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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:31 AM Sep 2013

Chuck Todd TARGETED By PETITION For Comments About Obamacare And The Media




The 'Toad' has landed.......


NBC's Chuck Todd just can't escape the backlash over a stray comment he made about the media earlier in the week.The background, briefly: Todd was speaking with former governor Ed Rendell about Obamacare on Wednesday's "Morning Joe." Rendell said that the White House had not sold the program successfully, and that most Americans opposed to Obamacare had probably been given incorrect information about it. Todd replied that, "more importantly," that incorrect information "would be stuff that Republicans have successfully messaged against it." He continued, "They don't repeat the other stuff because they haven't even heard the Democratic message."


Then came the fateful words:

"What I always love is people say, 'Well, it's you folks' fault in the media.' No! It's the President of the United States' fault for not selling it."


That quote led to articles with headlines like "Chuck Todd: It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP's Obamacare Falsehoods," and "MSNBC's Chuck Todd Explains Media Don't Need To Show You No Stinking Facts On Obamacare," and "Inform the Public? Not My Job, Says Chuck Todd."


Todd replied on Twitter:


Somebody decided to troll w/mislding headline: point I actually made was folks shouldn't expect media to do job WH has FAILED to do re: ACA

-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013



I was NOT saying it isn't job of journos to call out lies, I said it was not job of media to sell WH's health care message, it is WH's job

-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013



Unfortunately for Todd, the controversy isn't going away. The latest salvo: a petition on the website Credo Mobilize, which had drawn over 25,000 signatures by Saturday morning, a day after it was posted online. The petition's author, Nicole Belle, accused Todd of having "completely abdicated his responsibility as a journalist":


This shouldn't be hard. Journalists are supposed to inform their audience of facts. When lies are provided for partisan purposes, it is not "doing the job of the White House to sell" a government program to say that these are lies. That's reporting. That's journalism. Someone who just repeats what is said to him without placing it in context is called a stenographer, not a journalist.

Given NBC News' policy of not informing its viewers of the facts about the Affordable Care Act, it should come as no surprise that 70% of the American people don't understand what the law does.

Make no mistake, if Chuck Todd and his other colleagues at NBC News actually fact-checked all the lies that Republicans tell about the Affordable Care Act, that number would be much, much lower. NBC News must accept its culpability in Americans' poor understanding of the law. If NBC's job is to provide factual information to its viewers, it has totally failed the American people.


http://www.credomobilize.com/petitions/tell-nbc-news-correcting-republican-lies-is-part-of-your-job#



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/21/chuck-todd-petition-obamacare-media_n_3967407.html
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Chuck Todd TARGETED By PETITION For Comments About Obamacare And The Media (Original Post) Segami Sep 2013 OP
That condescending ass-hat commercial of his on MSNBC.. barnabas63 Sep 2013 #1
That ad makes me want to vomit: truebluegreen Sep 2013 #66
That's right - access more important than truth. barnabas63 Sep 2013 #74
Todd is an elitist daybranch Sep 2013 #113
I agree completely. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #114
THe problem for Fuckie Todd is that malaise Sep 2013 #2
Are you serious? He never finished college... barnabas63 Sep 2013 #3
Check Wiki malaise Sep 2013 #7
that IS correctomunde! PCIntern Sep 2013 #9
Yes, but all Washington agreed that Luke... JHB Sep 2013 #40
Hey, there's plenty of stupid people who finished college. cui bono Sep 2013 #49
No, Cheviteau Sep 2013 #79
Sorry, I expect people in that position to have an education. barnabas63 Sep 2013 #85
Isn't it unbelievable that the NBC White House alsame Sep 2013 #71
He is not a journalist by any measure of the word... winstars Sep 2013 #8
Except Dianne Feinstein's, of course [nt] pffshht Sep 2013 #84
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2013 #101
Its way past time for NBC to give Todd the boot. I hope we don't have to wait much longer. sueh Sep 2013 #4
Oh please no... fadedrose Sep 2013 #118
C&L open letter to NBC alsame Sep 2013 #5
I'm glad to see David Gregory brought into this. tosh Sep 2013 #61
I WAS JUST THINKING THAT TODD IS NOW FIRMLY IN THE SAME STINKIN' BOAT AS DAVID GREGORY drynberg Sep 2013 #62
+1, "David Gregory doesn't, either" uponit7771 Sep 2013 #102
Good. BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #6
Done! Change has come Sep 2013 #10
Signed...wonder what their goal is? "39257 of 40000 signed.." barnabas63 Sep 2013 #11
looks like the goal is 40,000 I am 39,811 Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #15
nope now it's bumped up to 45,000.... barnabas63 Sep 2013 #16
I have never understood why MSNBC gives this clown air time. winter is coming Sep 2013 #12
He no doubt got his job because he knew someone. That LibDemAlways Sep 2013 #29
Just crossed 40,000 Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #13
Well, here's what he said in 2009 about the McCain-Obama race rocktivity Sep 2013 #14
it is going up by ~100 a minute Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #17
Wonder how many sigs. they need to get anyone's attention? barnabas63 Sep 2013 #18
Millions Stuckinthebush Sep 2013 #24
41,786 Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #19
Those badtards in the MSM had no problems playing cheerleaders for everything Bush wanted DJ13 Sep 2013 #20
As much as I'd like to see Todd fired......... Capt.Rocky300 Sep 2013 #21
Don't you have a *bogus* e-mail account for this sort of thing? WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #25
No on the bogus email address and I do unsubscribe........ Capt.Rocky300 Sep 2013 #27
Seriously, bogus e-mail account. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #31
Thanks, I'll take your advice...... Capt.Rocky300 Sep 2013 #33
I also have a separate email I use just for shopping. cui bono Sep 2013 #52
In the modern age quakerboy Sep 2013 #56
But it's not spam. It's offers from businesses I shop at, which I like receiving for discounts. cui bono Sep 2013 #57
Glad to see the heat this little twit is taking on this. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #22
have no choice but to sign this PatrynXX Sep 2013 #23
Reliable as a corporate mouthpiece? mazzarro Sep 2013 #45
K&R, Signed. stonecutter357 Sep 2013 #26
Signed, sealed and LETS deliver TOAD to the un-employment line!!! benld74 Sep 2013 #28
Signed, now over 44,500 life long demo Sep 2013 #30
This guy has been a shill for the right from day one.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #32
45,405 Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #34
Kick! hedgehog Sep 2013 #35
Signed mcar Sep 2013 #36
Signed, Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #37
Signed! Maybe we should start calling him "Todd-blossom." calimary Sep 2013 #38
+1 truebluegreen Sep 2013 #89
I think this debunks the "Everyone and anyone is a journalist" thread. frazzled Sep 2013 #39
lol TRUE. nm Cha Sep 2013 #69
Signed and rec'd. It's over 47,700 now lunatica Sep 2013 #41
Signed. nt NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #42
K&R and signed. 99Forever Sep 2013 #43
approaching 50,000 now Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #44
@52,000 now - goal at 75,000 rurallib Sep 2013 #50
Done. 48,823 signatures amb123 Sep 2013 #46
I signed a petition. It came to me through my email. Blanks Sep 2013 #47
Obama is a President, not a salesman. murielm99 Sep 2013 #48
Signed - it's at 52,068 of 75,000 signatures n/t csziggy Sep 2013 #51
Signed-52,633 giftedgirl77 Sep 2013 #53
Need to target David Gregory too. cui bono Sep 2013 #54
Todd has always been a repuke corporate whore gopiscrap Sep 2013 #55
Todd is not a journalist. WCGreen Sep 2013 #58
Signed. dgibby Sep 2013 #59
and chuck works for the 'liberal' network spanone Sep 2013 #60
This is hilarious. I wonder if he is freaking out, may be it's the first time he is confronted Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #63
He's still pretending it's a contest between "messages." nyquil_man Sep 2013 #64
what a poser allinthegame Sep 2013 #65
55,447 signatures when I added mine to the list. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #67
Hey Chuck it looks like the soup-of-the-day is..... sgtbenobo Sep 2013 #68
Kick and FYI about the new NBC News boss BumRushDaShow Sep 2013 #70
At 57,080 and counting. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #72
#57,171 Ron Green Sep 2013 #73
Can't stand looking at him and his smug face..... llmart Sep 2013 #76
I signed it! washnwmn Sep 2013 #75
Signed. K & R. n/t veness Sep 2013 #77
Chuck Toad, just doing his job for the 1% orpupilofnature57 Sep 2013 #78
Good. I hope the petition is successful. PotatoChip Sep 2013 #80
lets keep this thing going.... busterbrown Sep 2013 #82
Over 59,000 now lunatica Sep 2013 #81
I usually don't sign petitions but..... ZX86 Sep 2013 #83
Quit watching this tool years ago mdbl Sep 2013 #86
After seeing his Twitter explanations, it's all clear to me that he doesn't "get" his job. pacalo Sep 2013 #87
61,634 now. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #88
I'm posting this from my phone so I hope it's watchable. Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #90
I remember that .... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #99
I beg your pardon sir! Jizz serves a purpose in life. Chugg Toad I'm not so sure. But Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #100
I stand corrected, good sir! Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #103
As would I. I'm sure it fucked up Maher's buzz though. :-) Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2013 #104
I literally LOL'd. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #107
He's a "repeater". Certainly not a journalist or even a 'reporter'. Ineeda Sep 2013 #91
"Repeater" sounds about right BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #110
Done. 64,309 DURHAM D Sep 2013 #92
Right: I'm sure an internet petition has him quaking in his boots .. brooklynite Sep 2013 #93
Maybe, maybe not Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #96
It bothered him enough that he feels he has to defend himself on Twitter BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #111
Fuck Chuck ReRe Sep 2013 #94
Dumb Ass Bigredhunk Sep 2013 #95
Couldn't happen to a bigger dickhead. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #97
Kick for Toad's stupidity. Cha Sep 2013 #98
Chuck Todd, Your Defensive "Defense" Is Offensive So Stop Digging DallasNE Sep 2013 #105
First off DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #106
Already signed. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #108
Don't worry, Fuckie Toad. . .you're not a journalist. You're a dumbass clown Nanjing to Seoul Sep 2013 #109
This is what I hate about so many public discussions. The guy makes a point then has to defend gtar100 Sep 2013 #112
Todd made his point just fine -- he's made it before rocktivity Sep 2013 #116
68,414 now lunatica Sep 2013 #115
kick barnabas63 Sep 2013 #117
kick winstars Sep 2013 #119
Just shy of 80,000 now...sign it if you haven't already barnabas63 Sep 2013 #122
72,534 Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #120
77.160 Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #121
Petition now has more than 93K. DURHAM D Sep 2013 #123
I hope we let up, either! I'm sick and damn tired of these Corporate Media shills allowing these Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #124

barnabas63

(1,214 posts)
1. That condescending ass-hat commercial of his on MSNBC..
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:40 AM
Sep 2013

..where he talks about how he essentially has a privileged access to people and a responsibility to ask the "hard questions" for those who don't have access to the movers and shakers in Washington makes me sick. He's such a tool. Do your job, asshat!

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
66. That ad makes me want to vomit:
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:50 PM
Sep 2013
access is the important thing? Says it all right there. Can't ask any hard questions or do follow-up or fact-check because he might lose his access. I wish to Dog he would, then maybe we would be rid of him.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
113. Todd is an elitist
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:14 AM
Sep 2013

anyone watching him over aa period of time recognizes he cares nothing about the people and does nothing which would subject him to any controversy. His analysis is never more than a quarter inch deep and never going to cause him to lose that precious access. In many ways he is worse than Rush Limbaugh who is unafraid of politicians. Todd is just a kissass who wants to belong to the elite in crowd.
I was very happy to sign the petition. I hope we can direct it at others who lyingly call themselves journalists. Just think what might have happened if the networks and so called journalists were known for conveying useful, informed and logical analyses. We may have know what scum like Kissinger and Nixon were doing to keep the Vietnam War going, we may have avoided Iraq, we may have avoided the Tea party, we may have avoided the debt ceiling fiasco. It is hard to imagine what would not be improved ion this coiuntry if we had honest and frank journalists doing their jobs.
We need to increase pressure on the networks to support real journalists. More petitions please!

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
114. I agree completely.
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 09:34 AM
Sep 2013

Real journalists know that their job is an adversarial one with the power structure, unless they want to be sycophants and stenographers. We need to do away with the mindset that treats the White House Correspondents' Dinner as a good thing--don't know when that started but it has become a mechanism to co-opt the press corps, and boy does it ever work.

malaise

(269,335 posts)
2. THe problem for Fuckie Todd is that
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:44 AM
Sep 2013

he has repeated ReTHUG lies over and over.

No wonder he never finished college - fucking dumb and stupid - a first rate hack.

barnabas63

(1,214 posts)
3. Are you serious? He never finished college...
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:45 AM
Sep 2013

..and he has that position? At least Luke Russert finished college.

malaise

(269,335 posts)
7. Check Wiki
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:49 AM
Sep 2013

Todd attended George Washington University from 1990 to 1994; although he majored in political science and minored in music, he did not graduate.[4]

JHB

(37,166 posts)
40. Yes, but all Washington agreed that Luke...
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:49 PM
Sep 2013

...looked just adorable in his footie pajamas when he tiptoed into cocktail parties to kiss daddy goodnight.

Therefore he has access and therefore he is qualified to do his job. Just don't confuse his job with journalism, no matter what the job title is.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
49. Hey, there's plenty of stupid people who finished college.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:34 PM
Sep 2013

That doesn't make you smart.

There's also plenty of brilliant people who never went to college or dropped out.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
79. No,
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:26 PM
Sep 2013

but finishing college shows you have you have the wherewithal to finish what you've started. Music? Nothing wrong with that, but a reporter it does not make.
On edit: I hate, absolutely hate, when people use "journalist" interchangeable with "reporter". The two are not the same. I'm a journalist. And a damn good one at that. I don't report doodily crap.

2nd edit: why does anyone watch this sputtering idiot anyhow? I'm surprised he has access to the outhouse down by the barn.

barnabas63

(1,214 posts)
85. Sorry, I expect people in that position to have an education.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:00 PM
Sep 2013

Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, that's not the point (ie. Peter Jennings). I don't understand the inclination to downplay formal education as not being necessary. Most of the time it is very necessary for someone who is supposed to practice a knowledge-based profession.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
8. He is not a journalist by any measure of the word...
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:50 AM
Sep 2013

Lest we not forget, he rose to "prominence" during the primaries in 2008 because somehow he sorta could help us understand what a super delegate was. That is how he made his bones. All of a sudden he is this smart guy??? As we use to say in NYC, getthefuckouttahere!!!

I signed the petition, we all should.

If not for this comment than for every single fucking press conference where he is such a jerk off. Always.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
118. Oh please no...
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:26 PM
Sep 2013

Everytime they fire somebody and get somebody new, the replacement is always worse than the original flawed one....

alsame

(7,784 posts)
5. C&L open letter to NBC
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:46 AM
Sep 2013

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/open-letter-deborah-turness-president

<snip>

Please tell me how you have managed to keep someone the Political Director of your news department and have him actually refuse to be responsible to provide facts to your viewership? Sure, maybe Chuck Todd didn't graduate from journalism school (or any university--honorary degrees don't count, Deb), so maybe he can be excused from knowing what a news department employee does. But ultimately, you're his boss, and you have clearly failed him (and the consumers of NBC News) by not providing him with a clear and unambiguous job description.

It's not hard. A journalist informs his/her readership of facts. When non-facts are provided for partisan purposes, it is not "doing the job of the White House to sell" a government program to say that these are LIES. That's reporting. That's journalism. Someone who just repeats what's said to him without placing it in context is called a stenographer. And that is beyond the poor little pea brain of your political director to understand.

Actually, that's not fair. It's not only Chuck Todd who can't grasp that simple concept. David Gregory doesn't, either. Which points, once again, to a systemic issue that your new stewardship of NBC News must address.

Don't believe me? I have link after link after link after link after link after link after link after link that prove I'm right and you are now heading a miserable failure of a major news department.

tosh

(4,425 posts)
61. I'm glad to see David Gregory brought into this.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:25 PM
Sep 2013

He is just as bad as Todd. I can't see how either one obtained his title with NBC.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
62. I WAS JUST THINKING THAT TODD IS NOW FIRMLY IN THE SAME STINKIN' BOAT AS DAVID GREGORY
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:35 PM
Sep 2013

They both have sold their souls and careers to the 1%ers, fuck 'em both!

BumRushDaShow

(130,081 posts)
6. Good.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:46 AM
Sep 2013

I ironically saw the segment when that asshole made the comment (happened to walk by the teevee at work that had Mourning Schmoe on). It's the arrogance of dumbasses like Schmuck Toad who feign ignorance of their yellow journalism while they deceive viewers and purposely muddle important information... all so they can generate a controversy to bleat about.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
15. looks like the goal is 40,000 I am 39,811
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:10 PM
Sep 2013

I bet they will increase it to 50,000 then 75,000 and so on and so on.

You never want to look like you didn't reach your goal. Better to keep moving the posts.


edit to add, it jumped to 45,000 as I posted.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
12. I have never understood why MSNBC gives this clown air time.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:06 PM
Sep 2013

He must be related to someone, or know where some bodies are buried.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
29. He no doubt got his job because he knew someone. That
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sep 2013

has long been the only way to get a job in any area of the media. Meantime, thousands of well qualified college graduates are unemployed or underemployed simply because they don't have the right connections.

rocktivity

(44,588 posts)
14. Well, here's what he said in 2009 about the McCain-Obama race
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:10 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:47 AM - Edit history (2)

If you simply judged the last three months of the 2008 campaign by which campaign "won" the daily news cycle, McCain came out ahead...

To which I responded: "Don't be so quick to pat yourself on the back, Chuckie...The blogosphere (despite the attempts of First Read and Politico to muscle in) is the REAL reason why...(we)...learned that the Clintons also had ties to Wright and Rezko, that there were...controversial clergypeople in the McCain/Palin camp, and that Joe the Plumber WASN'T a plumber."

Unlike Todd, however, I am willing to be fair and balanced enough to praise him for NOT busting out laughing when Mitt Romney suggested that he should not be attacked on "personal" issues like his tax and business records!


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/mitt-romney-would-like-everyone-to-stop-talking-about-his-taxes-and-business-record-please/

P.S. Has his esteemed colleague Rachel Maddow weighed in on this?


rocktivity
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
17. it is going up by ~100 a minute
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
Sep 2013

I used the stopwatch app on my phone and it went up 97 votes in I minute, or as close as I could get to one minute depending on how quickly my browser refreshed.

Just thought I would share that.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
21. As much as I'd like to see Todd fired.........
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
Sep 2013

it isn't worth paying the price of receiving emails from Credo trying to sell me stuff I don't want. Our best friends, good progressives that they are, signed up with Credo. They bailed as soon as they could. I'll just email NBC and voice my displeasure with them directly.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
25. Don't you have a *bogus* e-mail account for this sort of thing?
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:48 PM
Sep 2013

And if you don't like receiving e-mails, why not use the Unsubscribe feature?

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
27. No on the bogus email address and I do unsubscribe........
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:54 PM
Sep 2013

but it gets old. Sign one progressive petition online and all of a sudden organizations I've never heard of are sending me pleas for money. As I said, it gets old.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
33. Thanks, I'll take your advice......
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:17 PM
Sep 2013

Like my lawyer once said to me, "You're too damned honest for your own good".

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
52. I also have a separate email I use just for shopping.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:39 PM
Sep 2013

Then I don't mind the barrage of emails since I don't have to look at them. And when I need to buy something I take a peek and see if there's any sale offers.

I just make sure to go in and pick out the order confirmation emails as soon as I place an order somewhere.

I have separate email for my business/finances and for political stuff and work and personal as well. Sometimes it's a pain, but I think it's better than having everything lumped together.

quakerboy

(13,925 posts)
56. In the modern age
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:08 PM
Sep 2013

a decent spam filter will deal with virtually all of that stuff. You dont even really need a second email account. Not that I dont have too many email accounts for various purposes anyway, but its not nearly as necessary as it once was.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
57. But it's not spam. It's offers from businesses I shop at, which I like receiving for discounts.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:11 PM
Sep 2013

I still get plenty of spam in my spam box.

I do it for organizational purposes.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
23. have no choice but to sign this
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 12:44 PM
Sep 2013

Chuck used to be reliable of lat ethough looks like he's been trying to get a job on Fox Noise because he's become biased

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
32. This guy has been a shill for the right from day one....
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:10 PM
Sep 2013

All he ever does is echo their latest talking points. He isn't the only one to reduce the Presidency to a sales job.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
37. Signed,
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:31 PM
Sep 2013

but I doubt very seriously MSNBC will give a damn. Even at approx. 45K people right now who signed it, that is still a very small handful of viewers and Americans in general.

calimary

(81,608 posts)
38. Signed! Maybe we should start calling him "Todd-blossom."
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:44 PM
Sep 2013

A riff on "Turd Blossom" that still fits kkkarl rove to a T.

Very happy to see this is starting to pick up some attention. Huffington Post, for example.

As a retired broadcast journalist myself, it's my opinion that reporters, anchors, and interviewers DO have an obligation to present the truth, and correct the record when it's presented incorrectly, or misrepresented entirely. That's why you ask those follow-up questions (that nobody seems interested in asking anymore - because they insist on clinging to the pre-assembled list of questions rather than responding to funky flimsy "answers" that need further examination, vetting, probing, and challenging).

Remember when Rachel Maddow had rand paul on, when he was running for Senate, and she asked him about his hands-off attitude towards government vigilance on social justice and racial equality issues? And he danced and dawdled and made excuses and she kept at it. And the segment ran long and even slopped over into the next segment (when something else had been planned), and she threw out the plans and kept at it with rand paul. She even commented by the end of the extended interview that she had all these other questions she hadn't been able to get to because she felt compelled to follow up on this racist-apologist bullshit he was spewing - and that he never fully answered but just kept weaseling around.

THAT is journalism. Candy Crowley even accidentally committed it during that debate she moderated between President obama and wrongney. And she corrected the record when mitt went off on the party line of misrepresenting and distorting the White House's Benghazi reaction. I was stunned! Pleasantly surprised that she'd do that. I was NOT expecting it.

Tim Russert never did that. He sat there on the other side of the table from cheney, rummy, wolfie, dougie, rove, contradicta, and a cast of thousands of bush2 cretins and liars and apologists and just smiled and nodded his head while trying to look really earnest and impartial, and didn't question Thing One about ANY of their assertions. Just let 'em stovepipe it straight through the TV to the gullible "Meet the Press" viewers at home - who had no one setting the record straight so they could get the facts and the truth about the Iraq war. All those folks at NBC News who still speak of him with hushed tones - I don't get it. Doesn't make ANY sense. That was one thing I always disliked about Keith Olbermann. He practically burned incense to the guy. Sorry. Tim Russert was a wholly-owned subsidiary.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
39. I think this debunks the "Everyone and anyone is a journalist" thread.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 01:48 PM
Sep 2013

Which was a hot topic here yesterday (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023704559), in response to Congress trying to define journalism with respect to the shield law.

I responded by to the OP's contention that "Posting on discussion boards is journalism" by asking whether my posting ""An Obamacare death panel killed my grandmother!" would make me a journalist. The response was yes.

Well, under this definition of journalism, then I guess it's true Chuck Todd doesn't have to correct GOP lies. You can just say anything, true or false, and be a journalist. But that's not what we want or expect out of journalism. Thanks, Chuck Todd, for helping to underscore exactly what is and isn't journalism. (We agree that you're not doing a journalist's job when you don't analyze the veracity of statements and just regurgitate opinions. Not everybody is a journalist. Not Chuck Todd, apparently, either.)

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
47. I signed a petition. It came to me through my email.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:11 PM
Sep 2013

Not too long ago I didn't believe petitions did any good, but we didn't bomb Syria, and that has me wondering.

murielm99

(30,787 posts)
48. Obama is a President, not a salesman.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:25 PM
Sep 2013

He is supposed to govern, not sell things, asshole.

I never called him Toad. I thought it was childish. Now, maybe I will.

I heard the comment live, and I seldom watch TV news. I was outraged.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
54. Need to target David Gregory too.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:02 PM
Sep 2013

I was looking for the quote where he said it's not a journalist's job to challenge what people say, or something like that but couldn't find it. I did, however, stumble across this great DK post that has some great examples of him pushing GOP lies:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/21/1147916/-David-Gregory-Impartial-Journalist-or-Republican-Shill

I knew he danced with Rove, but this post says he also attended Limbaugh's wedding!

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
58. Todd is not a journalist.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:17 PM
Sep 2013

What he basically said is it isn't my job to question the truth of what is being said but to only report.

If more journalist took the people they are covering to task for what they are saying, perhaps our culture would be in a much better place.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
63. This is hilarious. I wonder if he is freaking out, may be it's the first time he is confronted
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:41 PM
Sep 2013

by so many people who think he's an asshole. And does this mean that now poor Chuck will
have to call out those he interviews with facts? Uh oh, he may actually feel obligated to do some
work now.


LOL, enjoy it Todd.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
64. He's still pretending it's a contest between "messages."
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:44 PM
Sep 2013

No, Chuck. It's a contest between facts and lies.

washnwmn

(28 posts)
75. I signed it!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:21 PM
Sep 2013

Chuck Todd is 1 good reason I don't get most of my news from NBC. I have never liked Chuck Todd's reports, and it's way past time he was taken to task. I was happy to sign the petition. Don't care much for Chris Matthews either.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
82. lets keep this thing going....
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:47 PM
Sep 2013

Have at least 30 sigs.. myself...Friends, Friend of Friends, relatives etc.

Why can’t this site snake at least 300,00 signatures alone?

KICK IT!

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
83. I usually don't sign petitions but.....
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:53 PM
Sep 2013

The likes of Chuck Todd pissing on my leg day after day and not having the common decency to even call it rain is a bit much. Yeah Chuck I know job isn't to be weather man but I think you're missing the point.

I'm glad this issue is surviving beyond one day. The idea that the political director of a major news organization believes he has no role in keeping the consumers of his product informed is beyond the pale. Whether or not the White House "sells" ACA or not does not absolve you from informing the public. I don't care if the White House Press Secretary starts conducting press conferences in Vulcan. Your job is to inform the public regardless and if that means hunting down some Trekker nerd and having him translate every word from Vulcan to English that's what you do.

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
86. Quit watching this tool years ago
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:57 PM
Sep 2013

To me, he proved himself a partisan journalist long ago. I just change the channel if he happens to show up on the screen.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
87. After seeing his Twitter explanations, it's all clear to me that he doesn't "get" his job.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:02 PM
Sep 2013
Somebody decided to troll w/mislding headline: point I actually made was folks shouldn't expect media to do job WH has FAILED to do re: ACA

-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013



I was NOT saying it isn't job of journos to call out lies, I said it was not job of media to sell WH's health care message, it is WH's job

-- Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 18, 2013





Or has the "Fourth Estate" been officially declared passé?

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
99. I remember that ....
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:32 AM
Sep 2013

... more people need to watch this just for Scahill's brilliant analysis, as well as, his smack down of Todd.

I also read that Todd complained to Scahill after the show something along the lines of "Why did you call me out like that on TV?"

Chuck Todd is a slimy little gizz stain on the blanket of infotainment.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,514 posts)
100. I beg your pardon sir! Jizz serves a purpose in life. Chugg Toad I'm not so sure. But
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:36 AM
Sep 2013

seriously, Scahill did talk about it on a radio show and that's pretty much what happened. Apparently after each taping the guests go out with Maher for drinks or something and needless to say it was awkwaaaard.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
103. I stand corrected, good sir!
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:52 AM
Sep 2013

It's painfully obvious that Jizz outperforms Chuck Todd in the "Usefulness" department. A fact that will not go unnoticed again.

And yes, I can imagine that that would be an awkward outing. I would have loved to be a fly on that wall.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
91. He's a "repeater". Certainly not a journalist or even a 'reporter'.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:01 PM
Sep 2013

I call him and those like him a 'repeater' because he only repeats the talking points he's commanded to.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
110. "Repeater" sounds about right
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:26 AM
Sep 2013

Someone called him a stenographer the other day, but I don't think Chuckie could keep up with real stenographers.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
96. Maybe, maybe not
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:02 AM
Sep 2013

But the word is getting out to MS-NBC and raising the awareness of thousands who see the petition.

Now over 65,000. That says something.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
111. It bothered him enough that he feels he has to defend himself on Twitter
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:30 AM
Sep 2013

Cockroaches don't like the light.

Bigredhunk

(1,356 posts)
95. Dumb Ass
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:52 AM
Sep 2013

No, it's not your job to sell a party's (or a president's) policies. It is your job to call bullshit when you know people are lying. If you're at a briefing...& you ask President Obama a question...& you know his answer is a lie...then it's your job to call that out.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
97. Couldn't happen to a bigger dickhead.
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:08 AM
Sep 2013

I remember when Jeremy Scahill smacked him down on Realtime with Bill Maher a few years back.

I hope Todd is shown the fucking door.

DallasNE

(7,404 posts)
105. Chuck Todd, Your Defensive "Defense" Is Offensive So Stop Digging
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:18 AM
Sep 2013

When someone confronted Chuck Todd a couple of days ago by questioning the role MSM has played in this Todd bristled that it is not the job of the media to point out and correct the false statements by either side and blamed Obama for not getting his message out. There Todd admitted that he is nothing more than a stenographer spouting right wing causes. Plus, it is MSM that decides what stenographic efforts get broadcast so while Obama can make available his message and when MSM broadcasts the message of Ted Cruz instead it throws the problem right back in Chuck Todd's lap and that is the role MSM plays in the lopsided coverage of what is presented to the American people. We're still waiting for your answer Chuck Todd. Remember the uproar in the Obama/Romney debate where Candy Crowley fact checked Romney on Benghazi. Crowley was called every name in the book and I don't recall Chuck Todd going to bat for Crowley's performance in that debate. No, MSM does not on a regular basis call out the lies. If they did there wouldn't be so many of them.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
106. First off
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:21 AM
Sep 2013

Telling the truth has been what your job was. The fact you and your fellow journalists do such a lousy job is why your companies have lost out to other sources. Your telling us that telling the truth is not your job is like a baker saying it is not his job to bake.

Second, considering that many GOP, like yourself, have been hitting this administration long before Obama even got inaugurated, it IS your job to clean up some of what you yourself have done.

If not, do not whine when your company shoves you out of the way.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
108. Already signed.
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:04 AM
Sep 2013

It won't matter to the Fascists anyway. There are too many Quislings.

They're here. And a Vichy executive.

This is no longer a laughing matter.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
109. Don't worry, Fuckie Toad. . .you're not a journalist. You're a dumbass clown
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:13 AM
Sep 2013

You and that odious Joe Scarborough.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
112. This is what I hate about so many public discussions. The guy makes a point then has to defend
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:47 AM
Sep 2013

against attacks that are substantively incorrect about what he said. Instead of going deeper with the issue, we're left with a dialogue that's nothing more than "you said this", "no that's not what I said", "yes it is", no it's not", "yes it is",... and so on. We're left in the idiot zone instead of actually talking about the merits or fallacies of the concepts actually brought up. Even if one disagrees with a point, it's asinine to mischaracterize what was said. And very disingenuous.

rocktivity

(44,588 posts)
116. Todd made his point just fine -- he's made it before
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:04 PM
Sep 2013

as I mentioned in Post #14. He didn't misspeak or experience a slip of the tongue.

It is certainly NOT the media's job to sell White House political policy. But it IS the media's job to find out WHY a White House is failing at selling its policies -- AND it's the media's job to point out when those policies are being falsified by others, whether out of naivete, ignorance, incompetence, or self-serving political gain.

On the other hand, this could simply be Chuck's way of saying that MSNBC would like to make more money running pro-Obamacare TV commercials.


rocktivity

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
124. I hope we let up, either! I'm sick and damn tired of these Corporate Media shills allowing these
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:26 PM
Sep 2013

racist Rethugs to get away with their fucking lies!!!

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