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[Adam051188]

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[geckosfeet]

1. Agreed for the most part. Disagree with the boomer bashing.

Health care: we have a huge health care problem in this country. 45 million with no health care. Imo they should all have easy free access to health care. Most boomers have healthcare provisions in pension plans and/or social security.

Many boomers will retire on SSI. Some will stil work. But that opens job opportunities for the newly employable.

SSI funding. Thd boomers, and everyone else has paid into SSI. ie: fully funded. If the government pisses that away in the coporate quest for global domination, how is that any one demographics fault?

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. Boomer bashing never gets old on DU apparently.

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. ...

[Hekate]

10. Massive fail, Adam

[Hekate]

16. Git offa my lawn, sonny

How's that?

[Safetykitten]

11. Adam, don't let anyone convince you that the Boomers are innocent.

FACT. We are to blame for the majority of the problems.

[WinkyDink]

37. Maybe 20-somethings ought to consider living in crappy apartments after college, like I and many

others did. We didn't think the 4-BR/2 1/2 BA in suburbia came with our degrees.

[Eleanors38]

41. I was 37 before I moved out of a no-AC $290 three-occupant 2-1 with roaches...

Saved like hell, paid thick taxes for being self-employed, drove $500 cars, went to free punk-rock shows for entertainment, no T.V.

Ageism is just another -ism, waiting for a blank to fill in.

[geckosfeet]

43. We? Speak for yourself dear.

I have been fighting the good fight since high school.

And I have no idea what you are talking about.

[geckosfeet]

13. Ha ha. Yes. Everyone the boomers invented corruption and political duplicity.

It's all their fault - un-fucking believable.

This must be from an idealogical youngster witb a narrow but short view of life.

I didn't elect reagsn or bush. But i did vote for O and am still watching my SSI getting pissed away.

[Safetykitten]

14. No they did not invent it. We perfected it.

[cali]

17. lol. more nonsense from you.

[Safetykitten]

20. Yes, we perfected it. So many examples, daily life in the US by definition is a series of denials

and lies that we buy and sell.

[cali]

26. that's just absurd.

I mean you can prattle on about it from here until doomsday but that won't make it anything but your OPINION. You seem completely confused about the difference between facts and opinions, kitten.

[Safetykitten]

29. Nicely played...

Yes, they are my opinions. Rodeo incident? FACT. Person/group hurt by incident? FACT. Their opinion is theirs. They are not "idiots" for voicing it.

[Eleanors38]

42. Respectfully, it is still an "ism." And isms seek blame, scapegoating & distraction.

[LordGlenconner]

18. Not exactly undiscovered territory

Every generation believes the preceding generation was made up of glutenous louts who raped and pillaged and screwed things up for their generation.

Those who come after you will be saying and writing the same things about your generation. Guaranteed.

[Safetykitten]

19. True, but they may be using rocks and mallets to write. But yes, every generation has it's issues...

and ours, the Boomers have had at our disposal the most exquisite tools to destroy and pillage the planet.

[Warpy]

27. Allowed to happen? Honey, WE WERE NEVER CONSULTED!

Chew on that one for a while.

[WinkyDink]

36. You must be very young. I'm 63; it was MY PARENTS' GENERATION who were "Reagan Democrats."

MY DEMOCRATIC generation voted for MCGOVERN (OR RFK OR MCCARTHY in the primaries); for CARTER; for MONDALE; you CATCH MY DRIFT.

GET OFF YOUR REAR-ENDS, YOU DISAFFECTED GENERATION, LIKE WE DID; TAKE TO THE STREETS/CAMPUSES; RISK YOUR LIVES (KENT STATE; E.G.).

OR MAYBE BE GLAD YOU AREN'T BEING DRAFTED.

[DURHAM D]

40. Exactly this.

Upon reading the ignorant generation bashing by the OP I just assumed he was a Paulite and went on. I am glad you and others took the time to respond.

[sabrina 1]

33. It's the result of years of lies about SS, probably just a lack of knowledge of the facts.

rather than intentional bashing. Boomers not only paid for their parents generation, the more than paid for their own retirement and put ZERO strain on SS. In fact they are mostly responsible for the huge surplus in the SS Fund.

Seems the OP thinks that SS comes from the Federal Government and doesn't understand it is a completely separate fund.

[sabrina 1]

39. Last I checked the SS fund had a surplus of over 2 trillion dollars. Thanks Boomers! The Fed Govt

borrowed from it, for their wars etc.

In return, the Government issues Treasury Bonds as they do to all their creditors, China et al. Iow, we the people are Creditors of the Fed. Govt. The money is NOT gone, the loan is backed by the 'Full Faith and Credit of the US Government' in the form of Treasury Bonds. The SS fund receives INTEREST on those bonds each year, which is another form of income, one of three, the SS Fund receives each year.

The US Govt has never defaulted on its Treasury Bonds and if it ever does, iow, this is what Right Wingers want them to do with ONE Creditor, the American People, that would destroy US Credit all over the world and other Creditors, China, eg, would probably begin cashing in the THEIR Treasury Bonds.

The SS fund is fine, it doesn't need 'fixing', it has continued to produce a surplus each year even during the recession, because it doesn't just depend on SS Taxes which people out of work cannot pay.

If we did nothing to extend the fund for the next 25 years or more, MORE if the economy improves, SS could pay out all of its obligations, 100%. And that is the most negative prediction.

When Right Wingers say there is 'nothing in the fund' they are deliberately lying.

They KNOW about the Treasury Bonds, but want to scare people into privatizing that huge fund so they can gamble with it on Wall St.

Democrats have always been the defenders of SS, trying to keep the greedy hands of Wall St off that huge fund. Sadly we are beginning to see some on the 'Left' begin to promote the false impression that SS is in 'trouble'.

All that is needed to extend this program 100% is to lift the income cap and focus on EMPLOYMENT, not Wars, and stop rewarding Big Corps in the form of subsidies and tax breaks, for sending our jobs overseas.

SS is fine, thanks to the baby boomers in large part.

[slipslidingaway]

47. You need to look again at SS, as Sabrina said the boomers left a huge surplus ...

too bad some do not take the time to actually know what transpired and repeat falsehoods.

[Turbineguy]

3. Climate deniers base their knowledge

on their ignorance of the latent heat of fusion.

[sinkingfeeling]

6. Welcome and now you go on my ignore list.

[Safetykitten]

8. Thank you. I feel sorry for the younger people...

that this is what I and my generation are leaving them. The crush of us getting older will have a huge impact on them. It's not going to be pretty. Of course it will be fine if you have money. But the younger generations will be tapped out, and paying the price. This COULD of been solved by a single payer, but no, we will have insurance companies on our necks for the rest of our lives.

The bigger picture I was going for was life is too short to spend in a country that has lost it's values, and run by two parties, one that has no values whatsoever, and the other that just got fucking lost in the bank vault. You as a younger person, or older with marketable talents that other countries would want to see about being in place that is not so naked in it's voracious appetite to keep people in economic constant terror and fear, and now, still, medical care limbo.

I try to be optimistic, but I myself can't go anywhere. I am offering advice. I have two college degrees, and am guilty of the cime of being old. Sadly the government cannot redo the stats so I disappear off the rolls like the unemployed and gave up, People like me are here for good.

I don't see any great change, revolution, mass hysteria or spectacular change, just a general lurching slowly and deliberately to a place where things more and more just don't work. President Obama had a amazing chance to do some things, just even some that would make me more optimistic, but he has chosen not to.

Most likely the next President will be republican, and we will all be talking about how much an asshole he is, as he will spy on us, take advantage of the poor, not make any HC changes, give massive amounts of aid to the banks and Wall Street and generally do what is a blurred line between republicans and Democrats.

Again, life is too short to live in a country where you are under constant stress, there are other counties out there that value their citizens, and not use them as fodder.

[NCTraveler]

9. So was I. It went something like this.

Where ya going and when ya leaving?

[DevonRex]

15. I hear

Brazil and Russia are taking Americans in. Greenwald needs a dishwasher, or so that NYT article said.

[LanternWaste]

21. Prophetic sandwich boards make me giggle.

Prophetic sandwich boards make me giggle. Not a swipe against anyone, mid you. I simply remember my youth when it was all the rage to fantasize about post-apocalyptic, dystopian landscapes based off of hack-authored, badly-written sci-fi novel...

Never once realizing at the time that every generation over the past 1,000 years has had their own handful of clowns declaring "Repent! The end is nigh!!!!"

[Safetykitten]

23. I don't think anyone here said that it would be a physically dystopian science fiction world...

So nice try.

It will pretty much look like the world today, with some changes here and there. A radioactive Pacific here, a gene crop no go zone there, but overall pretty much the same with clean water that is kinda hard to get from taps that exist, people that have no money living together in bigger groups, the government more militaristic. Just a creeping up on you kinda bad place.

At this rate, and maybe you can deny it, more wealth will be to a very few, and more poverty for the rest.

But keep up those happy thoughts, and at times look up from the screen on the phone that slaves made for you.

[LanternWaste]

32. But still... good luck with the "End is nigh! repent!" stuff

I use to justify the irrational in my youth too.

However, being an adult makes that rather time consuming... and somewhat petulant too.

But still... good luck with the "End is nigh! repent!" stuff-- as every single generation before you has done.

[olddots]

22. over 7 billion people and robotics

we can run but we can't hide .

[cali]

25. OK. Fine.

and for the record, I was the one that alerted on kitten's op. Had she not blamed the entire universe of problems in this country SOLELY on President Obama, I would not have done so. Now I'm hardly known here as a big Obama supporter; a day rarely goes by when I'm not accused by at least one person of being an "Obama hater", but that kind of ridiculous and erroneous shit doesn't belong on DU. Criticize Obama and the administration? You bet. That's not what kitten was engaging in. Read like it came right off a wingnut site of ill repute.

I think you're making a lot of predictions with shaky evidence- such as these:

Western Europe is vulnerable to African and Russian chaos, but certain small national pockets have a high probability of being spared significant hardship even in that event.

Chile and western Argentina are perfect for the climate change scenario but lack developed armies to defend themselves from the chaos that will be emanating very strongly I believe from the Brazilian and Argentine coast.

Who the hell knows? This kind of stuff simply can't be predicted with any fucking degree of accuracy as there are far, far too many variables involved.

Then you make this claim:

The reason it is not exhibiting itself as "global warming" (IE; the air around us and soil under our feet is not getting hotter)

Actually, those claims are wrong and the evidence has been around for years. I could give you dozens of links to evidence that you're wrong:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html

http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/

http://www.livescience.com/37003-global-warming.html

And say what?

Parts of South America and Western Europe are the only other parts of the world that have solid chances of escaping the resource shortage struggles totally unscathed.

Based on what? And how the hell is Western Europe going to be able to produce enough food to feed the well over hundred million who already live there, should the worst in unrest and climate change consume the world within the next 30 years?

Oh, and blaming one generation or another en masse, is just stupid blame game crap.

[cali]

38. lol. I don't even know who you are or remember

whatever it is you're referring to. Why would I?

You seem to be forgetting that little item I mentioned: Food. Really think either Switzerland or Norway can manage without importing food? And if the world is in the shape that you're predicting, what do you think happens to the global oil market?

Yes, it is that hard to predict. That's why smart people and scientists in the field stay away from making the type of predictions you're engaging in.

You won't argue about me with climate change because you made patently dim and easily disproved claims- which I did. Poor wittle you. Not the sharpest....

lame, honey.

[HappyMe]

28. Meh. Someday your kids and

grandkids will blame your generation for fucking everything up. They will complain ad nauseam about old people (you) and how much better you had it - all the while asking you for money.

[Egalitarian Thug]

44. How serendipidous, we've been considering this very issue for the few months.

Ms. Thug & I are basically done. I've just finished what i likely my last deal and what we hope is her last contract is winding down, so we're focusing on where we want to go.

We've basically reached very much the same conclusions you've put forth here.

Getting out of the U.S. isn't easy, nobody really wants us. The good places in the developed world are battening down and worrying about what the hell they're going to do with the refugees they've already let in, and the few sane emerging nations don't have the stability and are still rife with corruption.

America, Russia, and China are going full-on fascist, and the Mercosur member states are squarely in their sights.

Iceland, which has successfully (so far) managed to avoid making themselves much of a target, but they are very difficult to get into and are in a precarious position.

Pay no attention to the idiots, they're a lost cause and are determined to suffer their fate, while dragging down as many others as they can, with them.

[liberal_at_heart]

45. oh my gosh I can't believe some of the the responses on this thread. Just when I think we can't

act anymore like republicans we go and start bashing baby boomers. Are baby boomers perfect? Are they without mistakes? No. Of course not. But then again my generation is not without blame, neither is my daughter's generation. We are all to blame, so let's stop the old vs. young crap. We need to not only protect the social programs we have now, but we need to be fighting to restore the funding that these programs had before trickle down economics was inflicted on our country. Let's stop saying things like we need to make cuts in order to insure the viability of these programs down the road and start saying let's restore funding to what it used to be. Instead of cutting it to ensure it's survival, let's put more money in it to ensure it's survival. We need to be doing the same for public pensions, public education, public fire and police, public infrastructure, anything public. We have been letting the rich defund our programs for too long now. It's time to fight to restore the funding.