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Glenn Greenwald To Publish UK Secrets After Britain Detains Partner
RIO DE JANEIRO, Aug 19 (Reuters) - The journalist who first published secrets leaked by fugitive former U.S. intelligence agency contractor Edward Snowden vowed on Monday to publish more documents and said Britain will be "sorry" for detaining his partner for nine hours. British authorities used anti-terrorism laws on Sunday to detain David Miranda, partner of U.S. journalist Glenn Greenwald, as he passed through London's Heathrow airport.
Miranda, 28, a Brazilian citizen, said he was questioned for nine hours before being released without charge, minus his laptop, cellphone and memory sticks, which were seized. Greenwald, a columnist for Britain's the Guardian newspaper who is based in Rio de Janeiro, said the detention was an attempt to intimidate him for publishing documents leaked by Snowden disclosing U.S. surveillance of global internet communications. Snowden, who has been granted asylum by Russia, gave Greenwald from 15,000 to 20,000 documents with details of the U.S. National Security Agency's surveillance programs. "I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England too. I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did," Greenwald, speaking in Portuguese, told reporters at Rio's airport where he met Miranda upon his return to Brazil."They wanted to intimidate our journalism, to show that they have power and will not remain passive but will attack us more intensely if we continue publishing their secrets," he said.
Miranda told reporters that six British agents questioned him continuously about all aspects of his life during his detention in a room at Heathrow airport. He said he was freed and returned his passport only when he started shouting in the airport lounge. Brazil's government complained about Miranda's detention in a statement on Sunday that said the use of the British anti-terrorism law was unjustified. Many Brazilians are still upset with Britain's anti-terrorism policies because of the death of Brazilian electrician Jean Charles de Menezes, who was mistaken for a suspect in a bombing attempt in 2005. Menezes was shot seven times in the head by police on board an underground train at a London station.
cont'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/glenn-greenwald-uk-secrets-britain-detains-partner_n_3779667.html
update:
@ggreenwald: Thank you, @kansasalps - great job, Reuters and HuffPost http://t.co/CMRniGPOSR - Re
@ggreenwald: Thank you, @kansasalps - great job, Reuters and HuffPost
http://t.co/CMRniGPOSR - Reuters has now corrected this all
m.twitter.com/ggreenwald
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3491929
EC
(12,287 posts)you'll publish secrets to get even?
Segami
(14,923 posts)for releasing more files instead of getting even.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)1. I shouldn't have to wait to finally get proof/vindication of certain crimes I've long suspected...
2. The slower the drip, the more likely the chance that the information could no longer be relevant or the possibility of governments making a "deal" for some things to remain unreleased...
Segami
(14,923 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)and make those involved sweat for months.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)What if you wait long enough to the point where the data loses it's relativity? What if enough time passes for the government to completely nullify and discredit any future stories?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Release.
Government official comes forth and says X.
Release. X is a lie
Government official comes forth and tries to placate over X, makes statement Y.
Release. Y is a lie.
Government official comes forth and tries to placate over X and Y that they were caught lying over, makes statement Z.
Release. Z is a lie.
Now, how do you proceed, Governor? With more lying, or do you restructure the organization you are having to lie your ass off about?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I just want to know what Greenwald knows...All this time I've *tried* my best to stay above the DU namecalling, Snowden/Miranda/Paul/etc. sideshow silliness because I want to see the data for myself...I just want to examine the big picture as a whole instead of a piece released periodically...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)like the rest of us. No getting out in front of it, no analyzing it until he does, just a steady flow of information that scares the shit out of all of us.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)there would be a completely different term for what Greenwald is doing...
But that aside, the bottom line is you're right and all I can do is continue to wait...At least the sideshows so far have been entertaining...
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)How ironic.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I'd have thought we'd *all* want to see it...
brush
(53,787 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:30 PM - Edit history (1)
Talk about enjoying his 15 minutes, and with a hint of blackmail even!
fasttense
(17,301 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)"I'd like to blackmail my way out of getting extra-judicially renditioned, please hold the drones"
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
LearningCurve
(488 posts)but it is THEY who will be exposed! muahahahahahahahaha!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)after they came for me, and they harassed him for 9 hours for nothing, and he went on back to the home we share in Brazil.
Not a pretty picture of democracy.
* Babylon 5 quote I meant to post, but I won't because it would scare the dickens out of everyone on the board. It's the one between Morden and Vir, and I'm not promoting anything of the sort, it just has parallels.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)LearningCurve
(488 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)LearningCurve
(488 posts)Thanks for the link
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It was a great show!
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'll check it out. I saw your Lyta avatar . I'm a major fan of Talia, due to her relationship with Susan, but Lyta kicked ass.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Sorry for the off topic but for fans this is an important link.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Q: Will the UK's detention of your partner deter your future reporting?
A: Absolutely not. If anything, it will do the opposite. It will embolden me: I have many more documents to report on, including ones about the UK, where I'll now focus more. I will be more aggressive, not less, in reporting.
Q: What effect do you think they'll be of the UK's detention of your partner?
A: When they do things like this, they show the world their real character. It'll backfire. I think they'll come to regret it.
REUTERS: HE VOWS TO PUBLISH DOCUMENTS ABOUT UK AFTER DETENTION, SAYS THEY WILL BE SORRY!!!
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)He refers to England's spy system and then says "they" will be sorry.
"I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England too. I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did,"
And speaking in Portuguese so presumably, it not being his native tongue, he kept it simple.
No mention of him raising his hand to God and vowing.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Greenwald's a clown.
Sid
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)One who is completely unaware they are a clown.
Cha
(297,317 posts)fault!!111 )
john miller @deaconmill
So GG's partner was working as a drug runner, except w/ top secret documents, & we are supposed to be outraged he was stopped. #GiveMeABreak
4:00 AM - 19 Aug 2013
12 Retweets 1 favorite Reply
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Oh please explain ...can't wait to hear this...
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Give that journalist a Pulitzer. What a freedom fighter.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Tiy should try reading the story
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)"I am going to publish things on England too. I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did,"
appears to be a verbatim quote, and I'd say the headline pretty closely matches that in both content and connotations.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Q: Will the UK's detention of your partner deter your future reporting?
A: Absolutely not. If anything, it will do the opposite. It will embolden me: I have many more documents to report on, including ones about the UK, where I'll now focus more. I will be more aggressive, not less, in reporting.
Q: What effect do you think they'll be of the UK's detention of your partner?
A: When they do things like this, they show the world their real character. It'll backfire. I think they'll come to regret it.
The link is posted above.
Have a wonderful day
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Headlines are meant to get eyes on copy, not be accurate.
I am talking from real life experience. I rarely pay attention to headlines any longer
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)Let's review:
"I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England too. I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did," Greenwald, speaking in Portuguese, told reporters at Rio's airport where he met Miranda upon his return to Brazil.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You mean it got translated to English.
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)But Geenwald is arguing that's not what he said and Reuters is sensationalizing.
Q: Will the UK's detention of your partner deter your future reporting?
A: Absolutely not. If anything, it will do the opposite. It will embolden me: I have many more documents to report on, including ones about the UK, where I'll now focus more. I will be more aggressive, not less, in reporting.
Q: What effect do you think they'll be of the UK's detention of your partner?
A: When they do things like this, they show the world their real character. It'll backfire. I think they'll come to regret it.
REUTERS: HE VOWS TO PUBLISH DOCUMENTS ABOUT UK AFTER DETENTION, SAYS THEY WILL BE SORRY!!!
http://tl.gd/n_1rm09tf ·
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2013, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)
To his simple and flawed Portuguese
And then the bad Portuguese translated back into oversimplified English.
Segami
(14,923 posts)But then again, it doesn't surprise me the least bit that when a bit of cheese is put out, how many rats show up to nibble on it!
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)if a husband said this about his wife being detained like that, or vice versa, it would be seen as honorable.
I'd be pissed, too.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)pissed if he was detained? Come on now.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Drug dealer language.
Pure propaganda.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to fuel the Space Shuttle. Did he have or did he not have classified documents, is the first one.
Yes, no, maybe so? You and I don't know. He was let go.
Wow, that was almost poetic.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I wouldn't have to be set up for anything if it was my spouse. They are your spouse, you love them, and you will hold them above all others.
Oh, but you were implying that they were just really good friends engaged in espionage.
You are very off key.
No one "mules" their partner, best friend and spouse. That is what has been ludicrous from the start with this position. If you think anyone with a shred of care for their spouse would set them up for foreign detention, prosecution, and to be kept away from them, you are really a piece of work.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)28-year-old guy doesn't have free will?
And he was carrying drugs?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)But gawd dammit, Glenn Greenwald will!!!
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Daleks!! ....
oh...wait.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)He sounds crazy in that piece.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Cha
(297,317 posts)MO. Joy Reid's calling it "punishment jounalism"..
Joy Reid @TheReidReport
Welcome to 'punishment journalism': Greenwald says Britain 'will be sorry' for detaining his partner. Via @reuters http://reut.rs/17XXACW
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/08/19/rise-and-shine-586/#comments
EOTE
(13,409 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)puff myself all up and you'll see just how big I can get!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Like everyone makes their spouse available for arrest because they are handy.
This is a fucked up idea on many levels.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)I would be furious if someone went after my spouse because of something I did.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)This guy is a legend in his own mind.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)documents. What a blowhard. A legend in his own mind for sure. He's also a Rand Paul Libertarian. I fully expect that by next week he'll be endorsing Ted Cruz for president.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Greenwald said he thinks the UK may regret what they did.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)"I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did"
dkf
(37,305 posts)The mistranslation could come from either side.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Apparently, the use of Greenwald's initials is homophobic, if you add "ee" to it? Wow! Who knew?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Using the GeeGee slur again, hunh?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Hate speech isn't ok on this site.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You really saying you missed the whole two weeks of argument about that?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Fuck GG! That better?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)He is constantly being lied about and misrepresented.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Can you point me to a thread or something?
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I've referred to Greenwald as GG in many posts on the internet. I'm now guessing that because Gigi is a woman's name in French, and also a movie about a woman, that Greenwald is referred to by that in order to imply he isn't a real man. I had an Italian born foreman/job supervisor named Luigi that we called Gigi, I never connected that "GG" was anything but an abbreviation.
Cripes, I hate when language is twisted for nasty reasons. I'll stop using that abbreviation, so as to avoid confusion, if my guess is correct.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)In addition, the use of the phrase "drama queen" is verboten for the same reason. I suggest "drama lord" as a substitution, but it may not be good enough.
I don't know what to suggest if you are trying to avoid typing in Glen Greenwald for the umpteenth time. I used GG just now because the entire name would not fit in my header.
I beg forgiveness for what I did not know and could not have been expected to know.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3489969
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)People were deliberately calling him GiGi, a woman's name.
Then tried to get away with GeeGee.
I didn't say anything about GG.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Possibly because I do not give a flying pig about his personal life.
As for "GG", others here at DU are definitely making the leap.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)GeeGee was the fallback after people got called out on using using GiGi, a women's name, to refer to a gay man.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I was trying to reply to DisgustipatedinCA.
My bad.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)I brought it up before poster changed it.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I've no reason to use "gg" or "gigi" as opposed to Glenn Greenwald but I need to know how those two terms are homophobic slurs. I'm not challenging anyone, I just need educating here.
Thanks.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)People were calling him GiGi. He's gay. That's a woman's name.
When called out on it, they changed it winkingly to GeeGee.
Poster I originally responded to used "GeeGee." When I pointed it out, she changed it to GG, which no one has a problem with.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)or I wouldn't have asked. But thank you for the explanation nonetheless.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Eh, Neo-DU?
And then they crash and burn. This thing isn't going to end well for GG.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:05 PM - Edit history (1)
tridim
(45,358 posts)Public shaming and ridicule for his scam is enough for me.
His rubes and pawns will turn on him soon and likely pursue legal action. I would, but then again I knew he was a scammer from day one. He was as easy to detect as any used car salesman or TV pitchman.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)post a link. Liberals need to ask themselves some serious questions about GG. You'll notice he never writes about the social justice issues liberals claim to care about, like poverty, disparities in wealth & education. He's a selfish ass libertarian, who thinks corporations should be able to do whatever the hell they want, and the government should leave them alone to do it. I was gobsmacked when I learned that he supported the Citizens United ruling, and that he favors a very wealthy individual being able to buy political office. Hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe this cretin.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)What about the public's RIGHT TO KNOW IF IT'S SO DAMNED IMPORTANT?
No, he needs eyes on HIM (plus some $$$ to control the Snowden access) instead of just making a disclosure for the public good.
Grift.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)It's not like he hasn't been misquoted and misrepresented before. But do you even care what the truth is?
@ggreenwald: @bungdan No-it was in Portuguese. I said they'll come to regret what it (arrependerr) when asked what the world impact would be of detention
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
19th August 2013 from TwitLonger
Reuters is the absolute worst at tearing comments out of context for sensationalizing headlines. The paraphrase:
Q: Will the UK's detention of your partner deter your future reporting?
A: Absolutely not. If anything, it will do the opposite. It will embolden me: I have many more documents to report on, including ones about the UK, where I'll now focus more. I will be more aggressive, not less, in reporting.
Q: What effect do you think they'll be of the UK's detention of your partner?
A: When they do things like this, they show the world their real character. It'll backfire. I think they'll come to regret it.
REUTERS: HE VOWS TO PUBLISH DOCUMENTS ABOUT UK AFTER DETENTION, SAYS THEY WILL BE SORRY!!!
http://tl.gd/n_1rm09tf · Reply
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Segami
(14,923 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Really? I realize you reproduced the Reuters article.
On the Front Page it reads "Greenwald Vows Vengeance."
@ggreenwald: Beyond misleading: RT @pmcall HuffPo has misleading headline on front page characterizing GG remarks as vow of revenge.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Of course the Huffington Post does so sensationalize.
But many here are quick to hang this comment on Glen....nothing about the Huffington Post.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)HuffPo has the Reuters article with the Reuters headline, but then their own headline on front page. It is confusing.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Your argument is tantamount to arguing what the meaning of "is" is.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)That's your argument?
Without a hint of irony?
It's not about heroes. It's about truth and facts.
I wouldn't have to spend so much time countering bullshit about Greenwald if there wasn't so much bullshit about Greenwald.
I have spent plenty of time debunking bullshit about plenty of other people, including Barack Obama.
And, no, the argument (although technically I just posted what Greenwald stated) is not tantamount to arguing what the meaning of is is.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)it's a clear signal of vengeance. However, it may not work the way he hopes. In his spittle laced interview, he was clearly seething with rage, and promised that the UK government would regret this action, because it will only cause him to double down on his exposure. That's a threat, and a personal vendetta, no matter what the new meaning of "is" is. Because one is a "journalist" (his contention, not mine) does not give one license to break laws. I'm waiting for GG to take on Russia or Ecuador, now that would be brave.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Come on, Hissy.
You know this!
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)versus "revenge"?
Both are threats. You think that he believes the "regret" is on the order of being a nuisance versus enough to make them scramble? If that's the case, then why all the histrionics?
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Careful Glenn that might be exactly what they want, so you can officially be labelled a terrorist. Not a bright statement to make.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@ggreenwald: Thank you, @kansasalps - great job, Reuters and HuffPost
http://t.co/CMRniGPOSR - Reuters has now corrected this all
m.twitter.com/ggreenwald
Was wondering why he would say something so cliche. More bullshit I see.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)The personal, as everyones so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide from under it with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way, you stand a better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that its just business, its politics, its the way of the world, its a tough life and that its nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.
― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon
http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2095852-altered-carbon
An interesting way of looking at things, it's a bit wordier than "Revenge is a dish best served cold" but it's more a call to arms than advice as an aside. I'm not suggesting this reflects GG's attitude/world view but I do think it worth weighing given the contempt the 1% and their employees have been showing the rest of us.
Lest we forget, GG has reason to think he is a target.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)you chose a passage out of. I wonder how long it is until that book is burned.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@ggreenwald: Reuters told me they're correcting all the things they got wrong in reporting my comments - just a few hours after all damage is done
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@ggreenwald: Thank you, @kansasalps - great job, Reuters and HuffPost
http://t.co/CMRniGPOSR - Reuters has now corrected this all
m.twitter.com/ggreenwald
Segami
(14,923 posts)krawhitham
(4,644 posts)just saying
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is that what you are saying?
Skraxx
(2,977 posts)Sneering at his minions.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)that his partner was questioned, he's going to release information that he was previously content with keeping secret?
Who the f*ck does this guy think he is? His behavior is erratic and unprincipled, to say the least! Everything he does has a snake-like/disingenuous feel to it.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)All he needs is a white cat.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Unrec!