The Plot Thickens on Edward Snowden's Sino-Russian Love Affair

[michigandem58]

You know how Edward Snowden - the hero of the anti-security libertarians - suddenly showed up in Hong Kong and then in Russia, and how the Russian government claimed that they had no idea he would show up at Moscow before eventually granting him asylum? Well, the plot just thickened a little. It turns out - and I am sure this will completely surprise every Snowden-Greenwald worshiper - that Snowden was in contact with the Russians well in advance of his not-so-surprising arrival in Moscow.

He lived in the Russian consulaate while in Hong Kong, and depending on who you believe, he either showed up on his own or was invited by the Russians, reports the Washington Post, quoting a Russian news source:

Before American fugitive Edward Snowden arrived in Moscow in June — an arrival that Russian officials have said caught them by surprise — he spent several days living at the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong, a Moscow newspaper reported Monday...

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/08/the-plot-thickens-on-edward-snowdens.html

[mike_c]

1. "anti-security libertarians?"

So much of the progressive left wing of American politics, including progressive democrats, are "anti-security libertarians" now? Piss off. Welcome to ignore.

[99th_Monkey]

22. And "Snowden-worshippers" too. Who knew?

[Mojorabbit]

35. I know right! I read these posts for entertainment these days.

i gave up on frustration and anger that people would actually post stuff like this on a Democratic board. Now it cracks me up.

[Whisp]

37. awww, you don't like being called a worshipper?

You get used to it, but it takes time. Like Obama supporters who are called named like that, it took a while to get over it.

You won't have years to acclimatize yourself tho because Snowden and his sorry, thieving slack ass won't be in the news very long once this is all revealed to be the scam it is.

[awoke_in_2003]

54. And don't forget "peace purists"...

you know, for those of us too stupid not to cheer jumping into the Syria crap.

[99th_Monkey]

68. No doubt these terms will soon find their way into the DSM

as "mental disorders".

[AverageMe]

23. I don't care about the Messenger, I care about the Message

It seems that most of the things he has revealed have proven to be true. The greatest threat to our freedom and liberty is not external, it is internal.

[riverbendviewgal]

27. yep

that is the way to proceed

[jberryhill]

80. I guess there's never a shortage of threats to fear

Or people to structure their politics around fear of one thing or another.

[MADem]

2. So, was that "romantic getaway" he took his girlfriend on to Hong Kong a "dry run," I wonder?

Or an initial "meet" with the Russians???

Inquiring minds want to know!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

3. Miley twirgled right on stage. Or something.

[MADem]

26. Yeah, because Snowden didn't go to Hong Kong.....TWICE.

Nice attempt at distraction, no sale, though.

It's just a theory. If there's nothing to be afraid of, why are you acting so fearful?

[Whisp]

84. I wonder if she's with Snowjob right now, slugging back wodkas. n/t

[MADem]

87. His father was supposed to go for a 'wisit!'

Dunno about the GF...

I remember "the lawyer" (Pootie's former KGB partner in crime) said something about a bunch of his "friends" being invited to come visit him.

[mick063]

4. Oh the suspense is killing me.

Tell me more. I must know more.

About the NSA, not Snowden.

[nilram]

33. pfft, NSA, who cares?

That Snowden, he's really a traitor now, isn't he, working with the ROOSKIES!

[HangOnKids]

5. What if the person you helped with a prescription cost the other day loved Eddie?

Hmm?

[tridim]

8. Why would ANYONE love Eddie?

Or love anybody else they don't know? That is insane.

Are you in love with Snowden? Is that what is driving Neo-DU mad?

[OnyxCollie]

31. Why does the BOG love the President?

Are they insane?

[treestar]

69. The President was at least elected

And not just by the BOG.

Eddie, however, is a leaker of the US's classified information.

[HangOnKids]

38. No, but I've heard the claim made about other DUers

I was just asking a question. Oh look down thread someone is asking about people writing love letters to Snowden.

[Union Scribe]

58. I bought the "peoplesview" blogger a prescription

of a new drug called Wakethefuckup but apparently they aren't taking it.

[HangOnKids]

60. That Is Too Sad

But the post about buying the prescription was so genuine.

[Cha]

6. It is rather curious,

don't you think? "Snowden stayed at the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong"? And, then he supposedly surprised Russia when he showed up there? Russia and snowden in collusion? Hmmm.

Makes me wonder with all the other bullshit going on.. starting with Snowden's statement:

"These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations."

http://wikileaks.org/Statement-by-Edward-Snowden-to.html

[arely staircase]

9. We are going to find out this dude was a Russian agent before we ever heard his name.

FWIW - I oppose the phone data collection and think we need to review/repeal/replace the PATRIOT ACT (always have) but the Snowden fanboys/girls are going to end up looking like fools before this is over. they will never admit it.

[JustAnotherGen]

11. +1

[MADem]

29. And he took his girfriend on holiday there, when he worked in Japan.

So that makes you wonder if he'd visited the Russian consulate before his latest trip...you know, to get a list of stuff to steal or something....?

It's a fair supposition, given that he never admitted doing "business" with the Russians in Hong Kong at all. He acted like it was a big surprise that he was "stuck in the airport" yet no one ever saw him there.


Frankly, it looks SUSPICIOUS, like it, or not. It also makes me wonder if a lot of these "little guy" countries "stepped up," knowing that they'd never have to make good on their offer, because Cuba had no intention of playing ball. Cuba clearly clued in their gas station, Venezuela, because they shut up about that offer pretty quick.

And Ecuador....? Gotta wonder if they played both ends against the middle!

[uponit7771]

62. +1

[Whisp]

86. I'm wonder if GG knew that Snowden was not in the Transit zone

for a large part of the time he thought he was.

Was GG lying to us (good chance!) or was Snowy lying to GG. But, the wikileaks lawyers was supposedly with Snowden at all times. So was Assange lying to everybody?

hmmm.

[Cha]

88. I've read greenwald

said.. It's all a big lie. IOW.. according to greenwald snowden didn't stay in the Russian Consolate. So we know where he stands on the subject. "If I say it didn't happen, it didn't happen. "

[Whisp]

89. and of course, GG being who he is, will have solid proof of what he said...

lol.

Just saying Anything GG.

I bet he's sweating about now. good for him.

[treestar]

97. Julian would never lie, he is all about transparency

[Ikonoklast]

103. You spelled 'ego' wrong.

[railsback]

7. Snowden seems to have been bought and paid for

Steal documents, flee to Hong Kong, and wait for the escort to Russia, where he's granted asylum. Russia then says no more secrets because they don't want the U.S. to know what they got. Seems like a far more plausible scenario than anything Greenwald has 'exposed', who now has nothing left but floor plans to release. Looks like the Russians used Greenwald, an overzealous, overreactive crusader, as a distraction. LoL. It does make a lot of sense now.

[arely staircase]

10. If what I suspect is true, Putin is brilliant

he now has the entire blueprint for the NSA and probably virtually every forward deployed US agent in the field.

[railsback]

12. He IS the master spy

not some civilian shtick voted into office off the streets. He lives and breaths espionage. Not only did he lift NSA secrets right from under our noses, he even got the Left praising the guy who ripped us all off while accusing Obama of being a STASI tyrant. Yes. Brilliant.

[arely staircase]

19. pure genius nt

[MADem]

78. I agree iwith you--he is the best at the game.

And he manages to stay perpetually in charge--when he's not President, he's Prime Minister. He's got his little sock puppet to fill in the slot for him when he's constitutionally constrained, but he never takes his hand off the tiller.

He's an asshole, but you are right--he IS the master spy.

[Mr.Bill]

20. No, I think if he was brilliant,

he would have all that knowledge and we wouldn't be aware of it.

[zeemike]

43. Yep.

there is absolutely no advantage in having information that the whole world has...spys do not reveal the information except to their client.

[Mr.Bill]

45. We can speculate about details we will never know about in our lifetimes,

but this whole thing smells like a plan gone terribly wrong.

[treestar]

72. In this case he is trying to regain relevance

for his country though -- so having it without the world knowing it wouldn't let them know hey, Russia is a player again. A superpower going toe to toe with the US again.

[uponit7771]

63. Not if he wanted to stop some crap from happening. If he wanted to stop some events from

...happening those agents become really good pawns...one by one being disapeared

[stevenleser]

82. No, if this is true, its better than that. He got the information and humiliated the US at the same

time, not just internationally, but created discord inside the US as well.

That's brilliant, again, if this hypothesis is true.

[Adrahil]

83. no, that was part of the point.

The internal strife in the U.S. only helps. Not only does he have all the info he needs on how we conduct elint, but he's sown internal strife in the U.S. too. Double win for him.

[treestar]

70. And it appears the Russians are desperate to regain superpower status

Look at their actions in Syria. Why are they fooling around in other countries again? Trying to bring back their Cold War era powers.

[cascadiance]

16. And Daniel Ellsberg was then bought and paid for by those then problematic newspapers...

Steal documents and then let off the hook! Too bad! If it weren't for that, then we could have had tons more jobs and revenue for our defense industry keeping the Vietnam war going instead of having to stop it prematurely.

[railsback]

25. The horror of thinking of the stark possibility that Snowden twerked you all must suck bad

Explains all the false equivilancies running rampant here

Obama = Bush
Biden = Cheney
Kerry = Rice
Ellsberg = Snowden

Its gotta hurt.

[zeemike]

46. False equivalencies that came from false dichotomy.

That goes like this...If you say something bad about Obama you are saying
Obama = Bush because you are ether with him or against him.
So the false dichotomy creates the false equivalencies.

[MADem]

79. Oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The IMAGE of Snowden engaging in that Miley-like conduct.....

It's horrific....and... hilarious!

[MADem]

77. Daniel Ellsberg didn't run away to "Newspaperlandia."

He stayed and stood and delivered.

[hack89]

108. Ellsberg didn't run. nt

[MADem]

39. I think you've sketched it out succinctly.

I have to wonder if his romantic vacation to Hong Kong--while was still working in Japan--was actually for the purposes of getting a laundry list of stuff that the Russians wanted.

I wonder what the GF had to say to the investigators--were they together the whole time, or did he pawn her off with a "spa day" or something to give himself time to meet with his Russian handler(s)?

[Whisp]

40. well, well. Maybe Snowden snowed GG

after all, and not the other way around like I suspected.

hahaha! Glenn the Stupid. He has the kind of personality that could take this kind of thing hook, line and sinker.


the scammer may have got scammed!

[railsback]

44. Go figure, huh?

But it does make a lot of sense.

[Whisp]

49. oooo, to be a fly on some walls right now!

I haven't read GG's latest 'hawt' news - just something about Floor Plans? lol.

I think he may be quieter than usual for good reason.

[salib]

13. Why are so many here obsessed by this man?

It's like the scandalous lives of the rich and famous, or something. Enough already.

[baldguy]

14. You want to stop his fans ftom posting love letters to him every day?

[treestar]

73. You don't want him talked about?

In case his motives weren't really pure?

[The Straight Story]

102. I dunno, but I find more people defending assad than snowden at times

[leftstreet]

15. 'anti-security libertarians' FAIL

I bet you don't even know what a libertarian is

[AgingAmerican]

17. More from "the peoples view?"

I should have been able to guess that one. These ridiculous articles always seem to emanate from that Alex Jones-like propaganda website.

[leftstreet]

21. It looks like a middle school civics project

embarrassing

[NuclearDem]

18. Ah great! Was wondering when the next update from the people's spew was coming

[Autumn]

28. The peoples spew

That's funny

[treestar]

74. These comments are simply avoiding the issues

[OnyxCollie]

30. Shouldn't you be eavesdropping on people talking with pharmacists and then posting it online,

for the good feeling it gives you?

Maybe you can find another poor person, or if you can't maybe you can find out if they are being treated for an STD. Laffs aplenty.

[Octafish]

32. How's that compare with Bush and Cheney lying America into two illegal, immoral and disastrous wars?

Not that anyone's counting at Just-us.

[pnwmom]

36. Why are YOU making this personal instead of disputing the actual post?

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It doesn't strengthen your position to name call; it just weakens it.

[bowens43]

41. blah blah blah blah blah blah etc.....

[Jakes Progress]

42. Your point being?

Is it that you think Putin organized the whole thing to keep America from becoming totally authoritarian state? Really. You think Putin doesn't like authoritarianism?

Or is it that Snowden should be condemned for talking to commies in red russia? Dude 1956 misses you so much.

Or is it that you don't really have any defense for what the NSA is doing and think it would be helpful to your pathetic world view to avoid discussing the issues and try attacking the man who messed up his whole life to make yours better?

Or are you just absolutely clueless about stuff?

I vote for the last one in any combination with the others.

[Whisp]

50. getting a bit nervous?

I understand. We all do, really.

[Jakes Progress]

56. Getting a bit weird?

I understand. Being really cryptic is the way a person who doesn't know anything, pretends to be so cool and wise.

But we understand. We all do.

You just can't argue the issue so you have to try avoidance. I feel as sorry for you as I do for the dummies who just lost their jobs and had their homes repossessed and then voted republican. Same kind of disconnect.

[HangOnKids]

59. It is a jr high school tactic

I call it the neener neener ploy. All the smart, cool, kids who have REAL shit going on have it figured out by week one. How sad to continue that shit into older age. I will not call it adulthood because some people are just stunted.

[pnwmom]

52. Or Putin organized the whole thing in order to get valuable information from Snowden

and to give the U.S. a black eye in the process.

It's a win-win for Putin. Snowden might be the most valuable defector ever.

Talk about being clueless. . . .

[Jakes Progress]

55. Goody. Let's play '50s.

Bad old commies. Sure putin was behind the whole thing. Yeah. That's a great new meme. It lets you avoid the issues that the whole affair means. You can just ignore America as it drifts off to the corporate lock boxes.

Hand full of straws.

[pnwmom]

57. Snowden decided to take the focus off internal US surveillance by bragging

about having access to names of US assets around the world and by threatening, through Greenwald, to release documents that would be of great harm to the U.S.

I think the subject of internal surveillance should be debated but Snowden crossed the line when he started leaking and threatening to leak about the NSA's foreign spying.

[Jakes Progress]

90. Debated? Just how was that supposed to take place without Snowden?

Your guy was gonna lie about it form now on. Did you think clapper was going to bring it up? Did you think the congress critters that were in on it, were going to give up their special secret spy badges by actually telling people what was happening?

You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. Well. I guess you can actually, as evidenced by your post here. But it isn't intellectually honest and it's not getting by anyone but the defend-at-all-costs gang.

And to address the false head on you post. Snowden did not take the focus off internal US surveillance. He put the focus on it. You and the deniers are trying to take the focus off. I mean look at the OP. Commie skulduggery as an excuse to avoid discussing the what Snowden revealed with his brave sacrifice. He gave up his future so that you might have one. Ingrate.

[pnwmom]

93. You're misunderstanding me. I'm not blaming him for releasing

the the power point presentation and related documents, and triggering the debate about US internal surveillance.

I'm criticizing him for also stealing documents about the NSA spying on foreign countries -- the job they're supposed to be doing -- and sharing some and threatening to release others.

Maybe he's a hero. And maybe he's just another defector to Russia, who brought to them a treasure trove of documents about our spying around the world while everyone was distracted with his claims about US internal surveillance.

And now Russia is claiming to be this big champion of civil liberties, with Snowden publicly thanking them. What a crock.

[Jakes Progress]

94. Stop deluding yourself.

Stop worrying about Russia and whether they think their goofy leader is goofy or not. I know some Russians. They know. But they live in a state like the one this administration is trying turn us into. It's not about Snowden. So don't fall for the red herrings and bullshit distractions that the NSA and government are generating (like the OP). Stop worrying about Russia. Why do you care about that shit?

Don't fall for the us vs. them or who is the better celebrity. It's us vs. us.

[Whisp]

61. yep, preparing for the walkback...

or the cricket song.

it will be soon.

[treestar]

75. You really think Putin isn't crafty?

He's just a defender of - transparency in the United States. Yeah.

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[davidpdx]

81. Yep this is the same Putin that wants to arrest gay people

at the Olympics they are hosting next year. They are still stroking his ego over the Snowden affair.

[Jakes Progress]

91. Wow. How far do you walk a subject trying to kill it?

[davidpdx]

95. I'm just agreeing with the poster above

that Putin is not the god some make him out to be. That had nothing to do with you.

[Jakes Progress]

100. You're just agreeing with what?

The poster that was replying to me. That has something to do with me.

So where did I say that Putin was a god. It seems to me that the ones investing him with god-like powers are those who are pushing the NSA meme that Putin was behind all this all the time. You know. "Don't look at what we're doing to you. Look over there at that other guy. Move along - nothing to do with us."

And boom. The internets is full of gullibles that look where they were pointed.

It's not about Putin. It's not about Snowden. It's about our country being taken from us.

[davidpdx]

104. You believe what you want to

about Putin not being a factor. It is possible to care about what our country is doing to us, while at the same time criticize Putin. Your meme that it is one or the other is false.

[Jakes Progress]

105. Golly. Thank you for allowing me my beliefs.

You are so gracious.

Please look up the word "meme".

You either don't know what it means or you are trying to use it to defect the fact that you are guilty of spreading one the NSA has created.

Your games don't work either. I didn't say that you couldn't be obsessed with a half-naked russian and still care about the destruction of the basis for your country. Go ahead. My problem is that so many - in their blind faith mode - want to equate the two.

[Jakes Progress]

92. For the irony impaired.

Where did you get the idea for your post? Did it have anything to do with mine? Did you read what you wrote first?

Can you get any further from the concept of NSA malfeasance and intrusion? What lengths will you go to to defend the defenseless actions of this administration?

[treestar]

96. The subject, which you started, was whether Putin could

be behind the Snowden leaks.

You seem to think that would not be possible.

Now you've changed the subject back to the bad old USA that spies on everyone.

Putin could make the US look innocent as a new born babe.

Face it, Snowjob did not reveal any wrongdoing. He may have been a Russian asset all along.

[Jakes Progress]

99. Hence my irony reference.

You are completely wrong.

I didn't start the subject. Look upthread at the post to which I was referring.

My post was sarcastic. Sorry I didn't highlight the sarcasm in red for those who don't get such things. I was making fun of posts like yours that resort to all kinds of distraction because they can't actually discuss the issue without saying really stupid things like "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind". (Sound familiar?)

And you face it. You have a very skewed view of what constituted wrongdoing.

And you have been watching too many Bourne movies. Step away from the netflix and stop falling for the government memes that are meant to distract from the fact that our government is trying as hard as possible to become exactly like the "commie" government your fear so much.

Not that any of the issues matters to you though. My reading is that Obama could shoot your grandmother, and you would find a way to defend that action.

[shenmue]

47. Yep

Gets more like a Daniel Silva novel every day.

But I'm sure that won't matter to his fan club.

[DeSwiss]

48. ....

[Little Star]

51. I really don't give a damn how he stayed out of US hands. Good for him for trying to stay safe....

while telling us our own govt. is spying on us. Good for him.

[uponit7771]

64. ...and putting peoples lives at great risk as Der Spiegel revealed a couple of weeks ago?

That's good on Snowden?!

You know....der spiegel...the bastion of security state lackys said what Snowden had would put MANY MANY agencts in danger

[sheshe2]

53. Looks like Snowed-in,

is not as pure as the driven snow!

[caduceus111]

65. The plot only thickens because the story is completely made up.

Per Greenwald:

That story about the Russian consulate was fabricated; it never happened.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/ongoing-nsa-work#comment-26408563

The bigger question is who is making up these stories (or providing false details) to cause misdirection?

[struggle4progress]

98. OK. We could pursue that thesis. But a number of media outlets

are attributing the story to Russian press --- so who, in your theory, made up the story and to what end?

[Cha]

66. Greenwald's a liar. Snowden worshp at its most rabid.

[Hekate]

67. Well, well. More of the story unfolds. nt

[hobbit709]

71. Round 364 of the same old.

[Capt. Obvious]

76. LOL

[Scurrilous]

85. K & R

[orpupilofnature57]

101. I know who I don't believe, Detractors of Democracy, see ya.

Depending on who you believe ?, not the people WE just caught in a LIE.

[SidDithers]

106. DU rec...nt

Sid

[99Forever]

107. Ahhh... the authoritarian...

... tools are still throwing shitfits.

Isn't that special?