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Well done.
Nicholas D. Savino, 42, 328 Melrose Ave., was indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury in Scranton on charges of threatening to kill the president of the United States and transmitting communication in interstate commerce because he threatened the president via email.
Mr. Savino also held a permit to carry concealed firearms, issued by Lackawanna County in November. The license will be revoked, Dominick Manetti, chief deputy of the Lackawanna County sheriff's office, said Friday. Revocation is standard for anyone accused of a crime, he said.
The U.S. attorney's office for the Middle District of Pennsylvania said Thursday that Mr. Savino sent an email to the White House on Aug. 16 that read: "President Obama is the Anti-Christ. As a result of breaking the constitution you will stand down or be shot dead. This will be sent to militias throughout the country and the media. Nick Savino."
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/officials-clarks-summit-man-accused-of-threatening-obama-kept-loaded-ar-15-1.1552144
hlthe2b
(102,636 posts)wild bird
(421 posts)This asshat will probably be spending some quality time courtesy of the Fed. Govt. in Club Fed for the next 20 years or so.
How the fuck did this nut get a permit in the first place, that should be investigated also.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Me too!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Yeah, I know there are exceptions, but I guarantee most toters are callous right wingers.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Fact is, you DON'T know that.
The perp is obviously warped or stupid or both, and I don't think he'll be carrying any weapons for a long time, concealed or otherwise.
Bake
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Democrats are the majority of those who arm up?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It gives me faith that our laws are working and that our enforcement, while spotty, worked in this case.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts).....this has never happened before"
TeamPooka
(24,342 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)training manuals on long-range shooting, and even be a member of one of the referenced militia groups, but it is not a.o.k. to threaten our President. This incident is enough to make one wonder how many Nick Savino-types/wannabees are out there considering the large number of domestic gun-toters, spewers of hate, and militias. One wonders the combined threat domestic haters pose to our national security as opposed to the threat posed by any/all foreign groups. One also wonders if the resources devoted to domestic threats to our national security are sufficient when compared to the resources devoted to foreign al Que-da-types.
Bake
(21,977 posts)It's not OK to threaten the President.
Bake
billh58
(6,635 posts)Freedom, and My Rights. Guns 'R Good. America is number one in gun violence, and damned proud of it!
indepat
(20,899 posts)boots and willingly give up much of their freedom to be kept absolutely safe from any foreign terraist threat are a very special people indeed. But for food for thought: Benjamin Franklin mused contemptuously of those willing to give up their liberty for a little safety.
so if he did not own guns and a CCW he would not have been arrested
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Not for gun ownership and concealed carry.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I'm on their 'domestic enemies' list. I know what their hyped 2nd Amendment Solution means for me.
The list is posted publicly everyday on hate radio and websites. The poor, disabled, minorities and those who don't go with their religion or ideology, are on that list.
Life in a war zone is no good. Fascists do no stop being fascists just because they use the language of the Constitution or are waving the American flag.
They are still fascists and are itching for violence to rob us of our rights and lives under the cover of war. The greatest fortunes in history were made this way. They talk openly of how it is their god-given right to have the land and wealth of this nation, that others should be enslaved or die to get out of their new, but really old, way of doing things.
I'm not in denial, no one should be. This guy is just one of millions who seek a new identity and cause since their privilege has been discredited. But they have enclaves from which they operate, in media, in states controlled by TP legislators and governors. They hold majority in the HoR in D.C.
I don't want to see liberal government come down on these guys, giving them the slightest moral standing for what they are doing. We'd better unify and be strong or they'll tear this nation apart for those who are ready to divide it up into fiefdoms.
malaise
(269,505 posts)Excellent post
Robb
(39,665 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Imagine taking a hike in your local woods and coming upon characters toting semi-automatic weapons, dressed in camo and wearing masks. Then imagine finding out they are militia-movement followers hired by a mining operation to protect against "eco-terrorists." That's what's been happening to people living in northern Wisconsin lately...Kate Sheppard at Mother Jones has been on the scene and monitoring these developments:
Local activist Rob Ganson, 56, first came upon three heavily armed guards while leading a small group on a hike to view the mining site. (The drilling site is on private land, but the owner has been given a tax break in exchange for keeping it open to public use.) The guards, said Ganson, carried semi-automatic guns, were dressed in camouflage, and wore masks covering their faces...After they determined that the guards worked for Arizona-based Bulletproof Security, Ganson and the other activists posted their photos of the guards online, drawing local and national news coverage of the mine, a proposed four-mile-long, 1,000-feet-deep open pit operation in Ashland and Iron counties. In June, the company began exploratory drilling in the region for taconite, a type of iron ore used in steel.
Last Wednesday, the mining company, Gogebic TaconiteG-Tac for shorta subsidiary of the West Virginia-based Cline Group, pulled the armed guards after finding that the security firm lacked permits to work in the state. A spokesman for the company has said that the Bulletproof guards will be back once they're properly licensed.
One of the activists in the area, however, told Mother Jones on Monday that a new group of armed guardsincluding one whose shirt bore the insignia for Watchmen of America, a militia group active in at least 21 stateswas on patrol last Thursday, the day after Gogebic Taconite pulled the Bulletproof guards. This was followed shortly by heated denials from the Watchmen...
As Mary Catherine O'Connor at Outside reports, this is all taking place in a context where the mining officials are labeling local protesters "eco terrorists" and using the flimsiest of pretexts to bring in militia-style thugs to intimidate the locals.
Let's hope Americans remember that in Italy and Germany, fascists first gained political traction and moved out of the fringe of politics in the 1920s when they were hired by large landowners and businessmen as thugs to beat up and harass union organizers and land reformers, all under the rubric of calling them "communists". This is an ominous development indeed.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/ominous-alliance-militiamen-showing-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023340239
Thanks for saying what needs to be said on a Democratic board. Bravo!
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)for us to limit magazine clips? 20, 50, 100, 200, 250? With people carrying this much ammo we will eventually have an incident where hundreds die all at the same time. I wonder if we will be ready to limit magazine clips then?
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)11000 rounds of ammo would take 367 30-round magazines. In reality, that ammo was probably in cardboard cases of 1000 rounds (or 500 rounds) stacked on his garage floor. Since ammo does not have expiration dates, buying in bulk (by the case) is cheaper than buying by the box (20 rounds) just like for most other items.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Probably a couponer.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Buying 11000 rounds of ammo by the box (550 boxes) is much more work than having 22 cases shipped to your house. Never mind the cost savings.
Robb
(39,665 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)was there something of substance you wanted to add to the conversation? (Not that there is anything wrong with you bringing some comic relief to the thread.)
NickB79
(19,310 posts)On many forums for gun owners, you can find all sorts of coupon codes for discounts at online shooting supply stores.
And with the cost of ammo skyrocketing, yes, most high-volume shooters these days have become very thrifty. All the AR-15 shooters have switched to cheap .22LR, which means I can't find any .22LR for my bolt-action squirrel-hunting rifle. So, a lot of .22LR shooters like myself have switched to high-velocity pellet rifles. Now, quality air rifle pellets are drying up.
NickB79
(19,310 posts)I don't think ANYONE is gonna be carrying around that kind of load-out to a firefight anytime soon.
Hell, the standard load-out for a US Marine is 300 rounds.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Or do we need a pre-crime division?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Through an adequate vetting process?
Obviously ........ a FAIL!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)An entire history of a person? What happens if you get one and then later have issues? If someone who had mental issues in the 90's (overdosed/whatever) should that person be branded for life from being able to get a gun or ccw?
And what role did ccw play in this case? How many with a ccw do such things compared to the total amount of people with one - and should we base how we treat the many based on the few (which the RW does with muslims)?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Yup! As far as being issued a CCW is concerned.
Look at the questions on ATF Form 4473!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)or just one right?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Buh-bye!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Well, do ya'?
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I am not seeing anything, possible I missed the reason to deny him previously - but since he had to have a check prior to getting it am guessing there was not previously a reason.
Please attempt to explain what would have prevented him, in your mind, from getting one up until this incident (if you can).
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Thanks, that's all I need to know!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)that at the time he got one he should not have had one.
I know this is am emotional issue for you (versus a rights issues) but try to at least make an attempt to explain why, until now, he should have been denied one.
Maybe I missed something in the story that he got one using fraud, a problem in the system, etc. He should not have one now, we can agree on that, but unless we employ psychics when issuing such permits I don't see how the system did not operate as it was designed to do.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)YOU make the case!
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I have been merely asking why, prior to this, he would have been denied one.
You obviously have no reason, so the system functioned as it was designed to and this case is not about ccw at all and has no bearing on it.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)RL
billh58
(6,635 posts)must be so proud that one of their acolytes is getting lots of press coverage for them.
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