McClatchy: Documents show NSA violated court orders on collection of phone records

[Newsjock]

Source: McClatchy Newspapers

National Security Agency officials violated secret federal court orders authorizing the daily collection of domestic email and telephone data from hundreds of millions of Americans, according to previously top-secret documents made public Wednesday by the Obama administration.

The documents didn’t disclose specific details of the violations. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on the programs after it learned of the violations until it was satisfied the NSA had revamped its procedures to conform to court requirements.

Several senior members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, when approached about the breaches, said they were aware of them but declined to answer questions about their nature. “I don’t know why you need to ask me,” said the panel’s chairwoman, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

A spokesman for Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., told McClatchy that Wyden, who is also a member of the Intelligence Committee, was referring to the violations in an interview he gave Tuesday to MSNBC. An outspoken critic of the NSA programs, Wyden said that the breaches involving telephone call data were “serious.”

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/31/198229/documents-show-nsa-violated-court.html

[AnotherMcIntosh]

1. There is no law that can contain the NSA. None can be passed that will do so.

[randome]

5. Or the IRS. Or the FBI. Or the CIA. Or the Coast Guard.

We run our society based on laws. Nothing prevents you from going outside right now and killing someone if you think you can get away with it.

But we have laws and regulations that try to keep that from happening.

As for what the court decided in this instance: that's what courts are for. They rein in LE nearly every day. And this still has nothing to do with S&G's stolen documents.
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[Fumesucker]

6. If you are a cop you can kill somone and almost certainly get away with it

The BART cop that shot the handcuffed, face down man in the back, killing him has been out of prison for years now.

That's what bothers a lot of us about this, to a far larger extent than is comfortable in a free country law enforcement is out of control. Why would anyone think the NSA is any different?

The cop that deliberately pepper sprayed young women for no reason in NYC lost ten days of vacation time I read just the other day.

[randome]

7. We sure as hell don't have consistency in justice or sentenc.ing. No argument there.

But we can't stop technology. All we can do is make its abuse as less likely as possible.

Carl Bernstein said it sounded to him as if the NSA has good safeguards and restrictions in place. I agree with that. Until I see evidence of illegality or abuse, I'm willing to continue with that supposition.

The alternative is to be very afraid all the time of what somebody, somewhere might do.
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[Fumesucker]

8. That's what the NSA spying is all about?

Being very afraid all the time of what somebody, somewhere *might* do?

Spooks are professional paranoids.

[randome]

9. You do know they do more than hunt for terrorists, right?

Child pornography rings are also part of their responsibilities. Human trafficking. They seem more like another arm of law enforcement than spies to me. I think the spying is left to the CIA. Admittedly, I am certain about little.

That's why I keep saying we should press for more transparency and less secrecy.
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[Octafish]

12. They must've missed Jerry Sandusky and Jimmy Savile, then.

Or else the people running the show were aware and chose to, uh, look away.

[randome]

16. Did you 'forget' that the NSA only targets foreign individuals?

[Octafish]

18. Really? That's odd, considering they harvest everything. Anyway, Jimmy Savile lived in London.

While imprisoned stateside, Jerry Sandusky still has a lot of friends. I'm sure it's less than a hop or two to London.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

13. Absolutely. More often than not, an out-of-control cop suffers nothing more than a temporary

suspension with pay. Just as an example, some of those involved in the Rodney King affair years ago were promoted to sergeants and other supervisor positions.

Also, there are many police departments who willingly hire and prefer to hire lateral transferees, no matter the reason for the lateral transfer, over new recruits with the expense of sending them to a police academy and paying them while doing so.

I don't know why the poster initiated a discussion about LEOs in this thread except as a diversion to the issue about the NSA. He even admitted the irrelevance of such statement to another topic which is also irrelevant. He said with respect to the courts, contrary to the common experience of many:

"They rein in LE nearly every day. And this still has nothing to do with S&G's stolen documents."

When NSA employees are out of control, there will be no recourse.

[99th_Monkey]

2. K&R eom

[Uncle Joe]

3. This will certainly not be the last nor the least of it either.

Thanks for the thread, Newsjock.

[Waiting For Everyman]

4. It's like pulling teeth with these jerks.

But I have no doubt that the rest of the story will come out eventually, so what is the point of all this denial?

It's clear why we needed a leaker to ever to get this story.

The NSA, and its cohorts in government, all act guilty as hell.

[Broward]

10. Thank you Edward Snowden

for getting the ball rolling.

[The Corrector]

11. Nobody violated anything since Obama became President

Remember, NSA officials decided to stop breaking the rules once Obama became President, because Obama likes to look backward and prosecute violators.

[MotherPetrie]

14. K&R. More proof NSA is above the law --and the Obama administration will keep it that way while

leaving no stone overturned in going after whistle blowers.

[ProSense]

15. Bogus headline

"Documents Show NSA Violated Court Orders"

I mean, the second paragraph contradicts it with a vague claim.

The documents didn’t disclose specific details of the violations. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on the programs after it learned of the violations until it was satisfied the NSA had revamped its procedures to conform to court requirements.

Fom the 2009 release:



http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/2009_CoverLetter_Report_Collection.pdf

All documents: http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/908-dni-clapper-declassifies-and-releases-telephone-metadata-collection-documents

[cthulu2016]

19. Bogus analysis ^ ^ ^

If you don't know what "contradicts" means you ought not use the word.

"Documents Show NSA Violated Court Orders"

I mean, the second paragraph contradicts it with a vague claim.

The documents didn’t disclose specific details of the violations. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on the programs after it learned of the violations until it was satisfied the NSA had revamped its procedures to conform to court requirements.

In case the deceptive nature of your phony complaint is not plain enough... let's try it with dogs.

Bogus headline

"Documents Show Joe Smith had a Dog"

I mean, the second paragraph contradicts it with a vague claim.

The documents didn’t disclose the breed of the dog. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on Joe Smith after it learned of the dog until it was satisfied Joe Smith had gotten rid of the dog.

[WillyT]

17. K & R !!!

[frylock]

20. knr