We have people dying...

[Lancero]

For lack of healthcare, we have people starving for lack of food, we have people living on the streets for lack of a house...

Yet we are preparing to spend billions on attacking Syria for humanitarian reasons?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. I hear you. I think our priorities are WAY messed up.

Why are we not taking care of our own people?

It's nuts.

[Cryptoad]

17. ask the GOP

they keep obstructing everything!

[Rockyj]

44. Have you noticed...

a lot more homeless people lately? I live in a small city and have noticed a surge in homeless people there! Especially over labor day weekend!

[NightWatcher]

2. But the kids....

We want to bomb Syria because they killed children, but here we won't even keep WIC's budget in tact to give food assistance to women, infants, and children.

Don't fall for the "it's for the kids" bullshit rhetoric. It's only being used to pull otherwise sensible people into endorsing another war where more kids will die.

[Lancero]

4. Whenever someone tries that one on me...

I always show them some pictures of the Iraqi children that were killed in the US bombing campaign against Iraq.

[MNBrewer]

9. yeah, emotional bs hook to get us into a war.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

3. We have kids being shot in school.

But yet we wont do anything about guns.



I can't explain this countries priorities.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

6. I don't think of it as "This countries priorities" but the Military Industrial Complex and 1%

priorities...

(But confess I know a few who believe what they hear on Faux news.)

[me b zola]

35. I believe that I can explain this country's priorities:

GREED with a good helping of GLUTTONY.

[GeorgeGist]

5. We have we war criminals living the good life ...

At taxpayer expense.

[MNBrewer]

10. Recently granted immunity courtesy of PBO!

[SidDithers]

48. Obama granted immunity from prosecution for War Crimes?...

Really? You wouldn't be making shit up, would you?

Sid

[City Lights]

7. Sick, isn't it?

We are so fucked up.

[libdem4life]

8. It's never about the children. They are trotted out smiling or lined up dead, as needed.

It's about Empire. One of the primary reasons for the Fall of the Roman Empire was this situation. Power and control (money, gold, oil, drugs, pipelines, continents...whatever), like a food or an alcoholic or drug addict...without a changing of courses ... consumes itself ultimately.

[Autumn]

11. We are not thinking of doing this for humanitarian reasons

If we were, we would be looking at other avenues.

[Raine]

12. It's absolutely bat shit crazy! nt

[Initech]

14. There's not enough bat shit in the world to describe how crazy this is.

[LongTomH]

13. Can we put 'humanitarian' in quotes?

It would be a little more honest!

[Ash_F]

15. We are already spending billions just preparing

Those battlefleets in the Mediterranean aren't free.

[Cryptoad]

16. You really think

that the GOP is going to pass legislation to solve the problems of poverty if we don't punish Assad for committing crimes against humanity?

[Autumn]

28. Do you really think they will pass any legislation to

solve the problems of poverty if we do punish Assad? They pass legislation to punish poor people and to humiliate them. What legislation has the GOP passed to solve any problems? None.

[Cryptoad]

59. agreed nt

[HangOnKids]

61. She wasn't agreeing with you she was busting up your premise

[Autumn]

65. That's pretty strange. We have to punish Assad so the GOP will help poor people

Someone points out that the GOP never helps the poor and they agree with it. Talk about CYA

Cryptoad (599 posts)
16. You really think

that the GOP is going to pass legislation to solve the problems of poverty if we don't punish Assad for committing crimes against humanity?

[Cryptoad]

67. I never said that

[Autumn]

68. You did say that. In post 16

[Cryptoad]

69. No I didnt make that statement

I asked a question. a quite satiric question, i must say

[Cryptoad]

66. I was agreeing with her/his post

[HangOnKids]

54. That is just BIAZRRE

The GOP isn't going to SHIT no matter what happens to Assad, but your premise is if we punish Assad the GOP will pass legislation on poverty? You think the GOP cares about humanity? ANY HUMANITY? That is fucking ridiculous.

[Cryptoad]

60. No ,

my premise is the GOP is going to do nothing for the poor as they have been doing no matter what happens in Syria

[HangOnKids]

63. Your writing lacks clarity.

[Cryptoad]

64. Sorry if It wasnt clear......nt

[Dawgs]

57. You're right. Let's go to war.

[Cryptoad]

62. You must have posted to the wrong thread

I never said anything about wanting to go to war.

[another_liberal]

18. Tens of billions more likely.

If they don't shoot back, that is. If they do, and other nations are drawn in, who knows how many hundreds of billions we could end up wasting.

[grahamhgreen]

71. Could be trillions, again. Remember Iraq started as 80b and now estimates are up to 6t

[brooklynite]

19. So, you think our foreign aid program should be eliminated as well?

If it's all about the money, and solving America's problems first, why waste a penny?

[another_liberal]

22. Intelligently applied foreign aid is money well spent.

Money spent on a new war of choice, one of exceptionally dubious nature, is money we might as well have used to light a barbecue grill.

[brooklynite]

23. But "We Have People Dying"...

...per the OP

[another_liberal]

24. We need to slash the DoD budget by at least fifty percent.

Not only will we have money for a host of greater needs, we will also be far less likely to engage in military adventures abroad.

[NaturalHigh]

31. Humanitarian foreign aid is a lot different...

from humanitarian bombing.

[brooklynite]

32. Perhaps so, but irrelevant....

...if we're following the principle espoused by the OP.

[Lancero]

33. Some of them, yes.

Aid to countries that have recently experience natural disasters I can support.

It will vary from case to case, but overall this would be one of the few kinds that I'd support.

Right off though, all money that goes to support or improve other nations military's should be cut.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. we're going to use our Humane Bombs to bring "peace"

Like we did Iraq and Afghanistan.

[DeSwiss]

25. K&R

[toby jo]

46. +1 Spot on.

[Doctor_J]

49. Who's the babe with the humor and attitude?

[uponit7771]

51. +1

[avebury]

26. Totally agree!

The fact of the matter is that feeding and housing the poor and providing health care for those in need does not fill the coffers of the MIC. That is the heart of the problem and will not change any time soon. Apparently being a "Christian Nation" does not mean following in the footsteps of Jesus.

[cantbeserious]

27. The Duplicity Is Abysmal

eom

[gateley]

29. It's always been like that. Even if we DIDN'T spend that money in/on Syria, it would never find

its way to the programs and areas to help our citizens.

It's so sad, and so wrong.

[NaturalHigh]

30. I read where someone said that...

bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.

Just how humane can a bombing be, anyway?

[Lancero]

34. Pretty sure...

That George Carlin said that. Or something similar anyway.

I can't remember what show it's from although I think it's the same one where he says that the only thing the US is still good at is bombing other countries.

[raging moderate]

36. Why can't the weapons makers retool their factories?

And manufacture machines that attack the real problems facing us?

[durablend]

37. Profit margins too low n/t

[magical thyme]

38. it has nothing to do with humanitarian reasons.

You do not bomb people for humanitarian reasons.

It is about oil. It is always about oil. Always has been. Always will be.

[NorthCarolina]

40. You mean like this?

Quel Surprise!! Israel Grants Oil Rights in Syria to Murdoch and Rothschild

http://www.oneworldchronicle.com/?p=16659

[forestpath]

39. K&R

[KansDem]

41. "American Irony"

A fairly new national identity. It started with Reaganomics...

[Enthusiast]

83. And Idiocracy.

Don't forget Idiocracy.

[gtar100]

42. This is what makes their cry for war so hollow.

After all the failures of the US Military, it's all too obvious to everyone that they are the solution to nothing.

[CanonRay]

43. Exactly

Let's take care of our own, for a change.

[iamthebandfanman]

45. yeah because

its not like you can do both at once..


you guys have really bought into the 'were broke!' crap from the right :p

[HangOnKids]

55. Roads shit. Schools shit. Healthcare shit. Jobs shit. Retirement shit. Housing shit.

But we are not broke? I hope you are not a salesman, because you are not very good.

[FiveGoodMen]

78. We're NOT broke. Not even close.

The 1% are hoarding the money.

And we're wasting tons on the wars.

If our policies were sensible, we'd have all we need.

[HangOnKids]

79. If the $$$ isn't trickling down to the 99% WE are broke

The 1% is doing 5 million times better than anytime since the gilded age. The rest of us are broke. Our policies are not sensible and that is not about to change, you might want to take a closer look at that "if."

[FiveGoodMen]

80. If you define 'WE' as those who don't have the money, then 'WE' are always broke

by definition.

That's not saying much.

WE need to do something about the 1%.

Then WE will not be broke.

If WE decided to worship and grovel before the 1% INSTEAD of taking our country back, then WE are worse than broke. Then WE are worthless.

[HangOnKids]

81. I get what your saying and I fully agree

"If WE decided to worship and grovel before the 1% INSTEAD of taking our country back, then WE are worse than broke. Then WE are worthless."

We are at that stage currently, I hope the enthrallment ends soon.

[caseymoz]

47. You want us to bomb our poor?

That's what's being referred to as "humanitarian relief" here.

[JRLeft]

50. The Death budget, cough, cough. I mean defense budget must

always ensure a profit for defense contractors.

[kenny blankenship]

52. Yeah, it doesn't quite ring true does it?

So we will punish Assad. And who will punish Obama for his drone attacks against non-hostile countries, his assassination programs?

If it wasn't for hypocrisy, I don't think this party could even be said to have a platform.

[blkmusclmachine]

53. The Empire Must Be Satiated, Frequently.

No War For Profit.

[polichick]

56. Yeah, but ya can't make money off our dying people.

[Rain Mcloud]

58. These people are in the death business

When you are over a barrel then you will pay anything for another chance for a shoddy 1000% profit procedure.
When the Xs finally appear over the eyes,its off to the mortuary in a $15,000 dollar coffin which is sold to the next victim after the corpse is dumped into a common anonymous grave in a wooded area.

These are not nice people.
[link:http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=1292|

[grahamhgreen]

70. Yes, sad joke. Disgusting concept from corrupted minds.

[onenote]

72. We've had people dying for lack of healthcare, starving for lack of food, living on the streets

throughout our history. Do you think that the only times we've acted militarily or spent billions on humanitarian aid were times when no one in the US lacked healthcare, shelter or food? Dream on.

Based on your premise, the US shoudn't send aid to countries devastated by natural disasters until such time as we have complete healthcare, no one starving, and no one homeless. Dream on again.

[MissDeeds]

73. Yep

Tells us a lot about the values of our elected officials. We're contemplating a bombing campaign on the basis of humanitarian concerns.

Uh...right.

[woo me with science]

74. K&R

[Swede Atlanta]

75. Yep.....

and the conservatives see nothing wrong with this.

I actually think that conservatives hate their fellow Americans if they aren't in the same elite class as themselves. But they believe fervently in American exceptionalism Unfortunately I think the only thing exceptional about America is we are stupid. God did not choose us just as God did not choose Israel. We are not special and our empire will die as the 21st century plays out. Chine and India will replace us just as we replaced France and Britain.

[tofuandbeer]

76. Great quote. Thanks!

[marble falls]

77. Like they never heard THAT before! If they only got a tax break every time they did! Ohhhh wait....

they did and do!

[Enthusiast]

82. It doesn't pass the smell test. Sorry, Mr. President............nt

[Little Star]

84. USA,USA,USA. Ain't we great!!!!!!!!!! Ugh!