Kerry is on

[nadinbrzezinski]

To prepare us for war I s'pose

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. They released the intel????

Where

[polichick]

2. They have to keep things secret again - big surprise...

And we're supposed to trust Congress, "our representatives."

Problem is, they really represent corporations and the mic.

[ballardgirl]

28. I heard the question on CNBC this morning

How would US air strikes affect the market?

Clearly, that is the most important thing.

[Deny and Shred]

3. 1000s of sources publicly available?

The Intelligence community has "high confidence." That is not the same as fact. Its more like 'slam dunk.'

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Well it's more than usual

I want to get my paws on it

[morningfog]

4. For those of us who can't watch, is he more like

Colin Powell or Condeleeza?

[SaltyBro]

5. A more animated Colin Powell

[polichick]

6. Powell, because he's male?

[onehandle]

8. More like FDR. Powell and Kindasleazy were transmitting Cheney fairy tales. nt

[morningfog]

18. Oh, FDR! Lol.

[onehandle]

7. He's confirming it was a WMD attack by Assad that killed 1,429 Syrians.

This ain't Powell. This ain't Bush. This ain't Iraq.

I trust SoS Kerry.

[Just Saying]

9. +1

I like and trust John Kerry and even worked to get him elected President and I think he would have been a very good one. He is nothing like Bush/Powell/Condi.

[pscot]

11. He is pretty convincing

[polichick]

12. Why does it always have to be our job? Probably because the mic needs to make money...

Why not let Israel or the Saudis deal with it. When it happens in Canada we could deal with it.

It's always about the mic needing to be fed.

[Drunken Irishman]

20. Because we're the most powerful nation in the world.

It's always been our job and it always will. Don't like it? Blame Wilson, FDR, Truman and Kennedy - presidents who advanced the idea of using America's forces in this way.

[polichick]

23. It's all about the mic robbing the American people - it's bullshit.

[Drunken Irishman]

30. What's bullshit is how so many on the left can say they're compassionate about the plight of others

...and don't seem to give a rat's ass about what is happening in Syria. They talk about all the lives lost by drones in Pakistan and what war did in Iraq ... but you'll close your eyes to the awfulness of those being murdered in Syria. I'm guessing most on the left, especially the DU left, really don't give two shits about the lives lost in Iraq or Afghanistan (American or not) and just feigned grief to make their own anti-war point stick.

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

[polichick]

33. We're not the only country that can do this - how about letting the Saudis or Israel...

take this one on? Don't fool yourself - we do it because corporations make a ton of money doing it.

[Drunken Irishman]

36. They'll probably help I'm sure.

But like I said, it's clear most DUers don't give two fucks what happens to Syrians. The anti-war crowd is less about compassion and saving lives than just about not giving two fucks what happens to an entire country.

Good thing we didn't just let the English handle Hitler, though, eh?

[polichick]

38. You've got it completely wrong - we'd like our own hurting people to be helped...

once in a while instead of using so much of our money feeding the mic. Our country is going to shit because the assholes in DC refuse to help poor and sick Americans or invest in future generations.

Also, more killing is not the answer to killing.

[Drunken Irishman]

44. I don't have it completely wrong...

I think it's pretty clear. More killing is going to happen regardless of what the U.S. does. Just sitting this one out isn't going to stop the killing and you know that. Just admit it - you don't give two shits about Syrians dying. It's not your problem.

I'll give conservatives credit, at least they don't lie about it. They just say it's not their problem and move on - some liberals like to pretend they care ... when they really don't. At the end of the day, liberals and conservatives are just the same - the only difference is that liberals will talk about peace and not killing and caring about the world ... but at the end of the day, it's all a lie.

[polichick]

45. Fuck off.

[Drunken Irishman]

48. Is what you're saying to the children dying in Syria.

Don't play the outrage card anymore over the loss of human life because it's clear it doesn't really bother you unless it's making a political point.

How callous. I've learned a lot about the left these past few days. When they say they care ... it's only about the political point.

[polichick]

49. That's what I'm saying to you, an insulting fool on a message board.

[Drunken Irishman]

56. Well of course...

You can't say that to the Syrian kids. They're being murdered. And you'll happily sit back and let it happen.

[HangOnKids]

70. Did she say she wanted Syrian kids to die?

Did she? And that she is happily sitting back watching it happen? I must have missed that post.

[Drunken Irishman]

71. Pretty much.

She doesn't want to do anything about it. It's no sweat off her back if they're murdered.

[HangOnKids]

73. Pretty much is weak sauce

She never said it. Whatever you are inferring from her posts is your prerogative, but it is NOT what she said.

[Drunken Irishman]

75. Yeah it is...

If someone gave a shit what was happening in Syria, they'd be open to the idea of some type of response. It's clear she doesn't want to do that. She doesn't care they're dying. It's not our problem. She basically said that. It'd be like walking down the street, seeing a kid being brutally beaten, and not doing a damn thing to help. If you're not helping, you're passively condoning it.

[HangOnKids]

79. Speculation on your part

Please do not posit ideas and thoughts on another. Your interpretation is yours.

[Drunken Irishman]

81. Not at all...

It's not speculation when they're actively fighting doing anything. If they cared about the lives being lost in Syria, they wouldn't be flapping about how it's not our problem or isn't a big deal. Face it, she doesn't give two shits about the lives lost there. It's nothing to her because it's a world away.

[HangOnKids]

83. I have faced it and Nadin does care about lives being lost

Your screeds are without merit here.

[Drunken Irishman]

86. Cares enough to dismiss any action.

If that's caring, I'd hate to have Nadin in my corner.

[HangOnKids]

89. That is your opinion

I'd take her in a fight in a heart beat.

[Drunken Irishman]

91. Good for you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Again, not historically accurate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023540472

I hate myths

[Drunken Irishman]

54. It is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. A full myth I agree

Please proceed with myth making

[Drunken Irishman]

59. What myth making?

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. That the US was all for preventing the Holocaust

Historians have not found such evidence. If anything what it supports is the accidental just war. The actions of the US before the war, the most obvious the turning back of the SS San Louis, is the most glaring example.

The we saved the Jews is a post war myth, and myths are hard to destroy

It's not unlike the I can't tell a lie Washington, but proceed on the myth making. I gave you links to actual mainstream publications. The debate on how accidental or when policy changed, I would say 1944, has been raging since 1945.

[Drunken Irishman]

64. I never said they did.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Here

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

You pushed a false myth to push for military action in Syria, a false narrative that is in accurate, and as a daughter of an actual holocaust survivor, I find this use of their deaths disgusting.

Now tell me again you did not

[Drunken Irishman]

67. You're confused.

I never said anything about the United States entering the war to prevent the holocaust.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. No I am not confused

Your words again sir

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

They speak volumes.

Have a good day.

[Drunken Irishman]

69. You can't read then...

Please point to the part where I said the U.S. went in to stop the holocaust. That's what you said I said. I didn't. You're either confused or outright lying about what I said.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. And you can't own your own words.

I am sorry you can't. And I can read. The intent is clear.

FYI, isolationism was strong among chiefly Republicans in the 1930s. Just putting a little more context

That said support for going to war was very low until December 7, 1941 nationwide.

I have no idea what happened that morning in Hawaii.

[Drunken Irishman]

74. So now you're parsing the intent...

You can't back up your claim. Hilarious. You made the claim, bud. Point to where I said it. You can't. Because I didn't. Go back to your hole.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. I am telling you what you posted, again

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

Which is historically part of a wider myth, far from reality.

I will keep throwing your words back at you.

You wrote them

[Drunken Irishman]

77. You're lying.

You said that I said, and I quote:

That the US was all for preventing the Holocaust

I never said that. Ever. You can't post one goddamn shred of evidence I did. Stop fucking lying and own up to the fact you either can't read or are purposely dishonest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. Again

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

[Drunken Irishman]

80. Uh...and where in that did I say the U.S. got into WWII to stop the holocaust?

Stop lying. You lost. Move on and shut the fuck up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. Again

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

You lay the charge that people would be fine with it. It's part of the myth, you will get them thrown at you back.

[Drunken Irishman]

84. Yawn...

Still waiting for you to show me where I said the U.S. went to war to stop the holocaust. You said I did. I didn't. You've backtracked to this inane cycle of posting a quote that proves I'm right. So, I can only assume you've suffered some sort of brain trauma that doesn't allow you to comprehend basic words.

Get well soon!

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. The implication in *your words* is clear

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

[Drunken Irishman]

87. Yes...it is.

And your implications of what I said is an absolute lie. You're a liar.

Get help.

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. You are sir

Now the full post

Drunken Irishman (24,978 posts)
30. What's bullshit is how so many on the left can say they're compassionate about the plight of others

...and don't seem to give a rat's ass about what is happening in Syria. They talk about all the lives lost by drones in Pakistan and what war did in Iraq ... but you'll close your eyes to the awfulness of those being murdered in Syria. I'm guessing most on the left, especially the DU left, really don't give two shits about the lives lost in Iraq or Afghanistan (American or not) and just feigned grief to make their own anti-war point stick.

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

Own it or not I don't give a shit, but this is what you meant, and can't own to them.

I can keep this game all day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. I am confident you can keep denying all day

When called to task

I am proof positive of that, a well honed skill you got going there.

Drunken Irishman (24,978 posts)
30. What's bullshit is how so many on the left can say they're compassionate about the plight of others

...and don't seem to give a rat's ass about what is happening in Syria. They talk about all the lives lost by drones in Pakistan and what war did in Iraq ... but you'll close your eyes to the awfulness of those being murdered in Syria. I'm guessing most on the left, especially the DU left, really don't give two shits about the lives lost in Iraq or Afghanistan (American or not) and just feigned grief to make their own anti-war point stick.

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

[Drunken Irishman]

93. Just post the part where I said the U.S. government went to war to stop the holocaust...

Just do it or shut the fuck up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. You implied it buddy clearly

While hippie punching.

I don't expect you to own your words. I am just calling you on them, because they are historically inaccurate, myth making, and hippie punching all in one post.

You did not mean it, I don't buy that for a second. Why? Read your post carefully.

Drunken Irishman (24,978 posts)
30. What's bullshit is how so many on the left can say they're compassionate about the plight of others

...and don't seem to give a rat's ass about what is happening in Syria. They talk about all the lives lost by drones in Pakistan and what war did in Iraq ... but you'll close your eyes to the awfulness of those being murdered in Syria. I'm guessing most on the left, especially the DU left, really don't give two shits about the lives lost in Iraq or Afghanistan (American or not) and just feigned grief to make their own anti-war point stick.

I really believe, had DU been around in the 1930s, most of you would've been just fine with Hitler gassing the Jews because, gosh, it doesn't have any impact on us here in the good ol' USA.

[Drunken Irishman]

95. So you can't. Got it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. So you can't own it, got it

[Drunken Irishman]

97. Yup. I'm not going to own your lie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. You mean you are not going to own your own words?

Got it, expected it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Historically in accurate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023540472

[cali]

51. if you actually gave a rat's ass, you'd be advocating for the U.S. to

to mount a massive relief effort for the 1.5 million syrian refugees. A military strike will do nothing to help the civilians in Syria and could make things worse for a fuck of a lot of people both in syria and the wider rgion.

And the U.S. didn't give a fuck about the Jews. Hell, they wouldn't even let Jewish refugees in.

[Drunken Irishman]

53. Right. A relief effort. Just give 'em bottles of water. That'll help!

[cali]

61. how clueless. Do you not grasp the desperate plight of the refugees?

No, not just bottles of water.

[Drunken Irishman]

62. Of course I do...

But a relief effort while the Assad regime is allowed to continue his slaughter ain't going to amount to anything.

[dipsydoodle]

10. He's yet to mention Fallujah

.

[Catherina]

16. Yeah but he just mentioned WMDs!

Disgusting performance about "our role in the world and our interests in the world" followed by stunning hypocrisy.

Total bullshit.

[snappyturtle]

35. Yep and MSNBC is doing its best to fan going to war.

Disgusting propaganda to me. Funny how the number of
dead has grown contrary to Doctors without borders et. al.
who are on the ground.

[KoKo]

43. I had trouble watching...kept thinking of Nagasaki, Agent Orange, Falujah

White Phosphorus, Depleted Uranium.

What a hypocrit...is all I could think. And..."We Know!..."We Know"...."We Know."
He must have said that 20 times... He finished it off by saying "This is not Iraq."

I don't know what he knows and we won't know what he knows and whether what he knows is the truth or not. But, it was so much like his other speech this week that it seems more than he's just trying to get the Poll Numbers up for the attack.

Andrea Mitchell seemed to think that the object is to get Assad and not just "limited strikes" and I assume she's hearing it from her sources.

[malaise]

24. or Vietnam

[TheProgressive]

13. Another 'selling of a war'...

Just like the Bush wars...

This is total bullshit.

It is up to the UN to do something - not us.

[KoKo]

15. He just called Assad "A Thug and a Murderer" Says Iran could get the

chemical weapons and so we must do something....

[ballardgirl]

17. As he gets all speechy on us

why not be honest and say it's about the oil? How does what is going on in Syria affect our national security?

[snappyturtle]

37. I find it interesting that the context and the speech itself

wasn't delivered by the President.

[Cleita]

19. Just get to the point John.

Stop using the usual drumbeats to tell us we are going to bomb Syria.

[Catherina]

21. OMG. Now "we believe in the United Nations".... "BUT" n/t

[truebrit71]

22. I can't believe the words I'm hearing coming out of his mouth...

..it's like Powell/Condi Part II....

[JohnnyLib2]

25. He's putting some pressure on England, among other things.

It seems like a stunning moment in his long career. "History will judge us all......"

[Catherina]

26. This is one delusional pep talk from Kerry, rife with denial and built on mythology of US empire

Left on Main St. ?@LeftonMain 1m

RT @kgosztola: This is one delusional pep talk from Kerry, rife with denial and built on mythology of American empire.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Any bets when the rockets will fly?

[dipsydoodle]

29. Situation now toned down to

the President "might" decide to act.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. I read this as we will act.

But I will give them the benefit. Will read the un classed intel. That is new

Tells me they are unable to make a good case

[tridim]

34. Put the fire out, it's buring your hair.

Obviously you are going to take the anti-Admin view. I'm not surprised at all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. What anti admin view

Mitchell called this a case for war as well as others on the tv machine right now. Sorry, this is a call to act. Turn on msnbc right now

So is Steve Clemons, right now

I guess you have reading comp issues, serious

[tridim]

40. You're ignoring what they just said.

5 minutes after they said it.

Making a case for war, and war are two different things if you're not BushCo.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. So are Mitchell, Clemons and the rest I s'pose

Who heard a clarion call to justify military action.

I am mentioning them, since it appears we all, except you apparently, have hearing issues

[snappyturtle]

42. MSNBC just reported attorneys are looking into how a

U.S. action can be carried out legally. I don't think they have
much to stand on.....but I would be we're on a roll to war.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. We are

[Catherina]

58. These must be Eric Hocler's and Cheney's attorneys.

All that expertise in constitutional and international law being used to see how best to subvert it.

[tridim]

31. Sure, I'll take never.

Kerry just said he (and Obama) prefer diplomacy instead of rockets.

[cali]

52. Sometime between tomorrow and Monday.

[Catherina]

55. What Cali said "Sometime between tomorrow and Monday" unless

some miracle knocks a lick of sense into them between now and then. How long does a war hard-on last?

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. It's gotta be before the G20

[cali]

65. consult a physician if it lasts longer than a hundred years.