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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYa Know... Non-Liberals Talking About The "Conscience" OF A Liberal... Should STFU...
That is all.
samplegirl
(11,504 posts)and rec!
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)to call em on it . + 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Rex
(65,616 posts)Right now I am being given links to things that don't say what are written in the content area! I've never seen liberal bashers flop all over themselves so darn hard! It must be so sad to feel that kind of self loathing.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)They look like the Keystone Kops trying to stop 100 leaks in the dam.
Pretty funny really.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The CYA is almost as much a work of art as the WH playing CYA over the NSA spying on all our naughty bits.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Damn work and stuff...
EDIT: Found it! Not posting in that thread so I won't kick it.
"the most effective liberal to have entered the White House in nearly a century"
Who the fuck are they talking about??? I know it can't be Obama.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)backs warmed over Republican ideas created by the Heritage Foundation
This one was a sloberknocker!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3662610
NealK
(1,885 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)ever. they never mischaracterize them. ever.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And how would we know one... in the wild?
Or... on a discussion board?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)some of us resent being made to feel we don't belong here just because we don't hold to a specific liberal orthodoxy on every single issue.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)The old saw.... that the only things in the middle of the road... are Armadillos and stripes...
Is funny... but not so informative.
What I want to know is... what a Centrist IS...And how they differ from one party to another
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Spandan has probably attacked Jim Hightower, too.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Republican, which he voted like when he was a Democrat . A liberal Republican or centrist was Theodore Roosevelt a President that promoted liberal Democrat views, which is why the Pukers ditched him .
Autumn
(45,120 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)I would think a "centrist" or "moderate" would be someone who has views that are held by both the left and the right. An example may be that you are both pro-choice and pro death penalty. You support single payer health care and voter ID laws. You are a strong union supporter who also thinks we should build a fence on the border with Mexico. Plenty of examples like that.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I not only voted for Obama twice, I donated him, and I didn't drop him like yesterday's newspaper just because the going gets tough.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm talking about your position as a pro-war anti-liberal shitmonger. Your support or lack thereof of the president does not matter at all with regards to your own opinions, attitudes, and posts. You can't divest yourself of your own words, no matter how much you try to toss them into the president's mouth.
Stop using "I'm a loyal democrat!" as a shield for your shitty positions and arguments. I get enough of that from an openly fascist poster in I/P, I don't need to deal with it out here in GD.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Some would say when you support a President you use their title.
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)What does that mean?
It sounds like what you are saying is Obama, right or wrong. No matter what he does or fails to do, Obamas your guy.
A lot of people don't feel like that. I am one of them. I care a lot more about specific accomplishments, attempts, failures than I do about any given individual. Earning my vote is not the same thing as earning my lifelong loyalty, no matter what you do.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)just discussing . And starting a post Accusing Specifically LIBERAL people out for a lack of conscience, is being Judgmental and imposing what is moral, so spare me the sob story .
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)because we have the sense to know who are our true predators.
Thanks for that, really.
-p
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Hardly anyone here but trolls took right-wing memes like "hate-America-first" seriously.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)The only time I'd ever heard "Blame America First" was from the craziest and nastiest of the right wingers.
I just googled it to see who uses it, and sure enough it's the nastiest of the right wingers: Samantha Power (Brietbart.com), Michael Barone (Real Clear Politics), Michelle Malkin, and assorted other first class assholes.
It's a phrase that says a great deal more about the person shrieking it than it does about whoever they're screaming at.
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take your pretzel talking points over to the other side. You *'s automagically assume everyone's voting R just cause we're critical of our president.
Leaps and bounds seems to be what "centrist's" (and I use that term loosely) need make their logic work.
Your the folks who help a left leaning group change and slowly push them right so no wonder you luv the President cause he's giving you what you want.
So yea, let the door hit ya on your way out.
geeze now you've gone and made me add you to my ignore list.
frustrated_lefty
(2,774 posts)They are hypocrites whose position on any issue is determined by convenience rather than values, moral judgment or even rational thought.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)No one in their right mind takes anything from that site seriously. It is good though for finding out where all the lame attacks on 'the left' emanate from. Other than that, it is a joke.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)way, being banned from Liberal sites isn't getting them anywhere. I am amazed they've lasted so long here. I always wondered if the 'founder' isn't a Right Winger who goes to Liberal sites like this to create dissension. He sure isn't a Liberal.
People would be better off letting that garbage sink. He thrives on the reactions he gets, but doesn't usually last this long which is a shame.
JHB
(37,163 posts)...now messed up on Jay-zus" fire-breathing converts to evangelical Christianity. Same flaws, just swapping out which way they are pointed. For a political example: David Horowitz, who flipped from one radicalism to another. Or, less radically, Chris Matthews, who will gush at whatever sends a tingle down his leg (his description, not mine) and can always be counted on to twist around by pointing over his shoulder and saying "Look! It's Bill Clinton's dick!"
Case in point: he rails at "purity trolls" with the same brook-no-dissent- fervor of... a purity troll. But then, in 2007 he was exactly the sort of "purity troll" he now complains about.
Let's just say I find no reason to value his powers of analysis even when he's on "my" side.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)a Think Tank who came up with that language to trash the Left way back around 2004.
I remember well when they began using that idiotic 'language' to try to put down the Left. It is old history now, but they cling to what they probably paid big money for. Someone, someday will write about the history of the beginning of the attacks on the Left from 'within' the Dem Party.
They had a whole 'bag' of these 'epithets' to hurl around, but at this point, all their old 'language to attack the Left with' is simply a way to identify them with. 'I belong to the Reality Based Community' is another. Old, tired and failed strategy to attack the left with, so I'm not surprised to learn that the People's View is still using that old garbage long ago identified with right wing infiltrators to the Dem Party.
NealK
(1,885 posts)Lol, here's what their reality looks like:
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Now they've backed off and are using the tried and true "pacifist" as a slur.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Halliburton making money all along the way and the pols that go-along get-along j'ess fine.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)For too many, it'shard enough to find something worth learning as it is.
Yeah because disagreeing with Snowden is "siding with the police state."
And trying to smear the People's View in the hopes you can scare some people off of reading it? Really?
These tactics are despicable and prove you have no argument.
No we don't "side with a police state" because we think Snowden should face trial. Talk about your own echo chamber. There is so much wrong with your statement it would take hours to point it all out.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From "The People's View":
The idea that Edward Snowden has a "right to asylum" is preposterous, and centers around the even more idiotic idea that Snowden is being persecuted in the United States for political reasons. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ed Snowden is being charged with stealing and distributing classified information under the Espionage Act, and espionage is a legitimate crime in every country that signed the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Snowden's applications for asylum are an abuse of Article 14.
...
The reason Edward Snowden has no way out is not because it is physically daunting to get over to Latin America from Russia while also avoiding the airspace of US allies. The proper reason those allies can deny airspace to aircrafts suspected of carrying Snowden is not simply their sovereignty; it is also that they correctly recognize Snowden's claims of asylum as an abuse of Article 14 of the UNDHR, rather than a proper use of it. The reason Edward Snowden is stuck and has no way out is because his claim that he has a "right" to asylum is wholly without merit.
Except the United States commits acts of war to silence a guy who exposed unconstitutional surveillance of Americans. You, as well as "The People's View" should know that.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)on govt over reach is undemocratic. I don't think I am the only one.
marmar
(77,096 posts)To call that post a POS is an insult to excrement.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)if you are against the surveillance state and willy nilly bombing of other countries you are a Putin worshipper. Makes sense, right?
gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)And thank you for keeping the NSA horrors front and center, much appreciated!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)All this internicine crap is poisoning DU.
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)liberals, as does the post in question.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)It's the third time this week some random has told me to stfu on DU that is Democratic Underground not libertarian Underground
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)I replied in the bashing thread, and others that the greedy spamming blogger started. Reply in the context of the problem.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The same poisoners doing the same old thing.
KG
(28,753 posts)'all you lefties stayed home on 2010!'
Rex
(65,616 posts)any of the obvious problems in which we find ourselves. Just simple sloganeering and an agenda imo.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)haters or the Left. I believe we needed this period to see the way things really are, and the younger generation is about to put a 'spanner in the works' of the Third Way that infiltrated the Democratic Party. I am actually excited about what is happening. It is BECAUSE of the New Left that they couldn't get their Syria War started.
Marr
(20,317 posts)the party should look to the right, or as they call it 'the center'.
Same shit every time. When corporate Dems win, it's a resounding validation of their politics. When they lose, the left is to blame for not supporting them.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)There really, really aren't a lot of ultra-high conscience far Left out there. Sorry if I busted your balloon.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)They were already banned from Du once before, it is pretty obvious why when you see the kinds of OPs they post on a regular basis. "The peoples view" is about as credible as any other crazed right winger web site around.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Party. Even they saw the disruptive nature of this element that seems to troll Liberal Blogs creating dissension.
Best to not even comment on those threads and let them die the natural death they deserve. But they know how to egg people on I guess. I never comment or kick those threads. Best to start a counter thread and draw the action away from their disruption.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I don't come to DU to see threads about hating on liberals and progressives. If I want to see that, I will go browse Free Republic. So when I see threads like this one referring to a trollish thread, I have to log out to see what is causing the ruckus and disruption, and sure enough, it is this "peoples view" clown again.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)complimentary about what has become of DU these days.
I don't come here either to see Right Wing trash about Liberals, I too could go to FR if that is what I wanted to see.
I am surprised that it hasn't been figured out yet here. Hopefully before a lot of liberals leave the site, it will be.
Trash thread is the best option for that kind of right wing trash.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)They don't exactly add much positive to the atmosphere of DU, that is for sure.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)But it is enlightening to see them out themselves for what they are and expose their agenda and methods...at least it is for me.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)disruption and those who outed themselves as supporters of this Right Wing BS. It's always good to see the exposure, so in that sense it serves a purpose.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And not just in that case
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I love those threads, although I wouldn't bother kicking them with any kind of response, but they are like fly paper, they bring out all the anti-left contingency which is generally not a surprise, but it's nice to see them all in one place.
They are not going to be happy with the rise of the NEW LEFT that is happening right now which will put an end to the takeover of the Democratic Party by the Right under that banner of The Third Way. They are about to become obsolete with their disastrous policies.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)... let Fox News and Rush do their thinking for them. If you can call it thinking!
Warpy
(111,367 posts)'cause they heard about it from some (conservative) talking head on the radio.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Liberals (despite the name calling) criticizing other liberals for hypocrisy, knee-jerk reactions and overall flawed thinking need to "STFU"?
Dripping with irony with a twinge of whining.
Oops, forgot the "blue linky"
Many members who voted for tough stance on Syria now oppose military action
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662378
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)how your link to your own OP has anything to do with the The People's View, an extremist, Liberal hating blog that has been pretty much banned from other Liberal Sites due to the fact that they are here only to stir up dissension?
Enlighten us as to how this OP of yours has anything to do with the topic of 'disrupters'.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Does that make you feel like starting a thread complaining about my posting the link?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)a thread about known trolls?? You do know the history of the People's View I presume? They are trolls who are not welcome on most Liberal forums. Haters of the Left and well known as such.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)What about that do you not understand?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)how in the world she was to get out again.
― Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
ProSense
(116,464 posts)You're on your own.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)your giving her shit cause she can't read your mind.
-p
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Can't blame you. It is pretty elusive.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)The beta version is very limited.
Marr
(20,317 posts)NealK
(1,885 posts)No pun intended but you don't make much sense. So you consider yourself a Liberal? Strange but I could swear that you were part of the "Proud Members of the Reality Based Community".
And a blue linky for you:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023663739#post114
SixString
(1,057 posts)blue neen
(12,328 posts)or the definition of a liberal; or where a "centrist" stands, or how you would recognize a "centrist in the wild".
IMHO, however, I've always believed that liberals are open to other people's opinions and ways of thinking.
At least, that's the type of Democratic household we were raised in----that we would never tell someone with a different point of view to STFU.
JHB
(37,163 posts)Guys like this are why I say the "Krugman seat" on "the bus" is like a Ferris wheel: it regularly rotates between "on the bus" and "under the bus" depending on whether a given column or blog post focuses on an administration plan or action, or if it focuses on Republican (**cough**) policy shortcomings. Spandan inhabits a world where one cannot do both and be reasonable.
Paul Krugman is a Political Rookie. Or How Barack Obama Left John Boehner Holding the Teabag, Again.http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/08/paul-krugman-is-political-rookie-or-how.html
Monday, August 01, 2011
Paul Krugman is a political rookie. At least he is when compared to President Obama. That's why he unleashed a screed as soon as word came about the debt ceiling compromise between President Obama and Congressional leaders - to, you know, avert an economic 9/11. Joining the ideologue spheres' pure, fanatic, indomitable hysteria, Krugman declares the deal a disaster - both political and economic - of course providing no evidence for the latter, which I find curious for this Nobel winning economist. He rides the coattails of the simplistic argument that spending cuts - any spending cuts - are bad for a fragile economy, ignoring wholeheartedly his own previous cheerleading for cutting, say, defense spending. But that was back in the day - all the way back in April of this year.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Not sure if he's allowed them back on the bus.
JHB
(37,163 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And it's good for the uninitiated to know.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Say what you mean, name names, or STFU.
Passive aggressive nonsense. Or in other words....Friday.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Try again.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Carry on with the backbiting blowout, this is beyond asinine.
Seriously.
NealK
(1,885 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)It's almost a mirror image of my ignore list.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)marble falls
(57,338 posts)We need to talk about these things and take a look at ourselves and each other, too.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)I doubt self proclaimed "Liberal" can agree on a definition of Liberalism , not to mention come up with a standard of who is not a Liberal.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)It really is a shame that more have not studied Liberalism.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Or a combination of carefully crafted PR moves to camouflage the complete absence of one.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)-p
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)After all, unless Liberals suddenly developed a hive mind then there is quite a few differing views on exactly what makes one a Liberal(And that would be the easy aspect, if we go into the conscience area of being one then it gets about 200 times more complicated).
I have some extremely large doubts that anybody here on DU could properly define the "Conscience" of a Liberal and have his or her fellow Liberals agree that 'yes, that is exactly what it is'.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Putin, Greenwald, Snowden, Rand Paul - pretty much anyone who has something nasty to say about Obama - all have a dedicated DU fan club.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)No one here supports Rand Paul. I don't know where this whacked out fantasy lie comes from, but it's about as dumb a thing to claim as you could possibly come up with.
Oh wait, I was forgetting for a second there who I was replying to.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)are supporting him.
That's a direct quote of a prolific poster here.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Thus, you only make yourself look bad.
Please stop.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)to watch the amen corner go nuts and do back-flips and see whether some balanced, courageous soul had the guts to face down your attack on anyone that doesn't measure up to your ideological purity standards.
Why do you think the far Left has more conscience that liberals or moderates? I purposely used far Left because liberals would have nothing to do with some of the far out shit that is thrown around by some and in fact would be embarrassed to even be alleged to be one of that lost gang.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Nobody has been advocating the nationalization of industry, revolution or confiscation of wealth. I've seen no Trotskyists or hardcore Anarchists taking anyone to task. You are railing against posters who cling to traditional Democratic Party values which you have abandoned.
"Far Left" is just an attempt by you to smear critics of this Democratic Administration.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #105)
grahamhgreen This message was self-deleted by its author.
There is no far left in the U.S.
2. Because those on what passes for the left in the U.S. are actually about issues first. Parties and personalities are secondary, as they should be. Since you asked.
I find it hysterically funny that those who won't take a stand on issues, but are willing to constantly shift in their efforts to support party, party leaders, and specifically the POTUS no matter what he does or doesn't do would characterize themselves as "balanced," or "courageous."
Agony
(2,605 posts)aka snake-in-the-grass-liberals
Cheers,
Agony
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Damn right, Willy.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)The one you are referring to, is the stupidest of them all.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)niyad
(113,599 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)applegrove
(118,832 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 14, 2013, 08:45 PM - Edit history (2)
the personal narrative of someone you are opposed to and erase their humanity to their peeps.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)great white snark
(2,646 posts)Be a Dem and you can define yourself.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)I don't know how you got away with a whole thread written to bash one DUer (predictably morphing into a bash many DUers thread) or who made you the arbiter of who gets to call themself a liberal,but you got away with it and you and the Heathers make DU suck.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Fucking alert on it then.
See what happens.
"Heathers" my ass.
YOU make DU and the Democratic Party suck.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Frankly a lot of you are mirror images of the extreme right who complain about "rinos" and think they are the only true arbiters of what conservative means,they've managed to whittle their party down to old white guys with guns.I imagine if everyone you didn't consider sufficiently liberal enough to be in the democratic party was booted out ,we would have the size and political power of the green party. The democratic party is a big tent party and attempts to shrink the tent would be as destructive as they've been for the GOP.
Response to sufrommich (Reply #139)
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Rex
(65,616 posts)And from the same people.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)The same people.
Perfect analogy, nothing strange about it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)But you already knew that.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Apparently not so obvious to those engaging in the behavior.
This thread is nothing but a collective ass-showing exhibit.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)What does that even mean?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3663517
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Don't worry nobody can stop you and your friends from calling yourselves "liberal"
Just maybe you all should try and wait a 30 second count before using it as a sneering insult.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)it does not claim to be the author, so the person being called out in this OP is not 'one DUer' but is in fact some blogger who does not post here unless he does so under another name. The person who posted that blog link is not the author of the blog. This OP is criticizing the author of the blog. The posting DU does not accept authorship, in fact denies it.
So you are upset at criticism of words by some blogger and call that 'bashing one DUer'. Big leap to the right required in that logic. Like doing the Time Warp with Karl Rove.