deeper with the issue, we're left with a dialogue that's nothing more than "you said this", "no that's not what I said", "yes it is", no it's not", "yes it is",... and so on. We're left in the idiot zone instead of actually talking about the merits or fallacies of the concepts actually brought up. Even if one disagrees with a point, it's asinine to mischaracterize what was said. And very disingenuous.
rocktivity
(44,588 posts)as I mentioned in Post #14. He didn't misspeak or experience a slip of the tongue.
It is certainly NOT the media's job to sell White House political policy. But it IS the media's job to find out WHY a White House is failing at selling its policies -- AND it's the media's job to point out when those policies are being falsified by others, whether out of naivete, ignorance, incompetence, or self-serving political gain.
On the other hand, this could simply be Chuck's way of saying that MSNBC would like to make more money running pro-Obamacare TV commercials.
rocktivity
lunatica
(53,410 posts)barnabas63
(1,214 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)barnabas63
(1,214 posts)Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)Almost done.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Might my wish come true....100,000? Such a nice round number.
Still kickin'!
DURHAM D
(32,619 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)racist Rethugs to get away with their fucking lies!!!