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[JaneyVee]

1. Hopefully he explains it when he's hired at FOX news.

[Boom Sound 416]

2. That's lol-able

[Socal31]

3. May get flamed for this, but I don't know If it was "racism" in the portrayed sense.

From the pictures, I think this is the same clown that was at the Missoula State rodeo in Darby, MT last month. Somehow I ended up in the stands (mother lives up there and gave me a ticket). Before I left because using animals for entertainment is not my thing, I saw the clown's antics. It was mostly hokey low-brow entertainment (performing different dances to 90s songs, throwing footballs into the stands) etc.

Although it was not my type of crowd or show, I never once got a sense of racial hate. Now, that is not to say that there weren't racists cheering this guy because they hate Obama based on skin only at this recent rodeo, but as far as the clown himself, I just didn't get that previously.

The easiest way to tell is if there is a pattern. Racists suck at hiding it, they are almost proud of it. There would be grainy video of other borderline or worse than borderline activities involving this guy. And before you think that nobody would report it, you would be surprised with who has moved to retire in mid-west. There are plenty of Democrats around.

Either way, I agree with the ban. Actions have consequences, and some learn that the hard way.

[Boom Sound 416]

5. Yes I agree with the ban too.

He must be made an example of

"Now, that is not to say that there weren't racists cheering this guy because they hate Obama based on skin only at this recent rodeo, but as far as the clown himself, I just didn't get that previously."
---agreed

[BainsBane]

105. and just what has to happen for you to figure out something is racist?

[Socal31]

108. The Obama mask was not present.

And I will say that I was not aware of the lips angle when I posted that yesterday, which is an obvious racial attack.

[BainsBane]

109. What do you mean the mask "was not present"?

[Socal31]

112. My original post was based off of an experience I recently had.

I have been digging to see if this rodeo clown was the same as I witnessed, because the pictures look similar, and this guy supposedly does multiple rodeos annually.

I did not witness any racial issues at the event I was at, which now is not relevant since it has been made more than obvious by new information I have seen that this was racial.

[BainsBane]

113. Okay

[Vinnie From Indy]

4. There are many layers to this story.

Simply wearing a mask of Obama is not racist.

It was extremely poor judgement and disrespectful to the office to wear the mask and pretend a bull was going to run down the President.

It WAS racist when the other clown played with the lips on the mask.

It was simply unacceptable that the incident occurred at a taxpayer funded, state sponsored event like the MO State Fair. This part of the story is why the clown and maybe the Rodeo Assoc. needed to be sanctioned.

The last layer is BY FAR the most racist element to this story - the online reactions on many of the comment threads at newspaper web sites and other web sites. The explosion of unvarnished racism in response to the story was quite a thing to behold. The use of the N-word and pictures of monkeys to depict the first family got so bad that the KC Star had to DISABLE their comments sections on stories related to the clown incident. Politico as well has had hundreds of "in your face" racist comments on their comment threads.

[Boom Sound 416]

10. "It WAS racist when the other clown played with the lips on the mask."

Wow. didn't catch that one

one point for racism

[xmas74]

31. I have a friend who actually saw it.

She was there with her children that night. Another friend is friends with the gentleman who released the video. Both said that another clown played with his lips.

[theHandpuppet]

6. Do you really need to ask that question?

Please help me, someone. I took a left turn at DU and ended up in an alternate universe.

[Boom Sound 416]

11. uhh, yes

thanks for checking in

[theHandpuppet]

16. Surely

I could also wonder if the OP was race-baiting or simply clueless. Should I put it to a vote?

[Boom Sound 416]

18. You may put it to a vote

And don't call me Shirley


The OP's point (who is me) is that often race gets tossed in like napalm where it didn't exist and therefore creating yet another wound in our society. A needless one that does noting to help the situation. Either the tasteless one or the racism one

[theHandpuppet]

19. Uh-huh

Your first sentence was most revealing, not that this thread wasn't transparent enough.

[Boom Sound 416]

20. What? Don't call me Shirley?

Listen, it's an honest question so either stop reading between the lines

Or start.

[HangOnKids]

44. The "where a Bush mask" was most revealing in the original OP n/t

[Boom Sound 416]

45. Oh, you got me!

Damn. What was I thinking?

I blew it! Gee if I was only as smart as you

[BainsBane]

106. I know the feeling

[spanone]

7. a racist unfunny clown

[madinmaryland]

8. Racist. nt

[EV_Ares]

9. It was absolutely racist. I mean what more do you need. The clown making the lips boble, the crowd

as they say going wild when he asks if they want to see the bull run Obama down and more.

Also, it is Missouri where Romney won big & the fair is in rural Missouri.

[Boom Sound 416]

12. i can back and forth on these points

the lips thing for sure

running obama down, i don't know. could be yes, could be no

im not ready to indict of Missourians. They did reelect Claire McCaskill

[Scootaloo]

15. Would anyone have thought to do this with a Bush mask? Clinton?

No, the whole thing revolves around the President being someone who is "out of place," and needs to be "taught a lesson" or even destroyed.

The genesis of all this is simply the belief that Obama is illegitimate because he's not a white man. That's why the "joke" was conceived, that's why the crowd went wild, that's why the rodeo association gave it a thumbs-up. On and on down the line, Obama is presented as a thug conducting a home invasion on the white house.

[Boom Sound 416]

17. I think people would

Have thought to this with a bush or Clinton mask, but it's your point to illegitimatacy that I agree with you

That very likely may have been the motivation.

[DustyJoe]

30. rodeo hijinx

In 1994 they put a Bush mask on a dummy propped up by a broomstick and the bull tore the dummy up. Lampooning presidents at rodeos is not a new thing.

[RZM]

35. Patrick Swayze would have n/t

[thetonka]

59. You mean something like this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2916155.stm

Political hatred is not always racist.

[oberliner]

104. Are you seriously asking that question?

Of course people would do that with a Bush or Clinton mask.

[lastlib]

13. Missouri is the home of Todd Akin and Roy Blunt.....

The Congressional district where the fair is held is (dis-)represented by Vicki Hartzler, a major-league Teabagger.

[Boom Sound 416]

14. That's fair, I'm just not ready to lump an entire state under their rock

[BainsBane]

119. Who said anything about an entire state?

Your OP questions whether the clown rodeo incident was racist, when it is in fact a patently obvious demonstration of racism. Your point about indicting the entire state is a non-sequitur.
This game of yours really isn't very clever.

[Boom Sound 416]

121. And you finally got to me

I was starting feel left out

My response is to

"13. Missouri is the home of Todd Akin and Roy Blunt....."

Then the poster goes onto mention the former rep of the district.

My response is to that context

Just take a breath and stop being the smartest kid in class all the time like you did a few posts above.

[BainsBane]

122. You're not keeping up

My first response in this thread was to your OP.

[Boom Sound 416]

123. Oh I saw it

I figured it was rhetorical, no?

[BainsBane]

125. So "you finally got to me"

was entirely without basis. Just another way to

[Boom Sound 416]

127. Well you didn't respond to the substance

What else is new

So who's stirring it again?

[BainsBane]

131. Substance?

Where was that? Australia?

[Boom Sound 416]

133. Done

[Blue Idaho]

21. He was a republican

Racist, Teabagger, Burcher, KKK member - it's all really the same thing these days.

[Boom Sound 416]

22. Bircher! I hate those trees as well

Jk

[Blue Idaho]

23. Thanks for the catch!

[frogmarch]

24. Racist. Doesn't the

jiggling of the dummy's lips tell you that? It certainly does me.

[Boom Sound 416]

25. Honestly I didn't know about the lips thing

With the other clown till someone mentioned it this thread. And I agree that is indisputable.

Still what motivated the guy in the first place and another poster articulated it well in terms of legitimacy

[iloveObama12]

26. Fox News Will Be Giving This Clown His Own Weekend Show

right after the mike huckabee show

[MotherPetrie]

27. All of the above.

[Logical]

28. Well, lets face it. The Dixie Chicks were run off the radio for less. n-t

[Hekate]

38. They certainly were.

[canonfodder]

29. Just one question

Was such an action ever been done while any other President was in office?
This is an honest question. I don't have time to play Google.

[Skip Intro]

32. How was it racist? n/t

[1KansasDem]

33. If the jiggling of the masked clowns lips was the racist act,

shouldn't they have banned the 2nd clown from future rodeo's?

[Boom Sound 416]

36. indeed

which is how situations like these get distorted and disconnected from the facts and common sense

[Iggo]

34. He's a racist.

You're welcome.

[mick063]

37. Absolutely

As well as a good portion of the crowd.

Despicable.

[Hekate]

39. Yes, from the face mask to getting a broom handle shoved up his... back, it was racist to the core.

Parts of the audience certainly thought it was great -- Too bad for them that blackface vaudeville is no more, as well as meaty roles such as Stepen Fetchitt used to play.

[PD Turk]

40. I don't know

I don't know if the clown himself is a racist or not, I don't personally know the guy. Was the act racist? Yeah, I believe it was racist. Now, whoever put him up to it, there's the racist. I'm not buying that he just all of a sudden "went rogue", somebody put him up to it, and when it all started going south, headed for the hills. I'm not going to judge the clown too harshly, for now anyway. I've known a few rodeo clowns, they were rodeo cowboys who had too many bad falls off of bulls or broncs and couldn't ride anymore, so they took the only work the rodeo had to offer them, getting paid very little and living a hair's breadth above homelessness. They'd probably do just about anything they thought the crowd might find funny just to keep working, especially if the boss told them to.

I'd just love to know who that boss is, there's the real culprit.

[Jamastiene]

41. It was racist, plain and simple.

You have to ask?

[steve2470]

42. Racist nt

[Egnever]

43. Of course he is a racist

I never tried to be a racist or anything like that. I love all people no matter their background. I live to make people laugh. When TV comedians are doing it every day, Rush Limbaugh is doing it every day,

He just hangs out with other racists and doesn't realize it.

[HangOnKids]

47. Oh this is interesting!

[Boom Sound 416]

51. Enough to keep you here I guess

[HangOnKids]

52. Yes I love a good mash up!

[theHandpuppet]

61. Yes, indeed

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who has found this so illuminating. I would have returned sooner but was otherwise engaged in putting the finishing touches to my dissertation on incendiary screeds. This thread and some of the Zimmerman exchanges have been most helpful in my research.

[HangOnKids]

65. Indeed!

I'm not sure this qualifies as a screed though Hand, most screeds are a bit more, shall we say "direct".

[Boom Sound 416]

66. happy to help!

[HangOnKids]

71. Keep Helping!

More DERP!

[Boom Sound 416]

74. i think we found the president of my fan club

but no stalking!

[Rex]

75. Kewl story bro!

[Boom Sound 416]

79. ...

[HangOnKids]

81. Hey didn't you get the memo....DU is a public forum

You post.... people reply. If you don't like it don't post! Easy peezie!

[Boom Sound 416]

82. thanks,

but since you practically hijacked my thread i thought it was just a dialogue between you and me

[HangOnKids]

84. I Hijacked Your Thread?

All by myself? Holy Moly! That is just fucking amazing.

[Boom Sound 416]

85. if i'm so repulsive

then go outside and enjoy the day. maybe find some traffic to play in

[HangOnKids]

88. They go outside? Who????

You shouldn't tell "they" to go play in traffic, that kind of talk could just get your post hidden Boomer.

[Boom Sound 416]

92. ...

[Boom Sound 416]

99. No luck, eh?

[HangOnKids]

116. I didn't alert on your post Boomer

I was just giving you some tips!

[Boom Sound 416]

117. Now you're just making it too easy

[HangOnKids]

118. Keep Going Boomer

I am quite amused by you!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

48. Most hatred and mockery of Obama is not racism, same as with Bush or Clinton

Emphasising his lips is circumstantial evidence of racism, but joking about Obama being crushed by a bull certainly isn't in itself.

[Boom Sound 416]

49. That's how I've felt

The above poster referencing Obama's legitimacy (or the argument against it) I think has some merit

[liberal N proud]

53. Why he did it is immaterial - what it looked like is racism

[Boom Sound 416]

54. the latter may be true, but

but i think the answer is rooted in the motivation

[liberal N proud]

55. Perception is 9/10's

[Boom Sound 416]

57. fair enough

I'm certainly not defending this guy

[CBGLuthier]

56. Oh yeah, I recall all those times people wore Bush masks while the crowd shouted

Kill Whitey!!!.

Same thing, sure uh huh, yeah fucking right.

[HangOnKids]

58. According to the OP

The crowd would "where" Bush masks. I am not kidding, go reread the OP it is there. I agree with the rest of your post, EVERYONE remembers the KILL Whitey rodeos.

[Boom Sound 416]

60. so this is an example of what my point is

did anyone yell kill *%^)*& or anything remotely like that. or did they just cheer on a something that may or may not have been racist.

even if it was racist (which i'm not really arguing against) to throw this kind of argument out is just the kind of note that exacerbates a problem the level of noise. which is what happens so often in these situation and all that happens is the wound is cut a little deeper

[BainsBane]

139. If they had you'd be claiming that wasn't racist

[Boom Sound 416]

141. Rrrrriiigghhht

Next!

[tridim]

86. My friend's band in college was called "Kill Whitey"

I bet some Midwestern DU'ers remember them.

[Boom Sound 416]

93. What was the name of their album?

[tridim]

96. I don't even know if they had an album, maybe just singles?

They did have a video that played on MTV after changing their name to "Stick".

Getting all nostalgic here for my college days.

[JI7]

62. HAHAHAHHA

no surprise coming from you

[Boom Sound 416]

63. thanks for the compliment

[rl6214]

64. Just a clown

No different than any other presidents mask throughout the years.

[Kingofalldems]

67. Well Rush probably doesn't think it was racist.

The fact that another clown 'played with his lips' kinda seals the deal though. What a great thread!

Good for you.

[Boom Sound 416]

70. Cheers!

[HangOnKids]

73. Lots of Clowns In The Thread!

Nice to see you. Good win last night, today should be a good game as well!

[Kingofalldems]

87. Giants look like zombies out there. No energy.

[HangOnKids]

90. They are in a funk for sure!

My A's almost came back last night....but it should never have been that close. You guys get to see Timmy Jim tonight!

[Inkfreak]

68. I understand everyone's distaste for it.

But who fucking cares? As if this dipshit clown is anybody important. Just feeds the outrage machine for those that love outrage. That clown is a douchebag. Ban him & let's moooooove on.

Just my opinion

[jasond54231]

69. The clown is a racist piece of shite

And an unfunny one at that.

[meanit]

72. Seems to be racist.

With all of the overt and subtle racism that is out there about Obama, how could a "professional" rodeo clown wear something like that an expect not to cause an uproar, and instead just get innocent laughter over his act?

He knew the message that he was sending.

[Boom Sound 416]

76. he certainly had to assume some kind of backlash

but now that i think about it

if he was dumb enough to degrade the office the POTUS (if that's all it was) then i dont think he's the type to think ahead

[Rex]

77. Seriously? This is what you want your 15 minutes of fame to be over?

A racist clown?

[Boom Sound 416]

80. dare i ask

whose 15 mins

[BainsBane]

120. A one hit wonder?

[Rex]

128. I'll take that bet!

[BainsBane]

129. what's the over-under

1 hour, 2 days?

[Rex]

132. I don't know...I will probably lose this one.

Last time I was off by a week. OTOH, Zappaman was right on the money...but don't tell him he will just gloat.

[Mosby]

78. the clown is a racist POS

[tridim]

83. It's central Missouri, there is a real good chance he's racist, homophobic, and a complete moran.

[Boom Sound 416]

89. it might get a little batty out there

not spent much time outside of St Louis, but my more-than-me-progressive business partner who's from there says he's the black sheep in the family

[tridim]

91. KC and St. Louis are fine. Some say Columbia isn't too bad either.

There is a small city 20 miles east of KC and 20 miles west of the fairgrounds that still holds Klan meetings. It's scary driving through there with my Obama bumper stickers on display.

[gopiscrap]

94. I'd say a racist and a stupid fucker

and judging by the rodeo crowd he was playing to a bunch of ignorant assholes!

[kestrel91316]

95. Where the RW is concerned, I always assume racism until proven otherwise. And I'm white.

[KansDem]

97. He was playing to his audience...

The Number 1 rule for entertainers.

[Boom Sound 416]

98. Given your name

I'll give you that

[KansDem]

100. I live in one state and work in the other...

I've got the best of both worlds!

[Dawson Leery]

101. At a bare minimum, he was playing to his racist audience.

Which would be expected at a Rodeo.

[BainsBane]

102. You can't be serious?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

103. Bullshit. Even the head of the state Republican party, to his credit, admitted

that it was nothing but pure, unadulterated RACISM!!

He said that had it been a white president, there would be no need "to play with the lips".

Deny that shit all you want, but it's a fucking shame that so-called liberals or Democrats continue to deny the reality of race and racism in this country.

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!

[Boom Sound 416]

110. When I posted originally

I didn't know about the lips thing

Thanks for not reading any of the above posts and just ringing in with the !!!

That said there is something to the fact the "accomplice" received no punishment or admonishment

[BainsBane]

140. You didn't bother to read the newspaper before posting this

but you expect others to read 100 posts from someone who doesn't bother to familiarize himself with the basic facts of an event before posting an OP?

[oberliner]

107. "where a Bush mask"

Might want to check your homophones.

[Boom Sound 416]

111. It's a typo,

Thanks for having nothing better to do

[oberliner]

114. You can edit it

Just trying to help - no offense intended.

[Boom Sound 416]

115. Apologies

I never caught and no one mention it till my fan club president began chirping so I left it.

[Raven]

124. Ansolutely no question, it was racist. I can't

believe that you actually posed this question.

[Boom Sound 416]

126. It's a honest question and I thought worthy of a thread

There is a definitely a majority opinion, but lots if articulate ideas either way.

Don't get me wrong, the question is larger than the incident. I'm not trying to defend this clown (I just love saying "clown&quot

[theHandpuppet]

130. Oh, really.

Come now, don't be so coy.

[Boom Sound 416]

134. Read the thread

And get back to me

[lame54]

135. I think it's a fair question...

what was racists about it?

[proud2BlibKansan]

136. He was belittling Obama.

I don't think it really matters if it was racist or not. Or that this had been done to other presidents. It's infantile, disrespectful and in very poor taste. That should be enough of a reason to condemn the behavior.

[Boom Sound 416]

137. Agreed

My point is about using racism in a detrimental way (though I don't think I'm articulating that quite right)

[DCBob]

138. White middle America hates President Obama because..

he is a smart liberal black man and that he had succeeded without becoming like them.